What Happened To This Abram Tank?

[Sayeret]

What exactly happened to this tanker crew. Did they have their hatchs open when an RPG hit or what? How are crews condition and the tank's?





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[Brozozo]

:( Does the guy in the top pic have his arm blown off? No way an RPG was responsible, Abrams have the toughest hide in the world. Even T-80s would it close to impossible to knock out an Abram from the front, Might have been caused by an IED detonated below the tank. RIP to those who weren't so lucky and hang those responsible by the balls.

[koster]

It got hit by a PG-7V on the back of the turret.

Brozozo, enough of this "toughest tank in the world" BS... every tank can be damaged and destroyed, even the M1 "Super Tank".

RIP to those who didn't made it.

[SEALInTheMaking]

I was watching that earlier, there's no way in hell an RPG did that. That Abrams either hit a mine, or was struck by an AT rocket much larger then an RPG. A very well placed AT4 might be able to that.

[California Joe]

I did read a report yesterday on the Early Bird of a tank being hit with 3 injured crewmen, no fatalities in the article I read but I don't know if it's the same incident.

[Macs.]

Video:
http://*******.feedroom.com
Under the "World News" section, the Video is called "Injured Soldiers", it shows the footage.


Does the guy in the top pic have his arm blown off?

No, he is just bleeding.

[scm77]

They showed the video those pictures came from on CNN. It was an RPG that hit it (although they didn't show it). They guy didn't have his arm blown off. It was just bloody and red. :(

[SEALInTheMaking]

It cant be an RPG. It couldnt do that much damage, unless it was somehow fired into an open hatch. It had to be a much larger AT missile.

[Ratamacue]

It cant be an RPG. It couldnt do that much damage, unless it was somehow fired into an open hatch. It had to be a much larger AT missile.

Tanks aren't invincible, buddy.

[SEALInTheMaking]

An RPG is not going to penetrate an Abrams armor. An RPG is a grenade with an engine, there no way one punched through that much armor.

[Uncle Sam]

An RPG did strike this tank. It could've been hit by two. The injuries are aresult of the RPG round exploding, but not entering the tank, because the loader and commander were the most injured. The driver didn't have a scratch. The tank commander usually sits out of the top of the tank and the loder is close by, and I'm sure the hatch was open. The loader had injuries to the head area. The fire you see is some of their equipment on fire ie. ruck..

...That's the way I see it anyway. I could be wrong. All survived btw.

[Ratamacue]

An RPG is not going to penetrate an Abrams armor. An RPG is a grenade with an engine, there no way one punched through that much armor.

In case you know nothing about tanks, they don't distribute armor completely evenly over the body. Abrams tanks have most of their armor up front to defend against other tanks. An RPG has disabled them several times before by hitting in more vulnerable areas.

[SEALInTheMaking]

That is possible. But those guys were pretty messed up for it only being concussion injuries.

[Sayeret]

Most RPGs aern't made to destroy modern tanks some will but its not like movies and games. It doesn't take one missile or RPG to destroy a tank no matter where you hit it and it also depends on the type of RPG or missile. I have heard times in which armored personnel carriers have been hit by RPGs and other AT weapons and survived because the part of the APC that was struck.

I doubt an RPG or any other weapon penetrated the tank just because the tank doesn't look too damaged. I may be wrong but I heard three of the crew were wounded and the fourth not at all. Probably an RPG hit the tank and the hatch was open.

[SEALInTheMaking]

I do know quite a bit about tanks, and munitions. The concussion resulting from an RPG strike could disable an Abrams. But unless your somehow underneath the tank, shooting up into its underbelly, your not going to punch through with an RPG.

[Ratamacue]

I do know quite a bit about tanks, and munitions. The concussion resulting from an RPG strike could disable an Abrams. But unless your somehow underneath the tank, shooting up into its underbelly, your not going to punch through with an RPG.

:cantbeli:

[Sayeret]

The concussion resulting from an RPG strike could disable an Abrams

What do you mean. I've heard that M1s and even M2 Bradys have been hit dozens of times by RPGs and survived.

[California Joe]

Someone better tell Ivy to sit down before he reads this thread.

[SEALInTheMaking]

Notice I said could. That means "its possible." The force of the impact "could" disrupt or disable vital equipment as it passed through the tank.

[Brozozo]

An RPG could possibly disable an Abrams, especially if it hit the back of the turret or at the tracks, but not from the front. I can't figure out how the detonation could injure those inside the tank aside from the commander who was probably outside the hatch. Whatever happened, I wish a speedy recovery for those who were wounded.

[Ratamacue]

Notice I said could. That means "its possible." The force of the impact "could" disrupt or disable vital equipment as it passed through the tank.

You also said that you can't punch through an Abrams with an RPG unless you hit the underbelly. It's too bad that it's happened before.

Quit while you're ahead, dude.

[California Joe]

I believe the only times that Abrams have been damaged in this entire conflict is when struck from behind at the turret or right in the ass. Or driven into a canal.

[Ratamacue]

I believe the only times that Abrams have been damaged in this entire conflict is when struck from behind at the turret or right in the ass. Or driven into a canal.

Yeah, well, an RPG can disable an Abrams if it hits the right spot in those regions. As amazing a tank as the Abrams is, it's not perfect contrary to what some people seem to believe.

[SEALInTheMaking]

Give me specific instances and pictures of an RPG penetrating an Abrams armor and I'll quit.

[Ratamacue]

Give me specific instances and pictures of an RPG penetrating an Abrams armor and I'll quit.

Why don't you go look for a link that specifically states that it's impossible for an RPG to penetrate any spot on an Abrams tank?

[SEALInTheMaking]

Arguing is more fun.

[Ratamacue]

Arguing is more fun.

Arguing about **** you don't know about is for fools.

[FinnishMF]

Arguing is more fun.
:backhand:

[SEALInTheMaking]

Am I the blue one. :P

Personally, I dont consider either one of us to be fools Ratamacue. I thought is was a fairly intelligent conversation up to now.

[FinnishMF]

Am I the blue one. :P

Personally, I dont consider either one of us to be fools Ratamacue. I thought is was a fairly intelligent conversation up to now.

Offtopic but,

Just keep in mind that M1 is not superior MBT.
Same class with Leo2, LeClerc, merkava, t-80, t-90.. and so on..
Which is best it depends on conditions.

Those tanks above are capable to destroy M1 from front.

It doesn't have to be amazing at-projectile to penetrate M1 from behind/side/top.

[HELEX]

@SEALInTheMaking

Link to M1 killed by a RPG:

http://strategypage.com/gallery/default.asp?target=solved.htm

The M1 is no immortal Supertank, the Merkava, Leclerc, Leopard 2 play in the same class and are better in some points and in others not.

[Truthsayer]

The tank survived, the crew was injured. Owerpressure alone, with flying debre and things could cause damage to the soldiers (that all could get out on their own of the tank).

Ofcourse one RPG isn't going to disable a tank, but the crew isn't a tank.

[hank]

I believe the only times that Abrams have been damaged in this entire conflict is when struck from behind at the turret or right in the ass. Or driven into a canal.

I am so sick of this crap. There is no way that the Iraqis could design a canal that could disable an Abrams. I mean, maybe the ocean, or a pit of lave, but a simple canal? You are retarded!

hank

[cut]

I do know quite a bit about tanks, and munitions. The concussion resulting from an RPG strike could disable an Abrams. But unless your somehow underneath the tank, shooting up into its underbelly, your not going to punch through with an RPG.

it looks like those hit were outside the tank did you not watch the ******* video?

[He219]

In the opening footage we see a tank charge toward the front lines with some of the crew 'exposed'.

Then we see a tank return from the front lines. You see one of the crew with an injured arm and then a second crewmember who douses a fire topside before he helps another injured crew-mate. You never actually see what was the cause.

The Tank certainly was not disabled. It appeared quite operable as it came in ...

[cut]

flames on the top of the tank suggest that it was not a IED under the tank, and the injuries, one on the left hand the other in chest would make it seem like they were hit when exposed at the top of the tank. And that would have to be an RPG, not an IED. Mind you none of this is certain and I don't claim to be an expert but common sense would suggest the latter to be more likely.

[California Joe]

I believe the only times that Abrams have been damaged in this entire conflict is when struck from behind at the turret or right in the ass. Or driven into a canal.

I am so sick of this crap. There is no way that the Iraqis could design a canal that could disable an Abrams. I mean, maybe the ocean, or a pit of lave, but a simple canal? You are retarded!

hank

My dear hank, sleep deprivation seems to have gotten the best of you. You mistake me for sixgun.

Your pal, Joe.

Actually a bridge gave way under the weight. ;)

[hank]

I believe the only times that Abrams have been damaged in this entire conflict is when struck from behind at the turret or right in the ass. Or driven into a canal.

I am so sick of this crap. There is no way that the Iraqis could design a canal that could disable an Abrams. I mean, maybe the ocean, or a pit of lave, but a simple canal? You are retarded!

hank

My dear hank, sleep deprivation seems to have gotten the best of you. You mistake me for sixgun.

Your pal, Joe.

Actually a bridge gave way under the weight. ;)

Sleep, I don't need no friggin sleep. By the way, I can confirm that 2 week old infants are impervious to canals and RPGs.

hank

[California Joe]

They are formidable creatures indeed. I'm sure Beo could have made great use of their abilities in the field to disorient and drive the enemy mad.

[Midav]

The M1 is a good tank, but some people need to realize it's not invincible.

If man created it, it damn sure as well can be taken out by man.

Two days ago in the news it was said one Abrams and a Bradley were damaged.

I assume this is the pic of the Abrams.

Just hope the crew made it out ok and doing better.

[Operation Ivy]

Im sticking with what i said before


Yea it looks like the Loader and Commander were riding around while sticking out of the tank then it was struck by an RPG i guess and injured both of them, and they also must have been sticking out because you can see the gunner and driver get out, so the tank is still fine. Hope those 2 get better


But they were proably sticking out when they were hit,then they went back in and drove off to a safer place to get help

And Seal hell yea an RPG can penetrate an Abrams, very unlikey it would be from the front, it would have to hit the skirts/side/or vents in the back of the tank,or even the top

[American Patriot]

That's what happens when there are no front lines. You get contact a mile from your base.

[Vintendo]

Well the news said it was hit by an RPG, but we know mainstream news are such military experts...
In the video it showed the crew coming out and pulling the injured out of the turret. But it could mean they were outside and then went in after the attack.
I noticed that the crewman was injured on his left side, however, the right side of the turret is on fire.
Anyways I don't think I contributed anything, besides more confusion.

[SEALInTheMaking]

OK, I looked at HELEX site, you guys were right. The site said that in that instance, it was a specially modified AT round, but I stand corrected. :oops:

:D

[stuntman]

I am not a expert but how is the top armor of most mbt? I am guessing that it was either a Iraqi shooting a rpg but maybe off a underpass or from top of a bridge! I also caught a glimps of a bbc report (very briefly) speculating about this being a blue on blue with maybe something called a small missle ?? What ever that is?

[Milkman]

I believe the only times that Abrams have been damaged in this entire conflict is when struck from behind at the turret or right in the ass. Or driven into a canal.

I am so sick of this crap. There is no way that the Iraqis could design a canal that could disable an Abrams. I mean, maybe the ocean, or a pit of lave, but a simple canal? You are retarded!

hank

My dear hank, sleep deprivation seems to have gotten the best of you. You mistake me for sixgun.

Your pal, Joe.

Actually a bridge gave way under the weight. ;)

Sleep, I don't need no friggin sleep. By the way, I can confirm that 2 week old infants are impervious to canals and RPGs.

hank

A driver of an abrams was shot and killed and the tank plunged into the canal it was crossing, so yes, it has happened.

[Hellman109]

From what I have seen the top hatch was open and the RPG hit the back of the turret, the injured crew were hit by shrapnel through the hatch, not directly (hence being alive and having limbs)

No one was killed, cept maybe whoever fired it :fork:

[grabie_bis]

errr, have someone considered the possibility of a molotov cocktail... crew seems burned, not injuried by shrapnel and that would explain the fire on the turret... what do you think?

[Brozozo]

I am not a expert but how is the top armor of most mbt? I am guessing that it was either a Iraqi shooting a rpg but maybe off a underpass or from top of a bridge! I also caught a glimps of a bbc report (very briefly) speculating about this being a blue on blue with maybe something called a small missle ?? What ever that is?

MBT armor is at its thinnest at the top of the tank since that's the place least likely to be hit. Armor varies in thickness around the tank dur to weight considerations, all round thick armor would create a vehicle to heavy to transport by any aircraft.