Cdn Leopards in Afghanistan

[Daniel San]

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03 Oct 2006
Kandahar, Afghanistan
A Canadian Leopard Tank weighing over 100,000lbs rolls across the tarmac at the Kandahar Air Field after delivery on a C-17 Transport Aircraft (back ground). Equipped with a 105-mm L7A3 gun, the Leopard is capable of engaging targets during the day or at night as well as in adverse conditions.

Task Force Afghanistan is part of Canada’s contribution to the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. This mission is about Canadians and their international partners helping Afghans rebuild their lives, their families, their communities and their nation. Canadian operations will work to improve the quality of life of Afghans by providing a secure environment in which Afghan society can recover from more than 25 years of conflict.

The Canadian Forces (CF) contribution in Afghanistan comprises about 2,000 soldiers, most of whom serve with Task Force Afghanistan at Kandahar Airfield and Camp Nathan Smith in Kandahar City. Additional personnel are assigned to Kabul, various military headquarters, and civilian organizations.

Photo by: Sgt Lou Penney
TFA OP ATHENA
Imagery Technician

[parabellum666]

Get Some!!!

[JoeBlack23]

Finally they have arrived. Cant wait to see them in action. I can see theyve got the newer add-on armour. Really wanna see how they are going perform in A-stan and how the Leopard is going to cope against the RPGs and IEDS.

[erazer76]

nice!
lets see what the dutch goverment will do
maybe they will send some 2a6 to afghanistan :)

[IDF-Godzilla]

I just hope the Afghan insurgents don't have Kornets and Metis AT weapons.

[Pille1234]

I just hope the Afghan insurgents don't have Kornets and Metis AT weapons.
I guess they would have used them already against other vehicles if they had them.

[variable]

Have the Marder 1A5 already arrived? Does the Bundeswehr plan to send even more vehicles of the kind? Maybe even Leo2?

[zulu261]

Have the Marder 1A5 already arrived? Does the Bundeswehr plan to send even more vehicles of the kind? Maybe even Leo2?

Nothing heard about sending in Leo's, but the Marders should be there already I think.

[Blackburn]

No. We're not gonna send some Spz's and KPz's overthere.

[Jagdtiger]

I´d love to see some 2A6´s going against the taliban but it seems unlikely for such firepower to arrive in the near future

[Blackburn]

lol...
tell me where do ya wanna use such huge tanks?
Hunting talibans in the mountains with tanks will be a problem ...

[variable]

lol...
tell me where do ya wanna use such huge tanks?
Hunting talibans in the mountains with tanks will be a problem ...

Psychological advantage is the keyword here:) I'd be intimidated by them..

[Blackburn]

well yes, but now the Canadians could do that job if they want;)

[goat89]

Good for them. Hope they be safe and do their job well.

[Jagdtiger]

Good for them. Hope they be safe and do their job well.

agreed the leo will protect them well p-)

[Count Lippe]

Psychological advantage is the keyword here:) I'd be intimidated by them..
They wouldn't be intimidated, because tank/AT warfare isn't exactly new for them...

[ex Strathcona]

They wouldn't be intimidated, because tank/AT warfare isn't exactly new for them...

Then they will be very brave as they are turned into a fine pink mist the second one of our gunners places a 105mm HESH round through the 2’ think mud wall they used to call cover.
Do ya think?

[variable]

They wouldn't be intimidated, because tank/AT warfare isn't exactly new for them...

In fact facing a Leo 2 would be new for them. AFAIK there have never been any deployed to Afghanistan by any country.

[Jurpula]

How many Leos are they going to deploy there?

[ex Strathcona]

I just hope the Afghan insurgents don't have Kornets and Metis AT weapons.

They may not have them now, but you can bet they will some day. Our best defence then as it is now is the way out Infantry and Armour work together in mutual support.
Putting my tankers ego aside for a moment, if anyone can suppress the A/T teams that might be lurking out there it is the RCR and PPCLI
Having been on the receiving end of some of their “realistic” training I would almost pity the Taliban.

[signatory]

[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]They may not have them now, but you can bet they will some day.

Buy one Kornet system on the black market or 10,000 IED planted in roads..

[ex Strathcona]

Buy one Kornet system on the black market or 10,000 IED planted in roads..

not my call, better ask Pakistan if they want to spot them some

[ex Strathcona]

And what would we rather face, 10,000 IED's that kill innocent civilians along with our troops? Or that 1 blind firing half ass trained Taliban with a Kornet system that we can return fire on the second we see the launch?

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Have you served in Afghanistan?

[ex Strathcona]

Have you served in Afghanistan?

no, at the moment i am going through the re enrolment paper work to get back in the army.

[EMPEROR ATTiLA]

WHAT kind armour has got canadian leos.?if it is homogenus steel no chance against rpg7 ...l saw in our army's leos armours are is too thin for rpg 7s.l think canadians should use era panels.alreday afganistan has got alot of hills and mountains...taliban militants can hunt easily...

[ex Strathcona]

WHAT kind armour has got canadian leos.?if it is homogenus steel no chance against rpg7 ...l saw in our army's leos armours are is too thin for rpg 7s.l think canadians should use era panels.alreday afganistan has got alot of hills and mountains...taliban militants can hunt easily...

there was a earlier thread about the Leo's being deployed that had some details on armour but i think for the most part it is being kept quiet.
but if i was a betting man i would bet that the armour you see on the photos in this thread has been made with RPG rounds and IED's in mind

[guest]

WHAT kind armour has got canadian leos.?if it is homogenus steel no chance against rpg7 ...l saw in our army's leos armours are is too thin for rpg 7s.l think canadians should use era panels.alreday afganistan has got alot of hills and mountains...taliban militants can hunt easily...

The Leopards will work just fine, where we are operating they suit the terrain.

As for the armour.. no one really knows the details as to effective strength. not even the guys working on it.. and they shouldn't.. it's classified.

I will say this.. it's MEXAS.. same as Leo2A5

These are not your grandmother's Leo1s

[guest]

lol...
tell me where do ya wanna use such huge tanks?
Hunting talibans in the mountains with tanks will be a problem ...

Have you been to Afghanistan?

Maybe you should take a look at where we are conducting operations before offering such expert opinions.

There were no mountains in our latest, bloodiest battles like OP Medusa.

In fact, Tanks would haver been great to have during that one

[JoaMei]

The Leopards will work just fine, where we are operating they suit the terrain.

As for the armour.. no one really knows the details as to effective strength. not even the guys working on it.. and they shouldn't.. it's classified.

I will say this.. it's MEXAS.. same as Leo2

Nope, MEXAS is completely different to the Leopard 2 Armor.

But the Advantage is that MEXAS is designed to protect against HEAT, so the Protection should be good enough for the RPG Threat.

[guest]

Nope, MEXAS is completely different to the Leopard 2 Armor.

But the Advantage is that MEXAS is designed to protect against HEAT, so the Protection should be good enough for the RPG Threat.

IDB Engineering takes credit for Leo2 armour on their website.. they call it MEXAS-H

But I'm not a Leo2 expert.

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[parabellum666]

How many Leos are they going to deploy there?

believe its 16 leopards, not all of them are combat ones though, some are the ones with the cranes and etc on them, not to sure of the terms for them

[Kingswat]

believe its 16 leopards, not all of them are combat ones though, some are the ones with the cranes and etc on them, not to sure of the terms for them

the recovery vehicle is the Taurus.

[Canuck Farrier]

happy hunting,a nice addition.Anywhere the Infantry get held up by strong points etc the leo will turn them to rubble.It must make the Infantry feel good going into battle with a MBT in support.

[AmericanImperialist]

couldn't these be used to watch roads that are ied favorites with their thermal imaging?

id imagine the us should have some abrams on roads that are commonly hit like the road from BIAP to the green zone

[ex Strathcona]

couldn't these be used to watch roads that are ied favorites with their thermal imaging?

id imagine the us should have some abrams on roads that are commonly hit like the road from BIAP to the green zone


Certainly they could, but so can the LAVIII and Coyote, all of them have very good thermal systems. The Leo will likely be used for a variety of jobs

[Roy Batty]

Certainly they could, but so can the LAVIII and Coyote, all of them have very good thermal systems. The Leo will likely be used for a variety of jobs

In fact the Coyote was pretty much purpose built for it, correct? ISTAR ect?

[ex Strathcona]

In fact the Coyote was pretty much purpose built for it, correct? ISTAR ect?

Indeed it was, I was one of the lucky individuals chosen to conduct crew trials on the Coyote when it first came out, the surveillance package was just fantastic other than the cumbersome set up and tear down of the system either in an O.P. or on the mast. Our only complaint was that we lost the ability to break clean unless we were willing to sacrifice the gear.

[Victis Honor]

The Leopards will work just fine, where we are operating they suit the terrain.

As for the armour.. no one really knows the details as to effective strength. not even the guys working on it.. and they shouldn't.. it's classified.

I will say this.. it's MEXAS.. same as Leo2A5

These are not your grandmother's Leo1s

i wish my grandmother had a leo1, woud have borowed it on a night out:)

[C.MAXIMUS]

Good luck and good hunting !!! p-)

[guest]

believe its 16 leopards, not all of them are combat ones though, some are the ones with the cranes and etc on them, not to sure of the terms for them

All *15* Leos are Tanks..

The recovery vehicles are called Taurus

[guest]

Indeed it was, I was one of the lucky individuals chosen to conduct crew trials on the Coyote when it first came out, the surveillance package was just fantastic other than the cumbersome set up and tear down of the system either in an O.P. or on the mast. Our only complaint was that we lost the ability to break clean unless we were willing to sacrifice the gear.

I wonder if a re-designed mast/sensor-EO package could be used..

One that would allow remote extension?

[ex Strathcona]

I wonder if a re-designed mast/sensor-EO package could be used..

One that would allow remote extension?


There was a remote package; at least there was when I was in. When we took delivery of the Coyote we got 3 variants, command, with jump seats in the back instead of the surveillance gear, mast mount and remote.

The remote vehicles had all the same gear as the mast mounts but rather than place it all on a telescoping mast and send it up through the trees (or over a hill top) you had to hump it all to an O.P. took about the same amount of time to set up and tear down either system.

both systems had the operator working out of the back of the vehicle in relative comfort

[pAt]

All *15* Leos are Tanks..

The recovery vehicles are called Taurus

theres 15 leopard's going plus a couple recovery varients of the leopard going over as well...also the T-lav might be going into theator...

[ex Strathcona]

theres 15 leopard's going plus a couple recovery varients of the leopard going over as well...also the T-lav might be going into theator...

the T-LAV? what is that an M113?
god i hope not... those things should be doing hard target duty

[Vitellius]

WHAT kind armour has got canadian leos.?if it is homogenus steel no chance against rpg7 ...l saw in our army's leos armours are is too thin for rpg 7s.l think canadians should use era panels.alreday afganistan has got alot of hills and mountains...taliban militants can hunt easily...

Attached is a picture of an RPG-7 hit on the side-skirt of an M1A2 Abram.

I don't think an RPG-7 is a threat to any modern or even Cold War era tanks. Was the RPG-7 ever even intended to be an anti-tank weapon?

[pAt]

the T-LAV? what is that an M113?
god i hope not... those things should be doing hard target duty


ya the newer version of the old m113..

[AlexNenadic]

There is a huge difference between the anti personnel and HEAT warheads for RPG-7.

[guest]

Just to remind some of you.

Tanks, or any other vehicle are part of a system.. no one element is "alone"

Our Infantry supports the tank, as the tank supports the infantry...

No vehicle is completely safe, no weapons system completely effective..

I've seen 25mm tear into a T-62, and I've seen RPG hits splash off a LAV..

Anything can happen, there are so many variables to account for,

I take ANY threat seriously, rest assured so do our LAV and now Tank crews..

That said, we have operated LAVS for over 4 years with great success,

I have complete confidence in our ability to properly employ this new in- theatre capability.

[guest]

There is a huge difference between the anti personnel and HEAT warheads for RPG-7.

And I've seen both deflected by *Light* MEXAS panels..

No armour is perfect, but MEXAS was designed with HEAT in mind..

After riding around in LAVIIIs with thin panels.. I'd feel safe enough in a LEO with thick ones.

Also, remember that the add-on armour is just that.. there's the original armour underneath as well.

These tanks are ready for combat.

[Djuice]

Yes, an RPG-7 can be a dangerous weapon against Modern Tanks, it all depends on the Grenade and where you hit it. Modern PG-7 grenades like the PG-7VL and VR can cause serious damage to tanks from the rear, sides and top.

As fot Mexas, i've heard that they're extremely resilient to CE attacks, some 11 times more resistence then their thickness.

[Canuck Farrier]

Just to remind some of you.

Tanks, or any other vehicle are part of a system.. no one element is "alone"

Our Infantry supports the tank, as the tank supports the infantry...

No vehicle is completely safe, no weapons system completely effective..

I've seen 25mm tear into a T-62, and I've seen RPG hits splash off a LAV..

Anything can happen, there are so many variables to account for,

I take ANY threat seriously, rest assured so do our LAV and now Tank crews..

That said, we have operated LAVS for over 4 years with great success,

I have complete confidence in our ability to properly employ this new in- theatre capability.

right on man,you know your ****.woot you are Infantry?

[guest]

These supposedly old, antiquated, outclassed, useless Leopard C2s have been brought here to fight.

They are not gate guards, or compound queens..

Those 28 year old kitty cats are here to hunt..

Armour is going to "Reach out and Kill Something"

[EvanL]

These supposedly old, antiquated, outclassed, useless Leopard C2s have been brought here to fight.

They are not gate guards, or compound queens..

Those 28 year old kitty cats are here to hunt..

Armour is going to "Reach out and Kill Something"
It will be very interesting to see. Thats for sure.
How yuo doing out there bud?

[Satellite Weapon]

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great pictures !

[Count Lippe]

Then they will be very brave as they are turned into a fine pink mist the second one of our gunners places a 105mm HESH round through the 2’ think mud wall they used to call cover.
Do ya think?
Come on man, do you really think they're that stupid?:)

[RS_Leo1A5]

I think the Leos look great with this add-on armor!

[guest]

Come on man, do you really think they're that stupid?:)

Yes.. they can be..

I can show you a valley that was littered with body-parts after 155mm came down like death..
There's no such thing as whole people.. you don't really find bodies..only parts.. and paste

They use those mud walls for cover every day.

And really, what's stupid about this? Those walls can be hard to punch through.

*We* sometimes use em for cover, too

If you have a better way, you should show us..

Seriously, hop on a plane.. I'm on light duty now, got lots of time..

[Roy Batty]

Yes.. they can be..

.. I'm on light duty now, got lots of time..

Zig when you should have Zagged bro?

[Xlimit]

I think the Leos look great with this add-on armor!

x2. Looking very nice, will all 15 get the armor add-on or only a few?

[ex Strathcona]

Come on man, do you really think they're that stupid?:)

it is not stupid to use available cover, those Leopards will however redefine what they can call cover.

[guest]

Zig when you should have Zagged bro?

That's what I tell the girlies ;)

Actually, I broke some ankle bones, twisting it when I got wedged into some rocks... 'cause I was being a compete numpty.

So now I've got nothing to do but post on the 'net... LOL

Are you on TF07 workup?

[Roy Batty]

That's what I tell the girlies ;)

Actually, I broke some ankle bones, twisting it when I got wedged into some rocks... 'cause I was being a compete numpty.

So now I've got nothing to do but post on the 'net... LOL

Are you on TF07 workup?


Just working this one. Not heading over until 07.

[EMPEROR ATTiLA]

Attached is a picture of an RPG-7 hit on the side-skirt of an M1A2 Abram.

I don't think an RPG-7 is a threat to any modern or even Cold War era tanks. Was the RPG-7 ever even intended to be an anti-tank weapon?

l saw effect of rpg7 in action ...if hit angle is 90 degree under 100 meters it can penerate all kind armours.. allready tandem warhead are available ..l saw alot of pics of israel tanks in yom kippur war was hitted by rpg 7...

ofcourse modern armours chobam depleted uranium armours are better than oldies...

[Blackburn]

Have you been to Afghanistan?

Maybe you should take a look at where we are conducting operations before offering such expert opinions.

There were no mountains in our latest, bloodiest battles like OP Medusa.

In fact, Tanks would haver been great to have during that one



Well, you are right!

But on the official dutys wich my country does...
there we don't need heavy amour.
I don't need any heavy tank support, when I'm delivering info paper
to the folks out there, or when I'm fixing up schools, and so on.

...the rest. Yeah, as I said. you're right.
;)

And hey, by the way. Stay safe fella

Edit:
to your question:
Noz, never been up there.
Time will come, maybe.

[He219]

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A Canadian Forces (CF) Leopard C2, part of the first shipment of heavy armoured vehicles to Kandahar, Afghanistan, sits on the tarmac at the Manas Air Base near Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan. The CF is transporting eight armoured vehicles from Canada to Afghanistan through the Manas Air Base as part of Canada’s enhanced contribution to the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF).

The vehicles were flown, two at a time aboard contracted Antonov aircraft to Manas Air Base for the initial leg of their journey to Afghanistan.

The vehicles were transferred, one at a time, aboard U.S. C-17 Globemaster III aircraft at the Manas Air Base for the remainder of their flight. The Antonov is too large an aircraft to land at Kandahar Airfield.

[JoeBlack23]

Attached is a picture of an RPG-7 hit on the side-skirt of an M1A2 Abram.

I don't think an RPG-7 is a threat to any modern or even Cold War era tanks. Was the RPG-7 ever even intended to be an anti-tank weapon?


Man thats so wrong, what the heck do u think is happening to the allies in Iraq and A-stan. They get pounded by rpg-7s. It was said that the rpg-7 cant harm any western MBT. But they have learned it otherwise. Even he Abrahams can be destroyed, seriously harmed, by multi-rpg attacks. Obviously the rpg head has to have an anti-tank warhead. Why do you think loads of allied armour is carrying the "cages"?

[JoeBlack23]

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Those are beautiful pics...cant wait to hear how they do in battle..must be so excitiing for the crew..

[EMPEROR ATTiLA]

Man thats so wrong, what the heck do u think is happening to the allies in Iraq and A-stan. They get pounded by rpg-7s. It was said that the rpg-7 cant harm any western MBT. But they have learned it otherwise. Even he Abrahams can be destroyed, seriously harmed, by multi-rpg attacks. Obviously the rpg head has to have an anti-tank warhead. Why do you think loads of allied armour is carrying the "cages"?
some m1 s and bradleys were mounted cages againist rpg7.. l think some members has never seen a rpg7..you can see era panels on merkava IV .

[Dark Avenger]

About time that someone brought some REAL armor with good night-fighting capability to supplement the ANA's T-55 and T-62 MBTs, not that I have seen many photos of these "in the field".

[memphiz]

the T-LAV? what is that an M113?
god i hope not... those things should be doing hard target duty
TLavs are either the LAV3 with TOW on it.
or the upgraded versions of the M113 which have a LAV turret on it new engines etc... (apparently amazing to drive)

Ive seen them both, but I keep hearing different names so...

[guest]

TLavs are either the LAV3 with TOW on it.
or the upgraded versions of the M113 which have a LAV turret on it new engines etc... (apparently amazing to drive)

Ive seen them both, but I keep hearing different names so...


Um.. are you talking about the AVGP 1 meter turret????

Blech.. ;)

The one's found on the Grizzly.. we could'nt GIVE those away fast enough to the African Union.

An M113 is an M113.. new or engines or not, still weak compared to a LAVIII's armour.

As for the TOW LAV, they kept it simple.. LAV-TUA

[guest]

Man thats so wrong, what the heck do u think is happening to the allies in Iraq and A-stan. They get pounded by rpg-7s. It was said that the rpg-7 cant harm any western MBT. But they have learned it otherwise. Even he Abrahams can be destroyed, seriously harmed, by multi-rpg attacks. Obviously the rpg head has to have an anti-tank warhead. Why do you think loads of allied armour is carrying the "cages"?

Umm..
the most popular RPG-7 type seems to be HE, understandable as it's more usefull than AP in this current situation, regardless we've seen AT as well.

As a sidenote, we've used our LAVIIIs (Strykers) in Afghanistan for quite awhile, taken a good number of RPG hits and had good results with survivability.

We don't use slat "Cages", although we have additional armour panels on them.

[guest]

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[Canuck Farrier]

Guest have you seen any leos yet????

[ice55]

At the very least the LEO's are going to be able to help the LAV's and the infantry when dealing with compounds, not going to have to be an infantry attack to route them out. Should also help with convoy escort and road construction protection.

[Jeepix]

Photo from a friend in Khandahar

[signatory]

What's the height on those babies?

[janush]

2,62 meters

[Johnny_H02]

awsome pic ^

[Sidka]

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[JoeBlack23]

I want more pics....

[Canuck Farrier]

I want more pics....

word.......p-)

[Jagdtiger]

i think this little babies will kick ass!!!! atch out taliban!!

[Canuck Farrier]

i think this little babies will kick ass!!!! atch out taliban!!

Your god dam right their gonna kick ass.woot Theres a beef to settle today.

[ice55]

I wonder what this beasts name is??
If I am not mistaken is this the leopard C1
http://www.craigmarlatt.com/canada/images/security&defence/leopard.jpg


and this the Leopard C2
http://www.aviationwallpaper.com/2002/shearwater/2002_ej_Shea_054.jpg

But what is the name of the Canadian Leopard 1 with add on armor? and what is the armors name?

Thanks Roel

There is some information in this thread and here too: http://militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=90006

The armour is called MEXAS (or was if that is what is employed now) and the designation is the C2 in the Canadian Army.

[doomedllamaguy]

http://www.strathconas.ca/images/bsqn/first.jpgwhen is Canada get the c-17?

[Polyshot]

when is Canada get the c-17?

They didn't..... notice the USAF marking........

[Roy Batty]

They didn't..... notice the USAF marking........

I think he's asking when we are getting our C-17s and the answer is ...too long from now.

[Holmer]

What is the difference on some of the C2 Leopards with the straight skirting on the sides and the other C2s with A1 skirt look? Different armour type? Thx.

[Universe]

Ive been waiting ages to see it arrive in Afghanistan its a great tank.

[Ipkiss]

Next shooting season in Bergen-hohne (GER), the head of the Dutch combined forces General D. Berlijn will be visiting a night-fire exersise performed by Dutch Leopard 2a6's. Word is that they might be deployed for "surveillance" operations. Let's hope this plan gets through. I think that Kraus-maffei is very well-willing to back-up this mission. Also, airco packs for the Leo's are already in stock so they could be deployed on a very short notice.
So: Pzh2000, Fennek, Leo2. Let's bring all our costly goodies!

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[ex Strathcona]

What is the difference on some of the C2 Leopards with the straight skirting on the sides and the other C2s with A1 skirt look? Different armour type? Thx.

I think they are (correct me if i am wrong) the same C2 version but they have had an additional upgrade for the deployment to Afghanistan.
Of the 66 remaining Leopards in service i imagine that most of them still have the non upgraded hull and are being used for training in Canada. the 15 or so sent to Afghanistan may be the only ones with the new hull armour.

[ex Strathcona]

Next shooting season in Bergen-hohne (GER), the head of the Dutch combined forces General D. Berlijn will be visiting a night-fire exersise performed by Dutch Leopard 2a6's. Word is that they might be deployed for "surveillance" operations. Let's hope this plan gets through. I think that Kraus-maffei is very well-willing to back-up this mission. Also, airco packs for the Leo's are already in stock so they could be deployed on a very short notice.
So: Pzh2000, Fennek, Leo2. Let's bring all our costly goodies!

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3379/firewv6.th.jpg (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firewv6.jpg)

It would be fantastic to have some Leo 2s doing "surveillance" there. somthing about German made tanks... makes me all tingly inside.

[sp2c]

there will be a kabinet decision today about sending an extra company (two platoons = 160 men ... according our media, I'm calling it a reinforced company) but there's no talk about tanks at this point (rumours are raging around the campfires though!) just that these troops are trained in protection and surveillance

could mean tanks ... could mean anybody, including national reserve forces if you really wanted to :D

[Crazed Aussie]

agreed the leo will protect them well p-)

Its a pity the Aussie govt didn't send our old leo1s for the afghanis to use. Seems they just want to sell em off, cheap bastards. They'd be better employed on point duty around certain hotspots. Oh well.

[ex Strathcona]

Its a pity the Aussie govt didn't send our old leo1s for the afghanis to use. Seems they just want to sell em off, cheap bastards. They'd be better employed on point duty around certain hotspots. Oh well.

Sell them to my country then, the previous government foolishly misplaced about 40 of our tanks on the wrong end of some live fire ranges and lost a few to museums!

[sp2c]

well at least they didn't sell them all on the cheap to the Netherlands :D

[Canuck Farrier]

Sell them to my country then, the previous government foolishly misplaced about 40 of our tanks on the wrong end of some live fire ranges and lost a few to museums!

Theres a fine looking Leo at CFB Borden on display in the tank park.It looks brand new with the glossy paintjob.:)

[D-gin]

Theres a fine looking Leo at CFB Borden on display in the tank park.It looks brand new with the glossy paintjob.:)

Are you taking about this one...p-)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Leopard1_cfb_borden_2.JPG

[Canuck Farrier]

Thats the one D-gin, you been to Borden???!and to the leos right there's a big old Brit tank.

[D-gin]

absolutely you been to Borden???!and to the leos right there's a big old Brit tank.

No I haven't that photo is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_tank I'm trying to learn more on tanks and such at the moment so I'm doing a little surfing....p-)

P.S. How accurate is the info about the cdn Leo's from that site...?

[Armorboy]

What is the difference on some of the C2 Leopards with the straight skirting on the sides and the other C2s with A1 skirt look? Different armour type? Thx.

Yes, those straight small side skirts ("kettenblenden") are completely different from the previous version. Ceramics are used in the new one's. The last three plates are exactly the same as those used on LEO2A5/A6.

We don't have the bigger side modules on the side, but have the smaller one's all along the side (see Leopard1A5(BE) )

[Jeepix]

Throughout August 2006, while fighting in Panjwaii raged, DND strenuously denied reports that Leopard tanks were being considered for use in Afghanistan. Meanwhile, some of the CF’s 28-year old tanks were being reconditioned and B Sqn of Lord Strathcona’s Horse (Royal Canadians) trained for their deployment to Afghanistan at CFB Wainwright. On 29 Sept. 2006, the first Leopard C2 started its long trip to Kandahar.

The Leopard and a Taurus ARV (left) were loaded onto a leased Antonov (http://www.sfu.ca/casr/bg-airlift-an124.htm) for the 10,000km flight http://www.sfu.ca/casr/bg-afghan-leopard-4.jpg to Central Asia. In Kyrgyztan, the CF vehicles transferred to two USAF C-17s (http://www.sfu.ca/casr/bg-airlift-c17.htm) for delivery to Kandahar. The Taurus was publicly revealed first at KAF. When the Leo was shown, it was clad in the heavy armour.


Wisely, the CF has chosen to send over its heaviest armoured tanks first. This Leopard was one of 5-or-6 which received “medium” MEXAS up-armouring kits in the early ’90s. Thicker than standard composite plates [1], this armour extends glacis and turret sides, as well as filling in above the road wheels. MEXAS adds weight but will likely provide superior protection from IEDs and RPGs.[2]

http://www.sfu.ca/casr/bg-leopard-afghan.htm

[Jeepix]

They didn't..... notice the USAF marking........

Globemaster III – the ’Lifter from Long Beach
The C-17 is descended from McDonnell Douglas’ mid-1970s YC-15 designed to replace the Hercules. In the 1980s this design was resurrected to answer a new USAF CX (Cargo Experimental) requirement. Re-engined and enlarged, the impressive C-17 was meant to supply the USAF with a strategic airlifter which could carry more than a C-141 but also had tactical capabilities that were lacking in the C-5.[1]
http://www.sfu.ca/casr/bg-c17-2.jpg The C-17 is powered by military versions of the high-bypass turbofan engine used by the Boeing 757 jetliner. The designers at McDonnell Douglas also incorporated systems from their own DC-10 jetliners to try to curb costs. But, even by Cold War standards, the C-17s’ per unit costs were staggeringly high, delaying service entry until well after the 1990/1991 Gulf War.[2]

Boeing (McDonnell Douglas) C-17 — Specifications Powerplant: 4 x 185 kN P&W PW2040 (military F117) Cargo hold: volume 592 cubic metres Hold dimensions: 26.8m L x 5.5m W x 3.8m (max 4.1m) H Carrying capacity: max payload 77t (max gross takeoff 265t) Maximum range: 5185km (unrefuelled, with 72t payload) Ferry range: No cargo, maximum fuel supply 8710km Speed range: max cruise (low alt.) 833km/h (Mach .74)
Rough Fields and a STOL Performance
Like other strategic airlifters, the C-17 has a multi-wheeled undercarriage allowing it to operate from semi-prepared strips. The C-17 also has a host of high-lift devices – full-span leading edge slats and titanium- covered flaps ‘blown’ by engine exhaust. Once down on the ground, lift-dumping spoilers – deployed, above right – and engine thrust-reversers keep a C-17 down.
http://www.sfu.ca/casr/bg-c17-5.jpg http://www.sfu.ca/casr/bg-c17-6.jpg The C-17s are impressive aircraft and hands-down CF favourite. C-17s are also phenomenonally expensive – the USAF C-17A fleet averaged US$241M per aircraft. Constant US government pressure reduced that price slightly but these numbers vary depending on what is being counted. DND originally estimated the cost of 6 C-17s at $1-to-$1.6B.[3] But the cost given for the new Airlift Capability Program-Strategic is $3.4B for only 4 C-17s (or US$762.5M each) due to a 20 year maintenance deal. Current USAF C-17 unit cost is US$330.8M including training and spares.

http://www.sfu.ca/casr/bg-airlift-c17.htm

[soldier20]

http://www.strathconas.ca/images/bsqn/first.jpg

i would realy like to see the L1vs the latest M60 tank

[sp2c]

I bet the M60 crews aren't that anxcious :)

[Sidka]

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/netpub/server.np?original=16852&site=combatcamera&catalog=photos&aspect&width=530

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/netpub/server.np?original=17006&site=combatcamera&catalog=photos&aspect&width=530

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/netpub/server.np?original=16850&site=combatcamera&catalog=photos&aspect&width=530

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/netpub/server.np?original=16847&site=combatcamera&catalog=photos&aspect&width=530

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/netpub/server.np?original=16846&site=combatcamera&catalog=photos&aspect&width=530

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/netpub/server.np?original=16807&site=combatcamera&catalog=photos&aspect&width=530

Look like the friend who send you that picture is call Combatcamera.com :roll:

[gulogulo]

Will the Leo stay green?

I would love too see it in a light summer dress(desertcolour):)

[ice55]

Military places urgent parts order for tanks
Last Updated: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 | 8:03 AM ET
CBC News

An urgent order for spare parts has been placed for Canada's 25-year-old battle tanks being sent to Afghanistan to support anti-Taliban operations.

The military announced last month it would send the 15 Leopard C2 tanks to Afghanistan for the more than 2,000 Canadian soldiers in the Kandahar region.

A number of the tanks have already been shipped from Alberta.

Military officials have requested a long list of parts for the tanks, which haven't been in action since Kosovo in 1999. The list includes everything from nuts and washers, to firefighting and night-vision equipment.

Lt.-Col. Chris Lemay, a Canadian Forces spokesperson, says the parts are urgently needed.

"In the last years, the C2 Leopard tanks have been kept here in Canada, waiting for replacement," said Lemay. "So, therefore … we need to upgrade the number of spare parts that we have within the Canadian Forces at this time."

The Afghan mission is a new lease on life for Canada's Leopard tank fleet.

In 2003, the former Liberal government announced it would scrap the tanks and spend $600 million, to replace them with the Mobile Gun System, an eight-wheeled light armoured vehicle with a cannon mounted on top.

Brian MacDonald, a senior analyst with the Conference of Defence Associations, says it seems those plans are on hold.

"It appears now that we are going to go with the decision that we are going to continue with the main battle tank concept rather than going with the Mobile Gun System, which is really an assault gun rather than a main battle tank," he said.

Originally developed in Germany in the 1960s, Canada bought 127 Leopard tanks in 1978-79 and upgraded them. According to the Department of National Defence, the tank can remain in service until 2010.

[gulogulo]

Some danish Leopard 1A5....:)


http://www.howitzer.dk/vehicles/vehiclephoto/denmark/leopard1a5dk/Leopard1A5DK-UN/unleopard_9.jpg
http://www.howitzer.dk/vehicles/vehiclephoto/denmark/leopard1a5dk/Leopard1A5DK-UN/unleopard_8.jpg
http://www.howitzer.dk/vehicles/vehiclephoto/denmark/leopard1a5dk/Leopard1A5DK-UN/unleopard_7.jpg
http://www.howitzer.dk/vehicles/vehiclephoto/denmark/leopard1a5dk/Leopard1A5DKsfore.jpg
http://www.howitzer.dk/vehicles/vehiclephoto/denmark/leopard1a5dk/Leopard1A5DKsfora.jpg
http://www.howitzer.dk/vehicles/vehiclephoto/denmark/Oksboel180806/Leopard1A5DK/IMG_2362.jpg
http://www.howitzer.dk/vehicles/vehiclephoto/denmark/leopard1a5dk/Leopard1A5DKa.jpg

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[He219]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/militarypix/fresh/more/more/even%20more/AR2006-P022-0042.jpg

24 Oct 2006
Kandahar, Afghanistan
Leopard C2 tanks of Bravo Squadron (B Sqd), Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians) (LdSH (RC)) en route to the firing line at Tarnak Farm, south of Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan. The purpose of the range was to bore-site their main guns as part of the preparations to deploy as part of the Task Force 3-06 Battle Group (TF 3-06 BG). Task Force Afghanistan is part of Canada’s contribution to the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. This mission is about Canadians and their international partners helping Afghans rebuild their lives, their families, their communities and their nation. Canadian operations will work to improve the quality of life of Afghans by providing a secure environment in which Afghan society can recover from more than 25 years of conflict. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/militarypix/fresh/more/more/even%20more/AR2006-P022-0061.jpg

24 Oct 2006
Kandahar, Afghanistan
In support of Task Force Afghanistan, Leopard C2 tanks of Bravo Squadron (B Sqd), Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians) (LdSH (RC)) on the firing line at the range at Tarnak Farm, south of Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan. The tanks of B Sqn bore-sited and fired both their 105 millimetre main gun as well as their coaxial 7.62 millimetre machine guns. The range was part of work up training prior to deploying as part of the Task Force 3-06 Battle Group (TF 3-06 BG). Task Force Afghanistan is part of Canada’s contribution to the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. This mission is about Canadians and their international partners helping Afghans rebuild their lives, their families, their communities and their nation. Canadian operations will work to improve the quality of life of Afghans by providing a secure environment in which Afghan society can recover from more than 25 years of conflict. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/militarypix/fresh/more/more/AR2006-G035-0015.jpg

25 October 2006
Ma'Sum Ghar, Afghanistan
This Badger armoured vehicle is preparing the ground for run up position between the sweep done by the members of the 23 rd Engineer Suadron at the Forward Operating Base (FOB) Zettlemeyer.

[ice55]

Loving these pictures, can't wait to see some in action pics or videos of Timmy running for the hills!!

Post 400...woo hoo....but not exactly earth shattering.......feeling shame now...

[Sidka]

Dang He219 beat me :P

[sp2c]

those badgers would scare me even more then the leopards!

I think it's the dozer :)

[Canuck Farrier]

excellent photos thanks,besides dozing what other tasks can the badger perform.?Their a big vehiclep-)

[NorthOf45]

Will the Leo stay green?

I would love too see it in a light summer dress(desertcolour):)

I'm sure I read somewhere that they were to be painted desert tan. The ones pictured above training still look pretty green to me though.

[ex Strathcona]

excellent photos thanks,besides dozing what other tasks can the badger perform.?Their a big vehiclep-)

it also has a "back hoe" type arm that can do a lot of differant digging tasks.
more than likely it is loaded with all sorts of Combat engeneer "goodies" as well

[gulogulo]

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suck on it baby!!!

[RS_Leo1A5]

Some danish Leopard 1A5....:)
I don't know the exact Danish designation but those are not 1A5s! Those are clearly 1A3 turrets.

[Dark Avenger]

AFAIK the designation "A5" refers to fitting of the EMES-18 fire control system, the Danish tanks being the only welded-turret ones to get it. It seems the upgrade in capability merited the change of designation from "A3" to "A5".

[calimero2]

I don't know the exact Danish designation but those are not 1A5s! Those are clearly 1A3 turrets.

The Danish Leopard 1 A5DK is indeed a Leopard 1 A3DK (or ex-German A3/A4) that is fitted with the EMES 18 FCS. Most of the tanks in gulogulo's post are Leopard 1A5DK-1, additionally equipped with a search light, generator and A/C unit.

[gulogulo]

The Danish Leopard 1 A5DK is indeed a Leopard 1 A3DK (or ex-German A3/A4) that is fitted with the EMES 18 FCS. Most of the tanks in gulogulo's post are Leopard 1A5DK-1, additionally equipped with a search light, generator and A/C unit.

you're right..

[Sidka]

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/8701/is20061155gm6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The Leopard C2 tank departs Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan for a mission. The Leopard C2 tank provides direct and precise fire power, armoured protection, mobility, and other tactical advantages such as shock effect. The Leopard C2 also has improved ability to operate effectively at night and in poor visibility conditions on the battlefield.

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9502/is20061154nk6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

he Leopard C2 tank departs Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan for a mission. The Leopard C2 tank provides direct and precise fire power, armoured protection, mobility, and other tactical advantages such as shock effect. The Leopard C2 also has improved ability to operate effectively at night and in poor visibility conditions on the battlefield.

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/6290/is20061153xz4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The Leopard C2 tank departs Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan for a mission. The Leopard C2 tank provides direct and precise fire power, armoured protection, mobility, and other tactical advantages such as shock effect. The Leopard C2 also has improved ability to operate effectively at night and in poor visibility conditions on the battlefield.

http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/4113/is20061152wi2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The Leopard C2 tank departs Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan for a mission. The Leopard C2 tank provides direct and precise fire power, armoured protection, mobility, and other tactical advantages such as shock effect. The Leopard C2 also has improved ability to operate effectively at night and in poor visibility conditions on the battlefield.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/327/is20061151uk7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Members of Bravo Squadron, from the Lord StrathconaÕs Horse (Royal Canadian) (LdSH(RC)), based out of Edmonton, Alberta do their final checks before going on a mission with the Leopard C2 tanks at the Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan. The Leopard C2 tank provides direct and precise fire power, armoured protection, mobility, and other tactical advantages such as shock effect. The Leopard C2 also has improved ability to operate effectively at night and in poor visibility conditions on the battlefield.

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/1426/is20061150iw4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

A member of Bravo Squadron, from the Lord StrathconaÕs Horse (Royal Canadian) (LdSH(RC)), based out of Edmonton, Alberta do their final checks before going on a mission with the Leopard C2 tanks at the Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan. The Leopard C2 tank provides direct and precise fire power, armoured protection, mobility, and other tactical advantages such as shock effect. The Leopard C2 also has improved ability to operate effectively at night and in poor visibility conditions on the battlefield.

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/6227/is20061148mh7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Members of Bravo Squadron, from the Lord StrathconaÕs Horse (Royal Canadian) (LdSH(RC)), based out of Edmonton, Alberta load ammunition on the Leopard C2 tank before leaving the Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan. The Leopard C2 tank provides direct and precise fire power, armoured protection, mobility, and other tactical advantages such as shock effect. The Leopard C2 also has improved ability to operate effectively at night and in poor visibility conditions on the battlefield.

Source http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca

[Canuck Farrier]

nice photos thanks,anyone seen the movie The Beast,its a good one.The ruskies had a big machine gun on their tanks back then.

[ice55]

Got me another new desktop background....YIPPEE!!!

Looks like a paint job won't be required for those tanks after all.

[ArmedPacifist]

And to think, back in August someone called me a moron when I suggested that the Leopard was not totally mothballed, I guess I won that one.

[Canuck Farrier]

Is that for clearing mines and IED's on the front of the leo?
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9502/is20061154nk6.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

[guest]

It's for knocking down walls, fortifications ect..

Oh yea, it can help with mines too. ;)

[guest]

And to think, back in August someone called me a moron when I suggested that the Leopard was not totally mothballed, I guess I won that one.

That actually might have been me.

As recently as the spring, In the CF, the tank was dead.

And around that time.. I though the idea of tanks over here was stupid..

But then the summer came....

I think differently now...

[Sidka]

how you feel now m8?ave those baby behind you for cover

[lordroel]

ared the tanks to be in desert camo by nowe or ar the staying green.

[guest]

They are staying green.

There is no need for Tan.

Painting is harder than you think.. Vehicle paint is not the same stuff you get at the autoparts store.

It requires alot of work to scrape off the old, and re-paint, special equipment ect,

It's just not worth it.

(BTW, the UN white paint is cheap crap compared to "proper" paint. - I think it's actually waterbased)

(This according to maint techs.)


They turn "tan-ish" soon enough anyways.

This is not a pure "desert" enviroment as well,

[saigonsmuggler]

anyone knows what's in the C2's turret bustle?

[Bzzliteyr]

On the side of the turret in the picture? Camp cots.. for sleeping.

[ex Strathcona]

Is that for clearing mines and IED's on the front of the leo?
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9502/is20061154nk6.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)
its main function is a mine plow, but i imagine it could be used as a battering ram as well :)

[ex Strathcona]

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http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/6227/is20061148mh7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Source [URL]http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca

can any one name that ammo type? it looks suspiciously like a canister round but i thought those were out of the system

[Evil Homer]

I'ts a HESH round...

High Explosive Squash Head

Yellow + Black = Anti-tank;)

[Dark Avenger]

...or HEP (High Explosive Plastic) in American terminology.

[ex Strathcona]

I'ts a HESH round...

High Explosive Squash Head

Yellow + Black = Anti-tank;)

i think i need to visit the eye doctor :(

but HESH will get the job done

[I_hate_posers]

Like many things the genius's in Ottawa wanted to get rid of, it took operations in Afghanistan to prove their effectiveness in our army. They were looking at getting rid of the .50 BMG, 60mm mortar and the M72.

[guest]

Like many things the genius's in Ottawa wanted to get rid of, it took operations in Afghanistan to prove their effectiveness in our army. They were looking at getting rid of the .50 BMG, 60mm mortar and the M72.


That is so true.

I've met plenty of guys who were on course over the last few years who had zero exposure to the .50.. (except for a few naval guys)

Let's hope, in 5 years time.. the lessons will have been learned, and retained.

[saigonsmuggler]

Like many things the genius's in Ottawa wanted to get rid of, it took operations in Afghanistan to prove their effectiveness in our army. They were looking at getting rid of the .50 BMG, 60mm mortar and the M72.
Oh, but they were gonna replace the LAW with something like the AT-4 right?

[guest]

anyone knows what's in the C2's turret bustle?

Dude.. those are my **** DVDs.

Seriously, I think it's gear stowage?

Storage for rounds???

(I dunno..)

Where's Buzz or Ex-Strath.. they'd know.

[saigonsmuggler]

Dude.. those are my **** DVDs.

Seriously, I think it's gear stowage?

Storage for rounds???

(I dunno..)

Where's Buzz or Ex-Strath.. they'd know.
I thought it was for rounds too but a close-up pic showed separation lines (side to side) across the bustle area, so I don't think that's for main gun rounds. Could be wrong though.

Maybe gear? but what kind of gear?

[Canuck Farrier]

Does any other country have tanks in Afghanistan?The Leos look hungry for some taliban.

[sp2c]

nope, for now they are the only tanks in theathre besides the Afghans

[Canuck Farrier]

nope, for now they are the only tanks in theathre besides the Afghans

I though I read a article on the Netherlands possibly deploying leos to afghanistan.btw what time is it there out of plain curiosity??8:20pm here

[Ripcord]

With the Arty guys and now Armored it is going to feel a hell of a lot safer over there.

Even though Timmy has faced armor before, you tell me how safe you feel hideing behind a wall or in a house when you hear those tanks roll up. :)

[ex Strathcona]

Dude.. those are my **** DVDs.

Seriously, I think it's gear stowage?

Storage for rounds???

(I dunno..)

Where's Buzz or Ex-Strath.. they'd know.

i spent most of my time in Recce with only a few years in "the Boats" as we called the Cougars, so i can only make an educated guess but i think that the turret bustle does have some Ammo storage ability.

[Daniel San]

For your viewing pleasure, fresh raw footage from the CF combat camera of the Leopards in Kandahar. Nice view of a convoy of Leopards, LAV, Taurus and APV (Nyala).

http://www.youtube.com/v/Rab8cxw1YfM

[Eggy]

Awesome! Thanks alot Daniel San, wax on wax off. ;)

[Hellfish]

If I'm not mistaken, this is the first time Leopards will ever see combat, right?

[Daniel San]

Hellfish, I believe you are right, the Leopard has never seen combat. Better late than never...

[Sixpints]

'Just luv the sound of panzer rolling by!

Thanks for posting!

[zulu261]

If I'm not mistaken, this is the first time Leopards will ever see combat, right?

German Leopard 2 tanks were involved in the Kosovo war but I dont know if theay had work to do.

The Leos will do fine, they always did fine :D

[zulu261]

Hellfish, I believe you are right, the Leopard has never seen combat. Better late than never...

Is combat really good to see? Actually I know what you mean, but one is torn apart...

[lordroel]

i toughd the danish leo did some action in bosnia

[Eggy]

i toughd the danish leo did some action in bosnia
Yes Danish Leopard 1s got in a big fight in Bosnia.



"The Mouse Ate the Cat": After Action
And the Danish tank had caused casualties. During the 2 hours of fighting, they fired a total of 72 105 mm rounds, of which 44 were brisant, 9 phosphor and 19 armour piercing. It was later clear that the previously mentioned last grenade had hit an unprotected ammunition supply that caused huge explosions – and probably a large number of casualties.
Shortly after the clash, the Bosnian Serbs reported the loss of 9 men. But other sources estimate it to around 150 soldiers having been killed and a similar number wounded. The Danes themselves suffered no casualties, although Møller got himself a "long-distance-shave " by a fragment, and one of the vehicles was actually hit. Right after the incident, there was wide concern that it would escalate attacks on the UN-forces in Croatia and Bosnia, especially from the Bosnian Serbs.


http://www.milhist.dk/post45/boellebank/boellebank_uk.htm

[Bzzliteyr]

If the question about stowage was about the rear turret bins, they stow mostly personal kit and PHL. Sometimes we pack a few ninjas just in case....

[lordroel]

well i think the can leo are to top that but hoply the dont need to fire a single shot during thier prencence in afganistan.

[ed316]

Has the Leos been in tank on tank battles?

[saigonsmuggler]

in the vid, I think the tanker loading the rounds inside the tank was stuffing them into the hull main ammo bins to the left of the driver. Is that right?

You can also see the open ready rack for main gun rounds on the turret floor. Looking like Talibs gonna get to see hesh soon.. :)

[saigonsmuggler]

If the question about stowage was about the rear turret bins, they stow mostly personal kit and PHL. Sometimes we pack a few ninjas just in case....
thanks Buzz.

In the 1A5 turret, they mentioned of lengthening the turret bustle for more main ammo stowage. The idea was to lessen the number of rounds storing in the hull next to the driver. Is this true?

[gulogulo]

Does the canadian LEO1 C2 have the Hunter-Killer capability as most modern MBT's...??

[ice55]

Great video......thanks for posting, betting the Danish troops and the British troops are going to see this and be asking for theirs soon!!

[Armorboy]

thanks Buzz.

In the 1A5 turret, they mentioned of lengthening the turret bustle for more main ammo stowage. The idea was to lessen the number of rounds storing in the hull next to the driver. Is this true?

No, at my knowledge it was only to compensate for the loss of space compared to the previous 1A3 turrets

[Armorboy]

Does the canadian LEO1 C2 have the Hunter-Killer capability as most modern MBT's...??

No, still the optical 360° panoramic Cmdr sight, as all Leo1A5 versions.

[homerjsimpson94]

NVM posted

[ex Strathcona]

that vid made me all tingly inside.
i forget sometimes just how big a LAV III is untill i see one close to a Leo and then you notice that it is quite a bit bigger that the previous generation of LAVs.

[Crazed Aussie]

Great Vid Daniel San. Luv the growl of these cats, but i'm thinking Taliban won't be happy to hear 'em, much less catch sight of that main gun bearing down on them. :) .

[Sidka]

http://www.strathconas.ca/images/bsqn/leofire.jpg

[Assaulter_KFOR99]

hey buzz you should come out west this spring for work up I will let you be my Crew Commander LOLrofl


Or my driver we can put the track back on in the desert instead of the snow behind monument wood.

I hate to say it but the majority of the DVRs going over next summer are noobs doing there training as we speak same as gunners LOL what a state the CF more so the Armoured Corps is in.

[soldier20]

whats the point in bringing the L1 to afghan any way the enemy there has no mbt's there or do they is that the reason why yous are takeng it to afghan

[Mithras]

whats the point in bringing the L1 to afghan any way the enemy there has no mbt's there or do they is that the reason why yous are takeng it to afghan

I believe they are going to be used for convoy duty and to blow holes into mud huts and walls (among other things).

[Bzzliteyr]

They are going over to do what they are supposed to do. Combine with the infantry and work together to increase efficiency and to support each other. Ask most infanteers, if they had the choice they'd rather have a tank rolling up the street or across the fields with them than be alone on the battlefield.

Kfor, are you who I think you are? I showed you how to drive while I practically put the track back on...alone?

[VanLeeuwen]

German Leopard 2 tanks were involved in the Kosovo war but I dont know if theay had work to do.

The Leos will do fine, they always did fine :D

I oncd saw a video of a German Leo perforating some car in Bosnia or Kosovo, they did not use the main gun, but only the MG, there were gunmen in the car shooting at some German Inf. too bad for the stupid idiots in the car, they had a tank with them, the car was shot up until it caught fire, only one person survived but was heavily wounded (he was "lucky".)

[VanLeeuwen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=687Eusnrxfk

here it is ^^

[zulu261]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=687Eusnrxfk

here it is ^^

The MG3 you hear is fired by a soldier way back behind the tank. the Leo wasnt manned that time, I dont know why. It was heavily discussed here on MP.net.

[ex Strathcona]

whats the point in bringing the L1 to afghan any way the enemy there has no mbt's there or do they is that the reason why yous are takeng it to afghan


Why do people always assume that tanks are not used for anything other than fighting other tanks?

If we were concerned about the Taliban having armour we could deal with it far better with close air support or our TUA LAVs.

Tanks were invented for, and still are best suited to, making infantry poo their pants and keep their heads down so they can not put up an effective defense. In MUTUAL SUPPORT of friendly Infantry they can then mount Quick attacks and destroy the enemy. Fighting enemy tanks is a secondary role.

[saigonsmuggler]

Not necessarily so for all. The M1 was designed to close with and destroy enemy armors. This was its numero uno design criteria.

I would also venture to say that the Rheinmetall 120mm gun was designed to be an anti-armor weapon as its principal goal.

[ex Strathcona]

Not necessarily so for all. The M1 was designed to close with and destroy enemy armors. This was its numero uno design criteria.

I would also venture to say that the Rheinmetall 120mm gun was designed to be an anti-armor weapon as its principal goal.

certainly tanks have been developed more and more with fighting other tanks in mind since the mid point of WWII but that is still not what they were invented for back in WWI, nor is it what they do best, A10s and Apache gunships do it much much better.
Tanks use mobility, fire power and ...shock action to overwhelm a defensive position better than any other weapon we have. and that is why they are in Afghanistan.

[saigonsmuggler]

If killing another tank is not what modern tanks do best, I'd imagine then that the Western tank's canon would not be designed to be so biased toward anti-armor. There's a saying in the armor community that the best anti-tank weapon is another tank. Though I am sure some people would dispute that notion.

You mentioned of A-10s and Apaches. Apaches did great in GW '91. They were a disappointment in Kosovo. In OIF, after one disastrous deep strike by Long Bows, the Army pretty much canned any potential deep strike by Apaches without supporting assets (such as fixed wings). The Marines have also followed suit.

A-10s have been great at killing tanks in '91. It did not do so great in Kosovo. Kosovo has shown the some armies have become very adept at camouflaging and hiding their armors. In OIF, there were some instances where sandstorms blocked the use of air assets for a few days near Baghdad. In these situations, you'd need your ground elements to defend against armors.

I agree though that armor's objective has been shifting from infantry support in WWII to anti-tank, and now, with the Red Hordes gone and the war on terror in full swing, maybe starting to swing back a little to infantry support and urban fighting (new M1028 canister, M830A2 with sensing fuse and more frags).

[ex Strathcona]

If killing another tank is not what modern tanks do best, I'd imagine then that the Western tank's canon would not be designed to be so biased toward anti-armor. There's a saying in the armor community that the best anti-tank weapon is another tank. Though I am sure some people would dispute that notion.

You mentioned of A-10s and Apaches. Apaches did great in GW '91. They were a disappointment in Kosovo. In OIF, after one disastrous deep strike by Long Bows, the Army pretty much canned any potential deep strike by Apaches without supporting assets (such as fixed wings). The Marines have also followed suit.

A-10s have been great at killing tanks in '91. It did not do so great in Kosovo. Kosovo has shown the some armies have become very adept at camouflaging and hiding their armors. In OIF, there were some instances where sandstorms blocked the use of air assets for a few days near Baghdad. In these situations, you'd need your ground elements to attack armors.

I agree though that armor's objective has been shifting from infantry support in WWII to anti-tank, and now, with the Red Hordes gone and the war on terror in full swing, maybe starting to swing back to infantry support and urban fighting, as seen in some new anti-personnel rounds for the 120mm gun.

i think at this point we are agreeing with each other more than we are disagreeing, i would just add that when conditions are poor for air support such as dust storms or fog or just plain horrible weather and the Tank is then without question the best option. Those same terrible conditions also affect the Crews ability to identify and engage the target before they are in turn engage by the bad guys.

[Canuck Farrier]

Enemy Infantry in some cases pose just as big of threat as a MBT.

[Daniel San]

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Leopard C2 Tanks of B Squadron (B Sqn) 1 Royal Canadian Regiment Battle Group (1 RCR BG) roll out of their tank park in Kandahar Airfield (KAF) to conduct security tasks on Highway 4 in Kandahar Province.
Photo Capt Edward Stewart

[Canuck Farrier]

nice photos thanks.

[Assaulter_KFOR99]

still there for me

[Armorboy]

Nice pictures!!
On the far left in the first photo, you can see how the modules are attached to the turret. Probably they had to remove a module for some repairwork in the egine compartment?

[GilbertDK]

Hellfish, I believe you are right, the Leopard has never seen combat. Better late than never...

you are incorrect.
A squadron (10 vehicles) of Danish Leopard 1A5 DK saw combat in Bosnia on april 29th, 1994, when serb forces lured them into an ambush. It was estimated that the serb had more than 100 casualties (injured and killed), while the danish leopard tanks survived with no casualties and only one tank being hit.. by a smoke shell...

Also, several smaller skirmishes occured prior and after that event.

So saying that the Leo 1 tank have never seen combat is incorrect.

http://www.milhist.dk/post45/boellebank/sneleopard.jpg

[Daniel San]

you are incorrect.
A squadron (10 vehicles) of Danish Leopard 1A5 DK saw combat in Bosnia on april 27th, 1994, when serb forces lured them into an ambush. It was estimated that the serb had more than 100 casualties (injured and killed), while the danish leopard tanks survived with no casualties and only one tank being hit.. by a smoke shell...

Also, several smaller skirmishes occured prior and after that event.

So saying that the Leo 1 tank have never seen combat is incorrect.

It was brought to my knowledge a few pages ago, but thanks for correcting me! :)

[GilbertDK]

oh, i didnt see that post... my bad

however, you can even read about it on Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_B%C3%B8llebank

[D-gin]

More Hotness from Afghanistan.

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/7364/dscn0006ub7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



Personnel from B Squadron (B Sqn) 1st Royal Canadian Regiment Battle Group (1 RCR BG) conduct maintenance tasks on their Leopard C2 tanks. The work is being done in the tank park at Kandahar Airfield (KAF). Joint Task Force Afghanistan is part of Canada’s contribution to the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. This mission is about Canadians and their international partners helping Afghans rebuild their lives, their families, their communities and their nation. Canadian operations will work to improve the quality of life of Afghans by providing a secure environment in which Afghan society can recover from more than 25 years of conflict. The Canadian Forces (CF) contribution in Afghanistan comprises about 2,300 soldiers, most of whom serve with Task Force Afghanistan at Kandahar Airfield and Camp Nathan Smith in Kandahar City. Additional personnel are assigned to Kabul, various military headquarters, and civilian organizations.


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Leopard C2 Tanks of Bravo Squadron (B Sqn) 1st Royal Canadian Regiment Battle Group (1 RCR BG) conduct security tasks on Highway 4 south of Kandahar City, Afghanistan. Joint Task Force Afghanistan is part of Canada’s contribution to the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. This mission is about Canadians and their international partners helping Afghans rebuild their lives, their families, their communities and their nation. Canadian operations will work to improve the quality of life of Afghans by providing a secure environment in which Afghan society can recover from more than 25 years of conflict. The Canadian Forces (CF) contribution in Afghanistan comprises about 2,300 soldiers, most of whom serve with Task Force Afghanistan at Kandahar Airfield and Camp Nathan Smith in Kandahar City. Additional personnel are assigned to Kabul, various military headquarters, and civilian organizations.

[Hellfish]

Very nice pics!

Stupid question - do the Leos have special track pads for road use? Do they even need them? I'd hate to think that those nice new Afghan roads would get torn up again.

[D-gin]

Very nice pics!

Stupid question - do the Leos have special track pads for road use? Do they even need them? I'd hate to think that those nice new Afghan roads would get torn up again.
I was wondering that myself.....?

[saigonsmuggler]

yeah they have rubber pads, screwed into the steel tracks. though I think that tanks are bad for roads anyway because of weight.

that highway is very nice, looks just like any other US highway thru town. Thanks for the nice pics!!

[Bzzliteyr]

The track pads on the Diehl track are held in place by a sort of barb clip system. The crew hammers them in when they need replacing (usually long before the actual track itself is considered "used"). It is also the same way that we place grousers (x shaped metal track pads) during the winter. We use pry bars to remove the old, used pads and then place the new ones in their spots.

http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/tracks/diehl/

http://www.diehl-remscheid.com/

The actual ground pressure of a leopard track is not much more than a human if I remember correctly.

[gulogulo]

This most be the coolest LEO 1 in world. All it need's is a BOFORS LEMUR sight with a M2 HMG for the commander..p-)


LEMUR

Modern systems for ground and naval operations must be able to operate in different levels of conflict. From peacekeeping operations where the LEMUR™ is used for surveillance, firing warning shots, law enforcement missions against pirates and smugglers, and finally full war conditions where the LEMUR™ is a vital part of the carriers’ self-defence and engagement against ground, surface and aerial targets. LEMUR™ is a family of gyro-stabilized fragment protected, electro-optical sights and Remotely Controlled (RC) weapon systems. The flexible modular design allows LEMUR™ to be customized for a large variety of requirements. It can be used in a number of applications on different types of platforms:
• Fire control system against ground and air targets
• Sight and designator for missile control
• Commander’s sight
• Forward observer instrument
• Remotely controlled weapon station and with optional launchers for countermeasures. As an panoramic platform LEMUR™ can be fitted with various types of sensors, such as CCD camera, thermal imager, laser rangefinder, laser designator and missile sight. The sensor configuration depends on the use and customer’s requirements. The armoured cover protects against fragments and small-arms fire. The LEMUR™ SW is a combined EO Director with a complete Fire Control System and a Remotely Controlled Weapon Station with independent line of sight (elevation) in the same mount. The On-Mount weapon can be used in a variety of tasks, such as engaging small surface and air threats in all levels of conflict. LEMUR™ SW can be used as the main FCS or as an alternative redundant FCS for Ground and Naval carriers. It is designed to match Bofors 40 and57 mm or other guns. LEMUR™ has full capability to handle the programmable 3P all-target ammunition. The programming is controlled via the MMI and with customer defined firing doctrines. The Electro-Optical platform houses tracking and ranging sensors, LRF, TVC and IRC.The sight with Fire Control Computer comprises a complete FCS. The FCS provides interfaces to the carriers navigation system, navigation radar or/and surveillance radar. The FCS handles different types of designation and co-ordinate systems.


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[Canuck Farrier]

nice photos thanks,I like the scorpion they painted on the turret in first photop-) .

[Daniel San]

Very nice pics D-Gin, thanks for sharing! In the top left corner of the first pic posted by D-Gin, you can see an M113 with a remote operated turret, or at least there seems to be one under that wrap. Also, my eyes being unexperienced, is it me or does it look like it is fitted with bolted-on armour?

Anyone knows what the airhorn is for (on the turret of the foremost tank), apart from making noise?

Edit: can you spot 2 Tim Hortons cups?

[saigonsmuggler]

The actual ground pressure of a leopard track is not much more than a human if I remember correctly.
Oh yeah you are right - looked it up. Thanks!

[Daniel San]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18310&stc=1&d=1165088440



A Canadian tank rolls through the Panjwaii District in Afghanistan on Saturday. (CP/Bill Graveland)


Canadian tanks deployed in combat situation for 1st time since Korean War
Published: Saturday, December 2, 2006 | 12:32 PM ET
Canadian Press: BILL GRAVELAND
PANJWAII, Afghanistan (CP) - It's the reason they're called "rolling thunder."

The throaty roar of engines announcing the approach of the squadron of Canadian Leopard tanks could be heard from kilometres away as they emerged from the mist and rain Saturday to back up ground troops in the war-torn Panjwaii district.

The 42-tonne monsters left Kandahar Airfield under the cover of darkness early Saturday morning in the first combat deployment of Canadian tanks since the Korean War.

Hours later they rolled down the streets of the village of Panjwaii in an impressive show of force on their way to the nearby forward operating base, or FOB.

Residents of Panjwaii, hearing the rumble of the metal tracks biting into the concrete, rushed from their homes to watch the biggest display of firepower since their war with the Soviets in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

It also caused excitement at the FOB. Battle weary troops, who have been fighting the Taliban on a regular basis, couldn't contain their glee.

"Merry Christmas to the Taliban," said one soldier.

"It's time to open a can of whuppass," said another.

The tank crews, members of Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians) armoured regiment based in Edmonton, were excited to be finally joining the fight.

"This is definitely going to send a serious message to the Taliban," said Trooper Ian MacDougall, 30, of Burlington, Ont.

"Everybody likes the tanks. It's the first combat deployment since Korea. It's pretty interesting to be part of that."

Military officials will only say the Leopard tanks are there to "augment" the efforts of the Battle Group in this region, surrounded by mountains, fields of opium poppies and marijuana and a former stronghold of the Taliban.

Moving the tanks through the village was no accident.

"I'm confident the sign of the tanks showing up will represent to the people around here and probably the Taliban as well the resolve of the coalition to bring security to this area," said Maj. Trevor Cadieu, 33, of Vernon, B.C., commander of the squadron.

"Introducing the Leopard tank into this theatre will certainly beef up our firepower and protection. We're dealing largely with an insurgent threat that chooses to fight us with small arms and RPGs (rocket propelled grenades)."

"We have that ability to reach out to several kilometres with a 105-millimetre cannon," he added.

Trooper Matt Dube, 25, of Montreal said he saw a few smiles on the faces of the residents of Panjwaii and has hopes his squadron will ultimately making a difference in the region.

"It's going to be great because we're really going to help them solve this problem once and for all," Dube said with a smile. "I think we will do great here and eventually peace will come back to this region."

"We're finally going to do our job."

Cadieu said it's been tough sitting on the sidelines while the fighting was going on in Panjwaii.

"It's been a long journey for this squadron and we've been in Afghanistan now for about a month so these soldiers are extremely motivated to join the fight with the Battle Group and to be able to contribute to any operations here," added Cadieu.

"It is historic. The Strathconas have had tanks deployed to Kosovo but it is the first time tanks have been deployed in combat operations since Korea," he said.

And while the remains of Soviet tanks still sit rusting in the village and surrounding area, these tanks are suited for the mountainous terrain said the commander.

"The terrain here isn't bad at all for tanks. We just conducted a move over 60 or 70 kilometres. We started this move with the whole squadron, we finished the move with the whole squadron," added Cadieu.

Dube said the Taliban won't know what hit them when they eventually go toe-to-toe with the Leopards.

"Nothing on the ground right now can compare to this. This is ten times more powerful than anything on the ground," said Dube.

"I mean 25-millimetre guns on LAVs (light armoured vehicles) is the biggest thing we have right now. This is bigger. This is stronger."

Canada spent C$200 million upgrading the Leopard tanks and improving their armour. It cost $1 million apiece to transport 15 of the tanks, which each have a four-member crew, from their base at Wainwright, Alta., to the Kandahar base.

[Canuck Farrier]

good read thanks.I cant imagine their excitement.

[Daniel San]

Can't get enough of those cats!

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18311&stc=1&d=1165089824

[Sebastian]

Edit: can you spot 2 Tim Hortons cups?

There sitting on the turrent of the back Leopard with the four soldiers ontop, behind the M113.:)

[Jagdtiger]

nice pics these cats rock

[-CROAT-SOLDIER-]

Heres's a pretty good video of the Leopard's in Afghanistan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rab8cxw1YfM

Can someone tell me how to embed properly? Thanks.

[Daniel San]

The video has already been posted earlier in the thread (page 11). But thanks for bringing it up.

[Daniel San]

More news from the beasts :

Cdn tanks fire in battle for 1st time in 50 years
Updated Sun. Dec. 3 2006 12:57 PM ET

Associated Press

MA'SUM GHAR, Afghanistan -- Canadian tanks fired their cannons in battle for the first time in half a century Sunday, replying to a Taliban rocket attack on their forward operating base.

The squadron of Leopard Tanks arrived at the base Saturday, rolling through the nearby village of Panjwaii with an impressive show of force for local citizens and the Taliban.

The Taliban obviously noticed. Two rebel rockets landed near the base at twilight Sunday, shattering the relative calm with a loud explosions. Canadian troops responded with two mortar bombs, the flash on the mountain top clearly visible from below in the fading light.

Then, at 5:10 p.m. local time, a Canadian tank fired its first shot in combat in five decades. It was followed by a second blast at the Taliban a few moments later, the boom of the 105-millimetre cannon echoing off the rocks.

"They know we're here ... (and) we think they're somewhat nervous of us,'' said Cpl. Andrew Baird, 23, of Parry Sound, Ont., who arrived with the squadron on Saturday. "I think it surprised them that we arrived and we're here now and we're here to stay.''

"The Taliban refer to the tanks as the superbeast. They used to refer to the Russian attacks as beasts and we're called the superbeasts now.''

The squadron made little attempt to hide its arrival and a few of the Leopards left on patrol to a local strongpoint early Sunday morning.

Their first target was an abandoned grape drying hut with metre-thick mud walls said to have the resiliency of bullet-proof armour.

But against the tank guns, the hut never had a chance. A line of Leopards took turns firing rounds at the hut, the sound of the shots surprisingly quiet considering the damage that was being inflicted.

The shells punched holes through the mud walls and blew the roof off in a dramatic plume of smoke and dust.

Sunday's foray by the tanks was their first into a countryside dotted with marijuana fields and small villages. Canadian casualties have been high here due to attacks by suicide bombers. The arrival of the armoured giants is a morale boost for everyone.

"It does bring a few things to the table. The Battle Group is extremely well-equipped and prepared for their mission,'' said Maj. Trevor Cadieu, commander of B-Squadron.

"We're here to augment it with increased fire capability. We have the ability to reach out and touch up to several kilometres,'' he added.

The initial euphoria brought on by the arrival of the squadron subsided a little Sunday as members of the tank squadron settled into life at the camp and did maintenance on the vehicles after travelling the 70-kilometre route from Kandahar Airfield.

"The soldiers are extremely pumped,'' acknowledged Cadieu. "We're looking forward to the challenges that this operation is going to bring to the squadron and to the Battle Group.''

Cadieu declined to disclose the military's plans for the Leopards other than to say they would be "used as required.''

Members of the squadron were relieved to finally arrive in the Panjwaii district after waiting for a month in Kandahar. Cpl. Gerri-Anne Davidson, 24, of Penticton, B.C., a gunner, wasn't quite sure what to expect but knows the tanks arrival will make a difference.

"Being out here for the rest of the military that's out here, that's the thing,'' Davidson said. "People would say to me, so when are the tanks going to come out? They were all anxious to have the tanks come out here and give them a hand.''

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[Daniel San]

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[Canuck Farrier]

Excellent Video, you tha man.! I love the sound of those leos rumbling down the road.

[Crazed Aussie]

Yes sir terry taliban has every right to be quite worried. These are not russian conscripts, nor are they using second rate equipment. If i was a talib i'd re-think my battle strategy - quickly, you won't get a second chance with these cats. Good vid Daniel San thanks. Can't wait to here how these fine young people assert some law & order, and get the reconstruction tasks on track, hope the folks there appreciate the sacrifice as well as the folks back home. Good Luck Canucks.

[Eggy]

During a training a Leopard ran over a old Russian mine, not much damage aside from a busted track.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8594/leometmijnenpechnc3.jpg

[nullterm]

-CROAT-SOLDIER-'s video...

http://www.youtube.com/v/Rab8cxw1YfM

[homerjsimpson94]

Eggy: Any more info on this?

[Eggy]

Eggy: Any more info on this?
It was part of a blog message of a Dutch soldier based on KAF. The message was dated with 22nd of november. Apparently they were doing some drills in the "safe zone" and ran over an old mine. Nothing else is mentioned on the incident.

[ice55]

Great videos guys, thanks. Hoping to see some footage of that engagement at some time, you have to imagine CTV, CBC and Global all have crews with them.

[Pte.Shrubb]

I know one of the members in the canadian tank crew who ran over the land mine in Afghanistan. They were conducting drills in a 'safe' area when the tank ran over an anti tank mine left from the soviet war. All the crew members were ok. The damage to the tank wasn't substantial at all, it only blew parts of the track off, blew off a couple of road wheels and the return wheels. But all is good now, the tank is now back in service after a little bit of welding and new parts. I may post a picture depending on whether the personnel involved care or not. If there are any questions just PM me.

[homerjsimpson94]

It was part of a blog message of a Dutch soldier based on KAF. The message was dated with 22nd of november. Apparently they were doing some drills in the "safe zone" and ran over an old mine. Nothing else is mentioned on the incident.

Thanks Eggy!, BTW would you happen to have the link to the blog post? :-)

[Eggy]

Thanks Eggy!, BTW would you happen to have the link to the blog post? :-)
I'm sorry I don't have the direct link to the blog but there is one site that collects all these tidbits from soldiers blogs and posts them on a weekly bases, the above incident is mentioned here:
http://oruzgan.web-log.nl/uruzgan_weblog/veldpost/index.html

[homerjsimpson94]

I'm sorry I don't have the direct link to the blog but there is one site that collects all these tidbits from soldiers blogs and posts them on a weekly bases, the above incident is mentioned here:
http://oruzgan.web-log.nl/uruzgan_weblog/veldpost/index.html

Once again Eggy, Thanks! :-)

[guest]

Here's what the Zipperheads REALLY do..

Timmie Force Protection

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2783/timsqa8.th.jpg (http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=timsqa8.jpg)

;)

[ex Strathcona]

Here's what the Zipperheads REALLY do..

Timmie Force Protection

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2783/timsqa8.th.jpg (http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=timsqa8.jpg)

;)

you have to admit though, it takes some fine driving skill to get the Leo through the drive through with out taking the Tim Horton's with it. :)

[Daniel San]

NEW PICS!

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/netpub/server.np?original=18730&site=combatcamera&catalog=photos&aspect&width=800 (http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/netpub/server.np?original=18730&site=combatcamera&catalog=photos&download)

A Leopard C2 tank moving at Forward Operating Base (FOB) Ma'Sum Ghar.

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A Leopard tank and Light Armoured Vehicle (LAV III) provide security while occupying an Observation Post (OP) at Forward Operating Base (FOB) Ma'Sum Ghar.

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Canadian Leopard C2 tanks and their crews stand-by as a Blackhawk helicopter takes-off from Forward Operating Base (FOB) Ma'Sum Ghar near the town of Bazaar-e-Panjwayi.

[Roy Batty]

A few new ones

http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/7218/soldier7as0.jpg

http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/4161/soldier5wr3.jpg

Love those cats :D

[Universe]

Same but I prefer the look of the Leopard 2 A6 EX over the C2 :P

Wish I could drive those Leopard C2's :)

[Canuck Farrier]

A few new ones

http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/7218/soldier7as0.jpg

http://img274.imageshack.us/img274/4161/soldier5wr3.jpg

Love those cats :D

Nice photos,In the 2nd photo right under the main gun is that a sweet spot for an RPG or ATweapons when the gun is elevated.

[Bzzliteyr]

It is still armoured under there.. I have full confidence in these kitties over there. And not to brag.. but I CAN drive them.. fully qualified, gunner, loader and driver! Hehe

[Canuck Farrier]

It is still armoured under there.. I have full confidence in these kitties over there. And not to brag.. but I CAN drive them.. fully qualified, gunner, loader and driver! Hehe

Say if you look at a Leo from the enemys point of view where would you hit it.?I realize it depends on the weaponry available.Just curious I dont know alot about anti armor tactics and shot placement.

[ex Strathcona]

Say if you look at a Leo from the enemys point of view where would you hit it.?I realize it depends on the weaponry available.Just curious I dont know alot about anti armor tactics and shot placement.

i hate to sound like an Op Sec Nazi but i don't think that information should be posted.
to tel you the truth though, i don't think the Taliban have a man portable system that can kill a Leo. and that is my "Official" answer.

[Ipkiss]

Well everybody knows the point between turret and hull is one of every tank's major weak point. But I seriously doubt that the tali's are such good qualified gunners. RPG's are not very accurate.
I do envy those guys, I don't think the new centre-left government of the Netherlands (under construction) will ever send our magnificent Leo 2a6's over there. btw I'm qualified loader, driver, gunner, and near the completion of tank platoon co..

[Roy Batty]

Tanks add muscle

Engaged in first contact since Korean War

By DOUG BEAZLEY

It's not the fighting that wears you down. It's the waiting to fight.

The men in B Squadron Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians) out of Edmonton have been waiting long enough. Their unit has been waiting since the Korean War to test out Canadian heavy armour in honest-to-God combat.

They were waiting two weeks at Kandahar Airfield after hitting Afghan dirt around mid-October - for parts, and for orders.

HOLDING PATTERN

"We kinda went into a holding pattern there. Not sure why," said Capt. Mark Lubiniecki, the squad's battle captain.

"After Op Medusa (in September) everybody realized this wasn't the war we expected. It was turning into World War Two-type combat, with fixed positions occupied by the Taliban, kill zones, ambush areas. Difficult ground, too ... a lot of irrigation ditches and wadis."
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Maybe it was that shift in NATO tactics - from light to heavy - that slowed the coalition bureaucracy down. Or maybe it was the perception that tanks were an early-20th century contraption unsuited for the ebb and flow of "asymmetrical" guerrilla-style warfare.

Whatever. The Canadian Leopards put a full stop to the debate the very day they rolled into Forward Operating Base Ma'sum Ghar two weeks ago. An insurgent rocket whistled into the base from somewhere over one of the surrounding hills.

No one was hurt. No one in the FOB, at any rate.

"We responded decisively and lethally," said Maj. Trevor Cadieu, squadron commander.

"My tank fired six rounds," said Trooper Phil Mooney, 25, of Edmonton, a gunner. He loves his work.

"We can fire more rounds a lot faster than the artillery. Tanks are badass, man."

"Tanks are why you go into armour in the first place. This is history being made here. We're ecstatic," said Lieut. Allan Dwyer. "And when we got here, we showed we were useful fairly quickly."

EXPANDED REACH

The tanks have expanded the reach and security of FOB Ma'sum Ghar. They're fitted with front-end dozer plates, so they can plow through rutted terrain and make their own roads.

"(During Medusa) they were slapping armour on the sides of bulldozers," said Lubiniecki.

"We did group reconnaissance to test the tanks on different terrain. Desert, grapefields, wadis, rivers ... nothing stops us."

"They used to say that tanks were a lost cause," said Sgt. Marvin McNeill. "I've been 18 years in armour, mostly light stuff like Coyotes.

"But tanks give you the mobility and power. And now we're proving it. So yeah, my career's hit a definite plateau. I was always an optimist."


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[ex Strathcona]

"Tanks are badass, man" couldn't have said it better myself.
Hopefully we will see more video from them soon.
Kick some ass Strathcona's!


And remember the first rule of tank gunnery.
It is better to give than receive.

[Roy Batty]

should be some pics from this patrol available soon. I will post em as soon as I see them.

[guest]

Nice photos,In the 2nd photo right under the main gun is that a sweet spot for an RPG or ATweapons when the gun is elevated.


Actually no really.

What you see is the orignal gun mantle.

It's well armoured to begin with, as most gun mantles tend to be.


You need to put images of burning T-62s from the 80ies out of your mind.

These cats may be 20 + years old, but they are in great shape, see fantastic in the dark, well armoured with modern and very accurate fire control systems.


They'll do just fine.

[ex Strathcona]

Actually no really.

What you see is the orignal gun mantle.

It's well armoured to begin with, as most gun mantles tend to be.


You need to put images of burning T-62s from the 80ies out of your mind.

These cats may be 20 + years old, but they are in great shape, see fantastic in the dark, well armoured with modern and very accurate fire control systems.


They'll do just fine.

exactly right.

and to add to that, the Taliban will never see that gun at max elevation. you only see that when safety is a consideration, not when the crew have "gone to action"

[Johnny_H02]

Bad ass pics :D

I dont post nearly enough anymore :( been busy as hell lately!

[Bzzliteyr]

Tpr. Mooney was one of my students.. I am happy to see he's doing what he wanted to. Being the best armour crewman he can be.. cheers!

[Kingswat]

nice updated pics.

[saigonsmuggler]

One good thing about the C2 is the large turret bustle, which allows the crew to store their personal gears inside? This may lessen the chance of these gears catching fire during battle.

The M1 stores the ammo in the bustle, thus u see many personal gears being stored outside the turret on racks. This has indeed been the issue in some M1s caught on fire.

[guest]

One good thing about the C2 is the large turret bustle, which allows the crew to store their personal gears inside? This may lessen the chance of these gears catching fire during battle.

The M1 stores the ammo in the bustle, thus u see many personal gears being stored outside the turret on racks. This has indeed been the issue in some M1s caught on fire.


I would never store my Star Wars Jammies outside. ;)

[ex Strathcona]

One good thing about the C2 is the large turret bustle, which allows the crew to store their personal gears inside? This may lessen the chance of these gears catching fire during battle.

The M1 stores the ammo in the bustle, thus u see many personal gears being stored outside the turret on racks. This has indeed been the issue in some M1s caught on fire.

if i had to guess, i would guess that the majority of M1 losses in Iraq were due to the tanks catching fire due to external stowage taking small arms fire... would i be correct? or do the Insurgents have more than RPGs at their disposal? cause i can't imagine an RPG round penetrating that armour.

[saigonsmuggler]

In OIF, Marines tanks were carrying rubber fuel sponsons on the turret sides. :(

Some of the external stowages caught fire from RPGs as well.

[Hutz]

Same but I prefer the look of the Leopard 2 A6 EX over the C2 :P


Too bad there aren't any 2A6s there right now. C2's doing the job.

[Ipkiss]

Too bad there aren't any 2A6s there right now. C2's doing the job.

If I'm getting deployed over there (will know in a few months) I'll take one with me in a rucksack, allright?

BTW, the Dutch Leopards use the standard German names for all the equipment and operating modes such as warmebild for thermal imaging, beobachten for operating mode etc.This is a great advantage when speaking to engineers of KMW etc. Have the Canadian C2's been translated or are they also packed with german texts?

[saigonsmuggler]

Too bad there aren't any 2A6s there right now. C2's doing the job.
why is that?

I'd rather have the HESH in the C2 than the HEAT in the 2A6.

[Bzzliteyr]

Canadian Leos have both languages in them.. and some even have french too!

[Pete031]

if i had to guess, i would guess that the majority of M1 losses in Iraq were due to the tanks catching fire due to external stowage taking small arms fire... would i be correct? or do the Insurgents have more than RPGs at their disposal? cause i can't imagine an RPG round penetrating that armour.

Big IED's From what I hear... Plus they do have RPG 7's that are the anti tank round.

[ex Strathcona]

Big IED's From what I hear... Plus they do have RPG 7's that are the anti tank round.

yeah that's true about the IEDs. using Artillery shells will certainly do it, also triple stacking anti tank mines. the RPG though, i have heard the insurgence are using mainly anti pers rounds, but even if they have heat rounds can an RPG heat round defeat the armour on an M1?