WTF is That?

[Kingpin]

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[Ghostwolf]

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M9 ACE (Armored Combat Earthmover)

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/m9-earth_mover.jpg

[stateofequilibrium]

The military's response to the 405 Freeway in Los Angeles during Rush Hour.

[shorty]

Thuts wut us Rednecks cull a dam good bulldozer!

[Sir Zach of R.]

Thuts wut us Rednecks cull a dam good bulldozer!

Yer damn right. woot

[seruriermarshal]

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I have an idea :

http://www.5kx.com/toysale/bbs/UploadFile/2004-4/20044417378334.jpg

[Hellman109]

I have an idea :

http://www.5kx.com/toysale/bbs/UploadFile/2004-4/20044417378334.jpg

What would that do? if your holding an RPG you would hit the best target of oppertunity (presuming this is a gurilla strike) and the roadside bomb is probly triggered by a person, wait for the dozers to pass and hit the main convoy.

Also the last two... what would they do?


They are mainly used to clear runways, clear blockages on roads, doze buildings in dangerous areas and for defense / base creation, not defense directly.

[seruriermarshal]

If use these :

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m1mcbs-951219-O-9805M-005.jpg

[Uninen]

During Gulf 1, they used that thing to burry helpless and routed Iraqi coscripst alive.. :|

[perdurabo]

I have an idea :

http://www.5kx.com/toysale/bbs/UploadFile/2004-4/20044417378334.jpg
ekhm how big are roads?:) you know road isnt ocean they heave width ussually for 2 cars and you want to put 2x abrams and 2x truck in one row! :)
just don't ride too close to sideway its enough and keep eyes open...

[UkrainianAmerican]

During Gulf 1, they used that thing to burry helpless and routed Iraqi coscripst alive.. :|
OR not.

[Fintin]

During Gulf 1, they used that thing to burry helpless and routed Iraqi coscripst alive.. :|

and you pulled this out of whos ass?

[Uninen]

Actually, out of American documentary and out of mouth of M9 Bulldozer driver.. that was interviewed in it..

:P

It is true, they used them to plow the sand back to Iraqi forward trenches, and hundreds if not thousands of Iraqi defenders were buried alive.

So keep your BS to yourself, im just saying what ACTUALLY happened.

:roll:

[Fintin]

keep my bs to my self....you stupid nazi....yeah i would like to see the thousends of guys they plowed over...ill give you ten at the most you ball munching, poll rider

[front]

The Bulldozer Assault

http://www.ncregister.com/Register_News/120802war.htm

In one way, it's no different from the usual forms of warfare. But it reveals war's horror.

Between Feb. 24 and 25, 1991, thousands of draftee Iraqi soldiers may have been sealed in their trenches by U.S. Army vehicles to suffocate, according to an article in the Sept. 23, 1991 Time magazine: "Were thousands of Iraqis buried alive during the allied operation against their front line last February? U.S. Army officers say that as tanks equipped with plows and bulldozers punched holes in the 70-mile-long Iraqi defense strip, enemy soldiers who refused to surrender were trapped under avalanches of sand.

Col. Anthony Moreno, commander of a unit that followed the initial U.S. breakthrough, recalls seeing arms protruding from the sand. 'For all I know, we could have buried thousands,' he told New York Newsday."

This account was also covered in The San Francisco Chronicle, which reported that the decision to use bulldozers was later justified in a report to Congress by then Secretary of State **** Cheney: "Because of these uncertainties and the need to minimize loss of U.S. lives, military necessity required that the assault ... be conducted with maximum speed and violence. … There is a gap in the law of war in defining precisely when surrender takes effect or how it may be accomplished. An attempt at surrender in the midst of a hard-fought battle is neither easily communicated nor received."

PBS Frontline reported in an online article "Iraqi Death Toll," that "One infamous incident during the war highlighted the question of large-scale Iraqi combat deaths. This was the 'bulldozer assault' in which two brigades from the U.S. Army's 1st Infantry Division (Mechanized) - The Big Red One - used plows mounted on tanks and combat earthmovers to bury Iraqi soldiers defending the fortified 'Saddam Line.'

"While approximately 2,000 of the troops surrendered, escaping burial, one newspaper story reported that the U.S. commanders estimated thousands of Iraqi soldiers had been buried alive during the two-day assault Feb. 24-25, 1991.

"However, like all other troop estimates made during the war, the estimated 8,000 Iraqi defenders was probably greatly inflated. While one commander thought the numbers might have been in the thousands, another reported his brigade buried between 80 and 250 Iraqis. After the war, the Iraqi government found 44 bodies."

The Frontline article cited the original NY Newsday report, "Buried Alive" by Patrick J. Sloyan, Newsday, Sept. 12, 1991. Sloyan was awarded a Pulitzer Prize for his coverage of the Gulf War. Sloyan's summary of the event may be found online at

http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0211/sloyan.html

[Uninen]

keep my bs to my self....you stupid nazi....yeah i would like to see the thousends of guys they plowed over...ill give you ten at the most you ball munching, poll rider

Oh what the hostility and personal insults, i cant wait the mods to see this, you know this isnt a forum for teens that have bad day everyday and that can keep the **** to themselfs..

:petting:

Let me remind you that the topic is the M9 and its use, issue to which i had something to give, and you had nothing, except insulting me.

:|

[Uninen]

front,

Thank you! :)

[seruriermarshal]

I have an idea :

http://www.5kx.com/toysale/bbs/UploadFile/2004-4/20044417378334.jpg
ekhm how big are roads?:) you know road isnt ocean they heave width ussually for 2 cars and you want to put 2x abrams and 2x truck in one row! :)
just don't ride too close to sideway its enough and keep eyes open...

In fact , perhaps army leave the road .

[Sergei]

During Gulf 1, they used that thing to burry helpless and routed Iraqi coscripst alive.. :|

and you pulled this out of whos ass?

This is a actually true and there are a number of testimonies of soldiers who served in those things to burry Iraqis alive. You are probably too young to remember Gulf War I anyways.

[Fintin]

Col. Anthony Moreno, commander of a unit that followed the initial U.S. breakthrough, recalls seeing arms protruding from the sand. 'For all I know, we could have buried thousands,' he told New York Newsday."

sounds like solid info to me..one mans oppinion....


"However, like all other troop estimates made during the war, the estimated 8,000 Iraqi defenders was probably greatly inflated. While one commander thought the numbers might have been in the thousands, another reported his brigade buried between 80 and 250 Iraqis. After the war, the Iraqi government found 44 bodies."

44 speedy....not thousends...sorry to rain on your party

[Yard Ape]

Thuts wut us Rednecks cull a dam good bulldozer!It can also be a scraper (sort of). In any event, if the budget were not chopped, this would have been better:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/grizzly21.jpg

[Ezra Coli]

During Gulf 1, they used that thing to burry helpless and routed Iraqi coscripst alive..

Sucks to be an Iraqi conscrip tin a time of war, huh?

[MaDuce]

Its saves you cost of tank ammo so why not run over with dozer??

[perdurabo]

In fact , perhaps army leave the road .
well but then it's easier tu put mine under just bury it...
also road is much faster and economical, not every truck is 4X4 6X6 etc.. off road you know:) and roads if you have proper surveliance are preaty safe just destroy all bushes rocks near road, change roads do not drive the same way in the same order be inpredictible and if you make convoy use helos to sweep road infront o convoyf from air you can better spot moust of threats....

[epc]

First you wrote:


During Gulf 1, they used that thing to burry helpless and routed Iraqi coscripst alive.. :|

Then you wrote:


they used them to plow the sand back to Iraqi forward trenches, and hundreds if not thousands of Iraqi defenders were buried alive.

2 are very different things. If the enemy is helpless and routed, they will leave the trenches and bunkers either to retreat or surrender. If they stay in the bunkers and trenches, ie, in fighting positions, they are defenders in combat. Wtf do you expect the assaulting troops do? Trot up to the trench, hop down and then pop his head into the bunker entrance to ask: "Hey, are you guys routed and helpless? Wanna surrender?" Do they teach that tactic in the Ukrainian infantry?

It's the same as in the cave fighting in the Pacific islands during WW2. You want to surrender? Come out the cave. You stay in, then we flame you.

[dez000]

First you wrote:


During Gulf 1, they used that thing to burry helpless and routed Iraqi coscripst alive.. :|

Then you wrote:


they used them to plow the sand back to Iraqi forward trenches, and hundreds if not thousands of Iraqi defenders were buried alive.

2 are very different things. If the enemy is helpless and routed, they will leave the trenches and bunkers either to retreat or surrender. If they stay in the bunkers and trenches, ie, in fighting positions, they are defenders in combat. Wtf do you expect the assaulting troops do? Trot up to the trench, hop down and then pop his head into the bunker entrance to ask: "Hey, are you guys routed and helpless? Wanna surrender?" Do they teach that tactic in the Ukrainian infantry?

It's the same as in the cave fighting in the Pacific islands during WW2. You want to surrender? Come out the cave. You stay in, then we flame you.

I don't think he was saying it to talk bad about US forces, just to state how horrible these machines are for the ones on the other side ;)

[seruriermarshal]

In fact , perhaps army leave the road .
well but then it's easier tu put mine under just bury it...
also road is much faster and economical, not every truck is 4X4 6X6 etc.. off road you know:) and roads if you have proper surveliance are preaty safe just destroy all bushes rocks near road, change roads do not drive the same way in the same order be inpredictible and if you make convoy use helos to sweep road infront o convoyf from air you can better spot moust of threats....

Well , my friend , I think , not limitting by the highway in the field, it injures common people to reduce, it's flexibler to take action ......

[usa320]

Hey they could have surrendered. Either a bulldozer or a bomb, they were dying one way or another.

[HoboWithAK]

During Gulf 1, they used that thing to burry helpless and routed Iraqi coscripst alive.. :|

Even if it IS true, of which you have no proof, I have this to say-

TOO ****ING BAD.

[springwheat]

Hey they could have surrendered. Either a bulldozer or a bomb, they were dying one way or another.
Exactly correct. You are a combatant until you surrender. Merely lacking the initiative, ability, and/or means with which to fight does not accord one the rights of a prisoner of war.

[stuntman]

During Gulf 1, they used that thing to burry helpless and routed Iraqi coscripst alive.. :|

Yeah I know it was great. rofl