Two Israeli aid workers have been taken hostage in Iraq

[HELEX]

To be updated....

http://www.n-tv.de/

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the two are arab israeli aid workers

[American Patriot]

Yawn.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Well at least the militants arent racist
{/sarcasm}

[HELEX]

Sounds stupid if they are arabs.... :cantbeli:

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why? less likely to be killed?

[HELEX]

I dont think they will be killed, who do they want to extort with them?

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because they are foreign civilians

[MSpencer1313]

Why the motherf*ck would the Israelis go there?!?!?!?!?!

They're hated throughout the middle east (And I understand why actually), and the insurgents say "Death to infidel Israel and America", so why in god's name would they step foot in there?

[citizen-k]

They worked in an American aid organization, thats all.

The funny thing is one of them is called... Ahmed Yassin rofl

[UkrainianAmerican]

Why the motherf*ck would the Israelis go there?!?!?!?!?!

They're hated throughout the middle east (And I understand why actually), and the insurgents say "Death to infidel Israel and America", so why in god's name would they step foot in there?
Maybe they thought that being Arab negated the fact that they were Israeli, in the eyes of the extremists.

[Soulhunter]

they're not Jews. they're arab israelis. I wonder why they were taken hostage though?

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they're not Jews. they're arab israelis. I wonder why they were taken hostage though?

you should read the other posts befire you post, we mentioned that at the begining of the thread

[HELEX]

The 7 Koeans are free

[citizen-k]

because they are foreign civilians

Since Arab Israelis consider themselves to be Palestinians they can extort Arafat ;)

[Ichhabe]

because they are foreign civilians

Since Arab Israelis consider themselves to be Palestinians they can extort Arafat ;)

Would you have joked so much about this if they had been jewish? :bash:

[citizen-k]

because they are foreign civilians

Since Arab Israelis consider themselves to be Palestinians they can extort Arafat ;)

Would you have joked so much about this if they had been jewish? :bash:

Jewish Israelis did not try to kill my father 3 years ago, Arab Israelis did.

For me it looks like a stupid Arabic joke... Iraninan (Iraqi?) terrorist is kidnapping Palestinians, claiming they are Israelis in order to pressure the Americans...

(and one dumb European who doesn't understand a thing...)

[fred_engles]

because they are foreign civilians

Since Arab Israelis consider themselves to be Palestinians they can extort Arafat ;)

Would you have joked so much about this if they had been jewish? :bash:On the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, it is worth noting that, had they been Jewish, they would have been ripped to pieces on the spot.

[Ichhabe]

citizen-k said:


Jewish Israelis did not try to kill my father 3 years ago, Arab Israelis did.

If it was those two guys that tried to kill your father, then I can understand that you're gloating of their misfortune.
But if not... Then you are just,...stupid.



For me it looks like a stupid Arabic joke... Iraninan (Iraqi?) terrorist is kidnapping Palestinians, claiming they are Israelis in order to pressure the Americans...

Wheter you like it or not: They are still Israeli citizens. In your eyes, obviously 2. class citizens, but still Israeli citizens.


(and one dumb European who doesn't understand a thing...)


Care to share what it is that I don't understand?

[citizen-k]

citizen-k said:


Jewish Israelis did not try to kill my father 3 years ago, Arab Israelis did.

If it was those two guys that tried to kill your father, then I can understand that you're gloating of their misfortune.
But if not... Then you are just,...stupid.



For me it looks like a stupid Arabic joke... Iraninan (Iraqi?) terrorist is kidnapping Palestinians, claiming they are Israelis in order to pressure the Americans...

Wheter you like it or not: They are still Israeli citizens. In your eyes, obviously 2. class citizens, but still Israeli citizens.


(and one dumb European who doesn't understand a thing...)


Care to share what it is that I don't understand?

You don't understand that Israelis don't just get on a plane and fly to Iraq. :cantbeli:

Just like you never understood how funny you looked in the eyes of the people of Lebanon. (and how dumb you were in Israeli eyes...)

[Mark_Aspen]

According to Haaretz, they're not even Israeli, they're Arab residents of East Jerusalem -- ya'anu Palestinians.

I still think the solution to the whole issue is make Arafat an Israeli, then call him up for miluim (reserve duty) and send him to some god-forsaken hole to guard in the Negev forever.

[IDFM203]

The bottom line is if they were Jewish Israelis, they would have been slaughtered and ripped to shreds by now, I mean the fact they were in a aid organization there to help would not have made any difference to a lot of these savages (not a lot of them are that word, but those that would rip them to shreds are indeed just that)


But of course those were Israeli Arabs, I mean I didn’t need any newspaper to tell me that. I mean those who thought perhaps that they were Israeli Jews as if there is no difference in the eyes of the Arabs in general, obviously have no understanding of what we face in that region (and its quite clear that a lot don’t),


.
Wheter you like it or not: They are still Israeli citizens. No, whether you like it or not, the Arabs don’t consider them to be Israelis as you insinuate.


Whether some in the Arab world consider them traitors or others consider them Arabs just like everyone else, the bottom line is that they aren’t looked on in the Arab world as Jewish Israelis are looked on.

As for an Israeli perspective, well when most of them do NOT partake in the ultimate burden that most Israeli citizens do, which is to serve in the nations defense forces, and while a lot of them also work against Israel (not all of them but there are clearly elements that do), of course some of us would have our reservations about our Israeli Arab citizens.

But regardless, we do in fact consider them Israeli citizens with all the rights of one.

Shalom :D

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If palestinians want to go abroad do they have palestinian or israeli passports?

[Ichhabe]

citizen-k said:


Just like you never understood how funny you looked in the eyes of the people of Lebanon. (and how dumb you were in Israeli eyes...)

That comment says more about you than it says about me. :bash:

[Threelions]

If palestinians want to go abroad do they have palestinian or israeli passports?

Well said!!

Cheers from another "dumb european"

[Ichhabe]

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Wheter you like it or not: They are still Israeli citizens. No, whether you like it or not, the Arabs don’t consider them to be Israelis as you insinuate.




I did not say that the Arabs looked upon them as Israelis.
What I was saying that for us, and for you they are still Israeli citizen's.(If they hhave Israeli passports)
And they are also human beings, held hostage by savages.

That was why I reacted, that citizen-k could sit and gloat over that. But then again, looking on the history of citizen-k's earlier replies: I am not surprised.

[Truthsayer]

We already know that citizen-k is a confirmed racist that just loves to point the anti-jew-staff upon anyone that doesn't agree with his views.

I came into this thread and thought it was israeli 'jews', together with 3 japanese and so on, that where kidnapped, and I was equally conserned.

Therefor I feel sick when someone that claims to be of 'heigher moral statue' gloats over this.

[IDFM203]

I did not say that the Arabs looked upon them as Israelis. Perhaps but to me it seemed as if you hadn’t acknowledged any difference on them from most in the Arab world or even from a lot of the Israeli Arabs themselves for it seemed that you only acknowledged a difference in the eyes of Israelis, where in reality it is the Arabs that looked on Israeli Arabs differently as well.


What I was saying that for us, and for you they are still Israeli citizen's.(If they hhave Israeli passports) Yes but I must be honest with you in that while I recognize that we have a lot of Israeli Arab citznes, I do not view them th same as Israeli jews, for a lot of them don’t have the same loyalties to the state as the rest of Israeli citizens have, wheras there are elements in this segment that in fact work against Israel, also most of them do NOT partake in the ultimate burden that most Israeli citizens do, which is to serve in the nations defense forces, and as such you must understand where some of us are a bit hesitent to call them full Israeli citizens when a lot of them work aginst Israel and most of them do not take on the ultimate burden as most other israelis do.


And they are also human beings, held hostage by savages. yes indeed but I believe his point was that if they were Jews they would have been slaughtered but since they aren’t, and a lot of them consider themselves Palestinians first before they consider themselves Israelis, and some besides just an Israeli passport, never considered themselves Israelis at all, well in that light, he was just commenting on his view that it is ironic that now they are looked on as Israelis by others when in fact most of the Arab world, not to mention perhaps even those two that are being held hostage do not consider themslevs Israelis.


That was why I reacted, that citizen-k could sit and gloat over that. I don’t think he was gloating as you institute but more so pointing out the absurdity of them being called all of a sudden Israelis by the Arabs when regardless of whether they have an Israeli passport or not, usualy they dont cosider them Israelis.



We already know that citizen-k is a confirmed racist that just loves to point the anti-jew-staff upon anyone that doesn't agree with his views. .No it is you pointing out that about him more then he has ever said any such thing(I have seen this tactic used so much now that it is rutine by some of you even though most of us don’t say anything like that)

Also let me hear how you think he is a racist?

I mean its not the first time I have seen you lied about something (hell all I have to do is remind people about your false signature a while back to back up my claim that you lie)

Shalom :D

[Truthsayer]

Yes, please point out any 'lie'-sig I might have had.

Whatever can divert the attension from the fact that your countryman is rating arabs as a 2nd class citisen.

[IDFM203]

Liesayer,

divert attention..ahh? :roll: I clearly addressed how Israelis view them and why.Go read back what I wrote.

As for your sig...yes you having a pic of Arab kids dressed up as Jews and them pointing a gun at another Arab kid and then pawning that pic off as real Jewish kids there when there wasnt any, is in fact clearly lying!!

oh and please respond once with at least some effort at intelligent debate or arguments instead of constantly having stupid and false one liners that show no effort of any intelligence but rather simply provoke a flame war, which it is clear that is all that you look for or resort to in the absence of any thoughtful debate for it is clear that you are incapable of ever conducting one here (or at least from what we have seen from you so far on this forum)

oh and you didn’t answer my question to you before….come on give it a try, I am curious to see how you view him to be a racist.

Shalom :D

[foxtrot023]

The bottom line is if they were Jewish Israelis, they would have been slaughtered and ripped to shreds by now, I mean the fact they were in a aid organization there to help would not have made any difference to a lot of these savages (not a lot of them are that word, but those that would rip them to shreds are indeed just that)


But of course those were Israeli Arabs, I mean I didn’t need any newspaper to tell me that. I mean those who thought perhaps that they were Israeli Jews as if there is no difference in the eyes of the Arabs in general, obviously have no understanding of what we face in that region (and its quite clear that a lot don’t),


.
Wheter you like it or not: They are still Israeli citizens. No, whether you like it or not, the Arabs don’t consider them to be Israelis as you insinuate.


Whether some in the Arab world consider them traitors or others consider them Arabs just like everyone else, the bottom line is that they aren’t looked on in the Arab world as Jewish Israelis are looked on.

As for an Israeli perspective, well when most of them do NOT partake in the ultimate burden that most Israeli citizens do, which is to serve in the nations defense forces, and while a lot of them also work against Israel (not all of them but there are clearly elements that do), of course some of us would have our reservations about our Israeli Arab citizens.

But regardless, we do in fact consider them Israeli citizens with all the rights of one.

Shalom :D

Are there chrsitians in Israel? (meaning druss or other minorities) If so, are they allowed to serve in the israeli armed forces?

Regards

[UkrainianAmerican]

Those Israeli Arabs were Christians.
I believe many Druze serve as trackers and such in the IDF.

[IDFM203]

Are there chrsitians in Israel? (meaning druss or other minorities) If so, are they allowed to serve in the israeli armed forces?

RegardsFirst of all druze are Muslims.

Secondly yes there are Christians in Israel and there are some in the IDF as well!!

I have gone over this before; any Israeli citizen can serve in the IDF and in fact there are Christians, Muslims and some others in the IDF as well.

What I am saying before is that Israeli Arabs aren’t forced to go as other Israelis are and most in fact don’t go, but if some want to go they can get in.

As for druze and beduins, yes there are plenty of them in the IDF and a lot of them serve as trackers.

So yes there are others besides Jews serving in the IDF.

Shalom :D

[big80a2]

Those Israeli Arabs were Christians.
I believe many Druze serve as trackers and such in the IDF.

yep,
And about those Arab christians proberly by name..

[UkrainianAmerican]

Those Israeli Arabs were Christians.
I believe many Druze serve as trackers and such in the IDF.

yep,
And about those Arab christians proberly by name..
What?

[Truthsayer]

As for your sig...yes you having a pic of Arab kids dressed up as Jews and them pointing a gun at another Arab kid and then pawning that pic off as real Jewish kids there when there wasnt any, is in fact clearly lying!!


"Right"

According to the american source where the pics came from, they where accurate. It was also commented by several american (kids, but nevertheless) that enjoyed what was shown.

_You_ claim it is arabs that are dressed up. Since I don't believe you are Iehova you will have to come up with any realiable source for that, as I would love to see it.



oh and please respond once with at least some effort at intelligent debate or arguments instead of constantly having stupid and false one liners that show no effort of any intelligence but rather simply provoke a flame war, which it is clear that is all that you look for or resort to in the absence of any thoughtful debate for it is clear that you are incapable of ever conducting one here (or at least from what we have seen from you so far on this forum)

oh and you didn’t answer my question to you before….come on give it a try, I am curious to see how you view him to be a racist.

Shalom :D

Have to give you credit for following the step-by-step-guide on miscrediting-other-users that say things you don't agree with. I don't have to attack you personally, your own post do that for you, but it must be concluded: Your constant attacks upon the poster instead of their posts are a sign that you lack arguments to set the poster straight. if there was any cler 'proff' or 'posts' that your countryman _wasn't_ a racist I'm sure you would have posted it. No?

Anyone condeming a whole people, race or group of people, is a rascist, biggot, homo-phob, anti-semetict and so on (depends on group what it is called).

You fellow countryman clearly went into this thread with his mind set. He gloated over their capture and showed no consearn, like most of the other posters (not all!), did here and with the korea aswell as the japanese captives.

Show that you are better and conclude that every man (captive) is equal and they all deserve our prays and consearn.

(But I guess this will be follow by yet another 5 flame-posts on my character.)

[IDFM203]

As for your sig...yes you having a pic of Arab kids dressed up as Jews and them pointing a gun at another Arab kid and then pawning that pic off as real Jewish kids there when there wasnt any, is in fact clearly lying!!


"Right"

According to the american source where the pics came from, they where accurate. It was also commented by several american (kids, but nevertheless) that enjoyed what was shown.

_You_ claim it is arabs that are dressed up. Since I don't believe you are Iehova you will have to come up with any realiable source for that, as I would love to see it. haha ;) some kids certified it to be true and you think its true :roll:

Based on kids rofl :roll:

As for it being an American site, so? How has that anything to do with truth?? The pics did NOT come from there, no they took it from AP or ******* (sp?) photos. I am willing to bet that this American site isn’t the most friendly towards Israel and is in fact very hostile towards it and as such to outright believe that site is well.............

Just for the sake of it, can you repost a link to this American site.

Listen you want to play games go ahead, the fact is that those kids all wore shirts with Arabic writing on it which indicated it belonged to some Arabic camp or organization or what I think, some Arab “theater” group.

Secondly their Jewish “payot” (longer sideburns) looked very fake.

Lastly that pic when it first came out, it was in published in I believe the AP newswire or ******* (I don’t remember which one) and underneath it said it was pali kids playing in some theater group

It was a while ago and as such I cant access any past AP pics from that time..

I think you are a liar and I guess you don’t believe me on what I say, great, we can defiantly get along just fine ;)

Btw what is a “Iehova”?





Have to give you credit for following the step-by-step-guide on miscrediting-other-users that say things you don't agree with. I don't have to attack you personally, your own post do that for you, but it must be concluded: Your constant attacks upon the posterahh another lie from you, I do not constantly ONLY attack the poster….go show me how in my 1597 posts on this forum, most of the time I do what you just say.

Now perhps on a few occastions (and understand that it is ONLY a few, like now) I might mix in a few comments directed at the poster, but it is always in conjunction with me addressing what was said in that thread and not only attacking a poster as you falsely said.



instead of their posts :roll: I always address peoples posts and what they say.

Even yours I did!!



if there was any cler 'proff' or 'posts' that your countryman _wasn't_ a racist I'm sure you would have posted it. No? :cantbeli: ahh? You called them a racist and it is incumbent on YOU to prove that and NOT on ME to show how they are not.


Anyone condeming a whole people, race or group of people, is a rascist, biggot, homo-phob, anti-semetict and so on (depends on group what it is called). who and when did he or I condemn a whole people?

Now tell me, is it racist to point out as I have that a lot of the Israeli Arabs work against Israel and that MOST do NOT do the ultimate burden (serving in the IDF) as most other Israelis do?


You fellow countryman clearly went into this thread with his mind set. He gloated over their capture No he did not..again” I don’t think he was gloating as you institute but more so pointing out the absurdity of them being called all of a sudden Israelis by the Arabs when regardless of whether they have an Israeli passport or not, usually they don’t consider them Israelis”



Show that you are better and conclude that every man (captive) is equal and they all deserve our prays and consearn. When did I not conclude that??

No it is high time that you recognize the reality that the Arabs themselves don’t consider Jews and Arabs equal and did not consider these captives to be equal.

Yes I consider a innocent captive equal and I feel for them, but it is time that you recognize that the Arabs would have killed them if they were Jews and since they are not, they are treated differently by the Arabs.



(But I guess this will be follow by yet another 5 flame-posts on my character.) hmm interesting in that I respond to YOUR post on someone’s character (“he is a racist and he calls everyone a anti Semite” blah blah blah…which both is NOT true) and yet you have the audacity to accuse me of resorting to this tactic :roll:

Shalom :D

[Mark_Aspen]

This IDFM sure writes a lot.

Israeli Jews (except the ultra-Orthodox), Druze (excpet on the Golan Heights) and Circassian Christians are conscripted. Anyone else volunteers, including the Bedouin.

A. Not all Israelis share what seems to be this perception that Israeli Arabs aren't Israeli. On the other hand though there are many Israeli Arabs who would just as soon see the state disappear; many also act on that desire, and that borders on treason.

B. The non-Jews who do serve in the IDF (IDFM's "ultimate burden") don't see a fair return on their time or lives. The Druze and other communities don't derive the development, educational and economic benefits that equal sized Jewish communities receive. Despite many promises from both the right and left, they always get caught by empty pockets.

[UkrainianAmerican]

This IDFM sure writes a lot.

Israeli Jews (except the ultra-Orthodox), Druze (excpet on the Golan Heights) and Circassian Christians are conscripted. Anyone else volunteers, including the Bedouin.

A. Not all Israelis share what seems to be this perception that Israeli Arabs aren't Israeli. On the other hand though there are many Israeli Arabs who would just as soon see the state disappear; many also act on that desire, and that borders on treason.

B. The non-Jews who do serve in the IDF (IDFM's "ultimate burden") don't see a fair return on their time or lives. The Druze and other communities don't derive the development, educational and economic benefits that equal sized Jewish communities receive. Despite many promises from both the right and left, they always get caught by empty pockets.
Why dont they try to live among the jewish communities? That would surely eliminate the funding problem.

[IDFM203]

This IDFM sure writes a lot. . ...and in the brief time you that have been here, you have as well.

What was your point in mentioning this if not in a effort at condensation? (if I read it wrong then I apologize but that’s how it came off and frankly regardless of your views on this and of whether we disagree on these things and the conflict in general, I am a bit surprised that you would start off a response to me with this)


A. Not all Israelis share what seems to be this perception that Israeli Arabs aren't Israeli. . Well firstly, MOST of the Arab world, and a lot of the Israeli Arabs themselves, do NOT consider themselves Israeli.

Anyways, I am not sure if this was directed at me or not, but just to make clear, I consider those Israeli Arabs that serve in the military and are loyal to Israel to be Israeli, the others that don’t serve and certainly those that work against Israel, I do not cosider to be full Israelis.

But even those I do recognize as them being Israelis, my problem is actually that a lot of them don’t consider themselves to be Israeli

On the other hand though there are many Israeli Arabs who would just as soon see the state disappear; many also act on that desire. Excatly!!

I think where we might perhaps disagree is the actual numbers of those that want to see Israel destroyed and the same for those that work for that goal.

Understand that I do NOT nor ever have said that all of them are as such or all of them or not etc…

But IMO a lot don’t have any real loyalties to Israel as other Israelis have.



The non-Jews who do serve in the IDF (IDFM's "ultimate burden") don't see a fair return on their time or lives. whether that’s true or not (and it is debatable for a lot of these druze or bedoiun trackers are actually paid quite well to serve), most of the Israeli Arabs do not serve because of that reason.

IMO its more to do with their non acceptance of them being Israelis or Israel and dying for Israel that has more of a reason for them not serving then anything else and that is more of a ideological realm then any financial or anything that Israel did or didn’t do.

Shalom :D

[Truthsayer]

As for your sig...yes you having a pic of Arab kids dressed up as Jews and them pointing a gun at another Arab kid and then pawning that pic off as real Jewish kids there when there wasnt any, is in fact clearly lying!!


"Right"

According to the american source where the pics came from, they where accurate. It was also commented by several american (kids, but nevertheless) that enjoyed what was shown.

_You_ claim it is arabs that are dressed up. Since I don't believe you are Iehova you will have to come up with any realiable source for that, as I would love to see it.

haha ;) some kids certified it to be true and you think its true :roll:


No, I said kids/youths/posters-like-many-here commented on the picture and gloated on how the muslims had it comming to them.



Based on kids rofl :roll:

As for it being an American site, so? How has that anything to do with truth?? The pics did NOT come from there, no they took it from AP or ******* (sp?) photos. I am willing to bet that this American site isn’t the most friendly towards Israel and is in fact very hostile towards it and as such to outright believe that site is well.............


They where posting anti-moslem-posts so I guess they are anti-israel... :roll:



Just for the sake of it, can you repost a link to this American site.

Listen you want to play games go ahead, the fact is that those kids all wore shirts with Arabic writing on it which indicated it belonged to some Arabic camp or organization or what I think, some Arab “theater” group.

Secondly their Jewish “payot” (longer sideburns) looked very fake.

Lastly that pic when it first came out, it was in published in I believe the AP newswire or ******* (I don’t remember which one) and underneath it said it was pali kids playing in some theater group

It was a while ago and as such I cant access any past AP pics from that time..

I think you are a liar and I guess you don’t believe me on what I say, great, we can defiantly get along just fine ;)


You spend all this time to call me a lie'ar and no time to prove you are right.

"ok"



Btw what is a “Iehova”?


Name of God, translated from hebrew into latin letters.






Have to give you credit for following the step-by-step-guide on miscrediting-other-users that say things you don't agree with. I don't have to attack you personally, your own post do that for you, but it must be concluded: Your constant attacks upon the poster

ahh another lie from you, I do not constantly ONLY attack the poster….go show me how in my 1597 posts on this forum, most of the time I do what you just say.


A lie you say? You are calling me a lie'er?

I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are able to read english. Please point out WHERE in the text above I said that you ONLY attack the poster?

Btw, here is the complete qoute, un-cut, un-edited by you:

Your constant attacks upon the poster instead of their posts are a sign that you lack arguments to set the poster straight. if there was any cler 'proff' or 'posts' that your countryman _wasn't_ a racist I'm sure you would have posted it. No?

I would like you to respect nettiqet with not editing quotes into something other then is written.

In every post towards you in an subject you don't agree with you will most likely comment the poster, together with the topic. That is what I wrote, not that you only attacked the posters and not wrote something about the topic. It might only be with topic regarding things 'close at heart' but it is those I have mostly seen from you. (i.e. have put on memory.)



Now perhps on a few occastions (and understand that it is ONLY a few, like now) I might mix in a few comments directed at the poster, but it is always in conjunction with me addressing what was said in that thread and not only attacking a poster as you falsely said.


instead of their posts :roll: I always address peoples posts and what they say.

Even yours I did!!



if there was any cler 'proff' or 'posts' that your countryman _wasn't_ a racist I'm sure you would have posted it. No? :cantbeli: ahh? You called them a racist and it is incumbent on YOU to prove that and NOT on ME to show how they are not.


Anyone condeming a whole people, race or group of people, is a rascist, biggot, homo-phob, anti-semetict and so on (depends on group what it is called). who and when did he or I condemn a whole people?

Now tell me, is it racist to point out as I have that a lot of the Israeli Arabs work against Israel and that MOST do NOT do the ultimate burden (serving in the IDF) as most other Israelis do?


You fellow countryman clearly went into this thread with his mind set. He gloated over their capture No he did not..again” I don’t think he was gloating as you institute but more so pointing out the absurdity of them being called all of a sudden Israelis by the Arabs when regardless of whether they have an Israeli passport or not, usually they don’t consider them Israelis”



Show that you are better and conclude that every man (captive) is equal and they all deserve our prays and consearn. When did I not conclude that??

No it is high time that you recognize the reality that the Arabs themselves don’t consider Jews and Arabs equal and did not consider these captives to be equal.

Yes I consider a innocent captive equal and I feel for them, but it is time that you recognize that the Arabs would have killed them if they were Jews and since they are not, they are treated differently by the Arabs.



(But I guess this will be follow by yet another 5 flame-posts on my character.) hmm interesting in that I respond to YOUR post on someone’s character (“he is a racist and he calls everyone a anti Semite” blah blah blah…which both is NOT true) and yet you have the audacity to accuse me of resorting to this tactic :roll:

Shalom :D

I never said you where a racist or condemed all arabs. Don't make up qoutes or arguments that fit your idea of being attacked.

I attacked your countryman for lacking humanity to let his consearn include non-jewish israelis, just based on his history with his dad.

Condemming a whole people like this is rascism. Like it or not.

Will you still regard this as an attack upon you, when the post wasn't about you?

Update: Btw the whole "No it is high time that you recognize the reality that the Arabs themselves don’t consider Jews and Arabs equal and did not consider these captives to be equal. " is a moot point if you consider yourself a part of the western world.

Otherwise 'you' (as a country) is no better then the 'savages' you are trying to protect yourself from, only better equiped.

Can I count on it being a slip on the keyboard from you?

[citizen-k]

We already know that citizen-k is a confirmed racist that just loves to point the anti-jew-staff upon anyone that doesn't agree with his views.

I came into this thread and thought it was israeli 'jews', together with 3 japanese and so on, that where kidnapped, and I was equally conserned.

Therefor I feel sick when someone that claims to be of 'heigher moral statue' gloats over this.

Where is your signature showing Palestinian kids playing "killing" others? huh?

I like to point dumb asses from Norway who think they know better - while they doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.

"I was protecting civilians in Lebanon..." rofl

[Truthsayer]

We already know that citizen-k is a confirmed racist that just loves to point the anti-jew-staff upon anyone that doesn't agree with his views.

I came into this thread and thought it was israeli 'jews', together with 3 japanese and so on, that where kidnapped, and I was equally conserned.

Therefor I feel sick when someone that claims to be of 'heigher moral statue' gloats over this.

Where is your signature showing Palestinian kids playing "killing" others? huh?

I like to point dumb asses from Norway who think they know better - while they doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.

"I was protecting civilians in Lebanon..." rofl

Must feel good to call anyone not sharing your limited view on the world as dumbasses.

Thanks for proving my point about you.

[citizen-k]

Yes, please point out any 'lie'-sig I might have had.

Whatever can divert the attension from the fact that your countryman is rating arabs as a 2nd class citisen.

I never rated them as 2nd class citizens - I just pointed out the fact they were in Iraq on their own responsibility. A normal Israeli has got nothing to do in Iraq now days. (unless he is arab Israeli who considers himself as Palestinian - like those 2)

Speaking arabic myself, along with my arabic friends from Lebanon and across Israel I think you better search your racist elsewhere.

Its obvious you, and some people from Norway, have no idea what is going on here if you understood it that way.

[citizen-k]

We already know that citizen-k is a confirmed racist that just loves to point the anti-jew-staff upon anyone that doesn't agree with his views.

I came into this thread and thought it was israeli 'jews', together with 3 japanese and so on, that where kidnapped, and I was equally conserned.

Therefor I feel sick when someone that claims to be of 'heigher moral statue' gloats over this.

Where is your signature showing Palestinian kids playing "killing" others? huh?

I like to point dumb asses from Norway who think they know better - while they doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.

"I was protecting civilians in Lebanon..." rofl

Must feel good to call anyone not sharing your limited view on the world as dumbasses.

Thanks for proving my point about you.

Ignoring the kids playing "lets kill someone"? why?

Please do post the picture you used as your signature - so we will all see who YOU really are.

[citizen-k]

I will help to refresh your lame memory:



You are talking about the truth, and yet post pictures of celebrating kids in relationship with 9/11 - comming from an staged setting.

This was exposed only 3 weeks after 9/11 by several reporters in the location, that for example searched up the woman that was 'howling' and eating cookies in the film-clip that was broadcasted in some 40 countries.

Don't bring any **** about truth and openly swallow anything that fits you. =)


The whole picture. I didn't take it so don't bother asking for exact circumstances.
http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload0/attachment.jpg

Right, Palestinians didn't celebrate after 11/9 :petting:

I'll tell you about the picture:

Its a Palestinian kids theater telling them why should they kill the Israelis - because they are shooting Palestinians in the head.

That is the education system funded by European money - teach 10 year old kids to kill... :petting: X 2

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10574&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[Truthsayer]

Here is a tip: try reading a thread before replying to it.



I like to point dumb asses from Norway who think they know better - while they doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.

"I was protecting civilians in Lebanon..." rofl

Thanks for proving my point about your personality.

Your lack of respect for other soldiers (non-IDF) is stunning.

[IDFM203]

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Just for the sake of it, can you repost a link to this American site.

Listen you want to play games go ahead, the fact is that those kids all wore shirts with Arabic writing on it which indicated it belonged to some Arabic camp or organization or what I think, some Arab “theater” group.

Secondly their Jewish “payot” (longer sideburns) looked very fake.

Lastly that pic when it first came out, it was in published in I believe the AP newswire or ******* (I don’t remember which one) and underneath it said it was pali kids playing in some theater group

It was a while ago and as such I cant access any past AP pics from that time..

I think you are a liar and I guess you don’t believe me on what I say, great, we can defiantly get along just fine ;)




You spend all this time to call me a lie'ar and no time to prove you are right.

"ok"


I made a case how you are a liar….what kind of case can YOU show me how what I just said above doesn’t make that case?

Secondly I asked you for that American site, why didn’t you post it…..again, can you post that site?





A lie you say? You are calling me a lie'er?

I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are able to read english. Please point out WHERE in the text above I said that you ONLY attack the poster?

Btw, here is the complete qoute, un-cut, un-edited by you:

Your constant attacks upon the poster instead of their posts are a sign that you lack arguments to set the poster straight. if there was any cler 'proff' or 'posts' that your countryman _wasn't_ a racist I'm sure you would have posted it. No?


Yes I feel you a liar by saying that I constantly attack the poster…….even in conjunction with me addressing what was said, as you now say that is what you meant (though after reading your line here again, I don’t see where that can be implied), even there most of my posts in general do not address the poster at all.

In every post towards you in an subject you don't agree with you will most likely comment the poster, together with the topicagain that’s a lie!!

I repeat “go show me how in my 1597 posts on this forum, most of the time I do what you just say”

A majority of the times and in fact most of the times, I do not talk about the poster.

Have I done it? Yes, and usually it is in conjunction with addressing the post, but is it most or even a lot, nope!!



(But I guess this will be follow by yet another 5 flame-posts on my character.) hmm interesting in that I respond to YOUR post on someone’s character (“he is a racist and he calls everyone a anti Semite” blah blah blah…which both is NOT true) and yet you have the audacity to accuse me of resorting to this tactic :roll:

Shalom :D

I never said you where a racist or condemed all arabs. Don't make up qoutes or arguments that fit your idea of being attacked.
[/quote]go read what I wrote again, I said you called him a racist.




Don't make up qoutes or arguments that fit your idea of being attacked. :roll: boy if you only follow your own advice for once we would have fewer problems between us ;)



I attacked your countryman for lacking humanity to let his consearn include non-jewish israelis, just based on his history with his dad. no you attacked my countryman for clealy in my eyes not understanding what he wrote and then you went on to flame Israel with a off topic one liner.



Condemming a whole people like this is rascism. Like it or not. when did he condemn a whole people?

Please explain it to me based on exactly what he wrote



Update: Btw the whole "No it is high time that you recognize the reality that the Arabs themselves don’t consider Jews and Arabs equal and did not consider these captives to be equal. " is a moot point if you consider yourself a part of the western world.



Otherwise 'you' (as a country) is no better then the 'savages' you are trying to protect yourself from, only better equiped. ahh what?

Again “Yes I consider a innocent captive equal and I feel for them, but it is time that you recognize that the Arabs would have killed them if they were Jews and since they are not, they are treated differently by the Arabs.

In other words, yes I conisder myself to be a part of the western world and in fact consider all innocent captives to be equal, now my point and I belive it was his as well, is that it is the arabs themselves that do not consider captives to be equal and that is all that he was pointing out.

and as such he and I found it intersting to say the least that some here would think it was an Israeli Jew there, which of course just shows how people dont have a real understanding of the realities in this region for if they did they would know how unlikely it was an Israeli Jew, due to what would happem to him if he even stepped foot in that nation (or in other arab countries)




Can I count on it being a slip on the keyboard from you? can I at least count on you cutting out your arrogant condensation for once?

Shalom :D

[citizen-k]

Here is a tip: try reading a thread before replying to it.



I like to point dumb asses from Norway who think they know better - while they doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.

"I was protecting civilians in Lebanon..." rofl

Thanks for proving my point about your personality.

Your lack of respect for other soldiers (non-IDF) is stunning.

1. You really don't know what I'm talking about. (by talking about Lebanon)

2. I respect non-IDF soldiers who fight for a cause - not out of boredom.

[IDFM203]

I will help to refresh your lame memory:



You are talking about the truth, and yet post pictures of celebrating kids in relationship with 9/11 - comming from an staged setting.

This was exposed only 3 weeks after 9/11 by several reporters in the location, that for example searched up the woman that was 'howling' and eating cookies in the film-clip that was broadcasted in some 40 countries.

Don't bring any **** about truth and openly swallow anything that fits you. =)


The whole picture. I didn't take it so don't bother asking for exact circumstances.
http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload0/attachment.jpg

Right, Palestinians didn't celebrate after 11/9 :petting:

I'll tell you about the picture:

Its a Palestinian kids theater telling them why should they kill the Israelis - because they are shooting Palestinians in the head.


http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10574&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 yes thanks for finding this pic

again (and this is to Liesayer)“Listen you want to play games go ahead, the fact is that those kids all wore shirts with Arabic writing on it which indicated it belonged to some Arabic camp or organization or what I think, some Arab “theater” group.

I mean yes fake like your Jews and wear shirts with arab writing on it :cantbeli:

Secondly their Jewish “payot” (longer sideburns) looked very fake.

Lastly that pic when it first came out, it was in published in I believe the AP newswire or ******* (I don’t remember which one) and underneath it said it was pali kids playing in some theater group

It was a while ago and as such I cant access any past AP pics from that time..”

I mean the more I look at it, the more obvious it is that they are not Jewish kids, but of course YOU in Norway (is that where you are?) know exactly all the little nuances in these pics on how to tell if they are or aren’t :roll:

oh and again can you post that american site where you got that pic from?

Shalom :D

[AirZone]

Trashsayer 0 idf 1

citizen>all

rofl rofl rofl

and yeah idfm sure writes alot but hell he is a better spokeman than any other israeli spokeman i ever saw woot

funny theard :lol:

[Truthsayer]

"Liesayer", "asshole", "dumbass"

Something you are tought in school?


Face the fact: Citizen-k was making 'smart' remarks about the captivation, something he would have flaimed others if it would have been an israeli jew in the gaza-strip or whatever.

Going on with your little crusade only proves my point.

You lack respect for anyone but yourself. Period.



I like to point dumb asses from Norway who think they know better - while they doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.

"I was protecting civilians in Lebanon..." rofl


In the end you will have get what you deserve. May it be judgement day or sooner. Be prepared to meet the lord with your 'scorecard' then.


Please, post another 5 or 10 posts with accusation of lie'ing and how big assholes and dumbasses we europeans that don't agree with you are.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Trashsayer 0 idf 1

citizen>all

rofl rofl rofl

and yeah idfm sure writes alot but hell he is a better spokeman than any other israeli spokeman i ever saw woot

funny theard :lol:
Yeah, Israel is not known for its P.R. :lol:

[citizen-k]

"Liesayer", "asshole", "dumbass"

Something you are tought in school?


Face the fact: Citizen-k was making 'smart' remarks about the captivation, something he would have flaimed others if it would have been an israeli jew in the gaza-strip or whatever.

Going on with your little crusade only proves my point.

You lack respect for anyone but yourself. Period.



I like to point dumb asses from Norway who think they know better - while they doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.

"I was protecting civilians in Lebanon..." rofl


In the end you will have get what you deserve. May it be judgement day or sooner. Be prepared to meet the lord with your 'scorecard' then.


Please, post another 5 or 10 posts with accusation of lie'ing and how big assholes and dumbasses we europeans that don't agree with you are.

Oh...I see... you are frustrated for not understanding what am I talking about by mentioning Lebanon...

We Jews barely tend to meet 'the lord' now days. (It ended up pretty bad the last time as I recall, ask Mel Gibson)

[IDFM203]

"Liesayer", "asshole", "dumbass"

Something you are tought in school? boy at least try to be clear who you are talking to ;)

All I said was Liesayer.

Also I don’t think anyone in this thread said the word asshole other then YOU.

And yeah you call yourself Truthsayer and based on you being the exact opposite, as I have now clearly have shown, well Liesayer I felt is more appropriate.

Though I will stop using that term for the sake of attempting to get off this flame war

Face the fact: Citizen-k was making 'smart' remarks about the captivation, Yes indeed, he did make a SMART comment, one in which it is clear you have no grasp of understanding what he meant and instead used it to further your ridicules and false insinuations against some of us Israelis when in fact we had not said any such thing.


something he would have flaimed others if it would have been an israeli jew in the gaza-strip or whatever. Yeah explain to me how he would have flamed others if someone would have said the exact same thing he said about Israeli Jews.

Boy I still think you don’t have a real clue as to what he said.

Again can you answer to me how he was racist, this is now the third or forth time that I have asked and yet other then you merely saying he is, you offer up nothing else to show that.

Going on with your little crusade what crusade?..oh you mean disproving your ridicules and false comments, for other then that, I haven’t been on any crusade here.


You lack respect for anyone but yourself. Period. :cantbeli: wow now THAT is what I call grasping for straws :cantbeli: …..but hey I can understand you doing that, for after me clearly showing how you lied with that pic, and then you haven’t even the fortitude to post a link to that site you got it from (after I asked a few times), to after me showing how you lied about me constantly posting about the posters instead of the posts (when that is not true in most cases in general) to me also showing how you are hypocritical, in where you accuse me of going after ones character, when you yourself did it first, well of course all you are left with is this ridicules character flame :roll:

Listen, I respect plenty of people of all stripes and even those that disagree with me, as long as they are respectful to me as well, though people that use images to outright lie and people that are clearly hypocritical as you have been, I don’t have much respect for and if that’s doesn’t sit well with you, well that’s your problem not mine, all I ask now is for you to stop your absurd one liners and continuations of your false insinuations for it just reflects poorly on you then on anything it shows on me.

Shalom :D

[MaDuce]

Maybe they are jihadists using singning on to aid convoys to get themselfs into Iraq.

[Truthsayer]

IDFM203>> Yes, not following your commands is lieing.
Not swallowing everything you say is lieing.

I'm not posting any link until you do, as I requested, simple as that.

You claim the picture is incorrect, so it's YOUR job to prove it. Just like how it workes in other threads.

Btw, I have no idea as how posting an image that was originally posted by an american could mak anyone a lier. Since no statement has EVER been posted along with it.

But wait, that would make YOU an lier, wouldn't it?


Nono, lets attack me again so no-one remembers what your little friend said, it's much easier that way.


I like to point dumb asses from Norway who think they know better - while they doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.

"I was protecting civilians in Lebanon..." rofl

'You' (loose term) are the only one that are repeatingly giving other posters names they don't have.

Let's remember that.

[usa320]

To **** with the Israelis is a very stupid thing to do if your a rag tag gang of thugs and criminals armed with little more than RPG's.

[UkrainianAmerican]

IDFM203>> Yes, not following your commands is lieing.
Not swallowing everything you say is lieing.

I'm not posting any link until you do, as I requested, simple as that.

You claim the picture is incorrect, so it's YOUR job to prove it. Just like how it workes in other threads.

Btw, I have no idea as how posting an image that was originally posted by an american could mak anyone a lier. Since no statement has EVER been posted along with it.

But wait, that would make YOU an lier, wouldn't it?


Nono, lets attack me again so no-one remembers what your little friend said, it's much easier that way.


I like to point dumb asses from Norway who think they know better - while they doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.

"I was protecting civilians in Lebanon..." rofl

'You' (loose term) are the only one that are repeatingly giving other posters names they don't have.

Let's remember that.
You lost. You can go home now.

[Truthsayer]

I didn't realise we where at war.

[IDFM203]

I know I should let this go, but I have to admit I am haveing too much fun here p-)

IDFM203>> Yes, not following your commands is lieing.
Not swallowing everything you say is lieing. . More grasping for straws,

No lying is lying, period!! and it has nothing to do with MY commands (as if I commanded you to do anything) or any “swallowing” of what I say.

You lied about this pic(which I will explain again in a moment) and you lied about me that I constantly post on posters and not on what is said on the post (where except for a few cases, like with you here, I for the MOST part and certainly NOT constantly, don’t do any such thing at all)


I'm not posting any link until you do, as I requested, simple as that. .what link, when did I say I have a link to post?

You said it was from an American site, now show it to me. (btw I actually believe it is indeed a site based in the U.S. though I am just curious to see what kind of site that is).

You not showing me this site, only proves what kind of site that is and it just shows how “honest” they are.

I mean why are you afraid of showing that site?


You claim the picture is incorrect, so it's YOUR job to prove it. Just like how it workes in other threads. . Indeed and I have shown you.

Here lets follow this again.

Here is the pic that your sig was from
http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload0/attachment.jpg

I repeat “Listen you want to play games go ahead,
the fact is that those kids all wore shirts with Arabic
writing on it which indicated it belonged to some Arabic
camp or organization or what I think, some Arab “theater” group.

I mean yes fake like your Jews and wear shirts with Arab
writing on it :cantbeli:

Secondly their Jewish “payot” (longer sideburns) looked
very fake.

Lastly that pic when it first came out, it was in published
in I believe the AP newswire or ******* (I don’t remember
which one) and underneath it said it was pali kids playing
in some theater group

It was a while ago and as such I cant access any past AP
pics from that time..”

While indeed it would be better to get those AP or ******* pics (and believe me, well ok to others, believe me I saw it before as a AP or Reuter photo) but I think that what I highlighted in bold is sufficient enough for any logical and unbiased person with any knowledge of the Mideast to conclude that those aren’t any Jews there.

So again, I made a case how that pic was not any Jewish kids and that you are a liar for insisting that they are or at least constantly challenging me which is clear that you felt they are Jews and not as how I said it, and as of yet, I have NOT seen any kind of case from YOU where you show me how what I just said above doesn’t make that case!!


Btw, I have no idea as how posting an image that was originally posted by an american could mak anyone a lier. Since no statement has EVER been posted along with it. First of all that pic was not originally posted on any American site!!

Anyways it’s this simple,

That pic is distorted and used by some to distort a view on Israel and that use of that pic in that fashion is indeed a lie!!

Any pic that YOU post is YOU endorsing it and certainly a pic that YOU put in your sig.

You had a sig with that pic and with some of YOUR Photoshopping you morphed sharon and bush and it was quite clear as to the fact that you thought that those were Jewish kids there and it was meant to be very antagonizing against Israel.

Secondly whenever someone challenges you on that pic you deny we can be right about it and insist that we are wrong even when I offer up great explanations as to why it is not any Jewish kids there.


But wait, that would make YOU an lier, wouldn't it? Nope this statement here only makes you look more foolish based on what I have constantly shown about your insistence on this pic.


Nono, lets attack me again so no-one remembers what your little friend said, it's much easier that way. yes lets watch you say this “lets attack me again” speech again, so you can pretend that you are some “innocent” poster here who gets attacked all the time, when in truth you posted lies and idiotic statements and accused one of racism without ever showing how he was, and are now desperately grasping for any attack straws hoping that at least one might stick so people can forget that YOU lied and look very foolish here.

Oh and again, now for the fifth time, what did he say in this thread that was racist?

Oh and understand that yes in my posts to YOU I am making some personal comments but you are as well and for you to constantly put yourself on some high horse here is ridicules not to mention hypocritical, but oh well, its something I have come to expect from you already.

Shalom :D

[Truthsayer]

Just because you post the same statement, again, in bold, doesn't make it truthfull.

Using nazi-retoric, are we?

[IDFM203]

Just because you post the same statement, again, in bold, doesn't make it truthfull. so in that pic, there is no Arab writing on their shirts? So in your eyes they are Jews (as you still contest my assertions that they are not) and yet in order to do that they put arab writing on their shirts? :roll: :cantbeli:

Also, One of the kids "jewish Payot" or longer sidburns, doesn’t look very fake to you??

Are you clinically blind are just mentally blind?? Or perhaps both?


Using nazi-retoric, are we? Now this is the forth or fifth one liner that is so off topic and its obvious as to the diversionary tactic that you keep on trying to do to get off the fact that you are a liar and a hypocrite and you now even look more foolish.....ah let me guess, you are going through the usual anti Israel handbook of how to manipulate things and now you have come up with one of the favorites on how we are like Nazi's :roll:

I cant wait to see your predictable next BS one liner to divert attention from what has been shown about you in this thread :roll:

Shalom :D

[Ichhabe]

Why are you guys still going on whit all your "prooving".

And you weant off topic 3 pages ago. CHEEEEZ!!!! :cantbeli:

[Javehn]

Damn boy , that is one of the strangest ****s i have read this week . Damn , some people ...

By the way , WeedSmoker (that would be Truthsayer) , technicly , he ain't calling your names . Sence i am guessing ThruthSayer ain't your real name (and ain't your description either) ? So technicly , you are the one calling yourself by nick , you know . ;)
And you are defenetly smoking some bad brand of weed also . :lol:

Wusssa ...

[Truthsayer]

I'm against the use of all drugs, including alcohol (for me, personally, not giving a BS what others do) - so, No.