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Secret Squirrel
10-01-2006, 10:51 AM
On May 22, 2006, President Bush spoke in Chicago and gave a characteristically upbeat forecast: "Years from now, people will look back on the formation of a unity government in Iraq as a decisive moment in the story of liberty, a moment when freedom gained a firm foothold in the Middle East and the forces of terror began their long retreat."

Two days later, the intelligence division of the Joint Chiefs of Staff circulated a secret intelligence assessment to the White House that contradicted the president's forecast.

Instead of a "long retreat," the report forecast a more violent 2007: "Insurgents and terrorists retain the resources and capabilities to sustain and even increase current level of violence through the next year."

A graph included in the assessment measured attacks from May 2003 to May 2006. It showed some significant dips, but the current number of attacks against U.S.-led coalition forces and Iraqi authorities was as high as it had ever been -- exceeding 3,500 a month. [In July the number would be over 4,500.] The assessment also included a pessimistic report on crude oil production, the delivery of electricity and political progress.

On May 26, the Pentagon released an unclassified report to Congress, required by law, that contradicted the Joint Chiefs' secret assessment. The public report sent to Congress said the "appeal and motivation for continued violent action will begin to wane in early 2007."

There was a vast difference between what the White House and Pentagon knew about the situation in Iraq and what they were saying publicly. But the discrepancy was not surprising. In memos, reports and internal debates, high-level officials of the Bush administration have voiced their concern about the United States' ability to bring peace and stability to Iraq since early in the occupation.

'Three tragic decisions'
On June 18, 2003, Jay Garner went to see Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to report on his brief tenure in Iraq as head of the postwar planning office. Throughout the invasion and the early days of the war, Garner, a retired Army lieutenant general, had struggled just to get his team into Iraq. Two days after he arrived, Rumsfeld called to tell him that L. Paul "Jerry" Bremer, a 61-year-old terrorism expert and protege of Henry A. Kissinger, would be coming over as the presidential envoy, effectively replacing Garner.

"We've made three tragic decisions," Garner told Rumsfeld.

"Really?" Rumsfeld asked.

"Three terrible mistakes," Garner said.

He cited the first two orders Bremer signed when he arrived, the first one banning as many as 50,000 members of Saddam Hussein's Baath Party from government jobs and the second disbanding the Iraqi military. Now there were hundreds of thousands of disorganized, unemployed, armed Iraqis running around.

Third, Garner said, Bremer had summarily dismissed an interim Iraqi leadership group that had been eager to help the United States administer the country in the short term. "Jerry Bremer can't be the face of the government to the Iraqi people. You've got to have an Iraqi face for the Iraqi people."

Garner made his final point: "There's still time to rectify this. There's still time to turn it around."

Rumsfeld looked at Garner for a moment with his take-no-prisoners gaze. "Well," he said, "I don't think there is anything we can do, because we are where we are."

He thinks I've lost it, Garner thought. He thinks I'm absolutely wrong. Garner didn't want it to sound like sour grapes, but facts were facts. "They're all reversible," Garner said again.

"We're not going to go back," Rumsfeld said emphatically.

Later that day, Garner went with Rumsfeld to the White House. But in a meeting with Bush, he made no mention of mistakes. Instead he regaled the president with stories from his time in Baghdad.

In an interview last December, I asked Garner if he had any regrets in not telling the president about his misgivings.

"You know, I don't know if I had that moment to live over again, I don't know if I'd do that or not. But if I had done that -- and quite frankly, I mean, I wouldn't have had a problem doing that -- but in my thinking, the door's closed. I mean, there's nothing I can do to open this door again. And I think if I had said that to the president in front of Cheney and Condoleezza Rice and Rumsfeld in there, the president would have looked at them and they would have rolled their eyes back and he would have thought, 'Boy, I wonder why we didn't get rid of this guy sooner?' "

"They didn't see it coming," Garner added. "As the troops said, they drank the Kool-Aid."

What's the strategy?
In the fall of 2003 and the winter of 2004, officials of the National Security Council became increasingly concerned about the ability of the U.S. military to counter the growing insurgency in Iraq.

Returning from a visit to Iraq, Robert D. Blackwill, the NSC's top official for Iraq, was deeply disturbed by what he considered the inadequate number of troops on the ground there. He told Rice and Stephen J. Hadley, her deputy, that the NSC needed to do a military review.

"If we have a military strategy, I can't identify it," Hadley said. "I don't know what's worse -- that they have one and won't tell us or that they don't have one."

Rice had made it clear that her authority did not extend to Rumsfeld or the military, so Blackwill never forced the issue with her. Still, he wondered why the president never challenged the military. Why didn't he say to Gen. John P. Abizaid at the end of one of his secure video briefings, "John, let's have another of these on Thursday and what I really want from you is please explain to me, let's take an hour and a half, your military strategy for victory."

After Bush's reelection, Hadley replaced Rice as national security adviser. He made an assessment of the problems from the first term.

"I give us a B-minus for policy development," he told a colleague on Feb. 5, 2005, "and a D-minus for policy execution."

Rice, for her part, hired Philip D. Zelikow, an old friend, and sent him immediately to Iraq. She needed ground truth, a full, detailed report from someone she trusted. Zelikow had a license to go anywhere and ask any question.

On Feb. 10, 2005, two weeks after Rice became secretary of state, Zelikow presented her with a 15-page, single-spaced secret memo. "At this point Iraq remains a failed state shadowed by constant violence and undergoing revolutionary political change," Zelikow wrote.

The insurgency was "being contained militarily," but it was "quite active," leaving Iraqi civilians feeling "very insecure," Zelikow said.

U.S. officials seemed locked down in the fortified Green Zone. "Mobility of coalition officials is extremely limited, and productive government activity is constrained."

Zelikow criticized the Baghdad-centered effort, noting that "the war can certainly be lost in Baghdad, but the war can only be won in the cities and provinces outside Baghdad."

In sum, he said, the United States' effort suffered because it lacked an articulated, comprehensive, unified policy.

Lessons from Kissinger
A powerful, largely invisible influence on Bush's Iraq policy was former secretary of state Kissinger.

"Of the outside people that I talk to in this job," Vice President Cheney told me in the summer of 2005, "I probably talk to Henry Kissinger more than I talk to anybody else. He just comes by and, I guess at least once a month, Scooter [his then-chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby] and I sit down with him."

The president also met privately with Kissinger every couple of months, making him the most regular and frequent outside adviser to Bush on foreign affairs.

Kissinger sensed wobbliness everywhere on Iraq, and he increasingly saw it through the prism of the Vietnam War. For Kissinger, the overriding lesson of Vietnam is to stick it out.

In his writing, speeches and private comments, Kissinger claimed that the United States had essentially won the war in 1972, only to lose it because of the weakened resolve of the public and Congress.

In a column in The Washington Post on Aug. 12, 2005, titled "Lessons for an Exit Strategy," Kissinger wrote, "Victory over the insurgency is the only meaningful exit strategy."

He delivered the same message directly to Bush, Cheney and Hadley at the White House.

Victory had to be the goal, he told all. Don't let it happen again. Don't give an inch, or else the media, the Congress and the American culture of avoiding hardship will walk you back.

He also said that the eventual outcome in Iraq was more important than Vietnam had been. A radical Islamic or Taliban-style government in Iraq would be a model that could challenge the internal stability of the key countries in the Middle East and elsewhere.

Kissinger told Rice that in Vietnam they didn't have the time, focus, energy or support at home to get the politics in place. That's why it had collapsed like a house of cards. He urged that the Bush administration get the politics right, both in Iraq and on the home front. Partially withdrawing troops had its own dangers. Even entertaining the idea of withdrawing any troops could create momentum for an exit that was less than victory.

In a meeting with presidential speechwriter Michael Gerson in early September 2005, Kissinger was more explicit: Bush needed to resist the pressure to withdraw American troops. He repeated his axiom that the only meaningful exit strategy was victory.

"The president can't be talking about troop reductions as a centerpiece," Kissinger said. "You may want to reduce troops," but troop reduction should not be the objective. "This is not where you put the emphasis."

To emphasize his point, he gave Gerson a copy of a memo he had written to President Richard M. Nixon, dated Sept. 10, 1969.

"Withdrawal of U.S. troops will become like salted peanuts to the American public; the more U.S. troops come home, the more will be demanded," he wrote.

The policy of "Vietnamization," turning the fight over to the South Vietnamese military, Kissinger wrote, might increase pressure to end the war because the American public wanted a quick resolution. Troop withdrawals would only encourage the enemy. "It will become harder and harder to maintain the morale of those who remain, not to speak of their mothers."

Two months after Gerson's meeting, the administration issued a 35-page "National Strategy for Victory in Iraq." It was right out of the Kissinger playbook. The only meaningful exit strategy would be victory.

Echoes of Vietnam
Vietnam was also on the minds of some old Army buddies of Gen. Abizaid, the Centcom commander. They were worried that Iraq was slowly turning into Vietnam -- either it would wind down prematurely or become a war that was not winnable.

Some of them, including retired Gen. Wayne A. Downing and James V. Kimsey, a founder of America Online, visited Abizaid in 2005 at his headquarters in Doha, Qatar, and then in Iraq.

Abizaid held to the position that the war was now about the Iraqis. They had to win it now. The U.S. military had done all it could. It was critical, he argued, that they lower the American troop presence. It was still the face of an occupation, with American forces patrolling, kicking down doors and looking at the Iraqi women, which infuriated the Iraqi men.

"We've got to get the [expletive] out," he said.

Abizaid's old friends were worried sick that another Vietnam or anything that looked like Vietnam would be the end of the volunteer army. What's the strategy for winning? they pressed him.

"That's not my job," Abizaid said.

No, it is part of your job, they insisted.

No, Abizaid said. Articulating strategy belonged to others.

Who?

"The president and Condi Rice, because Rumsfeld doesn't have any credibility anymore," he said.

This March, Abizaid was in Washington to testify before the Senate Armed Services Committee. He painted a careful but upbeat picture of the situation in Iraq.

Afterward, he went over to see Rep. John P. Murtha in the Rayburn House Office Building. Murtha, a Pennsylvania Democrat, had introduced a resolution in Congress calling for American troops in Iraq to be "redeployed" -- the military term for returning troops overseas to their home bases -- "at the earliest practicable date."

"The war in Iraq is not going as advertised," Murtha had said. "It is a flawed policy wrapped in illusion."

Now, sitting at the round dark-wood table in the congressman's office, Abizaid, the one uniformed military commander who had been intimately involved in Iraq from the beginning and who was still at it, indicated he wanted to speak frankly. According to Murtha, Abizaid raised his hand for emphasis, held his thumb and forefinger a quarter of an inch from each other and said, "We're that far apart."

Frustration and a resignation
That same month, White House Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card Jr. prepared to leave the administration after submitting his resignation to Bush. He felt a sense of relief mixed with the knowledge that he was leaving unfinished business.

"It's Iraq, Iraq, Iraq," Card had told his replacement, Joshua B. Bolten. "Then comes the economy."

One of Card's great worries was that Iraq would be compared to Vietnam. In March, there were 58,249 names on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington. One of Kissinger's private criticisms of Bush was that he had no mechanism in place, or even an inclination, to consider the downsides of impending decisions. Alternative courses of action were rarely considered.

As best as Card could remember, there had been some informal, blue-sky discussions at times along the lines of "What could we do differently?" But there had been no formal sessions to consider alternatives to staying in Iraq. To his knowledge there were no anguished memos bearing the names of Cheney, Rice, Hadley, Rumsfeld, the CIA, Card himself or anyone else saying "Let's examine alternatives," as had surfaced after the Vietnam era.

Card put it on the generals in the Pentagon and Iraq. If they had come forward and said to the president, "It's not worth it," or, "The mission can't be accomplished," Card was certain, the president would have said "I'm not going to ask another kid to sacrifice for it."

Card was enough of a realist to see that there were two negative aspects to Bush's public persona that had come to define his presidency: incompetence and arrogance. Card did not believe that Bush was incompetent, and so he had to face the possibility that, as Bush's chief of staff, he might have been the incompetent one. In addition, he did not think the president was arrogant.

But the marketing of Bush had come across as arrogant. Maybe it was unfair in Card's opinion, but there it was.

He was leaving. And the man he considered most responsible for the postwar troubles, the one who should have gone, Rumsfeld, was staying.

link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15082270/page/2/)
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Gibby
10-01-2006, 04:14 PM
You know in my expierence the higher the rank the more ability youd have to look beyond simple political lines. The young guys, privates etc, generally praised this admin. cause they got the chance, quite litterally, to blow stuff up. The guys who had to lead those young men and were expected to do quite alot with very little didnt.

The mistakes are clearly visible. Its up to each person to be honest with themselves about whether they choose to see them. Of course when its written in the media its easy to simply lable the source whatever you want.

2Sheds_Jackson
10-01-2006, 06:31 PM
Has there ever been an administration, during any war, that tried to present the worst possible picture of a war's progress? Obviously, the answer is no. Therefore I fail to see why we would expect this one to.

Violet Fashion by Mindy
10-01-2006, 06:35 PM
Has there ever been an administration, during any war, that tried to present the worst possible picture of a war's progress? Obviously, the answer is no. Therefore I fail to see why we would expect this one to.


Yes

Australia from 7th of December to the end of the war in the Pacific in WW2. Even after we kicked the Japanese out of Papua the propanda campaign on how we were cut off from the Allies aydda yadda yadda. Just so the government could introduce conscription and harsher austerity measure.

2Sheds_Jackson
10-01-2006, 09:56 PM
Yes

Australia from 7th of December to the end of the war in the Pacific in WW2. Even after we kicked the Japanese out of Papua the propanda campaign on how we were cut off from the Allies aydda yadda yadda. Just so the government could introduce conscription and harsher austerity measure.

That's very interesting. Maybe I phrased my question wrong. That would seem to be shoring up the need to go to war in the first place. I think most everybody does that to some extent. I'm talking about telling the people that our planners don't know what they're doing, that our leader is a criminal, that the war is illegal, leaking cherry-picked classified reports (that only support one view) - all designed to show that we can't win. I'm guessing that Australia was smart enough not to do that once their troops were deployed.

Violet Fashion by Mindy
10-01-2006, 10:11 PM
Actually the propanda machine said we were cut off and were fighting Japan "alone"

Conviently ignored how bad the situation really was. But made the situation look dire when we were winning.

Hollis
10-01-2006, 10:45 PM
wow more secret reports....... I did not realize I was so privy to state secrets.

I wonder what do they mean by secret.

2Sheds_Jackson
10-02-2006, 12:08 PM
Actually the propanda machine said we were cut off and were fighting Japan "alone"

Conviently ignored how bad the situation really was. But made the situation look dire when we were winning.

Hmm. I think maybe what I should have said was that I think it's foolish to expect a government at war to issue official statements that contradict the strategy they are trying to pursue. Even the best wars go badly, and people die in large numbers. It's a long road to victory, and if we're going to slam on the brakes at every opportunity to reevaluate, we will never make it down that road.

Atlantic Friend
10-02-2006, 12:10 PM
Has there ever been an administration, during any war, that tried to present the worst possible picture of a war's progress? Obviously, the answer is no. Therefore I fail to see why we would expect this one to.

Churchill's words about "I have nothing to promise but blood, sweat and tears" do come to mind...

Superking
10-02-2006, 12:20 PM
wow more secret reports....... I did not realize I was so privy to state secrets.

I wonder what do they mean by secret.

X2, has any previous administration had so much sabotage against it?

Also, do papers pay for this? or are the privvy leakers just against the administration?

ed316
10-02-2006, 12:25 PM
the smell of election is in the air.

XShipRider
10-02-2006, 12:33 PM
wow more secret reports....... I did not realize I was so privy to state secrets.

I wonder what do they mean by secret.

In the US we have only two kinds of SECRET reports; 1) those that
haven't been "leaked" (read: compromised at the cost of national
security), and 2) those that have been.

Unfortunately, there's no honor or integrity in some people.

Gibby
10-02-2006, 01:05 PM
If the leaks come from people in your own party, what does that tell you?

Yes war isnt perfect, but anybody should be able to see the obvious mistakes that have been made. Mistakes that this administration continue to fail to rectify and continue to act as if they never happened. Its a classic case of the 800lb gorrilla in the room.

Again it comes down to each persons ability to look beyond which side of the political line they fall on. Just as its ok to criticize your local sports team, its also ok to criticize your goverment. Infact, that needs to be done in this case. People just take things too personally, as if they themselves are under attack.

Nobody has debated on this forum that what was written is not correct. You are simply debating whether or not it should be in public view. Thats kind of silly really. Again nobodys attacking you, just this admins decisions.

bugkill
10-02-2006, 01:40 PM
you know, i'm still trying to remember when bush said that is iraq is a great place to live or vacation. all i ever him say is that we still have a long difficult road ahead of us in iraq. he is the goddamn commander in chief, why would he have to get on TV and state that our mission in iraq is a failure when we are still in the middle of operations. i have not heard the president give a rosey report on iraq. he only talks about not quitting in our support of the iraqi government. when he says "stay the course", it only means that we need to stay and help the iraqis stabilize the country, but he gets eaten alive for just saying that.

the president's critics are trying to say that iraq is a failure when they make these statements and it just does not make any sense. the american people already know that there is trouble in iraq, so what is this article trying to prove? every night we are shown about violence in iraq and nothing else. we don't hear nothing about what the soldiers have accomplished in helping build the country, we only hear about their deaths or bombings.

we are still in the middle of operations in an ongoing counter-insurgency. why discuss the obvious? why make a big deal about the president not being the one leading the chant of "iraq has troubles!"? he understands the difficulties in iraq, but that does not mean he should let our enemies see him sweat like the other idiots do in this country.

2Sheds_Jackson
10-02-2006, 01:41 PM
If the leaks come from people in your own party, what does that tell you?

Yes war isn't perfect, but anybody should be able to see the obvious mistakes that have been made. Mistakes that this administration continue to fail to rectify and continue to act as if they never happened. Its a classic case of the 800lb gorrilla in the room.

Again it comes down to each persons ability to look beyond which side of the political line they fall on. Just as its ok to criticize your local sports team, its also ok to criticize your goverment. Infact, that needs to be done in this case. People just take things too personally, as if they themselves are under attack.

Nobody has debated on this forum that what was written is not correct. You are simply debating whether or not it should be in public view. Thats kind of silly really. Again nobodys attacking you, just this admins decisions.

Well that's a good post, but I don't agree.

Many of the leaks have come from within the administration - from people who oppose, not support the President.

Gov't agencies are comprised of career gov't employees of every political leaning. You have people who are 100% in line with the President, you have people who hate him. But they all show up for work every day at CIA, FBI, NSA, State etc. and are supposed to be following the rules.

State has always been at odds with the Pres, who tends to fall on the CIA side. And State was the one who set up the entire Wilson/Plame clusterf*ck from the get-go.

Everybody gives their input to the admin. so that the administration can formulate a policy. When things don't go as they recommend - it is not for them to then break the law and leak classified information. It's crazy to assume that in prior wars, that there has been monolithic support for whatever course we took. Of course people have always disagreed violently - but the difference is that we once understood what it took to win, and were willing to do it. Part of what it takes is running roughshod over the way we normally do business in peacetime, IMHO. Laws and policies are specially written to allow to government to operate a bit differently during war for exactly that reason. This is not some theoretical debate we're engaged in, people's lives are at stake. Our forefathers understood this.

The administration gets to set policy, plain and simple. They follow the rules, use our processes, and they lead the nation. Unfortunately, we have those who are unwilling to follow the rules, and who will use any kind of subterfuge along with their willing accomplices in the media, to effect a change of course outside normal channels. This guarantees a political stalemate, and that our troops are hung out to dry.

Nobody is saying you can't criticize the gov't - of course you can. But that's not the same as leaking classified documents as a means of effecting change. That's breaking the law. Mistakes happen in every war, and if we had similarly crippled ourselves with this partisan infighting in every war, we'd probably all be speaking German by now :)

XShipRider
10-02-2006, 05:06 PM
You are simply debating whether or not it should be in public view.

As a communicator for 17 of 22 years SECRET material (and higher) was
dealt with on an almost daily basis. I had to peruse thousands of messages
throughout those years. Public exposition of those messages was not
an option for me regardless of content. That's the point.


Regarding the word "secret"
7.(of information, a document, etc.)
a. bearing the classification secret
b. limited to persons authorized to use information documents, etc., so classified

Apparently to those who have never had to deal with classified info
this is some sort of semantic argument over political embarrassment
rather than national security.

Every time these type messages, memos, etc., are exposed to public
view our servicemembers pay the price in blood. If Al Qaeda is
emboldened by these "leaks" then our soldiers have to fight that much
harder and longer to defeat them.

Hollis
10-02-2006, 05:16 PM
Xship, I wonder if these so-called "secret" memos, etc are actually just false advertisement.

Like a letter in the mail that Says," You have won $1,000,000", see inside.

I guess people buy into those letters, just like people buy into these "SECRET" documents.


BTW, I just classified this post as secret. rofl