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ed316
10-12-2006, 03:57 PM
Commentary: Minutemen have a right to be idiotic

POSTED: 2:09 p.m. EDT, October 12, 2006


By Ruben Navarrette Jr.
Special to CNN
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SAN DIEGO, California (CNN) -- When Minutemen founder Jim Gilchrist sent me an angry e-mail calling me a racist a while back, I shrugged it off as a pot-kettle thing.
I'm not the one who formed a gang of misfits who have been labeled "vigilantes" by President Bush and which includes members of hate groups, according to the Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center. It's not my posse who has been known to hurl accusations of racism at one another whenever they have a spat and who prowl the U.S.-Mexico border chasing Mexicans -- admittedly, not an easy thing to do when you're carrying a lawn-chair and a cooler of beer.
If that sounds harsh, blame my upbringing. As the son of a retired law enforcement officer, I have little tolerance for wannabes who play cop and even less for those who play with fire by taking up a cause that appeals to nativists and hooligans.
Here you have grown men and women dressing up in fatigues, filling up pick-up trucks and driving to the U.S.-Mexico border from their homes in Iowa, Indiana or Idaho to hunt for illegal immigrants. As if there weren't illegal immigrants in those places, waiting in front of the big-box hardware store for folks to pull up and hire them. These yahoos could save the gas, and just crack down on their friends and neighbors back home.
It's not tough to win an argument with someone like Gilchrist. You just let him talk, and, before long, he'll say something inaccurate, intolerant, or idiotic.
Which is why it's so disappointing to read where protesters at Columbia University last week stormed the stage during a speech that Gilchrist was slated to give at the behest of a group of campus Republicans.
The incident, which was captured on tape and widely viewed on television and the Internet, has sparked a debate over free speech on the Ivy League campus and just how "free" it is.
The protesters admit that they planned to take the stage in a peaceful protest. But, they claim, things got out of hand when they were attacked by a pro-Minutemen contingent.
That's a lame excuse. What these protesters did was wrong, foolish and self-defeating. They could have helped inform the immigration dialogue on campus, but they chose intimidation over information and resorted to a heckler's veto to shut out speech that they found offensive. They forgot the first rule of free expression: that the answer to offensive speech is more speech, not less.
It is the same lesson we all learned in 1977 when a group of Nazis wanted to march in Skokie, Illinois, a mostly Jewish suburb of Chicago. The question of whether they should be allowed to march split the Jewish community, pitting civil libertarians against community activists. The Nazis won the right to march when the courts held they had a First Amendment right to express their views even if their message was vile and deliberately provocative.
That's a good standard. Good enough for the Nazis, good enough for the Minutemen.
Ruben Navarrette Jr. is a member of the editorial board of the San Diego Union-Tribune and a nationally syndicated columnist. Read his column at http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/op-ed/navarrette/index.html (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/op-ed/navarrette/index.html)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/12/navarrette/index.html

Attacking the people but not the root problem.

2Sheds_Jackson
10-12-2006, 04:07 PM
I must commend Mr. Navarette for leading by example. :)

mudbunny
10-12-2006, 04:17 PM
Clever little back-handed rant by this Mr. Navarette. I like how he tries to camoflouge his comparison to Nazis or the rights afforded both them and Minutemen. Perhaps he should practice what he preaches.

Geezah
10-12-2006, 04:26 PM
These yahoos could save the gas, and just crack down on their friends and neighbors back home.

Which is happening, I've been in contact with a member of the Ohio chapter about a couple of bus loads of people from down south that go to Krogers every Friday.

mudbunny
10-12-2006, 04:35 PM
Most importantly, I think that local law-enforcement is taking this seriously and have stepped up their vigilance in their respective areas.

Geezah
10-12-2006, 04:47 PM
My next step is to call ICE;)

HOLLiS
10-12-2006, 07:01 PM
One of the greatest freedoms in the US, the freedom to fail.

When people read various article that express strong concern for the government inability to address a situation, right or wrong there are Americans who will take the initiative. Initiative is a very good trait, thought it can be wrongly applied at times.

Big hole at the border? Solution is simple plug it. Government ain't doin' do it... some will volunteer to do it. Same with all the other organizations that take action, Civil rights, homeless, even civil injustices.

As long as they act within the law....... I say good for them. Biggest problem is see in the states are not active people, but apathetic, lazy, and self serving people.

mudbunny
10-12-2006, 07:30 PM
One of the greatest freedoms in the US, the freedom to fail.

When people read various article that express strong concern for the government inability to address a situation, right or wrong there are Americans who will take the initiative. Initiative is a very good trait, thought it can be wrongly applied at times.

Big hole at the border? Solution is simple plug it. Government ain't doin' do it... some will volunteer to do it. Same with all the other organizations that take action, Civil rights, homeless, even civil injustices.

As long as they act within the law....... I say good for them. Biggest problem is see in the states are not active people, but apathetic, lazy, and self serving people.

Well said.

sct1886
10-12-2006, 07:34 PM
The Minutemen are racist because they do what our government refuses to do.
When an American city suffers a nuke they will scream to close the border. It is a day late and a dollar short. Bush is only interested in brining about a Pan-American union and cheap labor. Idiots...

praetorian6
10-13-2006, 01:12 AM
Works both ways, I suppose.p-)

seraosha
10-13-2006, 11:53 AM
Personally, I have no problems with undocumented workers or illegal immigrants that are trying to get their slice of the American pie. I'd like to see our government actually do something more constructive then wringing their hands, such as set up documentation/guest worker programs and the like. Get these folks on the track to be citizens and productive members of our society, instead of on the fringes of legality where often they are exploited, or are abusing our social systems.

But what I cannot tolerate is an open border where some asshat4allah smuggles in a dirty bomb that takes out a major metropolitan area.

So...time to quit dicking around and follow the Israeli lead and build some really big walls.

Geezah
10-13-2006, 12:07 PM
Personally, I have no problems with undocumented workers or illegal immigrants that are trying to get their slice of the American pie. I'd like to see our government actually do something more constructive then wringing their hands, such as set up documentation/guest worker programs and the like. Get these folks on the track to be citizens and productive members of our society, instead of on the fringes of legality where often they are exploited, or are abusing our social systems.


As someone that has done it the right way, I cannot stand those that swim, walk, or ride across the border, illegally, and I don't mind doing my part to see them tossed out.

As far as settign up a worker program, fine, offer that to those that have not broken the law to enter the country.