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shocker1
10-02-2006, 06:38 PM
Traitors to the Enlightenment
Europe turns its back on Socrates, Locke, et al.
By Victor Davis Hanson
The first Western Enlightenment of the Greek fifth-century B.C. sought to explain natural phenomena through reason rather than superstition alone. Ethics were to be discussed in the realm of logic as well as religion. Much of what Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, and the Sophists thought may today seem self-evident, if not at times nonsensical. But that century was the beginning of the uniquely Western attempt to bring to the human experience empiricism, self-criticism, irony, and tolerance in thinking.

The second European Enlightenment of the late 18th century followed from the earlier spirit of the Renaissance. For all the excesses and arrogance in its thinking that pure reason might itself dethrone religion — as if science could explain all the mysteries of the human condition — the Enlightenment nevertheless established the Western blueprint for a humane and ordered society.

But now all that hard-won effort of some 2,500 years is at risk. The new enemies of Reason are not the enraged democrats who executed Socrates, the Christian zealots who persecuted philosophers of heliocentricity, or the Nazis who burned books. No, they are a pampered and scared Western public that caves to barbarism — dwarves who sit on the shoulders of dead giants, and believe that their present exalted position is somehow related to their own cowardly sense of accommodation.

What would a Socrates, Galileo, Descartes, or Locke believe of the present decay in Europe — that all their bold and courageous thinking, won at such a great cost, would have devolved into such cheap surrender to fanaticism?

Just think: Put on an opera in today’s Germany, and have it shut down, not by Nazis, Communists, or kings, but by the simple fear of Islamic fanatics.

Write a novel deemed critical of the Prophet Mohammed, as did Salman Rushdie, and face years of ostracism and death threats — in the heart of Europe no less.

Compose a film, as did Theo Van Gogh, and find your throat cut in “liberal” Holland.

Or better yet, sketch a cartoon in postmodern Denmark, and then go into hiding.

Quote an ancient treatise, as did the pope, and learn your entire Church may come under assault, and the magnificent stones of the Vatican offer no refuge.

There are three lessons to be drawn from these examples. In almost every case, the criticism of the artist or intellectual was based either on his supposed lack of sensitivity or of artistic excellence. Van Gogh was, of course, obnoxious and his films puerile. The pope was woefully ignorant of public relations. The cartoons in Denmark were amateurish and unnecessary. Rushdie was an overrated novelist, whose chickens of trashing the West he sought refuge in finally came home to roost. The latest Hans Neuenfels adaptation of Mozart’s Idomeneo was silly.
But isn’t that precisely the point? It is easy to defend artists when they produce works of genius that do not offend popular sensibilities — Da Vinci’s Mona Lisa or Montesquieu’s Spirit of the Laws — but not so when an artist offends with neither taste nor talent. Yes, Pope Benedict is old and scholastic; he lacks both the smile and tact of the late Pope John Paul II, who surely would not have turned for elucidation to the rigidity of Byzantine scholarship. But isn’t that why we must come to the present Pope’s defense — if for no reason other than because he has the courage to speak his convictions when others might not?

Note also the constant subtext in this new self-censorship: fear of radical Islam and its gruesome appendages of beheadings, suicide bombings, improvised explosive devices, barbaric fatwas, riotous youth, petrodollar-acquired nuclear weapons, oil boycotts and price hikes, and fist-chanting mobs.

In contrast, almost daily in Europe, “brave” artists caricature Christians and Americans with impunity. Why?
For a long list of reasons, among them most surely the assurance that they can do this without being killed. Such cowards puff out their chests when trashing an ill Oriana Fallaci or Ariel Sharon or beleaguered George W. Bush in the most demonic of tones, but prove sunken and sullen when threatened by a Dr Zawahri or a grand mufti of some obscure mosque.
Second, almost every genre of artistic and intellectual expression has come under assault: music, satire, the novel, films, academic exegesis. Somehow Europeans have ever-so-insidiously given up the promise of the Enlightenment that welcomed free thought of all kinds, the more provocative the better.

So the present generation of Europeans really is heretical, made up of traitors of a sort, since they themselves, not just their consensual governments or some invader across the Mediterranean, have nearly destroyed their won freedoms of expression — out of worries over oil, or appearing as illiberal apostates of the new secular religion of multiculturalism, or another London or Madrid bombing.

Europe boldly produces films about assassinating an American president, and routinely disparages the Church that gave the world the Sermon of the Mount, but it simply won’t stand up for an artist, a well-meaning Pope, or a ranting filmmaker when the mob closes in. The Europe that believes in everything turns out to believe in nothing.

Third, examine why all these incidents took place in Europe. Since 2000 it has been the habit of blue-state politicians to rebuke the yokels of America, in part by showing us a supposedly more humane Western future unfolding in Europe. It was the European Union that was at the forefront of mass transit; the EU that advanced Kyoto and the International Criminal Court. And it was the heralded EU that sought “soft” power rather than the Neanderthal resort to arms.

And what have we learned in the last five years from its boutique socialism, utopian pacifism, moral equivalence, and cultural relativism? That it was logical that Europe most readily would abandon the artist and give up the renegade in fear of religious extremists.
Those in an auto parts store in Fresno, or at a NASCAR race in southern Ohio, might appear to Europeans as primordials with their guns, “fundamentalist” religion, and flag-waving chauvinism. But it is they, and increasingly their kind alone, who prove the bulwarks of the West. Ultimately what keeps even the pope safe and the continent confident in its vain dialogues with Iranian lunatics is the United States military and the very un-Europeans who fight in it.

We may be only 30 years behind Europe, but we are not quite there yet. And so Europe has done us a great favor in showing us not the way of the future, but the old cowardice of our pre-Enlightenment past.

— Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. He is the author, most recently, of A War Like No Other. How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War.







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Kaapeli
10-02-2006, 06:42 PM
Aaaaaand?

I keep reading what's wrong but not a single answer to it from these fearmongers.

2Sheds_Jackson
10-02-2006, 07:14 PM
Aaaaaand?

I keep reading what's wrong but not a single answer to it from these fearmongers.

I'd have to call some of them realitymongers. And if reality causes fear, well, then maybe it is time to take stock and do something about it. Lots of people have come up with solutions - normally they get shouted down or name-called. Because action requires courage, and well, the article is basically saying that it's in short supply.


No, they are a pampered and scared Western public that caves to barbarism — dwarves who sit on the shoulders of dead giants, and believe that their present exalted position is somehow related to their own cowardly sense of accommodation.

Holy crap that's good stuff. Even if it's a bit over the top, and one may not agree with it's exposition...that's just some tasty literary work right there.

Kaapeli
10-02-2006, 07:22 PM
I'd have to call some of them realitymongers. And if reality causes fear, well, then maybe it is time to take stock and do something about it. Lots of people have come up with solutions - normally they get shouted down or name-called. Because action requires courage, and well, the article is basically saying that it's in short supply.

I must have missed those (unless you meant the neonazi "send the non-aryans back to Africa!", I've heard those allright).
So let's hear them now.

2Sheds_Jackson
10-02-2006, 07:54 PM
I must have missed those (unless you meant the neonazi "send the non-aryans back to Africa!", I've heard those allright).
So let's hear them now.

Well if you'd like me to sit here and basically recap the last 4 years of European immigration reform initiatives, deportation criteria, changes to extradition procedures, development of aggressive naturalization programs, and the explosion of anti-jihadist dialog occurring in Europe...well I'm kinda busy at the moment, but there's always google.

Dasein
10-02-2006, 08:15 PM
VD Hanson focuses on one or two examples, which are the exception, not the rule. Free expression is alive and well in Europe, and 'The West' is strong. Van Gogh's murder or the Islamic response to the Dutch cartoons is not a fault with the west, it is a fault with Islam's reaction to the West.

Hanson also ignores the cultural forces at work in AMerica that threaten 'The West'. how often are school reading lists or curriculum altered because of pressure from Christians? Where is the venom for the school boards that vote to give creationism any standing as science in the classroom? Where are the accusations of treason for the schools that pull books with 'offensive' themes?

artistoli
10-02-2006, 08:53 PM
I'm an artist and I'm British and I make a point of insulting Islam quite deliberately at every available opportunity. Not because I like insulting people but because I am not stupid and realise that Islam is the biggest threat to the arts that has ever existed.

I dream of a world full of colour, vibrancy, genuine tolerance, trade, invention, love and all the rest of that almost hippy sounding stuff; but I realise that the time has come when we must fight for that; not with our placards and street protests, but by taking up arms and supporting our armed forces. If we leave it any longer it will be too late.

Wake up and smell the buring books.

If this is too politically incorrect then BITE ME!

C.MAXIMUS
10-02-2006, 09:00 PM
It is true that people are scared, who would like to have their throat sliced and a note attached to your body with a knife ?? Islamic terrorism is alive and kicking... good police work, deportation, tough sentencing and education are essentials ... if it will go away I have no idea... tough nut to crack. We as well have to stand our ground, press and arts are already self censoring ... Blair gets so much heat for doing the little he is doing he even lost his job .... what is next ?? covering our girlfriends and wives not to "insult" them ?? We have to make a stand now. p-)

2Sheds_Jackson
10-02-2006, 09:14 PM
Hanson also ignores the cultural forces at work in AMerica that threaten 'The West'. how often are school reading lists or curriculum altered because of pressure from Christians? Where is the venom for the school boards that vote to give creationism any standing as science in the classroom? Where are the accusations of treason for the schools that pull books with 'offensive' themes?

Well to an extent, you're right about the US also having forces which want to turn back to a more traditionalist time. But our school curriculum has always been dictated by the social mores of the surrounding community. That's no different than it ever was. We fight, we bicker, we come to a consensus and move on. What's different, is that we do it within a framework of non-violence - a framework which itself is based within the reformation and enlightenment. We don't have multitudes of folks who exist outside of our society, who would use violence and intimidation to get their way as if they were storming the castle walls.

And er, if you don't think there isn't a huge outcry any time somebody has the temerity to suggest that religion be put in the classroom...I think you're nutty. It's plastered all over the media, and the satellite trucks start showing up within the hour. Whether the community wants it or not, there are outside groups who will zoom in and stamp it flat.

shocker1
10-02-2006, 09:46 PM
VD Hanson focuses on one or two examples, which are the exception, not the rule. Free expression is alive and well in Europe, and 'The West' is strong. Van Gogh's murder or the Islamic response to the Dutch cartoons is not a fault with the west, it is a fault with Islam's reaction to the West.

Hanson also ignores the cultural forces at work in AMerica that threaten 'The West'. how often are school reading lists or curriculum altered because of pressure from Christians? Where is the venom for the school boards that vote to give creationism any standing as science in the classroom? Where are the accusations of treason for the schools that pull books with 'offensive' themes?
Why attack Christian values? To compare todays evangelical Christian with today's Radical Muslim is the premise of the radical Atheist.The school board you speak of was voted out. The books I assume you are talking about were those homo****** books some school board required to be in the library. Good riddance to such smut, we should keep adult issues away from our children.

America is a Christian country like or not. We are becoming more secular and sometimes hostile to our own Christian values. We have alot of problems, but this police state you described is a European fantasy. That they have created out of their own insecurities and shotcomings. I am not saying Europe is subservant to America, I see a Europe that fears any nationalism from any country and repression of a particular group, all these need to be feared. Americans are nationalistic, more so than our European counterparts but we have a wide spectrum of people that tames that tiger. This American swagger ticks you Europeans off and I understand. We are that big loud friend you have that walks in your house without knocking, heads to the fridge and partakes of your last beer. That friend despite all the back and forth will be there when you need him, don't forget that. Controlling immigration, pride in country and respect of faith are fundamental to any democratic society. When you start trumping the needs of the majority with the petty insensitivities of a minority group equal rights are no more.

ThatHistoryDude
10-02-2006, 11:57 PM
VD Hanson focuses on one or two examples, which are the exception, not the rule. Free expression is alive and well in Europe, and 'The West' is strong. Van Gogh's murder or the Islamic response to the Dutch cartoons is not a fault with the west, it is a fault with Islam's reaction to the West.

Hanson also ignores the cultural forces at work in AMerica that threaten 'The West'. how often are school reading lists or curriculum altered because of pressure from Christians? Where is the venom for the school boards that vote to give creationism any standing as science in the classroom? Where are the accusations of treason for the schools that pull books with 'offensive' themes?

Dasein I hope you understand the basic difference between Muslims burning churches and christians going to the polls to vote out a school board that doesnt reflect the will of the electorate. Like the result or not thats democracy in action. On the other hand militant muslim minorities holding people hostage to their views is the antithesis of western democracy and thats one of Hanson's main points.

Dasein
10-03-2006, 12:10 AM
Well to an extent, you're right about the US also having forces which want to turn back to a more traditionalist time. But our school curriculum has always been dictated by the social mores of the surrounding community. That's no different than it ever was. We fight, we bicker, we come to a consensus and move on. What's different, is that we do it within a framework of non-violence - a framework which itself is based within the reformation and enlightenment. We don't have multitudes of folks who exist outside of our society, who would use violence and intimidation to get their way as if they were storming the castle walls.

While this may be the case for the most part, there is still a violent fringe (eco-terrorists, abortion clinic bombers and violent homophobes, among others), and our history is full of groups that have attempted to use violence and intimidation to get thier way. For example, during the 60s, there was a very active campaign of murder, bombings and intimidation against those who were trying to organize the black vote in the South. So, while we might operate largely within the framework of laws right now, we should not assume this will always be the case. There are and have been those quite willing to resort to violence to get their way.


And er, if you don't think there isn't a huge outcry any time somebody has the temerity to suggest that religion be put in the classroom...I think you're nutty. It's plastered all over the media, and the satellite trucks start showing up within the hour. Whether the community wants it or not, there are outside groups who will zoom in and stamp it flat.

Of course there are. But who was there to step in when the FCC clamped down on CBS for the most horrible offense of showing a bare female breast for a half a second? Would a TV network be able to show, for example, an art exhibit featuring Michelangelo's 'David' without censoring the 'offensive' bits? Is such cnesorship of the **** human form truely in keeping with the ideals of 'the West', or is our fanatic aversion to public nudity in any form a betrayal of 'the West'? The **** human form is at the heart of many Western aesthetics, and when we turn our back on that, what does it say of our loyalty to these ideals? Virtually every greater and lesser artist of the Western canon has explored the **** form, yet the United States would fine any television netwrk inordinate amounts of money for daring to show a glimpse of a bare breast?
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Why attack Christian values?

I wasn't aware that censorship was a Christian value.



To compare todays evangelical Christian with today's Radical Muslim is the premise of the radical Atheist.

The goals of evangelical Christians and radical Muslims are very similar. If anything, what we are seeing is the Islamization of Christianity among American Christian fundamentlaists. The role they see religion playing in society is very similar to the role Islam plays in Muslim socity, and I think if you were to substitute Christian language for Islamic language in the works of the people like Qatb, most evangelical Christians would support his positions. The social criticisms of radical Christians and radical Muslims are equally opposed to the heritage of 'the West' - the traditions of an open society, of freedom of conscience and of rational scientific inquiry. Creationism isn't just a rival ideology to evolutionary theory, but is an assault on the fundamentals of science and rational thought. It's almost ironic how postmodern creationists have become with their assault on Western thought.


The school board you speak of was voted out.

It was hardly an isolated incident, nor is the issue settled. We might have won a battle, but the war is far from over.


The books I assume you are talking about were those homo****** books some school board required to be in the library. Good riddance to such smut, we should keep adult issues away from our children.

I wasn't aware books had a ****** orientation, nor was I aware that homo******ity and ******ity in general was exclusively an adult issue. How would you approach a child who's parents were openly homo****** about such issues?

However, I am not referring to such books in particular, but also to books like Farenheit 451 or The Catcher in the Rye - books which have traditionally been banned, and not just by Christians.



America is a Christian country like or not.

I see this assertion made often, but not yet has anyone explained what it really means? When you say America is a 'Christian' nation, to whose version of Christianity do you refer? Catohlocism? Protestantism? Some radical anarcho-pacisifism, like that of Tolstoy? Let's say you're referring to the general idea of Christianity - the belief in salvation through Christ - but what does this mean at a social level? The fundamental Christian belief is personal, not public. Christ saves the individual, not the State. Perhaps you mean that our policies are inspired by the teachings of Christ, but do you expect me to beleive that a country which spends over 400 billion dollars a year on the implements of war truely believes it is the peacemakers who are blessed? Do you expect me to believe that a state which pursues an agressive and interventionist foreign policy ultimately expects the meek to inherit the earth? If America as a whole is to be a Christian nation in action, it has a long way to go, and frankly, I would question if it is a prudent path, as the mandates of Christ seem to conflict with the mandates of the state.

2Sheds_Jackson
10-03-2006, 02:32 AM
While this may be the case for the most part, there is still a violent fringe (eco-terrorists, abortion clinic bombers and violent homophobes, among others), and our history is full of groups that have attempted to use violence and intimidation to get thier way. For example, during the 60s, there was a very active campaign of murder, bombings and intimidation against those who were trying to organize the black vote in the South. So, while we might operate largely within the framework of laws right now, we should not assume this will always be the case. There are and have been those quite willing to resort to violence to get their way.

Are we talking about religious groups or not?

Every culture has isolated, violent nuts. Everybody has criminals and lunatics. But not every society has an organized infrastructure teaching it and financing it. Christianity has reformed, you cannot find a major Christian sect that teaches, endorses, or tolerates violence.


Of course there are. But who was there to step in when the FCC clamped down on CBS for the most horrible offense of showing a bare female breast for a half a second?

Who was there? The law was there. Not Jesus, not the Bible, the law. And the law formed the basis for the punishment, not the Bible. When we crack open the Bible, and get a Cardinal to dole out punishment based upon Biblical text, get back to me.:)



Would a TV network be able to show, for example, an art exhibit featuring Michelangelo's 'David' without censoring the 'offensive' bits? Is such cnesorship of the **** human form truely in keeping with the ideals of 'the West', or is our fanatic aversion to public nudity in any form a betrayal of 'the West'? The **** human form is at the heart of many Western aesthetics, and when we turn our back on that, what does it say of our loyalty to these ideals? Virtually every greater and lesser artist of the Western canon has explored the **** form, yet the United States would fine any television netwrk inordinate amounts of money for daring to show a glimpse of a bare breast?

Ah...yes, as matter of fact, David is shown on TV all the time. Shindler's list was shown on prime-time TV, full frontal nudity and all. I grew up in the 60's and 70's watching Monty Python with ****ies all over the place. I watched Nip/Tuck last week, and it featured a nice rear-entry scene. I can get 200 **** channels if I want. What in the world are you talking about?