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California Joe
10-12-2006, 10:24 AM
I just heard a brief mention on the radio that he bought land near Vegas for 400,000 in 1998, sold it for the same amount in 2002, didn't report the transaction and just recently got 1.5 million when it was sold again...He should have just boned a page. Anyone heard anymore details? I may have gotten some details wrong, I only caught part of the story while taking my son to school. What the hell happened in Washington anyway, everyone knows it's the Dems that have sex scandals and the Repubs have shady business deal scandals....

Zoomie
10-12-2006, 12:59 PM
This (http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/11/surprise-ap-exposes-reids-shady-land-deal/)is the only thing I've seen on it.

jmatucd
10-12-2006, 01:15 PM
shh, he's got the wrong letter next to his name

praetorian6
10-12-2006, 02:26 PM
Associated Press
AP Exclusive: Reid Got $1M in Land Sale
By JOHN SOLOMON and KATHLEEN HENNESSEY , 10.11.2006, 02:13 PM
http://www.forbes.com/technology/ebusiness/feeds/ap/2006/10/11/ap3083826.html


Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid collected a $1.1 million windfall on a Las Vegas land sale even though he hadn't personally owned the property for three years, property deeds show.

In the process, Reid did not disclose to Congress an earlier sale in which he transferred his land to a company created by a friend and took a financial stake in that company, according to records and interviews.

The Nevada Democrat's deal was engineered by Jay Brown, a longtime friend and former casino lawyer whose name surfaced in a major political bribery trial this summer and in other prior organized crime investigations. He's never been charged with wrongdoing - except for a 1981 federal securities complaint that was settled out of court.

Land deeds obtained by The Associated Press during a review of Reid's business dealings show:

_The deal began in 1998 when Reid bought undeveloped residential property on Las Vegas' booming outskirts for about $400,000. Reid bought one lot outright, and a second parcel jointly with Brown. One of the sellers was a developer who was benefiting from a government land swap that Reid supported. The seller never talked to Reid.

_In 2001, Reid sold the land for the same price to a limited liability corporation created by Brown. The senator didn't disclose the sale on his annual public ethics report or tell Congress he had any stake in Brown's company. He continued to report to Congress that he personally owned the land.

_After getting local officials to rezone the property for a shopping center, Brown's company sold the land in 2004 to other developers and Reid took $1.1 million of the proceeds, nearly tripling the senator's investment. Reid reported it to Congress as a personal land sale.

The complex dealings allowed Reid to transfer ownership, legal liability and some tax consequences to Brown's company without public knowledge, but still collect a seven-figure payoff nearly three years later.

Reid hung up the phone when questioned about the deal during an AP interview last week.

The senator's aides said no money changed hands in 2001 and that Reid instead got an ownership stake in Brown's company equal to the value of his land. Reid continued to pay taxes on the land and didn't disclose the deal because he considered it a "technical transfer," they said.

They also said they have no documents proving Reid's stake in the company because it was an informal understanding between friends.

The 1998 purchase "was a normal business transaction at market prices," Reid spokesman Jim Manley said. "There were several legal steps associated with the investment during those years that did not alter Senator Reid's actual ownership interest in the land."

Senate ethics rules require lawmakers to disclose on their annual ethics report all transactions involving investment properties - regardless of profit or loss - and to report any ownership stake in companies.

Kent Cooper, who oversaw government disclosure reports for federal candidates for two decades in the Federal Election Commission, said Reid's failure to report the 2001 sale and his ties to Brown's company violated Senate rules.

"This is very, very clear," Cooper said. "Whether you make a profit or a loss you've got to put that transaction down so the public, voters, can see exactly what kind of money is moving to or from a member of Congress."

"It is especially disconcerting when you have a member of the leadership, of either party, not putting in the effort to make sure this is a complete and accurate report," said Cooper. "That says something to other members. It says something to the Ethics Committee."

Other parts of the deal - such as the informal handling of property taxes - raise questions about possible gifts or income reportable to Congress and the IRS, ethics experts said.

Stanley Brand, former Democratic chief counsel of the House, said Reid should have disclosed the 2001 sale and that his omission fits a larger culture in Congress where lawmakers aren't following or enforcing their own rules.

"It's like everything else we've seen in last two years. If it is not enforced, people think it's not enforced and they get lax and sloppy," Brand said.

SALE HIDDEN FROM CONGRESS

Reid and his wife, Landra, personally signed the deeds selling their full interest in the property to Brown's company, Patrick Lane LLC, for the same $400,000 they paid in 1998, records show.

Despite the sale, Reid continued to report on his public ethics reports that he personally owned the land until it was sold again in 2004. His disclosure forms to Congress do not mention an interest in Patrick Lane or the company's role in the 2004 sale.

AP first learned of the transaction from a former Reid aide who expressed concern the deal hadn't been properly reported.

Reid isn't listed anywhere on Patrick Lane's corporate filings with Nevada, even though the land he sold accounted for three-quarters of the company's assets. Brown is listed as the company's manager. Reid's office said Nevada law didn't require Reid to be mentioned in the filings.

"We have been friends for over 35 years. We didn't need a written agreement between us," Brown said.

The informalities didn't stop there.

PROPERTY TAXES LOOSELY HANDLED

Brown sometimes paid a share of the local property taxes on the lot Reid owned outright between 1998 and 2001, while Reid sometimes paid more than his share of taxes on the second parcel they co-owned.

And the two men continued to pay the property taxes from their personal checking accounts even after the land was sold to Patrick Lane in 2001, records show.

Brown said Reid first approached him in 1997 about land purchases and the two men considered the two lots a single investment.

"During the years of ownership, there may have been occasions that he advanced the property taxes, or that I advanced the property taxes," Brown said. "The bottom line is that between ourselves we always settled up and each of us paid our respective percentages."

Ultimately, Reid paid about 74 percent of the property taxes, slightly less than his actual 75.1 ownership stake, according to canceled checks kept at the local assessor's office. One year, the property tax payments were delinquent and resulted in a small penalty, the records show.

Ethics experts said such informality raises questions about whether any of Brown's tax payments amounted to a benefit for Reid. "It might be a gift," Cooper said.

Brand said the IRS might view the handling of the land taxes as undisclosed income to Reid but it was unlikely to prompt an investigation. "If someone is paying a liability you owe, there may be some income imputed. But at that level, it's pretty small dollars," he said.

FEDERAL LAND SWAPS

Nevada land deeds show Reid and his wife first bought the property in January 1998 in a proposed subdivision created partly with federal lands transferred by the Interior Department to private developers.

Reid's two lots were never owned by the government, but the piece of land joining Reid's property to the street corner - a key to the shopping center deal - came from the government in 1994.

One of the sellers was Fred Lessman, a vice president of land acquisition at Perma-Bilt Homes.

Around the time of the 1998 sale, Lessman and his company were completing a complicated federal land transfer that also involved an Arizona-based developer named Del Webb Corp.

In the deal, Del Webb and Perma-Bilt purchased environmentally sensitive lands in the Lake Tahoe area, transferred them to the government and then got in exchange several pieces of valuable Las Vegas land.

Lessman was personally involved, writing a March 1997 letter to Interior lobbying for the deal. "This exchange has been through many trials and tribulations ... we do not need to create any more stumbling blocks," Lessman wrote.

For years, Reid also had been encouraging Interior to make land swaps on behalf of Del Webb, where one of his former aides worked.

In 1994, Reid wrote a letter with other Nevada lawmakers on behalf of Del Webb, and then met personally with a top federal land official in Nevada. That official claimed in media reports he felt pressured by the senator. Reid denied any pressure.

The next year, Reid collected $18,000 in political donations from Del Webb's political action committee and employees. Del Webb's efforts to get federal land dragged on.

In December 1996, Reid wrote a second letter on behalf of Del Webb, urging Interior to answer the company's concerns. The deal came together in summer and fall 1997, with Perma-Bilt joining in.

In January 1998 - just days before he bought his land - Reid applauded the Lake Tahoe land transfers, saying they would create the "gateway to paradise."

None of Reid's letters mentioned Perma-Bilt. Reid's office said the senator never met Lessman nor discussed the Lake Tahoe land transfer or his personal land purchase. A real estate attorney handled the 1998 sale at arms-length, aides said.

"This land investment was completely unrelated to federal land swaps that took place in the mid-1990's," Manley said.

Lessman said he never talked to Reid or asked for his help before the 1998 land sale, and only met the senator years later at a public event. "Any suggestion that the land sale between Senator Reid and myself is somehow tied in with the Perma-Bilt exchange is completely absurd," Lessman said.

THE REZONING

Clark County intended for the property Reid owned to be used solely for new housing, records show. Just days before Reid sold the parcels to Brown's company, Brown sought permission in May 2001 to rezone the properties so a shopping center could be built.

Career zoning officials objected, saying the request was "inconsistent" with Clark County's master development plan. The town board in Spring Valley, where Reid's property was located, also voted 4-1 to reject the rezoning.

Brown persisted. The Clark County zoning board followed by the Clark County Commission voted to overrule the recommendation and approve commercial zoning. Such votes were common at the time.

Before the approval in September 2001, Brown's consultant told commissioners that Reid was involved. "Mr. Brown's partner is Harry Reid, so I think we have people in this community who you can trust to go forward and put a quality project before you," the consultant testified.

With the rezoning granted, Patrick Lane pursued the shopping center deal. On Jan. 20, 2004, the company sold the property to developers for $1.6 million. Today, a multimillion dollar retail complex sits on the land.

On Jan. 21, 2004, Reid received more than $1.1 million of the sale proceeds. Reid disclosed the money the following year on his Senate ethics report as a personal sale of land, not mentioning Patrick Lane.

A BUSINESS PARTNER'S PAST

Brown has been a behind-the-scenes power broker in Nevada for years, donating to Democrats, Republicans and charities. He represented a major casino in legal cases and dabbled in Nevada's booming real estate market.

Brown befriended Reid four decades ago, even before Reid served as chairman of the Nevada gaming commission and decided cases involving Brown's clients.

Brown's name has surfaced in federal investigations involving organized crime, casinos and political bribery since the 1980s.

This past summer, federal prosecutors introduced testimony at the bribery trial of former Clark County Commission chairman Dario Herrara that Brown had taken money from a Las Vegas strip club owner to influence the commission. Herrara was convicted of taking kickbacks. Brown was never called as a witness.

Brown declined to discuss past cases where his name surfaced, including Herrara. "The federal government investigated this whole matter thoroughly, and there was never any implication of impropriety on my part," he said

Miles.
10-12-2006, 02:26 PM
Just heard about it.

Reid got his local politicians to re-zone the property, thereby making a 274% profit off of his original investment.

Maybe he's seen a few episodes of the Sopranos. Which is a big no-no: Reid is a Mormon, and the Sopranos isn't exactly G-rated.

;)

Jobu
10-12-2006, 02:33 PM
Where are the calls for him to resign?

Miles.
10-12-2006, 02:37 PM
Ethics and buttsex.

Sickening behavior all the way around.

...maybe Karl Rove had something to do with this. ;)

Geezah
10-12-2006, 02:49 PM
Reid is a Mormon, ;)

And he's a Democrat???????.......shocker.......who would have thunk itp-)

Miles.
10-12-2006, 03:29 PM
And he's a Democrat???????.......shocker.......who would have thunk itp-)

I don't get your point.

Harry Reid's son is a County Commissioner where this property is located. Makes it easier to get the property re-zoned commercial, especially when there is "protected" wildlife involved.

rofl rofl

AOCBravo2004
10-12-2006, 03:34 PM
It's Bush's fault!!! Oh come on, someone had to say it.

Geezah
10-12-2006, 03:51 PM
I don't get your point.

As survialist as Mormons are I just would never have thought that a Mormon would be a Democrat.

Ignore me I'm rambling;)

Miles.
10-12-2006, 04:16 PM
As survialist as Mormons are I just would never have thought that a Mormon would be a Democrat.

Ignore me I'm rambling;)

Obviously, there aren't very many Mormon Democrats out there. Overall, it is an ultra-conservative religion.

Look at 2004 election, Utah elected Bush and Republicans by 3 to 1, IIRC.

nagant_m44
10-12-2006, 06:53 PM
can someone post this at the DUmmie page, ive already been banned.

Miles.
10-12-2006, 07:24 PM
can someone post this at the DUmmie page, ive already been banned.

What are you talking about?

California Joe
10-12-2006, 08:33 PM
This is what I'm talking about when I say that 90% of these guys of either party are bought and paid for. Which is why extreme right or left wing type party diehards crack me the f*ck up.

Miles.
10-12-2006, 10:16 PM
When did we Americans stop believing in little white-collar crimes?

I'm just playing devil's advocate here. It is interesting to note that nobody here gives a **** about Dickweid screwing the system and ripping off a milly-mill.

What we Americans are really interested in discussing in some two-faced self-hating son of a bitch from Florida how can't keep away from young boys.

You know what, F Mark Foley and the therapy-train he rolls out on. I would much rather discuss how Mr. Reid here is engaging in organized criminal activity from his Senate seat, and one of his 14 sons, Bible and Book of Mormon in hand, has just been an accomplice.

But who cares, right?

California Joe
10-12-2006, 10:22 PM
I think he's a douche, that's why I posted it.

Miles.
10-12-2006, 10:24 PM
I think he's a douche, that's why I posted it.

It was directed more at the pistols and ElHombres of the world. ;)

All we have is a bunch of hacks like myself. ;)

chuckster
10-12-2006, 10:29 PM
Thank God he's a Democrat. If he were a Republican, this would be all over the New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and NBC!

Geezah
10-12-2006, 11:37 PM
What are you talking about?

Democrat Underground.

Miles.
10-12-2006, 11:48 PM
I don't even want to know...

Zoomie
10-13-2006, 02:07 PM
Gotta love this:
"Everything I did was transparent," Mr. Reid said at a news conference Wednesday, after the story broke. "Everything is fully disclosed to the ethics committee and everyone else. As I said, if there is some technical change that the ethics committee wants, I'll be happy to do that."

Also, it's now not only an inside job, but a family job as well!
I spent most of the evening last night performing some research into the various machinations of the Harry Reid real-estate transactions that netted him a 175% return on his initial $400,000 investment, and the manner in which he hid his partnership with Jay Brown from the Senate. In this research, I discovered a Los Angeles Times article from June 2003 that outlines a lot of the structure that appears to have allowed Reid to ensure his success in his real-estate ventures. Not surprisingly, it shows Reid and his family at the center of efforts to promote developments that benefitted Reid and his cronies... ...Rory Reid, Harry's son and a lawyer/lobbyist who worked for Nevada's largest legal firm. Lionel Sawyer & Collins represented more than a few clients whose business became Harry Reid's Senate business, but that isn't news. In fact, his other three sons also worked for the same firm and did some lobbying as well. Rory, however, is a special case. Rory got himself elected to the Clark County Board of Commissioners in November 2002, which makes zoning decisions for Las Vegas and its environs.
Why is this important? It was a zoning change that allowed Reid and his partners to sell their parcels in 2004 to developers after being allowed to build a shopping complex on the land. So far, the exact timing of that zoning change has not yet come to light, but the coincidence looks very suspicious.
The more we dig into this story, a picture emerges that paints Reid as a manipulator for his own benefit and that of his family and friends. The Senate Ethics Committee has a great deal of work to do in order to clarify all of the strange coincidences that allowed Reid to pocket $700,000 in profit while hiding his partner from the public.
Source (http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/008274.php)

Miles.
10-13-2006, 02:37 PM
It's called collusion.

Dronetek
10-13-2006, 03:23 PM
Woops, didnt see this thread. Sorry about that Joe!

Q: Why isnt this all over CNN and MSNBC??
A: The media is doing damage control for the democrats again.

ElHombre
10-13-2006, 05:39 PM
Likely because this is another hit piece by John Solomon. He's already done a couple of factually-challenged pieces on Harry Reid. A previous piece claimed that Reid had accepted tickets to a boxing match. Mr. Solomon failed to note that the boxing commission which provided the tickets were legally prohibited from selling them, something that Reid knew being a former commissioner himself knew. Odds are that other news agencies want a little more hard evidence than this guy's claims. Kind of the same way certain people don't believe anything Dan Rather reports since the AWOL memo fiasco.

It'll be interesting to watch, though.

Mastermind
10-13-2006, 06:02 PM
Happens all the time...besides...hes a Democrat...so what's wrong with a Democrat ripping out a mill or so...nothing new about that. look at Hillary and her fortune from the cattle futures that buddy Terry Mack turned her on to. Don't even talk about White Water and all the dead people surrounding that cess pit...including vince foster. And Her Highness and her private eye in the LA Democrat Convention scam...why that was just an accounting error. But, the MSM will merely two-line this stuff on Uncle Harry and pass it off as a "poor misunderstanding". You want real news? Read the MSM about Republican Page Boy chasers. Now that's political corruption! MM