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Uncle Sam
04-08-2004, 08:18 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116501,00.html


BAGHDAD, Iraq — A new U.S.-led operation is under way to eliminate the al-Mahdi Army militia, led by the anti-American radical Shiite (search) cleric Muqtada al-Sadr (search).

Operation Resolute Sword will aim to break the hold the militia has over some parts of three southern Iraqi cities as U.S. Marines and Iraqi soldiers continue to battle insurgents in Fallujah and other cities.

In escalating violence against foreign civilians, insurgents kidnapped three Japanese, eight South Koreans and two Arab aid workers from Jerusalem.

The militia led by al-Sadr has full control over the city of Kut and partial control in Najaf, but coalition forces will move soon, said Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez (search), the top U.S. general in Iraq. Residents of Kufa said Thursday militiamen also control that southern city by holding police stations and government buildings.

In a videotape broadcast to the Arab world by Al-Jazeera, captors armed with automatic rifles and swords threatened to kill the blindfolded Japanese hostages unless Tokyo removed its troops from Iraq. Japan said it had "no reason" to withdraw.

Iraq's interior minister, who leads police and security forces, resigned at the request of top U.S. administrator, L. Paul Bremer, to maintain balance between Sunni and Shiite factions on the governing council. It was unclear if the resignation of Nuri al-Badran was also connected with the failure of Iraqi police to confront insurgents that coalition forces are battling on two fronts.

Sanchez said there appeared to be links "at the lowest levels" between the Shiite militia — which has been battling coalition forces in at least a half-dozen southern cities this week — and Sunni Arab insurgents who have long fought U.S. troops in central Iraq cities such as Fallujah and Ramadi.

Ukrainian troops were forced to withdraw from their bases in Kut on Wednesday, but Sanchez said coalition forces would retake it "imminently."

He suggested the presence of hundreds of thousands of Shiite pilgrims in Najaf for a religious occasion this weekend was hampering coalition forces from moving against militiamen there.

"We are very cognizant of the religious ceremonies," he said.

Polish and Bulgarian soldiers drove off Shiites who attacked them near the municipal hall in Karbala south of Baghdad during all-night battles, a Polish spokesman said.

Coalition forces suffered no casualties but killed nine attackers and wounded about 20 others, Lt. Col. Robert Strzelecki said in an interview from Iraq.

The attacks began about 11 p.m. Wednesday and continued until nearly sunrise, Strzelecki said. The attackers, loyal to al-Sadr, used machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and small arms during fighting that the spokesman described as heavy.

In the Sunni Muslim stronghold of Fallujah, U.S. Marines fought insurgents for a second day. One U.S. Marine was reported killed by the military, although it released no details.

Marines battled again around the Abdel-Aziz al-Samarrai mosque, which Capt. James Edge said insurgents were again using as a base despite a six-hour battle Wednesday to uproot them. Helicopters were deployed to support the Marines, he said.

Capping Wednesday's battle, a U.S. Cobra helicopter fired a missile at the base of the mosque's minaret, and an F-16 dropped a laser-guided bomb at the wall, allowing Marines to move in and seize the site, Lt. Col. Brennan Byrne said.

Fighting this week in Fallujah, Ramadi and elsewhere has left 36 Americans and at least 459 Iraqis dead. The director of the city's hospital, Taher Al-Issawai, said the figure included more than 280 Iraqis killed since the Marines' siege against insurgents in Fallujah, west of Baghdad, began early Monday.

The kidnappings represented a new tactic targeting foreigners in Iraq in order to pressure their governments, which are allied with the United States. It could affect U.N. workers, journalists, aid workers, Christian missionaries, security personnel and those doing business with the Iraqi government.

Lawmakers in Tokyo said the Japanese civilians — identified as two male journalists and a female aid worker — were kidnapped by a terrorist-related group, according to the Japanese news agency Kyodo.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yasuo Fukuda said the government was still trying to confirm the reports about the hostages, but he added that Japan was standing firm in its commitment to Iraq, adding there was "no reason" to withdraw.

In the videotape, obtained by The Associated Press, three Japanese were shown blindfolded and crouched on the floor of a concrete walled room with an iron door standing behind them are four masked gunmen in black, holding automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenade launchers.

The gunmen made the Japanese lie on the floor, pointing swords and knives at their chests and throats. The woman's lips could be seen moving as if she was speaking.

One gunman put a knife to the throat of a man, whose eyes widened in panic, and he struggled against his captor. The woman wept and hid her eyes as another gunman tried to pull her hands away from her face and he pressed a knife toward her throat.

The video also showed the captives' passports.

Tokyo has sent 530 ground troops to the southern city of Samawah, part of a planned deployment of 1,100 on a noncombat mission to purify water and help rebuild Iraq — Japan's first deployment of troops since World War II.

Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi has been one of the strongest backers of the U.S.-led invasion, a stance that has raised concern Japanese troops could be targeted by insurgents.

The Japanese were taken by a group identifying itself as the "Mujahedeen Squadrons," which Al-Jazeera said gave a three-day ultimatum for Japan to announce it will withdraw its troops or they would be killed.

The eight South Koreans were detained by unidentified "armed men," but one was later released, a Foreign Ministry official in Seoul told AP, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The eight evangelical Christians left in two cars on April 5 from Amman, Jordan, when they were seized about 155 miles east of Baghdad, said the escapee, identified by South Korea's Yonhap news agency as Kim Sang Mik, from a church in Incheon.

Yonhap did not say how Kim escaped. The South Korean Foreign Ministry told the AP it did not know who was responsible for the capture.

Earlier this week, two South Korean aid workers were briefly detained by Shiite forces in a gunbattle with Italian peacekeepers. They were released unharmed.

About 460 South Korean medics and military engineers have been in Nasiriyah for almost a year. They will come home after South Korea sends the new deployment of up to 3,600 troops to the Kurdish region of northern Iraq later this year.

Israeli media reported, meanwhile, that two Arab residents of Jerusalem — including one with a U.S. driver's license from the state of Georgia who works for an American aid agency — were kidnapped Thursday by insurgents in Iraq, although the Israeli Foreign Ministry could not confirm the report. It was unclear whether the two were Israeli citizens.

The Iranian TV report, rebroadcast in Israel, showed men identifying themselves as international aid workers Nabil Razouk, 30, and Ahmed Yassin Tikati, 33.

The report showed photos of their documents, which included Razouk's Georgia driver's license and an Israeli driver's license.

His uncle, Anton, told the AP that his nephew was an Israeli citizen with an Israeli passport who was working for the U.S. Agency for International Development. An Arab Christian, Razouk lives in east Jerusalem and is married to a Czech, Anton Razouk said.

"I am very worried. I pray for his safety," Anton Razouk said.

"I want to tell the Iraqis he is not a spy, not for America and not for Israel," he said. "He is an Arab, a member of the Arab nation, a Palestinian like me living in Jerusalem under Israeli occupation."

Also Thursday, three explosions were heard in central Baghdad. A coalition spokeswoman said the blasts were the result of controlled detonations of seized ordnance.

HELEX
04-08-2004, 08:35 PM
Operations with "big names" when **** starts to hit the fan..... Reminds me on Vietnam....

Resolute Sword..... maybe Operation "nice try" would be a better name. :roll:

Beowulf
04-08-2004, 08:36 PM
Operations with "big names" when **** starts to hit the fan..... Reminds me on Vietnam....

Resolute Sword..... maybe Operation "nice try" would be a better name. :roll:

easy to make fun instead of offering viable solutions isn't it?

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HELEX
04-08-2004, 08:54 PM
Well, you know my Opinion: Get out of there and let the Shias take the Power. You can not install a working democracy there, they still have some kind of medivial thinking.

The coalition Troops were never seen as Liberators, perhaps only by a small minority. The iraqi people have the right to kill their leaders themself if they want to have new ones. They have the right to make their own mistakes. They have the right to live in an unfree country if they want to. Nobody called for that intervention by the coalition.

Pooga
04-08-2004, 09:04 PM
…and if they have a right to kill us, we have a right to kill them…

HELEX
04-08-2004, 09:08 PM
…and if they have a right to kill us, we have a right to kill them…

So when did the Iraqis attack the US? When did Iraqis took part in an Terroristic attack against the USA?

SR15
04-08-2004, 09:09 PM
oh no, here we go again. :bash:

Obergefreiter
04-08-2004, 09:10 PM
Helex, that's a great idea. Let's just pull all allied troops out and sit back and watch the the mess turn into tribal warfare then into genocide. What a GREAT idea.


Would that make you happy? I mean after all, they would be killing eachother instead of the evil "westerners".

MK133
04-08-2004, 09:15 PM
Helix, they would cut your head off if they had the chance buddy! Even the kids overthere would put an AK to your head, blow you away and laugh at you.

FallenAngel
04-08-2004, 09:15 PM
…and if they have a right to kill us, we have a right to kill them…

So when did the Iraqis attack the US? When did Iraqis took part in an Terroristic attack against the USA?

He's refering to the current situation you jackass :roll:

I don't know where you got your "small minority" thing from anyways. I've talked to probably a dozen Marines who were over there and each one said that the vast majority of the people in Iraq appreciate what the coalition is trying to establish there.

This uprising is nothing different than what goes on in other countries. The poor, unemployed and uneducated ban together to take out their frustration upon a symbol of authority and those who support that authority. In LA, we call those "gangs". Over there, they are called something else- terrorists, militia, mujahadeen, whatever. In this case however, you have a supposed authority figure who steps over to "their" side and tells them what they are doing is not only OK, but necessary for them to rise out of the circumstances they are in- thus manipulating the lowly average guy into fighting when in reality, he sincerely probably wouldn't have had everything been left alone.

He219
04-08-2004, 09:48 PM
You can not install a working democracy there, they still have some kind of medivial thinking.
If that's what we would have thought of Germans and Japanese after WWII, you would still be acting as if in the stone-age, or perhaps you are?

Imagine, you were considered the 'Babarian' by the Romans. Yet your superiority complex obviously motivated you to stereotype the very people originating from the cradle of civilization. Try not to be such a bigot.


They have the right to live in an unfree country if they want to.
Quite the Oxymoron. 'The right to live without rights'. :roll:

Pooga
04-08-2004, 10:32 PM
Thanx Fallen. Yer a pal! ;)

How would you know that they'd rather live under a Hussein-esque regime? Just because there are truckloads of crazy people with nothing better to do driving towards the Fallujah fight? What happens when an AC-130 blows them all to oblivion, or wherever they go? All the really big morons will be dead. Then we'll hear what the reasonable people have to say (assuming there are reasonable people…). Natural selection.

HELEX
04-09-2004, 06:48 AM
Helex, that's a great idea. Let's just pull all allied troops out and sit back and watch the the mess turn into tribal warfare then into genocide. What a GREAT idea.

Nobody cared about the genocide in Ruanda, so why now? And I really think there will be no Genocide, just joy when the occupants leave.


In LA, we call those "gangs". Over there, they are called something else- terrorists, militia, mujahadeen, whatever.

And if you really think the situation is caused by "gangs" you have a Problem...

Soulhunter
04-09-2004, 06:56 AM
Ruanda wasn't interesting enough for the western world. And it had neither oil nor a guy who had tried to kill somebody important's daddy.

So everybody leaned back and let them slaughter themselves. Shame on us all.

The US (and most other countries probably too, but the US especially) only intervenes for egoistical, political and financial reasons. Not for moral ones. The moral arguments only come when all others arguments have been exposed as faker or when those arguments haven't unleashed the espected support.

duck
04-09-2004, 06:59 AM
The European economies and societies are just as depended on oil as the US is. And so are China and Japan.

Now, why did Saddam invade Kuwait? For moral reasons?

Soulhunter
04-09-2004, 07:04 AM
duck: I don't see your point?

of course Saddam didn't invade for moral grounds, he was an a**hole and dictator.

HELEX
04-09-2004, 07:05 AM
Now, why did Saddam invade Kuwait? For moral reasons?

Because Kuwait ignored the Oil producing quotes and the US said that is an innerarabic problem and they will do nothing against that.

Soulhunter
04-09-2004, 07:08 AM
not quite .. it was because Saddam thought of Kuwait as a renegade province , wanted their oil and their access to the Gulf.

Soulhunter
04-09-2004, 07:09 AM
Helex, when did the US say they wouldn't intervene in an Iraqi invasion of Kuweit? Do you have sources?

HELEX
04-09-2004, 07:19 AM
This source is the only one i found in short time, but there were others stating the same:

http://www.nowarcollective.com/gulfwarfactsheet.htm


To make the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq the starting point of an analysis of the Gulf Crisis ignores the fact that this was a purposefully manipulated strategy by the United States to gain control over the region. To begin with, the borders drawn between Muslim countries in the Middle East are not historically grown borders, but arbitrarily drawn by the former colonial powers, and part of the aim was to divide the region in a way which would ensure instability and the need for ongoing support by those colonial powers even after their withdrawal. When it comes to the actual invasion, two factors were crucial for encouraging the regime of Saddam Hussein (a Western stooge installed, equipped, paid for and protected by America):

a) the manipulation of the oil price with its detrimental effect on Iraqi debts to Kuwait and an ultimatum by Kuwait for repayment

b) the American ambassador's (April Glaspie) encouragement of an invasion by indicating to Iraq that America would remain indifferent to an invasion and consider it as an internal affair.

"I have a direct instruction from the president to seek better relations with Iraq... President Bush is an intelligent man. He is not going to wage an economic war against Iraq." (25 July 1990)

"...we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait... James Baker has directed our official spokesman to emphasize this instruction."

Through this engineered conflict the United States of America has managed to gain control not just over Kuwait, but also Saudi Arabia and other hitherto inaccessible parts of the Muslim world and has managed to force those oil-affluent economies into debt due to the cost of the military operation.

Pooga
04-09-2004, 01:44 PM
Just joy when the occupants leave?

Speaking of, "And if you really think the situation is caused by 'gangs' you have a Problem..."

And if you really think the Iraqis will be living in a world of bunny rabbits and happiness if the Coalition leaves, you have a Problem…

ibstolidude
04-10-2004, 12:25 AM
The coalition Troops were never seen as Liberators, perhaps only by a small minority.

I really don't care about your opinion, you are entitled to it - but stop posting erroneous **** that you pawn off as facts. You have really been doing it entirely too often lately and frankly it is getting old.

what proof do you offer when all the pollings Oxford, WSJ and those conducted by Iraqis for Iraqis (even as late as mid/late March04) show otherwise; ESPECIALLY to say that "Troops were never seen as Liberators, perhaps only ba small minority". That simply isn't true, what proof do you offer?