View Full Version : Mexico may take fence dispute to U.N.
Jeremiah
10-10-2006, 12:20 AM
By JENNY BARCHFIELD, Associated Press Writer Mon Oct 9, 4:59 PM ET
PARIS - Mexico's foreign secretary said Monday the country may take a dispute over U.S. plans to build a fence on the Mexican border to the
United Nations.
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Luis Ernesto Derbez told reporters in Paris, his first stop on a European tour, that a legal investigation was under way to determine whether Mexico has a case.
The Mexican government last week sent a diplomatic note to Washington criticizing the plan for 700 miles of new fencing along the border. President-elect Felipe Calderon also denounced the plan, but said it was a bilateral issue that should not be put before the international community.
Derbez said Monday after meeting with French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy that it was a "shame" U.S. immigration policy had been used for what he claimed was a short-term political gain in the lead-up to midterm elections in the U.S. in November.
He said he discussed the issue with Douste-Blazy, and planned to bring it up in meetings with his Spanish and Italian counterparts during visits to Madrid and Rome. He vowed to work on the case until the "very last day" of President
Vicente Fox's term, which ends Dec. 1.
The U.S. Senate approved the border fence bill last month and
President Bush has said he will sign it into law — despite last-minute pleas from the Mexican government for a veto.
"What should be constructed is a bridge in relations between the two countries," Derbez said
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061009/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_us_border_fence;_ylt=Are2xeU_7qcZE4jfr_pW39NvaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTA0cDJlYmhvBHNlYwM-
ummm, the US cannot legaly secure its own borders now?
does Mexico actually think this attempt will work?
Hunterhr
10-10-2006, 12:34 AM
Hilarious stuff Mexico. Good game.
We'll drop building the wall, but block all money transfers to Mexican banks instead...
praetorian6
10-10-2006, 12:39 AM
Yeah, ummmm, we would like the US to, uhhh, not build a fence on their own borders...and stuff......rofl
The UN can ask us not to do that when they patrol our borders for us.:roll:
Pandy
10-10-2006, 12:52 AM
Yeah, ummmm, we would like the US to, uhhh, not build a fence on their own borders...and stuff......rofl
The UN can ask us not to do that when they patrol our borders for us.:roll:
I was thinking of something like that, or build a 15 foot wall across the border.
2Sheds_Jackson
10-10-2006, 01:12 AM
ummm, the US cannot legaly secure its own borders now?
does Mexico actually think this attempt will work?
Are you kidding me? A chance to put a thumb in the eye of the northern oppressor? A venue to expose the racist underbelly of the great Satan? Oh, it will be a glorious day at the UN.
FallenAngel
10-10-2006, 01:14 AM
Are you kidding me? A chance to put a thumb in the eye of the northern oppressor? A venue to expose the racist underbelly of the great Satan? Oh, it will be a glorious day at the UN.
Da Comrade. p-)
Hunterhr
10-10-2006, 01:15 AM
Are you kidding me? A chance to put a thumb in the eye of the northern oppressor? A venue to expose the racist underbelly of the great Satan? Oh, it will be a glorious day at the UN.
I bet you they'd authorize military action to remove the fence in less than a day.
Ordie
10-10-2006, 01:21 AM
I don't think there is case.
The US and Mexico have existing bi-lateral border agreements in place.
The last agreement dealt with a water channel on the Rio Grande and the Maritime Borders.
I demand that peacekeepers be sent to the US- Mexico border.
loganinkosovo
10-10-2006, 02:56 AM
I demand that peacekeepers be sent to the US- Mexico border.
I've been putting Crocs in the Rio Grande.....Ain't that enough? :)
Note to self: More Crocs......
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/08/D8KKQRHO0.html
Fishermen Catch Crocodile in Rio Grande
Mexican fishermen captured a 7.5-foot crocodile in the Rio Grande (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22Rio+Grande%22&sid=breitbart.com), the river that divides part of Mexico and the United States, authorities reported on Sunday. Illegal migrants from Mexico frequently swim or ride inner tubes across the Rio Grande to reach the United States. Crocodiles (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=crocodiles&sid=breitbart.com) do not normally inhabit the river, and authorities suspect it may have been brought to the area as a pet and then released into the river by its owner.
The reptile was caught on a fisherman's line on Saturday in a sparsely populated stretch of the river on the outskirts of Nuevo Laredo (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22Nuevo+Laredo%22&sid=breitbart.com), across from Laredo (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=laredo&sid=breitbart.com), Texas. It was turned over to a local animal shelter.
The crocodile weighed about 130 pounds and appeared to be young and in good condition, said Jose Moreno Araiza, a commander of the Nuevo Laredo fire department, where the fishermen first brought the reptile in the back of a pickup truck.
It was then turned over to the local Animal Protection Society, whose president, Gina Ferrara, said it would be kept for the time being in improvised holding area with a pool of water. Federal environmental officials were informed of the capture and will eventually decide what to do with the crocodile.
I've been putting Crocs in the Rio Grande.....Ain't that enough? :)
Note to self: More Crocs......
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/08/D8KKQRHO0.html
Fishermen Catch Crocodile in Rio Grande
Mexican fishermen captured a 7.5-foot crocodile in the Rio Grande (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22Rio+Grande%22&sid=breitbart.com), the river that divides part of Mexico and the United States, authorities reported on Sunday. Illegal migrants from Mexico frequently swim or ride inner tubes across the Rio Grande to reach the United States. Crocodiles (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=crocodiles&sid=breitbart.com) do not normally inhabit the river, and authorities suspect it may have been brought to the area as a pet and then released into the river by its owner.
The reptile was caught on a fisherman's line on Saturday in a sparsely populated stretch of the river on the outskirts of Nuevo Laredo (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22Nuevo+Laredo%22&sid=breitbart.com), across from Laredo (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=laredo&sid=breitbart.com), Texas. It was turned over to a local animal shelter.
The crocodile weighed about 130 pounds and appeared to be young and in good condition, said Jose Moreno Araiza, a commander of the Nuevo Laredo fire department, where the fishermen first brought the reptile in the back of a pickup truck.
It was then turned over to the local Animal Protection Society, whose president, Gina Ferrara, said it would be kept for the time being in improvised holding area with a pool of water. Federal environmental officials were informed of the capture and will eventually decide what to do with the crocodile.
lol..........thats kinda terrible.
Azreal La Mort
10-10-2006, 09:04 AM
we should build the fence and lay mine fields, and post signs that state the legal ways to becomea U.S. citizen all along the fencem as well as stating that there are mine fields. And as far as the bits and pieces of people that were to stupid to read the signs..we should just leave them for the buzzards to pick clean...roflmao....rofl
annihilation
10-10-2006, 09:16 AM
They have no case, but should they win something. I guess the UN can bring mexico up to the UN about their lack of control on immigration.
Gibby
10-10-2006, 03:31 PM
Are you kidding me? A chance to put a thumb in the eye of the northern oppressor? A venue to expose the racist underbelly of the great Satan? Oh, it will be a glorious day at the UN.
Yep. there is no chance the UN wont side with Mexico on this.
tsuri
10-10-2006, 03:38 PM
Yep. there is no chance the UN wont side with Mexico on this.
Everyone hates the US, what do you expect?
But the UN cant in any possible way deny anyone the right to build such a wall. They can informally condemn it but the UN as an institution set in place that their nations cant mess with the affairs of other nations(with few exceptions)
I would rather expect an interesting comment from the WTO however.
I also dont understand which arguments Mexico would want to use. Its only a secure border, relations between both countries, including visa and all that will totally remain in place.
2Sheds_Jackson
10-10-2006, 04:43 PM
Yeah, I don't expect the UN to actually do anything. The UN never does anything - but we'll be treated to endless speeches about oppression, and violation of rights, and forcing families to die in the desert, and humanitarian crises, and obligations under sections XYZ of the UN People's Charter of Things that Rich Folk Have to Give to the Poor Just Because It's the Right Thing to Do and what not.
As useless as the UN has exposed itself to be, I think they'll side with the US on this. The mexicans haven't a pierna to stand on.
XShipRider
10-10-2006, 04:52 PM
I'm predicting 191 to 1 on this issue. That is, 191 nations will bloviate endlessly regarding
this proposed "human rights" violation.
Abolith
10-10-2006, 04:57 PM
As useless as the UN has exposed itself to be, I think they'll side with the US on this. The mexicans haven't a pierna to stand on.
not a chance... the UN loves to stand with anything that is anti-US.
I dont think Russia for one will chastize the US for building this fence.
at least I hope it wont.
Ordie
10-10-2006, 05:44 PM
I dont think Russia for one will chastize the US for building this fence.
at least I hope it wont.
Not unless its across the Bearing Sea.
not a chance... the UN loves to stand with anything that is anti-US.
I disagree. This is an opportunity for the UN to "reinforce" its credibility by showing that it will even side with evil old America once in a while in the name of fairness. After all, they don't want to appear as though they're biased or something.p-)
Banzai!
10-10-2006, 06:02 PM
And what's the UN going to do? Impose sanctions on the US?
LOL! what is with the threads today? they are as funny as hell!
as our mexican forum friend gafes said mexico needs to build itself up and not rely on the US for its economy. or something to that effect.
but damn this thread was a riot. WE cant build what WE want in OUR country. ****ing hilarious! bringing the UN into the situation, ****ing priceless! that will solve the problem! LOLOLOLOLOL!
As useless as the UN has exposed itself to be, I think they'll side with the US on this. The mexicans haven't a pierna to stand on.
Gotta go with the Snake on this one. It might be fashionable to knock the U.S. on its enthusiastic approach to foreign policy, but this is something to which every country can relate. Who wants a neighbouring country to determine your immigration and border control laws?
Why is Mexico so pissed off? How much money does get sent back to Mexico by illegal workers? Theres got to be an economic angle at work here.
Come to think of it...how about a friendly compromise? The US can use cheap Mex labour to build the fence.p-)
annihilation
10-10-2006, 10:19 PM
Gotta go with the Snake on this one. It might be fashionable to knock the U.S. on its enthusiastic approach to foreign policy, but this is something to which every country can relate. Who wants a neighbouring country to determine your immigration and border control laws?
Why is Mexico so pissed off? How much money does get sent back to Mexico by illegal workers? Theres got to be an economic angle at work here.
Come to think of it...how about a friendly compromise? The US can use cheap Mex labour to build the fence.p-)
Mexico is pissed because they feel its their right to cross the boarder illegally. But its a great way to remove a layer of the work force with out having to much deal with them.
Mexico is pissed because they feel its their right to cross the boarder illegally. But its a great way to remove a layer of the work force with out having to much deal with them.
After all, aren't California, Texas, New Mexico et. al. Mexican territories anyway?p-)
I suspect the Mexican government is mad because:
A) lots of those dollars get sent home to Mexico.
B) Sending some of your poor and your criminals north is a nice pressure-release mechanism.
C) Stirs feelings of nationalism, gives the people something to focus on, other than the condition of the Mexican government.
annihilation
10-10-2006, 10:28 PM
After all, aren't California, Texas, New Mexico et. al. Mexican territories anyway?p-)
Was in the past tense. But if we wish to go further in time. California, Texas, New Mexico and Mexico, it self belong to the spanish. Before them to the aztec. Easy comes as easy goes.....
Was in the past tense. But if we wish to go further in time. California, Texas, New Mexico and Mexico, it self belong to the spanish. Before them to the aztec. Easy comes as easy goes.....
Well, It was meant to be facetious. In reference to it's former status as Mexican territories before the war and in reference to the large number of illegals which inhabit the area currently.
D-gin
10-10-2006, 10:37 PM
I suspect the Mexican government is mad because:
A) lots of those dollars get sent home to Mexico.
I remember FOX News reporting that 1/4 of the Mexican economy come from people who are here in the U.S. illegally
But that if you want to believe FOX News....p-)
Miles.
10-10-2006, 10:39 PM
Mexico is pissed because they feel its their right to cross the boarder illegally. But its a great way to remove a layer of the work force with out having to much deal with them.
A layer of the work force that is unemployed and in poverty. That's what most people seem to miss. Mexico is illegally exporting its unemployed to the United States.
I remember FOX News reporting that 1/4 of the Mexican economy come from people who are here in the U.S. illegally
But that if you want to believe FOX News....p-)
Oh, I most certainly believe it. Most of the guys here are here to make the dinero for the family back home. There's even a term for them...bird something, or something...anyway, they come here for a few months, make some money and send it back home, either by mail or when they return.
A layer of the work force that is unemployed and in poverty. That's what most people seem to miss. Mexico is illegally exporting its unemployed to the United States.
See point B of my earlier postp-)
Miles.
10-10-2006, 10:45 PM
See point B of my earlier postp-)
I concur with that post.
We're preaching to the choir since all the Mexican flamers got shotgun-banned.
D-gin
10-10-2006, 10:46 PM
Oh, I most certainly believe it. Most of the guys here are here to make the dinero for the family back home. There's even a term for them...bird something, or something...anyway, they come here for a few months, make some money and send it back home, either by mail or when they return.
Yep I know that one of the reasons I'm a bit on the fence (pardon the term) on this subject, If you were to turn the the tables and I was put in there spot I would probably do the same thing and come up here to work.
Belrick
10-10-2006, 10:47 PM
All you Yanks seem to have conveniently forgotten why the UN was against the US . (trumped up bs excuses to invade Iraq) while remembering only that the UN did stand against the US.
Miles.
10-10-2006, 10:49 PM
All you Yanks seem to have conveniently forgotten why the UN was against the US . (trumped up bs excuses to invade Iraq) while remembering only that the UN did stand against the US.
Ummm...
Nice transition.
I concur with that post.
We're preaching to the choir since all the Mexican flamers got shotgun-banned.
Yeah, I was just being a tool, looking for creditp-)
And does Belrick's post make sense to anyone else?
D-gin
10-10-2006, 10:49 PM
Yeah, I was just being a tool, looking for creditp-)
And does Belrick's post make sense to anyone else?
Nope, But I'm an idiot.....p-)
Miles.
10-10-2006, 10:50 PM
Yeah, I was just being a tool, looking for creditp-)
And does Belrick's post make sense to anyone else?
You're not alone. I almost see where he is going, but I don't see the context.
It could be a response to an earlier post.
Belrick might have been better off pointing out that the U.N. has been narcy with the U.S. for the last decade. The U.S. has repeatedly withheld funding, tying funding to U.N. agreement with U.S. interests. Was that what you meant Belrick?
Ordie
10-11-2006, 01:00 AM
Because the United States of America and the United States of Mexico (yes that's the official title) have existing bi-lateral treaties in regards to the international boundary. There is no case for the UN. The UN usually jumps in if there is a border dispute and sends monitors, as in the case between Ecuador and Peru.
The reason why Mexico is bringing this up to the UN is for domestic consumption. Mexicans living abroad can vote in presidential elections. Therefore they represent a substantial voting block. Moreover, it is an issue to divert some serious problems within Mexico, most notably the teacher's strike in Oaxaca (which has taken a life of its own), PRD protesting the election, and drug gang violence along the Frontera.
President Fox does not have to worry anyway. There are so many poision pills within the law passed by Congress, I have my doubts that if it ever will be built. Money would be better spent to track and deal with people who overstayed thier visas.
The poor Mex issue aside, wouldn't better border control be in Americas interest? Maybe I'm just a dumb foreigner, but why create a monolithic beaurocracy like "Homeland Defense" and leave a gaping hole in the nations defences?
MaydayJohnson
10-11-2006, 01:14 AM
declare war on mexico
Ok, but leave the beaches alone. I was planning on a holiday there soon.:)
Ritual
10-11-2006, 01:31 AM
Again :-(?
We took it once already, and gave it back. rofl
(sarcasm)!
Ordie
10-11-2006, 01:50 AM
The poor Mex issue aside, wouldn't better border control be in Americas interest? Maybe I'm just a dumb foreigner, but why create a monolithic beaurocracy like "Homeland Defense" and leave a gaping hole in the nations defences?
Like the Canadian border.
Homeland Security is a new Department made up with a polyglot of various security agencies. This does not include homeland security at the state, county and municipal level, the first responders and the primary law enforcement element.
Part of the problem within Homeland Defense is "cultural". There are two camps of thought. One is the "law enforcement side" the other is "military side". Two completely different outlooks. Many would like to see Homeland Defense as a paramilitary organization much akin to the DOD, however many within its rank and file are peace officers. Then you have FEMA (I rest my case).
OK Ordie, proscecution rests its case too. Can't beat the beaurocracy!!!:-(
Ordie
10-11-2006, 02:27 AM
OK Ordie, proscecution rests its case too. Can't beat the beaurocracy!!!:-(
Overall it was created with good intentions. However given the haste response to 9-11, and contradictory political mandates and demands there was little time to develop a coherant vision and goal.
Over time, the Department of Homeland Security will be very effective. My suggestion is to provide more emphasis in disaster preparation and mitigation.
As for the Border, perhaps we should ask the Border Patrol and the INS was is the most effective means to control drug trafficking and crossings.
So does that mean you support concentrating resources on FEMA rather than the 'frontline' pro-active agencies? (not baiting, just interesting to see another view in an age where the focus is on the bombs and bullets)
Ordie
10-11-2006, 02:10 PM
So does that mean you support concentrating resources on FEMA rather than the 'frontline' pro-active agencies? (not baiting, just interesting to see another view in an age where the focus is on the bombs and bullets)
I think there should be an equal amount of emphasis on disaster response. For example, in the United States, we are seeing the closure of dedicated trauma units at hospitals. These are units dedicated and trained to deal with traumatic emergency. Moreover many first providers are not equipped nor trained in dealing with NBC or natural disasters. More money should be spent on providing free first aid classes, CPR, basic home firefighting, and disaster preparation. So when the crap hits the fan, people are not as helpless and the first providers can focus on the real problems.
ice55
10-11-2006, 02:45 PM
Ummmm.....excuse me but is the United States not building a fence on United States territory? Pretty clear that this will be a "Thanks for your opinion on this Mexico now go play in that traffic over there while we get started".
ed316
10-11-2006, 02:50 PM
Ummmm.....excuse me but is the United States not building a fence on United States territory? Pretty clear that this will be a "Thanks for your opinion on this Mexico now go play in that traffic over there while we get started".
Mexico apparently believes that it's the US's responsibilty to hire poor Mexicans while Mexico enjoy remittance and don't have to do much to their economy. When they go North it's no longer the responsibility of the Mexican government. Let Tio Sam deal with it. The Mexican government goes back and play grab-ass like always.
In the end who pays for it all? The American middle class tax payers.
Decebalus
10-11-2006, 02:59 PM
We should built a double fence with about 6 meters in between, and lets call that space "no man's land". And even further, no man's land should be full of barbed wire, and barbed wire on top of the fence. Even further, no man's land should be mined. Now, the last wall should be reinforced with steel and be dug 6 meters deep in the ground.
And thats what I call a kick ass wall that stops everything. No more tunnel digging. No more jumping the fence. No camera's needed. Just a few people to clear the corpses from time to time.
Lets get real people, in the future something like that will happen. When hispanics will outnumber whites, thats what will happen.
Right now, all we do is catch them and deport them. And all they do is sneak back in and round and round it goes. We need to take severe actions.
Ordie
10-11-2006, 03:55 PM
We should built a double fence with about 6 meters in between, and lets call that space "no man's land". And even further, no man's land should be full of barbed wire, and barbed wire on top of the fence. Even further, no man's land should be mined. Now, the last wall should be reinforced with steel and be dug 6 meters deep in the ground.
And thats what I call a kick ass wall that stops everything. No more tunnel digging. No more jumping the fence. No camera's needed. Just a few people to clear the corpses from time to time.
Lets get real people, in the future something like that will happen. When hispanics will outnumber whites, thats what will happen.
Right now, all we do is catch them and deport them. And all they do is sneak back in and round and round it goes. We need to take severe actions.
What about the people who overstayed thier visas? They account up to 40% of undocmented immigrants. It's much more cost effective to get people who overstayed thier visas than to beef up a fence.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5485917
MaydayJohnson
10-11-2006, 07:31 PM
Mexico apparently believes that it's the US's responsibilty to hire poor Mexicans while Mexico enjoy remittance and don't have to do much to their economy. When they go North it's no longer the responsibility of the Mexican government. Let Tio Sam deal with it. The Mexican government goes back and play grab-ass like always.
In the end who pays for it all? The American middle class tax payers.
said clearly, why we need to threaten them with war
MaydayJohnson
10-11-2006, 07:32 PM
We should built a double fence with about 6 meters in between, and lets call that space "no man's land". And even further, no man's land should be full of barbed wire, and barbed wire on top of the fence. Even further, no man's land should be mined. Now, the last wall should be reinforced with steel and be dug 6 meters deep in the ground.
And thats what I call a kick ass wall that stops everything. No more tunnel digging. No more jumping the fence. No camera's needed. Just a few people to clear the corpses from time to time.
Lets get real people, in the future something like that will happen. When hispanics will outnumber whites, thats what will happen.
Right now, all we do is catch them and deport them. And all they do is sneak back in and round and round it goes. We need to take severe actions.
i agree lots
martinexsquaddie
10-12-2006, 05:15 AM
well your lose that vote at the the Un even tony might vote against you guys
reasoning nobody likes george anywhere else ,and its utterly irrelevant in the big scheme of things Us never takes any notice of the un anyway
George might even play a blinder border fence is probably a huge white elelphant re homeland security AQ terrorists are more likey to fly club class into JFK than hike over the border.
so use the UN veto to bin the fence idea get some desperate popularity abroad stoke up anti un feeling at home spend the cash on something else:)
Aztec Eagle
11-14-2006, 10:53 PM
I for one im all for it!!!! sorry if someone feels offended, but im all for it the Gringos ,whant to built a fence in there own terratory, who are we to say NO??? the United Stated is a free and soberan country,but this fence is a joke., for that matter all the border.
First its NOT going to solve the immigration problem anyway.
Second, its NOT going to stop smuglers.
Third,Its NOT! going to stop no crazy ass terrorist with a dogmatic idea to blowup someone or something.
Its NOT even going to slow it down!!!! ohh and for the Minuteman fools that supose to be the goal keepers they are so freeking fat that they cant even move.,there just waiting to get there trigger happy,hollywood way of thinking to make **** worst that what it is., if they really belive in stoping illegals then go an take there job!!! replace them in the fields an other grunt jobs.
The national guard is also NOT the way you need to solve this you need to have more INS or homeland sec. agents many more, ohh by the way and NO corrupt ones because i dont care if you dont hear it in the media theres many corrupt agents.
One other thing the media speacially RADIO and some other US news media make thing look worst that what it is in reality.
The way the americans view this **** its way off reallity, and the way that the people in Mexico view this CACA is even worst off that the gringos!!
There big talkers about defending the border and they are the way in Mexico City far from the reallity of the border and the same goes for the big cojones republicans and some democrats all the way in freaking washington D.C.,THEY COME AND VISIT THE BORDER TAKE SOME PICTURES AND DO THE BIG TALK and NOTHING happens.
This problem is a REAL problem that the americans let it grow like a snow ball they did NOT enforce the laws and made the stronger wen the problem was small now the whant to put a band aid to this huge wound.
Mexicans for them its cultural to cross over to work in the states they dont see it like there breaking in to some one elses country,there just moving to a diffrent city.
What we NEED is to work together with out HATE! With a opend mind.
The Mexican goverment its no Cuba we wont stop our citiziens from going where they whant to BUT!!! however we can use PROPAGANDA to show them that going to the states its NOT LEGAL the way the want to cross,and show them the agony and pain that many enconter even living in the states hiding and been exploted because off there status,its not a pretty picture for many of them will stop from going to the states PROPAGANDA is a very powerfull wepon.
The other is that Mexican would NOT go anyware if the had a decent salary where they live,and im not talkin about money like in the states i bet that in a small town a regular JOSE/JOE can make arround 200 dlls per week he would never even think of going to the states or anywere else.
Of course the Mexican goverment should lower the taxes for companys from abroad and invest in the education of its work force and invest in infrastructure.
We need more investment from abroad,Mexico is moving in the right direction is got a real democracy and its economy is stable and gaining weight,its the 13 largest economy in the world and there industry is growing ,im sorry if you dont agree with these statement but is absolutly REAL.,today here in Mexico i see people buying new cars and new houses and that i never seen regular mexican society do that it was only for the rich,Mexico has a growing middle class,im one of those people.
People that already in the States need to be legalized NOT citizenship but legalized them for a few years and send them back,they would pay taxes and fees for there papers,and you would know whe they live and what they do.
The other option its to mass deport them that would be hard and costly,it would look bad to the U.S and you would only get so many,the other ones would have a fake Social s. number a fake ID. you wint have control of them. and even f you deport them they will go back.
The immigration problem needs to be solve by both nations.
You are actually lucky to have a country such as Mexico as a neighboor it could be worst if you had a pooer country with religious terrorist....**** ill say it! a muslim state a aggresive,SPEND all my money in wepons kinda of country.Mexico is poor compared to the States but in the world scenario a not so poor, sorry but Mexico is not going to pick up and leave to another continent and the US is not going to move either,so lets take this bull by the ****ing horns and make this region competitive for this 21st century we would have to deal with such blocks as the asians China will become a world superpower in due time,also europe will become more agressive to stay in the race, Brasil will also come in to age,and we will see india at the end of this century as a first world country,the United States needs strong neighboors and for that matter allys arround the world to remain the main superpower of the world in this century.
LaoSexMachine
11-14-2006, 11:17 PM
But yet the poor keep coming north. Mexico had years to reform what happened?
Ghelp
11-14-2006, 11:21 PM
It's about time in my opinion.This could be the death nail to the drug industry.I do not mean to disrespect my Mexican brothers.But this is a gate way to the largest consumers.It would benefit my country by the business plumeting and will save lives.
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