Nadschaf and Kut out of control

[HELEX]

General Sanchez said, Nadschaf and Kut are now under control of the Insurgents. Heavy fighting in Kerbela.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/08/iraq.intl/index.html

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,294578,00.html

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Nadschaf und Kut sind außer Kontrolle

Die Lage für die alliierten Truppen im Irak spitzt sich immer weiter zu. Der Oberkommandierende, US-General Sanchez, sagte, schiitische Milizen hätten die Herrschaft über die Städte Nadschaf und Kut übernommen. Auch in Kerbela verwickelten Schiiten die Besatzungstruppen in heftige Kämpfe.

Bagdad - General Ricardo Sanchez sagte auf einer Pressekonferenz in Bagdad, die wichtigsten Gebäude in den Stadtzentren von Nadschaf und Kut seien von schiitischen Milizen besetzt. Der ranghöchste US-General im Irak sagte weiter, die alliierten Truppen, darunter ukrainische und spanische Soldaten hielten sich in ihren Lagern in den Außenbezirken der Städte auf.

Ein Sprecher der polnischen Armee sagte, polnische und bulgarische Einheiten hätten sich vergangene Nacht heftige Gefechte mit schiitischen Aufständischen in Kerbela geliefert. Es sei jedoch gelungen, die muslimischen Milizen im Stadtzentrum zurückzuschlagen. Ein hoher polnischer Offizier gab an, seine Einheiten hätten keine Verluste erlitten. Es seien neun Angreifer getötet und etwa 20 weitere verwundet worden.

Geiselnahme dementiert

Ein Militärsprecher dementierte Meldungen, wonach schiitische Milizen spanische und andere mit ihnen verbündete Soldaten als Geiseln genommen hätten. Von der Geiselnahme berichteten übereinstimmend die Online-Ausgabe der spanischen Zeitung "El Mundo" sowie "Al-Dschasira". Der arabische TV-Sender berief sich auf Sadrs Sprecher Amer al-Husseini. Dieser habe erklärt, die Spanier und mehrere Soldaten aus anderen Nationen würden in der Stadt Kufa festgehalten. Die Geiselnehmer fordern demnach die Freilassung von Mustafa Jakubi, einem der Anführer der Milizen. Er war am vergangenen Samstag von alliierten Truppen gefasst worden.

Jakubi ist einer der Stellvertreter des radikalen Schiitenführer Muktada al-Sadr. Das spanische Verteidigungsministerium dementierte die Meldungen. "Das ist eine Lüge", sagte ein Sprecher. Auch ein amerikanischer Militärsprecher sagte, es seien keine Soldaten in der Gewalt von Aufständischen. Sanchez erklärte trocken: "Ich weiß davon nichts."

Sadrs Mehdi-Armee übernahm unterdessen auch die Kontrolle über die Kleinstadt al-Musajib in der Nähe von Nadschaf. Augenzeugen berichteten, die Milizionäre hätten am Donnerstagmorgen ohne Anwendung von Gewalt die Polizeistationen und Verwaltungsgebäude der Stadt besetzt.

Sadr hält sich nach Angaben seiner Anhänger derzeit in der Imam-Ali-Moschee in Nadschaf auf, einem der wichtigsten Heiligtümer der Schiiten. "Die Mehdi-Armee ist die nationale Armee des freien Iraks und die Entscheidung der US-Armee, sie anzugreifen, bedeutet einen Angriff auf den Irak vom Norden bis zum Süden", sagte Sadrs Vertreter in Nadschaf, Scheich Kais el Chasali.

Der Vorsitzende der Vereinigung der islamischen Religionsgelehrten in Falludscha, Scheich Meki al-Kubaisi, warnte die US-Soldaten davor, die insgesamt rund 80 Moscheen der Stadt zu besetzen. "Wir warnen die amerikanischen Truppen davor, die Moscheen zu benutzen, weil die Muslime keine religiösen Orte angreifen können."

Arzt: 280 Iraker in Falludscha getötet

In anderen irakischen Städten gingen die Kämpfe zwischen Aufständischen und den Alliierten weiter. Die Kämpfe in der von US-Soldaten abgeriegelten Stadt Falludscha haben nach Krankenhausangaben in den vergangenen Tagen mehr als 280 Iraker das Leben gekostet. Mindestens 400 weitere seien bei den Gefechten verletzt worden, sagte der Direktor des Krankenhauses von Falludscha, Taher al-Issawi. An verschiedenen Stellen lägen nach wie vor Tote und Verletzte unter Trümmern begraben, fügte er hinzu. Wegen der anhaltenden Kämpfe könnten sie nicht geborgen werden.

Augenzeugen sagten, in der Nähe einer Schule sei ein US-Armeehubschrauber abgestürzt. Al-Dschasira meldete, am Morgen seien Demonstranten in einer Solidaritätskundgebung von Bagdad in Richtung Falludscha gezogen.

Östlich von Falludscha seien bei Gefechten auch US-Soldaten getötet worden. Dafür gab es zunächst keine Bestätigung der US-Armee. Gekämpft wurde am Donnerstagvormittag auch an einer Brücke westlich von Ramadi. Dabei wurde laut Augenzeugen ein Iraker getötet.

[BlackRain]

Shia militia takes city as Ukrainians flee

Ukrainian troops surrendered the eastern city of Kut to Shia militants yesterday, abandoning civilian officials, including 13 Britons who escaped under fire, coalition sources said.

A South African security contractor was killed in the fighting and his body is said to have been left in the city.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/pictures/biga/_22621_ukrain_6-4-2004.jpg

The retreat of the Ukrainian contingent, against the orders of the US military commander in Iraq, has privately infuriated coalition leaders.

The capture of Kut, a provincial capital of about 380,000 people, marks the biggest victory scored by the radical Shia cleric, Moqtada al-Sadr, since he ordered his Mahdi army militia to launch an uprising at the weekend.

Fighting was so fierce - with about 50 rocket propelled grenades fired at the coalition compound - that US air support was called in to help. But this failed to prevent the defenders' retreat.

Ukraine's defence ministry said: "At the request of the Americans, and to preserve the life of our military, the commander of the Ukrainian contingent decided to evacuate the civil administration staff and Ukrainian troops from Kut."

A spokesman for the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), the civilian arm of the occupation government, denied the troops had abandoned civilian officials.

However, well-placed coalition sources said the Ukrainians had left the civilians to fend for themselves, protected only by lightly armed private security contractors. They added that the troops had pulled out against the orders of the US commander, General Ricardo Sanchez.

British officials are reviewing security procedures, and are considering whether to deploy staff only where they are protected by military contingents deemed reliable.

The fighting in Kut, a predominantly Shia city on the river Tigris, began at about 3pm on Tuesday, when the CPA compound came under fire. The attackers were held back by private guards from British and American security firms. A 60-man Ukrainian detachment was also at the base, but its contribution was said to be unclear.

Three hours later, gunmen attacked a building housing five security personnel from another company, named as Hart. One of them, a South African, was killed.

At dawn yesterday, the situation worsened. The main body of the Ukrainian battalion, based in a camp across the Tigris from the CPA compound, made several attempts to reach the civilians, but was beaten back by the militia.

Coalition sources said the Ukrainian contingent in the CPA compound was ordered to leave about 6.30am to join the rest of the battalion for the retreat from Kut.

Coalition sources said the civilian officials made their own way out of the city in a convoy protected only by private guards. Four Hart security men escaped by stealing a car, but are thought to have had to leave the body of their comrade behind.

Thirteen Britons were among those who escaped. Five were officials working for the CPA, and eight were security contractors with the British firm, Control Risks Group.

The Kut fiasco marked the first time coalition forces have abandoned their positions.

Until the radical cleric Sadr launched his revolt on Saturday, Kut had been a relatively quiet spot where attacks on coalition forces or civilians were rare.

Sadr's militia have proved to be a far stronger military force than the coalition had believed. By last night, they were effectively in control of Kut and the town of Kufa. Sadr, meanwhile, was surrounded by his followers at a shrine in the holy city of Najaf.

His insurrection has spread to at least four other cities, including the Shia slums of eastern Baghdad.

The coalition had viewed Sadr, 30, as an inexperienced, impulsive leader. But he has shown the ability to launch effective military strikes in several places at once.

More here: http://english.pravda.ru/accidents/21/93/375/12444_Iraq.html

[moughoun]

There was a picture on sky news a few minute's ago of the body of a US marine getting striped of his kit, bastard's

[Sergei]

The retreat of the Ukrainian contingent, against the orders of the US military commander in Iraq, has privately infuriated coalition leaders.


The coalition leaders can go suck a ****. :bash: There is only a bunch of Ukrainians and unlike some they don't have artillery and aircraft support to hold on. They only have light BRDMs and BTRs which is not enough. I commend the decision of ukrainian commander not to waste his men's lives without artillery and air support and for dubious cause. I hope they return home soon and alive. Ukraine has so much to loose and nothing to gain in this conflict.

[Soulhunter]

they are only there so the US could add one more country to their great list of coalition partners. I agree with you, that's not your war, get your boys home or engaged in the real war on terror

[Catch22]

Easy now - If they were forced to pull out, I'm glad they havent suffered any more losses. Without support from air you wont do much against overhelming odds with RPG's. We still dont have any precise reports form Al Kut only media stirring up the ****. "Infuriated"...well sure :roll:

Dont get angry Sergei - I belive it might happen Polish troops may have to retreat form Karbala (though I hope not). And I belive they did their best... Dont take our writing as offence - rather as concern whats going on :|

[mack pl]

The retreat of the Ukrainian contingent, against the orders of the US military commander in Iraq, has privately infuriated coalition leaders.


The coalition leaders can go suck a ****. :bash: There is only a bunch of Ukrainians and unlike some they don't have artillery and aircraft support to hold on. They only have light BRDMs and BTRs which is not enough. I commend the decision of ukrainian commander not to waste his men's lives without artillery and air support and for dubious cause. I hope they return home soon and alive. Ukraine has so much to loose and nothing to gain in this conflict.I think ukrainian soldiers are brave, and nobody could say its not true.But in my opinion Ukraine should stay in Iraq.Well, you never agree with me ,but I dont care ;)Regards.

[BlackRain]

Easy now - If they were forced to pull out, I'm glad they havent suffered any more losses. Without support from air you wont do much against overhelming odds with RPG's. We still dont have any precise reports form Al Kut only media stirring up the ****. "Infuriated"...well sure :roll:

Dont get angry Sergei - I belive it might happen Polish troops may have to retreat form Karbala (though I hope not). And I belive they did their best... Dont take our writing as offence - rather as concern whats going on :|

A review of events in Kut.

+The Ukraine troops did call in for air support and still fled.

+The attackers were held back by private guards from British and American security firms. A 60-man Ukrainian detachment was also at the base, but its contribution was said to be unclear.

+Ukrainians withdrew from Kut and al-Sadr followers swept into their base, seized weapons stores and planted their flag on a nearby grain silo.

+The Kut fiasco marked the first time coalition forces have abandoned their positions.

I agree. The Ukraines should return home and withdraw from Iraq.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

A review of events in Kut.

+The Ukraine troops did call in for air support and still fled.

+The attackers were held back by private guards from British and American security firms. A 60-man Ukrainian detachment was also at the base, but its contribution was said to be unclear.

+Ukrainians withdrew from Kut and al-Sadr followers swept into their base, seized weapons stores and planted their flag on a nearby grain silo.

+The Kut fiasco marked the first time coalition forces have abandoned their positions.

Can you provide a valid source for the above information.

[fdt]

Easy now - If they were forced to pull out, I'm glad they havent suffered any more losses. Without support from air you wont do much against overhelming odds with RPG's. We still dont have any precise reports form Al Kut only media stirring up the ****. "Infuriated"...well sure :roll:

Dont get angry Sergei - I belive it might happen Polish troops may have to retreat form Karbala (though I hope not). And I belive they did their best... Dont take our writing as offence - rather as concern whats going on :|

A review of events in Kut.

+The Ukraine troops did call in for air support and still fled.

+The attackers were held back by private guards from British and American security firms. A 60-man Ukrainian detachment was also at the base, but its contribution was said to be unclear.

+Ukrainians withdrew from Kut and al-Sadr followers swept into their base, seized weapons stores and planted their flag on a nearby grain silo.

+The Kut fiasco marked the first time coalition forces have abandoned their positions.

I agree. The Ukraines should return home and withdraw from Iraq.Sadrists were also to seize two BTR-60 APC's of the Ukrainian contingent..... so they have armor now. :(

[Macs.]

Sadrists were also to seize two BTR-60 APC's of the Ukrainian contingent..... so they have armor now. :(


Well, I guess armored Vehicles are easier to fight (you only need one Apache :-) ), then those Sadrists bastards standing in a crowd full of civilians.

[seruriermarshal]

No airforce ? A-10 ? AC-130 ? F-16 ? I don't know , why allies can't use them ? wait ? wait die ?

:fork: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork:

[Catch22]

Uhm OPFOR BTR60 positively identyfied wont last long ;)

[fdt]

I agree. The Ukraines should return home and withdraw from Iraq.Ukrainians are damn tough soldiers... if they've got the order to stay and fight thgey certainly would do it to the last .... Sadrist. They got no such order, they were ordered to withdraw... what they did. Ask one who issued this order: why did he do it?

[Sergei]

Easy now - If they were forced to pull out, I'm glad they havent suffered any more losses. Without support from air you wont do much against overhelming odds with RPG's. We still dont have any precise reports form Al Kut only media stirring up the ****. "Infuriated"...well sure :roll:

Dont get angry Sergei - I belive it might happen Polish troops may have to retreat form Karbala (though I hope not). And I belive they did their best... Dont take our writing as offence - rather as concern whats going on :|

A review of events in Kut.

+The Ukraine troops did call in for air support and still fled.

+The attackers were held back by private guards from British and American security firms. A 60-man Ukrainian detachment was also at the base, but its contribution was said to be unclear.

+Ukrainians withdrew from Kut and al-Sadr followers swept into their base, seized weapons stores and planted their flag on a nearby grain silo.

+The Kut fiasco marked the first time coalition forces have abandoned their positions.

I agree. The Ukraines should return home and withdraw from Iraq.

You are basically saying that Ukrainians are freaking cowards but they are not. I repeat, they went to Iraq on conditions of providing security for local populace and disarming population and demining the local countryside, which they did a great job. The city of Al Kut and Vasit province were one of the quietest provinces if you follow the news. There was no order to fight local population in a gung-ho "macho" style, "shoot anything that moves". And if you believe this is just some hundred of insurgents causing trouble, you are way of the mark! Mahdi army is not called "One million man army" for nothing. Let the freaking mercenaries do the fighting, they superbly paid to kill people.
Oh and btw, you can tell the same thing to the mother of Ruslan Andruschak who died yesterday in a land far away from home for God knows what cause.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Wow, if they are not gonna fight, what the fcuck is the ukranian contigent doing in Iraq in the first place?
If they havent been there, at least the militia wouldnt get the BTRs.

[Sergei]

Easy now - If they were forced to pull out, I'm glad they havent suffered any more losses. Without support from air you wont do much against overhelming odds with RPG's. We still dont have any precise reports form Al Kut only media stirring up the ****. "Infuriated"...well sure :roll:

Dont get angry Sergei - I belive it might happen Polish troops may have to retreat form Karbala (though I hope not). And I belive they did their best... Dont take our writing as offence - rather as concern whats going on :|

Thank you for understanding, Ok I am calm now. :oops:

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

You can disregard Black Rains comments Sergei he just comes here to twist folks tails check out his posts and profile it should tell you everything you need to know. :)

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Wow, if they are not gonna fight, what the fcuck is the ukranian contigent doing in Iraq in the first place?
If they havent been there, at least the militia wouldnt get the BTRs.

Apparently just peacekeeping, not fighting a war, because they don't have backing for that at home.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Wow, if they are not gonna fight, what the fcuck is the ukranian contigent doing in Iraq in the first place?
If they havent been there, at least the militia wouldnt get the BTRs.

Apparently just peacekeeping, not fighting a war, because they don't have backing for that at home.
Then why the hell did they come in the first place. If they arent serious about the conflict for whatever reason, stay out and keep your armory out of the reach of fcuking militants.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

None of us really know much at the moment so its best not to point and blame until the full facts are known. :|

[mack pl]

None of us really know much at the moment so its best not to point and blame until the full facts are known. :|yeah, agree with that :|

[BlackRain]

I would be most happy to provide sources for my posts! I am sorry that reality does not mesh with your world view.

Sources:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-te.iraq08apr08001706,0,6246708.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines ~ Note the mention of " al-Sadr followers swept into their base, seized weapons stores and planted their flag on a nearby grain silo."

http://english.pravda.ru/accidents/21/93/375/12444_Iraq.html ~ Note the mention of helicopter support.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/pictures/big/_9548_kut-unrest-7-4-2004.jpg
Ukrainian soldiers retreated to their base outside Kut


http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=9548 ~ Note the mention "The operation began at dawn on Wednesday ... under escort from attack helicopters," the ministry added.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/04/08/wirq208.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/04/08/ixnewstop.html ~ Note the mention of A) "The Kut fiasco marked the first time coalition forces have abandoned their positions." B) "The attackers were held back by private guards from British and American security firms. A 60-man Ukrainian detachment was also at the base, but its contribution was said to be unclear."

I believe the Ukraines are brave and honorable men, however, I still believe that they should return home. Note, this is an opinion, I realize individual freedoms such as opinions are a big no-no for certain members.

[HELEX]

No airforce ? A-10 ? AC-130 ? F-16 ? I don't know , why allies can't use them ? wait ? wait die ?

They dont know where the enemys are, and when they know it US.Troops are just 100m away. This is Urban warfare, Airforce is useless.

[seruriermarshal]

No airforce ? A-10 ? AC-130 ? F-16 ? I don't know , why allies can't use them ? wait ? wait die ?

They dont know where the enemys are, and when they know it US.Troops are just 100m away. This is Urban warfare, Airforce is useless.

But , yesterday , F-16 kill 40 enemy ? So , allies must first use airforce Bombing , then use M-1 and M-2 attack ......

[Russian Texan]

Sources:

http://english.pravda.ru/accidents/21/93/375/12444_Iraq.html ~ Note the mention of helicopters.


So does it mean that you believe everything written in "Pravda" or only those statements that are n-sync with your believes/serve your purpose?
You see, if you consider "Pravda" a reliable source, I can link up several articles from their website about US troops and their losses in Iraq... Will you believe them also?

I just don't like hippocrates.....

[cut]

Sources:

http://english.pravda.ru/accidents/21/93/375/12444_Iraq.html ~ Note the mention of helicopters.


So does it mean that you believe everything written in "Pravda" or only those statements that are n-sync with your believes/serve your purpose?
You see, if you consider "Pravda" a reliable source, I can link up several articles from their website about US troops and their losses in Iraq... Will you believe them also?

I just don't like hippocrates.....


post them..

[Catch22]

RT - sorry I couldnt stop: Oh poor Hippocrattes and his codex! Ask Seoul about him ;)

[BlackRain]

Sources:

http://english.pravda.ru/accidents/21/93/375/12444_Iraq.html ~ Note the mention of helicopters.


So does it mean that you believe everything written in "Pravda" or only those statements that are n-sync with your believes/serve your purpose?
You see, if you consider "Pravda" a reliable source, I can link up several articles from their website about US troops and their losses in Iraq... Will you believe them also?

I just don't like hippocrates.....

Russian, I just provided a range of sources from multiple countries about the facts about Kut. Pravda is what it is. However, it has the official line put out by the Ministry of Defense. It is important in intelligence analysis to read what all sides have to say, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

I would be happy to provide alternate sources for the airsupport and you can find them as easily as I by Googling.

Example:

The Ukrainian minister of defence said: "The withdrawal started at daybreak under the guidance of attack helicopters.'' Source: http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,6119,2-7-1442_1509904,00.html

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Sources:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-te.iraq08apr08001706,0,6246708.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines ~ Note the mention of " al-Sadr followers swept into their base, seized weapons stores and planted their flag on a nearby grain silo."



this is the part I disagree with, all the other news agencies say that the ukrainians didn't have a base in Kut, unless you count the governer's building as a base.

[BlackRain]

Good catch Cut, you maybe right. The "base" may have been a secured perimeter in Kut proper, then a fall back position at the edge of town, and another location near an airport.

[cut]

The location near the airport is, by all accounts, the ukrainian base, the reason I disagree, with calling the CPA building in town a base is that it makes it sound like a goldmine for military equipment for Sadr's men to plunder, where as in reality it's probably only a shot out building, I think the Madhi army had taken a local government building in Basra a few days ago.

It is strange however that the ukrainians evacuated without the CPA staff, maybe that's what the 60 were for?

[martinexsquaddie]

in basra it was a peaceful occupation more of a student occupation
being resolved mostly by talking the shooting started later mostly running gunbattles with the mahdi army finding it a really really bad idea it start shooting at people woot

[Sergei]

Wow, if they are not gonna fight, what the fcuck is the ukranian contigent doing in Iraq in the first place?
If they havent been there, at least the militia wouldnt get the BTRs.

Ask that question to Kuchma, the scumbag should be hung by his balls or sent to Iraq to dodge bullets. He is just saving his sorry ass since yanks are very mad at him and his whole criminal cadre which is running the country of Ukraine.

[Sergei]

http://www.middle-east-online.com/pictures/big/_9548_kut-unrest-7-4-2004.jpg
Ukrainian soldiers retreated to their base outside Kut



First of all this picture is like 3-4 months old. It was taken during a Shia demonstration in December/January which at first was peaceful and then turned violent when somebody from the crowd threw grenades into Ukrainian soldiers. There is no current footage from Al Kut and there are no pictures of abandoned Ukrainian vehicles or those taken by insurgents. I know this for certain because there is a ukrainian TV crew with the troops and they showed the ukrainian base with all the APCs and stuff in the hands of ukrainian contingent.

You are just spreading manure around like an old grandma on a good market day. :bash:

[Kingpin]

http://www.middle-east-online.com/pictures/big/_9548_kut-unrest-7-4-2004.jpg
Ukrainian soldiers retreated to their base outside Kut



First of all this picture is like 3-4 months old. It was taken during a Shia demonstration in December/January which at first was peaceful and then turned violent when somebody from the crowd threw grenades into Ukrainian soldiers. There is no current footage from Al Kut and there are no pictures of abandoned Ukrainian vehicles or those taken by insurgents. I know this for certain because there is a ukrainian TV crew with the troops and they showed the ukrainian base with all the APCs and stuff in the hands of ukrainian contingent.

You are just spreading manure around like an old grandma on a good market day. :bash:

BTW did Ukraine unable to send in Iraq something newer than those BRDMs? ;)

[Sergei]

http://www.middle-east-online.com/pictures/big/_9548_kut-unrest-7-4-2004.jpg
Ukrainian soldiers retreated to their base outside Kut



First of all this picture is like 3-4 months old. It was taken during a Shia demonstration in December/January which at first was peaceful and then turned violent when somebody from the crowd threw grenades into Ukrainian soldiers. There is no current footage from Al Kut and there are no pictures of abandoned Ukrainian vehicles or those taken by insurgents. I know this for certain because there is a ukrainian TV crew with the troops and they showed the ukrainian base with all the APCs and stuff in the hands of ukrainian contingent.

You are just spreading manure around like an old grandma on a good market day. :bash:

BTW did Ukraine unable to send in Iraq something newer than those BRDMs? ;)

Hardly a necessary thing unless you want to fight a full-scale war, then some Smerch and Grad and T-84 would be useful as well. For peace-keeping duties BTRs and BRDMs are just fine. And besides we ain't got anything newer than BRDM, do you?

[Kingpin]

Sometimes Smerch is better for peacekeeping missions. Ask marines in Fallujah! :)

[TriggerPuller]

Sometimes Smerch is better for peacekeeping missions. Ask marines in Fallujah! :) Explain this comment!

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