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Double Tap
04-08-2004, 11:13 PM
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The Canadian military is concerned about a growing number of elite soldiers in the Joint Task Force Two unit who are leaving the Canadian Forces for more lucrative work in private security.

The JTF 2 unit is a highly-trained Special Operations Forces unit that performs counterterrorist missions, hostage rescue operations, and other work in response to national security threats. The unit played a key role in operations last year in Afghanistan.

Their work is highly secretive, so much so that the Canadian Forces won't even divulge how many JTF 2 recruits it has. But it would appear their numbers are dwindling.

With the U.S.-led coalition busy with gaining control over insurgency in Iraq, the Pentagon has contracted out the jobs of guarding key installations and training a new Iraqi army to private security companies. The work is plentiful and security companies are in continual need of well-trained bodyguards and security workers.

Hundreds of former special operations soldiers from Britain and the United States have answered the call. Now, many of the JTF 2 team have left the Forces to work for the civilian teams, as well.

It's not hard to see why. Private security work in Iraq can be highly lucrative, offering guards compensation of up to $1,000 a day.

"If you can get three times your annual salary in half the time, you are going to take it," explains Alan Bell, of Global Security Risk.

A former British special ops member, Bell runs a security outfit that receives up to eight resumes a day, some from Canada's JTF 2 squad. Bell believes that at least 12 to 15 members of JTF 2 have been " actively recruited by some of the organizations providing manpower in Iraq."

The military admits that over the last four years, 15 per cent of the JTF 2 soldiers have left the Forces altogether.

The defections mean more recruiting for the forces and a loss on their training investment.

"Some of these guys are learning their skills over a five to 10-year period, so that expertise is hard to replace," says journalist David Pugliese, the author of Canada's Secret Commandos: The Unauthorized Story of Joint Task Force Two.

So, in order to stem the loss of these highly trained soldiers, the military is taking action. It's considering raising pay beyond the current annual salary of $60,000, plus $1,200 a month in danger allowance.

"We recognize that private security firms have highly attractive packages for highly skilled members, like JTF 2," said Navy Lt. Kent Penney of the Department of National Defence.

"But beyond money issue, we're also looking at the other factors."

Those other factors include job security, and appealing to the soldiers' sense of patriotism, reminding them that the satisfaction that comes from serving one's country is something that private security firms simply will never offer.

seruriermarshal
04-08-2004, 11:17 PM
They are hero .

woot woot woot

Merik
04-08-2004, 11:20 PM
Bummer for Canada's military.

MetalBoy
04-08-2004, 11:35 PM
Also maybe its not just about the money, but more about wanting to get into the thick of the action in Iraq as well.

Brozozo
04-09-2004, 10:21 AM
Also maybe its not just about the money, but more about wanting to get into the thick of the action in Iraq as well.

That's it. Many really wanted to get in on the action, something Canada is always reluctant to do now that it doesn't have to just because the UK did.

[AFSOC]
04-09-2004, 10:55 AM
heh heh...i aint surprised....sure many Canadian Forces members are fet up the way the military is treated by the ppl and there government.

RSK
04-09-2004, 03:38 PM
Ok, heres a question then:

Where do these private firms get the money to pay these guys??

If they are protecting people that work for "corporations" then these corporations must be getting the jobs from somewhere.. To re-build Iraq I think these "corporations" get the contracts from the governments.

Therefore, government contracts to "corporations" who need protection are taking away military personell.

I think it's all a circle.

Just my 2 cents CDN.

MetalBoy
04-09-2004, 04:17 PM
Well, the private securtity firms have been proven to be abe to kill the bad guys with as much efficiency as the military, so for me it doesn't really matter, as long as they are highly trained and motivated.

AFG
04-09-2004, 04:22 PM
Yes the more contractors we have the better :D

sorry Canada :(

TriggerPuller
04-09-2004, 04:57 PM
I have a lot of respect for JTF 2 but they are not just getting out of their military obligations and going over there to work as civilian contractors. Iam sure the lowest ranking JTF 2 soldier has at least a good 8 years in sevice if not more! I really dont blame any(US,Canada,UK) of us/them for doing this. If you are gonna be in harms way you might as well get paid the big bucks!

TP

Brozozo
04-09-2004, 05:05 PM
I have a lot of respect for JTF 2 but they are not just getting out of their military obligations and going over there to work as civilian contractors. Iam sure the lowest ranking JTF 2 soldier has at least a good 8 years in sevice if not more! I really dont blame any(US,Canada,UK) of us/them for doing this. If you are gonna be in harms way you might as well get paid the big bucks!

TP

Well said

Dave the Dawg
04-09-2004, 06:18 PM
No one knows the exact number, but an estimated 3,000 to 12,000 Canadians served in Vietnam, out of some 30,000+ Canadian Vietnam era veterans of the US armed forces. Somehow I don't think going for the big bucks is what drew them south of the border and into the jungles.

MetalBoy
04-09-2004, 06:20 PM
I have a lot of respect for JTF 2 but they are not just getting out of their military obligations and going over there to work as civilian contractors. Iam sure the lowest ranking JTF 2 soldier has at least a good 8 years in sevice if not more! I really dont blame any(US,Canada,UK) of us/them for doing this. If you are gonna be in harms way you might as well get paid the big bucks!

TP

And even though your being paid by a private company, your top boss is still the United F****ing States of America, and don't you forget it! ;)

TriggerPuller
04-09-2004, 06:26 PM
I have a lot of respect for JTF 2 but they are not just getting out of their military obligations and going over there to work as civilian contractors. Iam sure the lowest ranking JTF 2 soldier has at least a good 8 years in sevice if not more! I really dont blame any(US,Canada,UK) of us/them for doing this. If you are gonna be in harms way you might as well get paid the big bucks!

TP

And even though your being paid by a private company, your top boss is still the United F****ing States of America, and don't you forget it! ;)Excuse me!

TP

TriggerPuller
04-09-2004, 06:28 PM
out of some 30,000+ Canadian Vietnam era veterans of the US armed forces. Huh?

TP

springwheat
04-09-2004, 06:48 PM
He's right about the Canadians in Vietnam (as close as anyone can determine). There weren't any Canadian Army units in the theater, but something like 30,000 Canadian citizens and Canadian aliens/immigrants living in the US volunteered or were drafted into the US military. A little over a hundred are listed on the Vietnam Memorial in DC.

DPGLAW
04-09-2004, 07:54 PM
I absolutely agree with these soldiers (US, UK, Canada, etc.) whom are leaving their SF units to go work as private contractors. I mean when you look at the miniscule amounts that the governments are paying them for putting their lives on the line anyone who turned down an offer to work as a PMC is insane. If you are risking your life the pay should be commensurate with the risk and experience, currently for military the salries are not even close. In addition, god forbid one of them get killed in action, the meager amounts that are provided to the families barely cover anything. The private companies will take care of their employees and families to a much greater extent should the unthinkable happen. Another point is the lentgh of the deployments. I support the US & Coalition action in Iraq 100%, however it seems as if our soldiers are getting jerked around with regard to the lentgh of the deployments and in some cases from what I've read, being lied to about how long they will be gone. This is not fair to the soldiers and why put up with this crap and lack of pay, support when you can make 3 or 4 times their current salries in less time with assurances that their financial responsibilities are taken care of if something happens and they can no longer work, or worse, are KIA.

springwheat
04-09-2004, 11:10 PM
The security firms get paid pretty good money to provide experienced personnel. How likely is it that the US would ever or could ever charge a nation for its military services?

Also, as most of those leaving have many years of experience (also stated by TriggerPuller), its unlikely any of them enlisted into their country's service with the notion of making themselves more commercially viable in the civilian world.

Experienced military personnel leaving the service for higher paying civilian jobs is nothing new, although in the past it has been more the realm of senior officers leaving their current assignment to lobby for or advise a defense contractor.

scattergun
04-10-2004, 02:23 PM
Is it any surprise that a superbly trained and highly experienced operator would leave the military for the private sector?

I know an ex-F18 pilot who at the top of his game was one of the best pilots in the NATO world...and he was making maybe $60,000 CDN as a Captain with over 15 years behind the stick. He left the service and now makes $150,000 CDN looking after access and safety on a military facility, for and oil and gas company here in Alberta, Canada.

This is a guy with literally hundreds of millions of dollars in training, at the top of his game in his late 30's, and they lose him to private industry where his skills are entirely useless other than liasion with the current base command.

Does it make any sense for the JTF-2 guys to look at life any different? I'd do the same thing if I were in their shoes.