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annihilation
10-01-2006, 11:00 AM
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Shirley offers fix for bad parenting
Sterilize irresponsible moms, dads, he says

BY BRIAN HICKS
The Post and Courier
Charleston City Councilman Larry Shirley says the robbery of a downtown video store - allegedly by a band of kids, including one too young to be charged - is a sure sign society has gone awry, and it's time to start a "dialogue."
And one of the things he says needs to be talked about is whether bad parents should be sterilized.
"What we've got is a failure in society, whether it's in Mount Pleasant with yuppie parents or whether it's on the East Side with poor crackhead parents," Shirley said Friday. "We pick up stray animals and spay them. These mothers need to be spayed if they can't take care of theirs. ... Once they have a child and it's running the streets, to let them continue to have children is totally unacceptable." Deadbeat dads might ought to be sterilized as well, he said.
Wednesday night, police arrested a 14-year-old girl and 12-year-old boy in connection with a stickup at the Hollywood Video at East Bay and Calhoun streets.
A 9-year-old who was apparently involved was taken home to his mother by police, saying he was too young to charge.
Shirley, like many in the community, was aghast that someone could be turned loose for being too young to be charged with a crime, and that the parents of these kids had no idea what they were up to at 9 p.m. on a school night.
"It is a tragedy to bring a child into this world and subject them to the world in that video," Shirley said, referring to a DVD found by police earlier this year that featured local residents flashing guns and drugs to the beat of gangsta rap.
If a child is too young to do time for a crime, his folks ought to do it, Shirley said.
This, Shirley says, is not about race. He said that the only difference between the East Side holdup and the Wando High School students who were charged with a string of robberies is that "Mount Pleasant parents have the money to get lawyers for their thugs."
State Sen. Robert Ford, D-Charleston, says Shirley is correct, that this is a societal problem, but that the notion of sterilizing people is just "crazy."
"What Larry Shirley needs to talk about is getting City Council to provide some recreational facilities and activities for these kids and creating an atmosphere conducive to a normal society," said Ford, a former councilman.
"We've got all sorts of things for kids to do in my neighborhood in West Ashley. They need that downtown. But he's upset that kids aren't listening to their parents. So what's new?"
Charleston police have made no new arrests in the video store robbery, and the kids detained for the holdup face a hearing Monday morning.
Police said Friday that it's up to the Solicitor's Office whether to call in social workers to investigate the home life of the 9-year-old sent home after the robbery.
Shirley said sometimes social services is part of the problem, making parents afraid to whip their kids when they need it. Ford says that's the way it is supposed to work.
"Hasn't he heard, 'It takes a village'?"
Contact Brian Hicks at 937-5561 or bhicks@postandcourier.com

annihilation
10-01-2006, 11:01 AM
I kinda agree on this. Some people shouldn't have children.

Pandy
10-01-2006, 12:19 PM
I remember when punishment for a child (including myself) was getting my ass beat for doing something that STUPID. Now that it's against the law, how the hell we gonna to punish our kids? Timeouts longer then 5 minutes are now against the law. BAH!

annihilation
10-01-2006, 01:01 PM
When i have a child, I plan to buy a shovel and a pick ax. When he screws up I will have him dig me a ditch from sunrise to sunset when he is not in school. If figure if he is anything like me, I should have an olympic size pool from his 18th birthday.

Gibby
10-01-2006, 04:10 PM
I remember when punishment for a child (including myself) was getting my ass beat for doing something that STUPID. Now that it's against the law, how the hell we gonna to punish our kids? Timeouts longer then 5 minutes are now against the law. BAH!

Yeah but there is something fundementally wrong with our society that a crack in the face wont fix.

XShipRider
10-01-2006, 09:03 PM
If a child is too young to do time for a crime, his folks ought to do it, Shirley said.
I thought the parents could be held responsible. Am I wrong?

Or is this another example of "society has failed the parents thus the
kids" baloney?

I know my parents were stung once when I put out a street light as a
kid. They paid for it. So did my keister when my dad put his belt
to it. If that had happened today Social Services/Child Protective
Services would yank me out of the house, throwing me into the hell
of foster homes. My dad would do time. I'd be on drugs and robbing
grocery stores to pay for my habits. As it turned out, I never threw
rocks at the street lights again. When I finally got off grounding I had
to mow lawns to pay my parents back. Lesson learned.

P.S. My dad wasn't Ward Cleaver but he knew discipline and how
to mete out punishment judiciously.

Riot5
10-01-2006, 09:33 PM
When I was younger (It doesn't work now) If I ever did something really bad, my dad would whip me with his belt. It worked, I never did what I was whipped for again, and I'm better for it.
I also understand going too far, like beating the **** out of your kids.
This did not happen to me. I believe that every parent should physically punish their kids when they screw up. They'll catch on real quick.

Bulabash
10-02-2006, 02:29 AM
hm sterilising people is not the solution, educating them is, but that seems so hard apparently.

hardpresident
10-02-2006, 06:22 AM
When i saw the title i thought of Shirley Temple.

Pandy
10-02-2006, 07:09 AM
Yeah but there is something fundementally wrong with our society that a crack in the face wont fix.

No, not a crack to the face. No, getting your ASS BEAT. You know, baseball bat, large blunt object, car... whatever to drill the point in.

2Sheds_Jackson
10-02-2006, 12:59 PM
I'm afraid that the "fix" for the problem is something that our society is no longer willing to consider. That is, actually raising the children you produce. We've always had the poor, who produce children they can't properly care for - but what's new is the fact that even many of our upper-middle class and wealthy families seem to view children as just one more of their possessions that can be left unattended while they go golfing.