Question about G3

[ostius]

Hi,

I found from FM23-8 valuable information about M14 and M14A1:

Rates of fire. These can be maintained without danger to the firer of damage to the weapon.
Semiautomatic. Rounds per minute for a maximum period of:
2 minutes ---------------- 40
10 minutes --------------- 30
20 minutes --------------- 20
30 minutes (or more) ----- 15
Automatic. Rounds per minute for a maximum period of:
1 minute ----------------- 60
2 minutes ---------------- 50
5 minutes ---------------- 40
15 minutes --------------- 30
20 minutes --------------- 25
30 minutes (or more) ----- 20

Can anybody give me analogous information for G3A3? Especially I am interested in AK4 (G3A3 made in Sweden). And please do not suggest me to use Google; I have read several manuals and web pages, but no success!

[Luno]

Don’t know if I did understand you question but the AK 4 have a firing rate from 500 to 650 rounds per minute. And the rule is that you shouldn’t fire more then three magazine Semiautomatic/Automatic quick fire (3 X 20 Round). :)

[Adam Wilhelm]

And the rule is that you shouldn’t fire more then three magazine Semiautomatic/Automatic quick fire (3 X 20 Round). :)

This is in peacetime.
War is different. p-)

[Luno]

This is in peacetime.
War is different. p-)


Haha I don’t know the limit in wartime . And I can’t find the info in “SäkI Ehv” p-)

[MG 3]

This is in peacetime.
War is different. p-)


Well you follow training in war. and more than 3 rounds from a G3 and you need it to be mounted to be accurate over ranges. I our experience it has been mighty powerful but the recoil is a minor prob but stil the G3 rokswoot .

Can you explain your question a little further.

[Adam Wilhelm]

The 60-round limit is a peacetime rule here in sweden to avoid **** offs.
The weapon must cool to handwarmth before being used again.

In wartime the soldiers will fire their weapon as long there is ammo and enemies.

[nickless]

The Bundeswehr's manual on the G3 only says you have to allow to cool the barrel unil you can safely touch it again after 100 rounds have been fired in fast semi-automatic or automatic fire, there is no table like the one you found fo the M14.

[ostius]

Thank you for information! My problem was very shameful. I shot 100 rounds with fast semi-automatic fire and my AK4 barrel turned blue. This made me a little bit nervous. I suspected that metal might become softer because of temperature.

[Luno]

Thank you for information! My problem was very shameful. I shot 100 rounds with fast semi-automatic fire and my AK4 barrel turned blue. This made me a little bit nervous. I suspected that metal might become softer because of temperature.That’s no problem mate and the rifle can take it.
what company did make your rifle ? Carl-Gustaf ,Husqvarna or H&K

[ostius]

What company did make your rifle ? Carl-Gustaf ,Husqvarna or H&K
I have no idea. Assault rifle is definitely made in Sweden, because on the magazine holder are three crowns. Carl-Gustaf or Husqvarna? Can you describe differences? Some logo? Colour? Detail?

[Luno]

There are three different manufactures of the AK4 and here are the stamps
But there is no major different between the rifles

H&K AK4
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1345/akvy4.jpg[/URL]


Carl-Gustaf AK4 didn’t find a rifle but you can see the Crowned C on this magazine
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/7141/swemag3gq1.jpg


Husqvarna AK4
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1802/18dbor2.jpg[URL="http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1802/18dbor2.jpg"] (http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1345/akvy4.jpg)

[ostius]

Crowned C looks familiar.

[EMPEROR ATTiLA]

This is in peacetime.
War is different. p-)
its exactly true..after 2 magazine shooting holding of fore grip hanguard is too hard..because it becomes too hot ..many times soldiers start to handle magazines instead of foregrip handguard
especially in operations you must wear thick glover in your hands ...so if you wanna survive shooting should be as much as slow..

[Biglug]

its exactly true..after 2 magazine shooting holding of fore grip hanguard is too hard..because it becomes too hot ..many times soldiers start to handle magazines instead of foregrip handguard
especially in operations you must wear thick glover in your hands ...so if you wanna survive shooting should be as much as slow..

I'm doubt any of the world armies still using any G3 variants would put the money towards it, but the best way to take care of that and make the weapon and it's recoil more controllable is to put a B&T railed handguard on it with a vertical grip. The use of the vertical grip gives you a much more natural and better hold of the rifle.

In America we have a company called JLD Enterprises that makes high quality G3 variants with traditional and modern railed forend/retracteable buttstock setups.
I have one myself and having shot the traditional setups more than enough, find it just so much more controllable and faster to aim.
It eliminates all the forend heat problems and gives an excellent adjustable length of pull with options for cheek pieces to adjust the comb height for optics.


http://ptr91.com/PTR-91KFM4/PICT0113-600.jpg
http://ptr91.com/PTR-91KFM4/PICT0117-600.jpg



http://ptr91.com/


B&T railed handguards

http://www.brugger-thomet.ch

http://www.brugger-thomet.ch/inhalt/02/pdbilder/0003/002/BT-21676_web.jpg

[Luno]

Biglug thanks for the info mate
there are some testing with AK4B with RIS/RAS and with a vertical grip and a bipod by the swedish homeguard :)

http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/9291/im000756xn9.jpg

[Biglug]

My pleasure Luno.




http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/9291/im000756xn9.jpg
I've seen that picture before. It's a nice setup and should be great if they adopt it.
I think that's Knight's railed forend with a Harris style bipod and Aimpoint on the optics rail mount. Looks good.
I've always thought refining the stock or atleast the shoulder pad for that setup would be more comfortable.
An adjustable lop is always nice too.
I have a hard time myself getting rid of the back up set of iron sights though if the Aimpoint goes out.


If they were to weld a small picattiny rail to the front of the cocking tube than they could move the Aimpoint forward and put a set of folding down buis on for emergency.

Troy Industries buis would be a good choice, but it's unsure whether the sight height would work well with the G3 at that point.
I'm sure they could design something if they wanted. The G3 is still an excellent rifle system.


http://www.troyind.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=70

[EMPEROR ATTiLA]

in counter guerilla operations G3 has alot of problem..1..it is heavy...long time period operations carrying become torture..you may feel your arms get longer after 8 hours carrying g3..2..full auto shoots is at the standig really uncontrolable.recoil is much more than ak 47 or any 5.56mm systems..3..an avarage soldier can carry 6 magazines and 120 rounds...but just 5 AK47 or M16 MAGAZİNES has 150 rounds..4...mechanism of the rifle is too close cover parts..dust mud little stones can stuck mechanism ...m 16 has same proplem...this differnet is superior of AK 47 desingn... in the confilicts TURKİSH army has got most experience with G3 in the world..
actually G3 is called daisy maker in TURKİSH army.because .308 winchester shoots make an effect on body very LARGE DAİSY shape....l saw some times intestines or stomach parts can come out.because rounds may rolls inside of body..

[ClydeFrog]

in the confilicts TURKİSH army has got most experience with G3 in the world..

I'd say they are "among those with the most experience in combat". There's a lot of G3s in use in Africa which have been seeing combat for decades.. and will see for decades.

[Adam Wilhelm]

in the confilicts TURKİSH army has got most experience with G3 in the world..


Tell that to the Pakistanis.

[Hydro]

And the Iranians.