Herev unit, Israel druzes fighters

[ward75]

Hi fellas,

Im producing a tv doc about the non-jewish fighters of the israeli state. I was embedded within the Herev unit in the north of Israel in the middle and the end of last war.

http://www.leconfidentiel.com/2006/10/08/le-trailler-de-mon-documentaire-sur-les-druzes/

Herev is considered by the israeli governement and ministry of defense as the best fighter unit with sayeret Matkal and Egoz. They went into Lebanon with those other special units and they got hard-fight with Hezbollah fighters, they came back with no lost men, just some wounded.

Their missions consist to :

- Track Hezbollah terrorists along Israel-Lebanon border

- Do intelligence on Hezbollah and other potential terrorist as they watch and operate into Lebanon and arab villages.

Herev unit is composed of druzes, young boys only, and some reservists. Tsahal, the israeli army, appreciates them because the long and old story between druze people and Israel. Also, they are able to 'think like arabs', they know their way of combating and they speak fluent arab dialects...

I hope you will enjoy this trailler. I'll keep you guys posted on this production.

[socom6]

Thanks for the link. Very interesting links between the Druze and Iraelis.

[bigjeff]

Sounds like gurkha.

[Palmach]

Herev is considered by the israeli governement and ministry of defense as the best fighter unit with sayeret Matkal and Egoz.

This is just all wrong :) Herev is an infantry batallion on par with other former Hermesh units. It is not an SF formation by any means. Egoz is not equivalent to SM in either tasks or capabilities, furthermore its level has slipped considerably since the lebanon pullout.

[Palmach]

Sounds like gurkha.

The is a huge difference: druze are Israeli citizens and as such all military jobs are open to them (in the late 90s last restrictions, such as pilots and intellegence have been removed). Those serving in the all druze batallion are a minority anongst the druze and they volonteer for that particular formation.

Incedently, the all druze unit has been maintained at the behest of the Druze community, which was apprihansive in the early 50s that the lower educational levels of their recuites would put them at a disadvantage in the regular units. At this point Herev is a tradition more then anything.

[ward75]

No wrong sir, Herev is a 'special unit' not special force, learn to read, I never said or wrote 'special force'.

Sorry to tell you that israeli defense minister said they are the best with matkal and egoz. It seems I know better your army than you. In fact, druzes told me that druzes units are not well known by the israeli (jewish) people...

Let me remember that egoz and golani lost dozens of fighters, the reason ? is on my first post.

;-)

[ward75]

The is a huge difference: druze are Israeli citizens

Nope my friend, druzes are NOT israeli citizens, remember Menahem Begin... remember the strikes because he forced them to GOT the israeli ID card...

Learn your history boy.

[spoiledEgg]

Nope my friend, druzes are NOT israeli citizens, remember Menahem Begin... remember the strikes because he forced them to GOT the israeli ID card...

Learn your history boy.

You talking about Golan Heights Druze? Those are different, they are Syrian Druze not Israeli Druze and are not very friendly to Israel.

[Danik]

Nope my friend, druzes are NOT israeli citizens, remember Menahem Begin... remember the strikes because he forced them to GOT the israeli ID card...

Learn your history boy.


I just went online, the thing your on right now, and it says there are 120K Druze Israeli citizens.

[ward75]

not ALL druzes are israeli citizens.

Druzes are spread to 3 countries : Israel, Syria, Lebanon.

So don't say they are israeli citizens ONLY.

I told ya, you will understand more when tv doc finished.

[Danik]

Nope my friend, druzes are NOT israeli citizens, remember Menahem Begin... remember the strikes because he forced them to GOT the israeli ID card...

not ALL druzes are israeli citizens.

Druzes are spread to 3 countries : Israel, Syria, Lebanon.
Learn your history boy.

Why should the people in Syria and Lebanon be Israeli citizens? Notice what you originally wrote, and then changed, and your still making the obvious obscure.

[ward75]

Why should the people in Syria and Lebanon be Israeli citizens? Notice what you originally wrote, and then changed, and your still making the obvious obscure.

?? Read about druzes, all I say is real.

There's actualy, an herev soldier whom oncle is a high-rank officer in Syria, got it ?

Their history is not obvious nor obscure.

I'm not here to debate about politics, I just posted my work.

[ward75]

You talking about Golan Heights Druze? Those are different, they are Syrian Druze not Israeli Druze and are not very friendly to Israel.

Sure of that ? I was long time in villages over there...

You guys must learn better about your neighbours.

Notice: I'm not anti-israeli at all, but I dislike ignorance.

[Palmach]

Nope my friend, druzes are NOT israeli citizens, remember Menahem Begin... remember the strikes because he forced them to GOT the israeli ID card...

Learn your history boy.

As it has been stated already, Druze residing in Israeli territory other then the Golan heights are 100% citizens of Israel and have been since the formation of the state. Since the 1956 druze youths are conscripted into the army along with the jews. Druze of the Golan heights have Israeli id cards and have a standing invitation of accept Israeli citizenship, which some do and others don't. This is open freaken knowledge I fail to see why you are even arguing the point.

[Palmach]

No wrong sir, Herev is a 'special unit' not special force, learn to read, I never said or wrote 'special force'.

Sorry to tell you that israeli defense minister said they are the best with matkal and egoz. It seems I know better your army than you. In fact, druzes told me that druzes units are not well known by the israeli (jewish) people...

Let me remember that egoz and golani lost dozens of fighters, the reason ? is on my first post.

;-)

A unit made up of midgets would also be "special". Israeli army is full of "special units", form untra-orthodox to girl-"snipers".

Israeli minister of defence knows as much about defence as he does about ballet, which probably explains why 90% of the country wants him out of the job and why most of the country dearded to see him in the MoD chair in the first place. The comparasing is bogus no matter who made it.

Why they lost no men?! Who knows! Maybe it was luck, maybe they got settled with softer targets, maybe the 4 years they spent on the border rather then chaising Hamas through Gaza and West Bank gave them time to do some actually training.

Druze units are known well enough. Herev did a good enough job in Gaza in 2000-2001, as I recall it was them that shot M. Dura :)

[ward75]

I don't arguing the point, again, I just correct some points that you said where wrong.

;-)

Palmach, you didn't read well my first post, please, do it again !

[ward75]

Druze units are known well enough. Herev did a good enough job in Gaza in 2000-2001, as I recall it was them that shot M. Dura :)

Noooo !! please !! don't speak about al-dura case, I investigate that for years.

A fake dead... A staged scene.

http://www.guysen.com/mena.php?sid=742

[Palmach]

?? Read about druzes, all I say is real.

There's actualy, an herev soldier whom oncle is a high-rank officer in Syria, got it ?

Their history is not obvious nor obscure.

I'm not here to debate about politics, I just posted my work.

Excuse me, let me get this straight. Are you claiming that there is a Herev solder NOW who was a Syrian officer? I assume that he was an officer in Syria before 1973, which would make him what, 60?!

By the way, why are you so defensive?! Now one is attacking you work, just correcting some statement, so take it easy.

[spoiledEgg]

He doesn't know what he is talking about, Golan Druze don't serve in IDF. They are loyal to Syria, not to Israel.

PS: I still wanna see your documentary

[ward75]

Ok, I know, I think you are missing some WORDS or you don't understand my poor english :

The uncle of this soldier is a high-ranked officer in Syria.

;-)

I take it easy, leat leat ! BUT, I pose some points that were not CLEAR.

So in fact, did you like the vid ?

[ward75]

He doesn't know what he is talking about, Golan Druze don't serve in IDF. They are loyal to Syria, not to Israel.

Ok, you tell that, no prob sir, you will see what they say.

Or maybe I followed a fake soldier ? whoooaaaaaaaaa ! what good liar !

With all my respects, the one who doesn't know what he's talki'n about is you.

I don't accept that someone tell me I'm a sort of liar.

This was not a one day or two embeddment, more than you can imagine.

[Palmach]

Ok, I know, I think you are missing some WORDS or you don't understand my poor english :

The uncle of this soldier is a high-ranked officer in Syria.

;-)

I take it easy, leat leat ! BUT, I pose some points that were not CLEAR.

So in fact, did you like the vid ?

Hehe! I just figured that "oncle" stood for "once" :):) My bad. Surely an uncle could've been a Syrian officer, after all the only devisional commander in that army to be executed after the war of 1973 was a Druze.

I am looking forward to the video, please keep us posted.

[spoiledEgg]

Ward, you are not a liar but I think you mixed up Galilee and Golan Druze. You were obviously embedded with Galilee Druze, who have no connection to Syrian. Anyway, I meant no disrespect to you. When will the film be released?

[ward75]

I'm sure not.

The guy was from Golan, I was in his home/family... I saw and record pictures...

I need to come back, It's a long long work. I don't do little reports, I used to live for long time with the people I want to record.

[Elemental666]

Herev is considered by the israeli governement and ministry of defense as the best fighter unit with sayeret Matkal and Egoz.

Hmmm....Not sure about that.

Thanks for the link.

[GiladS]

Herev is considered by the israeli governement and ministry of defense as the best fighter unit with sayeret Matkal and Egoz. They went into Lebanon with those other special units and they got hard-fight with Hezbollah fighters, they came back with no lost men, just some wounded.

Their missions consist to :

- Track Hezbollah terrorists along Israel-Lebanon border

- Do intelligence on Hezbollah and other potential terrorist as they watch and operate into Lebanon and arab villages.

Herev unit is composed of druzes, young boys only, and some reservists. Tsahal, the israeli army, appreciates them because the long and old story between druze people and Israel. Also, they are able to 'think like arabs', they know their way of combating and they speak fluent arab dialects...

I hope you will enjoy this trailler. I'll keep you guys posted on this production.

Not trying in any way to diminish the value of Herev (they did an excellent job in Lebanon), however I have to point out that Herev is an infantry battalion that is on the same level as the other infanrty battalions.

It is not considerd to be on par with special forces units such as Egoz and Sayeret Matkal. Claiming so is just wrong and misleading.

Also worth mentioning that Herev isn't just made up of Druze but also Circassians.

[TheKrautinater]

First off, was that video the entire documnetary or was it just a teaser? I'm interested in seeing the whole thing. And 2nd, I love the Spy Game soundtrack. O btw, si vous avez besoin d'aide avec votre englais, peut etre vous pouvez m'aider avec mon francais?

[GiladS]

Let me remember that egoz and golani lost dozens of fighters, the reason ? is on my first post.


Sorry mate, but that's a rather childish arguement.

You know the types of missions Egoz got in comparison to Herev?

You are aware of the fact that Golani is a whole brigade while Herev is a battalion sized force?


Anyway, I wish you the best and would like to thank you for doing this project as it will expose people to the non-Jewish citizens of Israel who feel it is their duty to fight in the ranks of the IDF and defend this state.

[Darth Vidar]

A two month old article from Jerusalem Post on the Herev Battalion:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525874479&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


Aug. 15, 2006 0:49 | Updated Aug. 15, 2006 7:53
All-Druse unit returns without single casualty
By YAAKOV KATZ (yaakovk@jpost.com)



They hiked over 40 kilometers, killed close to 20 Hizbullah guerrillas and spent 32 days in Lebanon without a single casualty. But on Monday, soldiers from the Herev Battalion emerged from battle, sweaty, dusty and tired making history twice - as the first battalion to enter Lebanon and the one to spend the longest amount of time deep in enemy territory under Operation Change of Direction.

The battalion, consisting strictly of Druse soldiers from northern Israel, was on its way to take control of the northern border with Lebanon on July 12, when Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser were kidnapped in a cross-border Hizbullah attack. Commanded by Lt.-Col. Wajdi Sahran, the battalion secured the area of the kidnapping and assisted in the evacuation of the dead soldiers from the scene of the attack. Little did he know that the kidnapping would change his battalion forever.

Several days later, OC Northern Command Maj.-Gen. Udi Adam decided to send Sahran and his men into Lebanon, making Herev the first full battalion to invade Hizbullah strongholds during this war. Days earlier, the elite Maglan and Egoz Units suffered heavy casualties during clashes in Lebanon and Adam sent in Herev, a battalion known for its vast experience in Lebanon and intimate familiarity with the tough terrain.

The battalion went into Lebanon during the first week of the war and was first sent to Marwahin, a known Hizbullah stronghold in the central sector of southern Lebanon. There it spent three days before being sent off to Maroun a-Ras, scene of heavy clashes between Maglan, Egoz and Hizbullah just days earlier. The battalion spent 10 days there until it was again sent off to Itoran for another week.

In every village, the routine was the same, recalled Maj. Shadi Abu Fair, the battalion's deputy commander on Monday from the lobby of the Ginossar Hotel on the banks of the Kinneret, taken over by the IDF and used to give soldiers respite before returning to battle.

Why did Herev succeed where so many other battalions appeared to have failed? "We are a strong unit that has always fought in the North," Abu Faris explained. "While other units went to fight in the West Bank we stayed in the North and are the battalion with the most experience and time in Lebanon."

Due to its success following 32 days in Lebanon, Abu Faris revealed that the Northern Command was now considering turning the battalion into an elite unit like Egoz known for its expertise in fighting Hizbullah.

For Herev, the war in Lebanon was not just a war against a fierce enemy but was a war in defense of their home - not just the State of Israel, but their homes in the literal sense. All of the soldiers, without any exception, Abu Faris said, live in northern Israel and their homes came under the incessant Hizbullah Katyusha rocket attacks during the past 30 days of fighting.
"There are soldiers here whose homes were hit by Katyusha rockets," explained one of the soldiers, St.-Sgt. Eitan Agmi, whose relative was Wasim Nazil, one of the eight soldiers killed in the July 12 cross-border Hizbullah attack that sparked the war in Lebanon. "A mother of one of the soldiers was even hospitalized for several days after she was injured in a rocket attack."

[GiladS]

Due to its success following 32 days in Lebanon, Abu Faris revealed that the Northern Command was now considering turning the battalion into an elite unit like Egoz known for its expertise in fighting Hizbullah.


Now that would explain the whole incoherence in the thread :)

[Sato]

Anyway, Cool vid! Looking forward to seeing the whole documentary!

[tanks_alot]

Well, i served six months with Herev battalion on the Lebanon border and before that i served with them for a bit in the Gaza strip, they are an infantry unit and not on the same level as Egoz and certainly not on the same level as sayeret Matkal.

measuring the quality of a unit by it's losess is ridiculous because Egoz for example, a unit that was made specifically in order to fight Hezbollah recived more complicated missions.

i'm not trying to diminish Herev, it's a good battalion with alot of motivation and the time i spent with them was the best time i had in the army but let's not turn the unit into something it's not.

by the way, a number of soldiers mentioned to me that they have relatives in Lebanon.
Druze in general are loyal to the country they live in and thats why a druze soldier that serves in the IDF might end up meeting in combat a druze member of Hezbollah.

Druze soldier are by no way restricted to Herev battalion, the soldiers who serve there asked to be there because they preffer to serve with their own.

these days there are many high ranking druze officers in the army and if i'm not mistaken the commander of the border guard is a druze.

[atudai]

No wrong sir, Herev is a 'special unit' not special force, learn to read, I never said or wrote 'special force'.

Sorry to tell you that israeli defense minister said they are the best with matkal and egoz. It seems I know better your army than you. In fact, druzes told me that druzes units are not well known by the israeli (jewish) people...

Let me remember that egoz and golani lost dozens of fighters, the reason ? is on my first post.

;-)

I'm really sorry man , but it's a one huge bull****.
they might be at the level of Egoz unit [ though I doubt it] but Sayeret MAtcal? our defence minister should be a real dumbass to say such a thing. Their sole uniqueness is that they are mainly druze [and other ethnic minorities ,another mistake of yours] ,nothing more. it's a totaly ordinary battalion . If they were so special they wouldn't have been shown in your TV doc. I know what I'm talking about..

[Zeev]

You talking about Golan Heights Druze? Those are different, they are Syrian Druze not Israeli Druze and are not very friendly to Israel.

true.

Israeli Druzes are good and loyal fighters...

[ward75]

Please, guyz, it seems a childs fight...

I don't care who is the best, I'm just saying that the FACTS are here.

What's better to achieve a mission ?

1) a 'jewish' occidental look unit (from Tel-Aviv) with hebrew speaking boyz ?

OR

2) a 'druze' arab speaking and knowlegde (from a druze village) with arab fluent speaking and reading ?

Just to tell you my friends, this is only a discuss, don't shoot me !

[Keith]

Please, guyz, it seems a childs fight... .

What's better to achieve a mission ?

1) a 'jewish' occidental look unit (from Tel-Aviv) with hebrew speaking boyz ?

OR

2) a 'druze' arab speaking and knowlegde (from a druze village) with arab fluent speaking and reading ?




3. Just the best trained unit !!

As tanks_alot told yu Herev battalion is an infantry unit and not on the same level as Egoz and certainly not on the same level as sayeret Matkal.

and as atudai told you that they are mainly druze [and other ethnic minorities ,another mistake of yours]. nothing more. it's a totaly ordinary battalion . If they were so special they wouldn't have been shown in your TV doc.

[Zeev]

Please, guyz, it seems a childs fight...

I don't care who is the best, I'm just saying that the FACTS are here.

What's better to achieve a mission ?

1) a 'jewish' occidental look unit (from Tel-Aviv) with hebrew speaking boyz ?

OR

2) a 'druze' arab speaking and knowlegde (from a druze village) with arab fluent speaking and reading ?

Just to tell you my friends, this is only a discuss, don't shoot me !

BS, a lot of israeli jews from arab or muslim countries had the same speaking and knowlegde, had an oriental features and look, and can do the same job or better!

the most important missions are done by israeli jewish units and not beduin or druzes, even if they are good soldiers... dont worry, I can show you sefarads or mizrahis jews that you could confuse with palestianian or arab people ;)

[ward75]

duvdevan ;-)

mistaravim :p

keep it cool !

[GiladS]

these days there are many high ranking druze officers in the army and if i'm not mistaken the commander of the border guard is a druze.

There's also Brigadier General Imad Fares who comanded the Givati Brigade in the years 2001-2004 and who now commands the Edom Formation.

The highest ranking Druze in the IDF is Major General Yosef Mishlav who was appointed to be Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories.

[OttawaLoneWolf]

BS, a lot of israeli jews from arab or muslim countries had the same speaking and knowlegde, had an oriental features and look, and can do the same job or better!

the most important missions are done by israeli jewish units and not beduin or druzes, even if they are good soldiers... dont worry, I can show you sefarads or mizrahis jews that you could confuse with palestianian or arab people ;)


well ! personally, just personally I think Sefarads, Mizrahis Jews have less Arabic feature compare to real Arabic.

My prove is " they can still get into Mike's Place " ( the pub on Tel Aviv Beach , my favorite spot )

I think if a unit consist of mixed of Sefarads and Achnuiz or sometimes some 2nd generation Asian immigrants : ). They won't be fed in or function as well as a pure unit of Druz soldiers. Just my thought.

[tanks_alot]

Please, guyz, it seems a childs fight...

I don't care who is the best, I'm just saying that the FACTS are here.

What's better to achieve a mission ?

1) a 'jewish' occidental look unit (from Tel-Aviv) with hebrew speaking boyz ?

OR

2) a 'druze' arab speaking and knowlegde (from a druze village) with arab fluent speaking and reading ?

Just to tell you my friends, this is only a discuss, don't shoot me !

It's not some kind of a druze VS jews argument....., just like you cant say Golani's 13 battalion for example is at the same level of special forces units than you cant say Herev battalion is because both units are regular infantry units and have diffrent duties, training and missions than SF units. seriously this is one of the most pointless arguments i've seen here yet.

i got nothing against Herev battalion, i think it's a good unit and i still keep contact with some of the guys i met in that unit, just don't turn them into things they are not and i'll say that about every other unit as well.

[Moledet]

I think Ward doesn't understand why there's an all Druze unit in the first place so he thinks it was created as a Druze only unit to be like some kind of a SF unit.

BTW, Egoz is not on the same level as Matkal.

[GiladS]

Please, guyz, it seems a childs fight...

I don't care who is the best, I'm just saying that the FACTS are here.

What's better to achieve a mission ?

1) a 'jewish' occidental look unit (from Tel-Aviv) with hebrew speaking boyz ?

OR

2) a 'druze' arab speaking and knowlegde (from a druze village) with arab fluent speaking and reading ?

Just to tell you my friends, this is only a discuss, don't shoot me !

Again mate, if you don't want the thread to deteriorate then please refrain from such wording of your posts.

Jewish Israelis aren't just to be found in Tel-Aviv.

As for your point which is rather interesting...

Sure, Herev might have an advantage due to the fact that every soldier knows Arabic as a mother tongue. However to tell you the truth, in Lebanon this is less crucial as a pose to the type of training the force recieved.

Maybe if we were talking about such undercover units operating in the Territories where the fighters need to blend in with the rest of the population, you'd have a point (fact remains that the Jewish soldiers serving in these units have done rather well).

Herev takes anyone who belongs to the Druze or Circassian communities and who's physically and mentally fit (and who wishes to serve there). The training is the same training as any infantry battalion.

Whether the IDF will decide to upgrade the status of the force is yet to be seen.

On the other hand, members of units such as Egoz and Sayeret Matkal must go through a grueling selection phase before even reaching the (also highly demanding) unit's course.

The course itself is intended to make the soldiers capable of facing much more complicated tasks and missions than any average infantry force.

[big80a2]

I love your trailer, keep us updated on the final!!
have been among the druze soldiers for a while and
I'm really proud of them.
Had a great time!

cheers

[gilgoul]

well ! personally, just personally I think Sefarads, Mizrahis Jews have less Arabic feature compare to real Arabic.

My prove is " they can still get into Mike's Place " ( the pub on Tel Aviv Beach , my favorite spot )

I think if a unit consist of mixed of Sefarads and Achnuiz or sometimes some 2nd generation Asian immigrants : ). They won't be fed in or function as well as a pure unit of Druz soldiers. Just my thought.

Actually dude, I worked at mike's place for a year, after the bombing, and had a lot of arab customers.

As for the all "look thing", go to Beit Jalah and other places, you'll see a lot of "european featured" people, and they are palestinians.
In the same line, my platoon lieutenant in the reserve was in duvdevan,did mistaravim job, and he is a pure ashkenaze jew!


BTW, PM me next time you are there if you wanna have a guiness. ;)

[ward75]

Thanks big80a2 and others, we keep posted.

I dont reply to some guys here that they think, cause they're israelis, they know well their hown army...

Again, some of you should go back to school and LEARN TO READ, I wrote : Herev is a special unit NOT a special force, so why ? just read my posts, if you CAN.

Others: I keep you posted about the tv doc.

cheers.

[GiladS]

Again, some of you should go back to school and LEARN TO READ, I wrote : Herev is a special unit NOT a special force, so why ? just read my posts, if you CAN.


You wrote that it is on par with Egoz and Sayeret Matkal while it doesn't even fit the same category.

The Israelis here don't have anything against you... we are in fact very happy to hear of your work.

Relax and learn to accept constructive criticism. ;-)

[ward75]

HAHAHA

Im more relaxed than you, again, I didn't said that, this was said by your ministry of defense.

I accept all criticism, but fighting to say that egoz or matkal or herev is the best of all, is the most IDIOTA thing you are doing here.

What you are discussing is clueless and brainless.

I just, in my post, pointed WHAT REAL TSAHAL GUYS told me, and I prefer trust my embeddment, than an anonymous poster who doesn't even know reading... (he pointed that by himself...)

So, the discuss whas about the vid, not what you dafok you think.

Too much assbeen army and 'security guys' are squatting forums like this, they don't even know what they say.

I saw some of them in Iraq, most finished in some pretty black bags. Same here.

[tanks_alot]

HAHAHA

Im more relaxed than you, again, I didn't said that, this was said by your ministry of defense.

I accept all criticism, but fighting to say that egoz or matkal or herev is the best of all, is the most IDIOTA thing you are doing here.

What you are discussing is clueless and brainless.

I just, in my post, pointed WHAT REAL TSAHAL GUYS told me, and I prefer trust my embeddment, than an anonymous poster who doesn't even know reading... (he pointed that by himself...)

So, the discuss whas about the vid, not what you dafok you think.

Too much assbeen army and 'security guys' are squatting forums like this, they don't even know what they say.

I saw some of them in Iraq, most finished in some pretty black bags. Same here.

My eyes are bleeding.

[Elemental666]

lol this thread...rofl

[GiladS]

Im more relaxed than you, again, I didn't said that, this was said by your ministry of defense.


So relaxed that you resort to personal insults?


I accept all criticism, but fighting to say that egoz or matkal or herev is the best of all, is the most IDIOTA thing you are doing here.


Who's doing this?

All we are doing is informing you that Herev is an infantry battalion like any other in the IDF (with the exception of it being made up of Druze and Circassian soldiers). Egoz and Sayeret Matkal belong to a different category.

I also advise that you go a few posts back and read your childish arguement regarding how the losses of a certain unit reflect on its abbilities before throwing the word "idiot" around.

[ward75]

I cant read you.

I don't have time to loose with you.

So you are right, I'm a jerk and you are the good one OK ?

and, yes Herev is an infantry bat. what I HAVE ALWAYS SAID AND WROTE.

So stupid you are to set a fire with nothing, because we booth are RIGHT.

yallah, ciao.

[PILMAN]

Wow nice, I am looking forward to this movie.

[GiladS]

and, yes Herev is an infantry bat. what I HAVE ALWAYS SAID AND WROTE.


No you didn't, at least not in your first post (where you claimed Herev is on par with Egoz and SM).




So stupid you are to set a fire with nothing, because we booth are RIGHT.


I'm not trying to set anything on fire, it's just impossible to hold a constructive discussion with you.

[ward75]

Thanks PILMAN

If broadcasted, I will ask if I can give to this forum some big parts...

But if broadcasted soon, you'll find it, for sure on emule...or bittorrent..

:D

[ward75]

I'm not trying to set anything on fire, it's just impossible to hold a constructive discussion with you.

Hey boy, please, GET LOST.

That's enought with you ok ?

Wanna teach me MY JOB ? upon your 18 years ?

Nice, next time I come to T-A, I come to you, I pick you up, and you will follow me on war report.

Take your balls kid.

[GiladS]

Hey boy, please, GET LOST.

That's enought with you ok ?

Wanna teach me MY JOB ? upon your 18 years ?

Nice, next time I come to T-A, I come to you, I pick you up, and you will follow me on war report.

Take your balls kid.

Thanks for providing more backing for what I stated in my previous post.

I'm done with you.

Goodnight... hope your ego gets well by the morning.

[PILMAN]

Thanks PILMAN

If broadcasted, I will ask if I can give to this forum some big parts...

But if broadcasted soon, you'll find it, for sure on emule...or bittorrent..

:D

I posted the trailer on israelmilitary.net forums if that is ok. What kind of camera did you use to film the documentary?

edit: not sure why so many people are having fight on the thread, I skimmed through it a bit.

[Moledet]

I don't know what about you, but to me it sounds like some Israeli soldiers were trying to make fun of the foreign guy like we all enjoy doing to foreigners.
I bet you've all heard stories about released soldiers telling soldiers/citizens of other countries all kind of BS to make fun of them.

[ward75]

I posted the trailer on israelmilitary.net forums if that is ok. What kind of camera did you use to film the documentary?

edit: not sure why so many people are having fight on the thread, I skimmed through it a bit.

SONY PD170

no prob for israelmil.net

yep, some kids wanna play... poor guyz...

[ward75]

I don't know what about you, but to me it sounds like some Israeli soldiers were trying to make fun of the foreign guy like we all enjoy doing to foreigners.
I bet you've all heard stories about released soldiers telling soldiers/citizens of other countries all kind of BS to make fun of them.

Yes everything is fake, even me !

Thanks to think the way my job is...

You know what ? you are a jobnik, and I was with real fighters.

When israeli soldiers wanna to make fun of the 'foreign guy' (foreign are you sure ?) they invite you to mess with them.

Some of you here wanna set something bad, you don't hown Tsahal threads, but let others speak about it.

[Keith]

SONY PD170

no prob for israelmil.net

yep, some kids wanna play... poor guyz...

Poor arrogant guy ! all israelis here raised pertinent comment .. but your stronger than everybody. pity yu

BTW be carefull with your skateboard helmet

[Moledet]

Yes everything is fake, even me !

Thanks to think the way my job is...

You know what ? you are a jobnik, and I was with real fighters.

When israeli soldiers wanna to make fun of the 'foreign guy' (foreign are you sure ?) they invite you to mess with them.

Some of you here wanna set something bad, you don't hown Tsahal threads, but let others speak about it.
I didn't talk about the clip (which is very nice), but about your claim that they are as good as Matkal.
The only units that can be compared to Matkal in the IDF are Shayetet 13 and Shaldag.

To me that statement sounded like another case of "a pilot in Shayetet Matkal".

[NBC Trooper]

by the way, a number of soldiers mentioned to me that they have relatives in Lebanon.
Druze in general are loyal to the country they live in and thats why a druze soldier that serves in the IDF might end up meeting in combat a druze member of Hezbollah.



A druze member of Hezbollah?!?!

hmmm...

[ward75]

I didn't talk about the clip (which is very nice), but about your claim that they are as good as Matkal.

Are you sure you know english ?

I NEVER SAID THAT !! Go to your ministry of defense, he said that.

Also, some others defense experts.

Now, read again for 10 times this post.

Again... Again...

[ward75]

A druze member of Hezbollah?!?!

hmmm...

Leave them, those b******* like setting fire...

[ward75]

Herev is considered by the israeli governement and ministry of defense as the best fighter unit with sayeret Matkal and Egoz. They went into Lebanon with those other special units and they got hard-fight with Hezbollah fighters, they came back with no lost men, just some wounded.

Moledet ? Got it ?

read it again... again...

no ! don't stop !!! READ IT AGAIN !

'semek!

[olowy]

Nope my friend, druzes are NOT israeli citizens, remember Menahem Begin... remember the strikes because he forced them to GOT the israeli ID card...

Learn your history boy.

For being imbedded you don't really know anything. The druze that are in Northern Isarel (not in the Golan Heights) are Israeli citizens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druze
"In Israel, Druze usually identify themselves as Arabs (but not as Palestinians). Druze in Israel are known to be loyal and patriotic Israelis. . .However, many Druze living in the Golan Heights consider themselves Syrian and refuse Israeli citizenship, while the remainder consider themselves Israeli."

And every Israel knows about the Druze unit. In fact you can buy their unit patch in any 2 dollar army surplus store. But to say there are on par with Matkal or egoz is just not true. I think the MOD official was just blewing you a line so you feel you were embedded in an imprortant unit.

[Elemental666]

I NEVER SAID THAT !! Go to your ministry of defense, he said that.

Also, some others defense experts.


I don't recall the defence minister saying that.
Any links maybe?
And don't give me the "HHHHHHHH LEARN TO READ"....If you got any way to back that up,provide the relevant links.Thanks.

[tanks_alot]

A druze member of Hezbollah?!?!

hmmm...

There are some druze members in Hezbollah although not many, the lebanese druze oppose Hezbollah politicaly for the most part.

Samir Kuntar for example is a lebanese druze.

[ward75]

For being imbedded you don't really know anything. The druze that are in Northern Isarel (not in the Golan Heights) are Israeli citizens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druze
"In Israel, Druze usually identify themselves as Arabs (but not as Palestinians). Druze in Israel are known to be loyal and patriotic Israelis. . .However, many Druze living in the Golan Heights consider themselves Syrian and refuse Israeli citizenship, while the remainder consider themselves Israeli."

And every Israel knows about the Druze unit. In fact you can buy their unit patch in any 2 dollar army surplus store. But to say there are on par with Matkal or egoz is just not true. I think the MOD official was just blewing you a line so you feel you were embedded in an imprortant unit.

Whoaaaaa!! Wikipedia ! what a source...

Are you sure you know english ?

I NEVER SAID THAT HEREV IS A SF !!

and go to the israeli ministry of defense, he said that they are the best with matkal and egoz. GOT IT ?

Also, some others defense experts.

Now, read again for 10 times this post.

Again... Again...

[ward75]

I think the MOD official was just blewing you a line so you feel you were embedded in an imprortant unit.

yes everything is fake.

I don't even exist.

Guy, you have a bad idea about our combat camera job.

Too much for me, I came here to share my work and you spit on our job.

bye.

my last post.

admin: you maybe need some REAL cleaning to avoid trolls like this, they ****-up all the threads.

[olowy]

duvdevan ;-)

mistaravim :p

keep it cool !


Duvdevan is made up of "a 'jewish' occidental look unit (from Tel-Aviv) with hebrew speaking boyz".

There is a more concentration of Druze in the border guard mistaravim units.

[tanks_alot]

yes everything is fake.

I don't even exist.

Guy, you have a bad idea about our combat camera job.

Look, you said Herev is in the same level of Egoz and SM, when people said it's not true, you tried to defend that claim until giving up, thats it, no here has any problem with your work, no has any problem with druze people and no one has anything against Herev battalion.

so how about relaxing?, internet tantrum never impressed anyone, stop acting like anyone who dosn't agree with you is a "kid" or a "jobnik" who knows nothing, some of us know a thing or two as well and no one here tried to insult you and even after you went on your tantrum i think most of us were still patient with you, so how about ignoring that extremely pointless argument, and move on to discussion your work in an adult manner? ok?

nice work and please try to relax a bit, not everyone is out to get you.

[NBC Trooper]

There are some druze members in Hezbollah although not many, the lebanese druze oppose Hezbollah politicaly for the most part.

Samir Kuntar for example is a lebanese druze.


WOW didn't knew that.

But I'm doubt that any Druze would me among the Hezballah fighter units. No?

[spoiledEgg]

Next he will say that the "Beduin Desert Battalion" is the best force in the IDF. I'm done with this.

[ward75]

Look, you said Herev is in the same level of Egoz and SM

I never said that.

Are you so stupid ?

Again, what's wrong with you 3 guys ?

again, please, read the FIRST post, read it slowly...

And you will understand that I'm fighting with guys who started the first kick without READING me...

Now I'm bored.

you got me. Enought.

[ward75]

Next he will say that the "Beduin Desert Battalion" is the best force in the IDF. I'm done with this.

Stop, please.

You know I never said that.

What's wrong with you israeli people ? you don't HOWN threads about Tsahal, are you understanding me ?

I saw to many of you they did pictures like your avatar (with a gun) and they never went to ANY war.

So cheket and go back to mum.

[tanks_alot]

I never said that.

Are you so stupid ?

Again, what's wrong with you 3 guys ?

again, please, read the FIRST post, read it slowly...

And you will understand that I'm fighting with guys who started the first kick without READING me...

Now I'm bored.

you got me. Enought.

Great you said the MoD claimed it and than moved on to defending that claim, me stupid me dont read well english, great can we move on now?

[ward75]

at last...

I can see some light...

80 posts after...

You wanna win a war like this ? hugh !

[spoiledEgg]

Stop, please.

You know I never said that.

What's wrong with you israeli people ? you don't HOWN threads about Tsahal, are you understanding me ?

I saw to many of you they did pictures like your avatar (with a gun) and they never went to ANY war.

So cheket and go back to mum.

So if you haven't fought in a war you have no right to post on this forum, right? Tell me, how many wars have you fought in?

And since when is Brooklyn in Israel?

[NBC Trooper]

Hi fellas,

Im producing a tv doc about the non-jewish fighters of the israeli state. I was embedded within the Herev unit in the north of Israel in the middle and the end of last war.

http://www.leconfidentiel.com/2006/10/08/le-trailler-de-mon-documentaire-sur-les-druzes/




Herev is considered by the israeli governement and ministry of defense as the best fighter unit with sayeret Matkal and Egoz. They went into Lebanon with those other special units and they got hard-fight with Hezbollah fighters, they came back with no lost men, just some wounded.


-The minister of defence does not represent the opinion of the government
-The minister of defence is and IDIOT
-The Herev battalion went into Lebanon with all those other SF, and with all those other battalions





Their missions consist to :

- Track Hezbollah terrorists along Israel-Lebanon border

- Do intelligence on Hezbollah and other potential terrorist as they watch and operate into Lebanon and Arab villages.


-Almost every unit that was in Lebanon performed those tasks




Herev unit is composed of druzes, young boys only, and some reservists. Tsahal, the israeli army, appreciates them because the long and old story between druze people and Israel. Also, they are able to 'think like arabs', they know their way of combating and they speak fluent arab dialects...


-Herev is an apriciated unit, but besides Druze they also have a small number of Cherkes

-The fact that they are able to "think like Arabs", and their fluent Arabic, have nothing to do with their combat skills



I hope you will enjoy this trailler. I'll keep you guys posted on this production.

I wish you luck with your film and your Photography career

[Keith]

Stop, please.

I saw to many of you they did pictures like your avatar (with a gun) and they never went to ANY war.

So cheket and go back to mum.


keep cool !

yu never went to ANY war also johnny.. yu were on the border, "after the party " !! so yu have to work a little more for the Pulitzer ..and learn something call modesty

[PILMAN]

Wholly crap people, the original post was about this guys video and this is turning into a big ****ing flamefest, can we just comment on the video rather than debate? Damn is that too much to ask?

[NimDod]

thanks for posting. Its always nice to see the work of a reporten embeded to an army unit, but the footage you took seems strange.

1. the soldiers are using Jeeps (thats a Sufa if Im not mistaken). theye didnt send jeeps into Lebanon. not even uparmored Hummers.

2. in one part you took footage of them using flash lights in night... in Lebanon. very strange.

maybe some of the footage was taken in the west bank / Palestinian areas?

[PILMAN]

thanks for posting. Its always nice to see the work of a reporten embeded to an army unit, but the footage you took seems strange.

1. the soldiers are using Jeeps (thats a Sufa if Im not mistaken). theye didnt send jeeps into Lebanon. not even uparmored Hummers.

2. in one part you took footage of them using flash lights in night... in Lebanon. very strange.

maybe some of the footage was taken in the west bank / Palestinian areas?

Hmm I thought SUFA was translation to Storm for F-16i?

[Elemental666]

Hmm I thought SUFA was translation to Storm for F-16i?

There is a Jeep that called Sufa also p-)

[ward75]

yu never went to ANY war also johnny.. yu were on the border, "after the party " !! so yu have to work a little more for the Pulitzer ..and learn something call modesty

ah ?! you where in my bag ?

... strange... Maybe I was in the twilight zone... with fake soldiers, fake hezbollah, and all my pictures are false like my videos.

Guys, this forum is getting worse.

I'm sorry, I leave, I can't stay with this frenchy Keith, who sends me insults by email.

[Keith]

ah ?! you where in my bag ?

... strange... Maybe I was in the twilight zone... with fake soldiers, fake hezbollah, and all my pictures are false like my videos.

Guys, this forum is getting worse.

I'm sorry, I leave, I can't stay with this frenchy Keith, who sends me insults by email.


juste watching your website , no picts of the war juste on the border etc..

Me insulting you .??. too long time under the sun ! stop smoking pot ..
Don't have and don't want your mail !

Moderators should quicklely close this stinky thread

Ciao bello .

[ward75]

juste watching your website , no picts of the war juste on the border etc..

pffff !

nothing on my web site... do you think I will give all my work for free on a website ?

I wrote 6 books, I'm working on 4 more only picture books.

I'm directing tvdocs and working for a press agency.

All my work is there >>> http://www.jpney.com/article.php3?id_article=100

And that's fake too ? >>> http://www.jpney.com/gallery/action/

[NimDod]

ah ?! you where in my bag ?

... strange... Maybe I was in the twilight zone... with fake soldiers, fake hezbollah, and all my pictures are false like my videos.

Guys, this forum is getting worse.

I'm sorry, I leave, I can't stay with this frenchy Keith, who sends me insults by email.

I'm not saying its false - just strange that you took this video in Lebanon, because as much as I know, there were no Jeeps of any kind in the recent war in Lebanon. not even M113 APC. damn, they didnt even call some reserves tank battalions (like mine) who's tanks are not protected enugh.

flashlights in Lebanon are a *huge* no-no and its very unlikely that soldiers in Lebanon would turn them on at night. you dont need to have military backround to know that flashlights + night = sniper target practice.
if they were looking for Hezbullah fighers, they wouldnt be doing it like that.

the soldiers are clearly not false, but I find it hard to belive that this footage was taken inside Lebanon.

[ward75]

WHO the HELL told you it was INSIDE Lebanon ?!

guyz, please, I'm out of this, I can't more !!

Why do you invent stories ?

Can't you see the border ?

Maybe you didn't read well: (again) It's a TRAILLER, so IT IS NOT THE ENTIRE TV DOC.

wouhaaaaaaa that make me crazy...

[NimDod]

WHO the HELL told you it was INSIDE Lebanon ?!

guyz, please, I'm out of this, I can't more !!

Why do you invent stories ?

Can't you see the border ?

Maybe you didn't read well: (again) It's a TRAILLER, so IT IS NOT THE ENTIRE TV DOC.


oh. my bad, then.
the officer said they were looking for Hezbullah and I asumed it was inside Lebanon, because I saw some pictures of Herev soldiers in Lebanon and thought there were there the whole time.


wouhaaaaaaa that make me crazy...
no need to get angry.
sheesh, as a reporter u'r supposed to know how to handle with criticism...

[Keith]

pffff !

WHO the HELL told you it was INSIDE Lebanon ?!


you... on your website !



nothing on my web site... do you think I will give all my work for free on a website ?


of course but no photo in south lebanon .. and same reserve as NimDod
so you came after the battle .. the great french war reporter !!



I wrote 6 books, I'm working on 4 more only picture books.

happy for you



I'm directing tvdocs and working for a press agency.


Juste carefully looking in the French Press directory 2006 and found nothing !!

Over.
close the thread, close the thread .. eject eject eject

[NimDod]

Juste carefully looking in the French Press directory 2006 and found nothing !!

I have to disagree. one of the French reporters that was embeded with an Israeli unit took footage of soldiers inside Lebanon, and the video that was posted (and a few hours later was taken off youtube) showed Kornet-E missiles that were used by the Hezbullah - the only time I saw any proof that they actually used these missiles.

anyway, inside Lebanon or not, I'd like to see more of ward75's material. you dont see Herev battalion in the spotlight as often as you see other IDF's units.

[ward75]

Keith is insulting me by PM...

very very nice...

I don't need to reply those pig attacks.

I do what I do, and I will show you... :D

[NimDod]

Keith is insulting me by PM...

whats the point?
insulting a reporter is like booing the special olympics.

[GiladS]

Keith is insulting me by PM...

very very nice...


Sounds familiar... :roll:



**** you.

my ego ****s you ok ?

my little boy is now happy to set fire.

you want war, you got war.

now, prepare yourself.

You don't even know me.

[Keith]

whats the point?
insulting a reporter is like booing the special olympics.

may be reporter, definitely not diplomat this boy.

This mad guy spamed my mail box with message in french (not friendly .)
like a shining remake ;-)
've blacklisted the guy and asked moderators to act .

[ward75]

Keith don't start a war with me.

I don't even know you and I kept all your messages to show moderators.

You are not the only one, the 18 years kid also...

[idf_laxer_09]

he's always gotta get the last word in.


So what is your motive for doing a presentation like this in a country that is so against Israel?

[olowy]

Whoaaaaa!! Wikipedia ! what a source...

Are you sure you know english ?

I NEVER SAID THAT HEREV IS A SF !!

and go to the israeli ministry of defense, he said that they are the best with matkal and egoz. GOT IT ?

Also, some others defense experts.

Now, read again for 10 times this post.

Again... Again...

Right..See English is my first language so I do know it. I did not say that it was SF (which you keep repeating yourself) but you did say you were told they were comparable to SF units (go to your first post) and I am telling you were told that to make you feel better about being placed with a regular infantry unit.

This remind me of the old SNL skit where Martin Short played a company executive in a 60 minute type interview: "I am not being defensive you are being defensive. Is it me or is it him. It's him, isn't."

Plus are you still denying that the Druze in the Carmel are Isareli citizens? If not then you agree with the information in Wikipedia.