Israel to adopt a presidential system

[alexz]

Ministers approve Lieberman bill on presidential regime

Israel Our Home chairman's proposal to change system of governance in Israel to presidential regime approved by Ministerial Committee for Legislation by 5-4 vote

The Ministerial Committee for Legislation approved a bill submitted by Israel Our Home leader Avigdor Lieberman for adopting a presidential system of governance in Israel, thus paving the way for a Knesset vote on the bill on Wednesday.

Five Kadima ministers voted in favor and four ministers, including two Laborites, voted against the bill.

Vice Premier Shimon Peres said Sunday that he wouldn't object the inclusion of Israel Our Home in the government if the party agrees to support the government's broad policies.

"The idea is not to change the principles of the government. That's what we said during our (Kadima) ministerial meeting. If the inclusion of Lieberman and his party won't change the principles of the present government, I have no objections," Peres said.

Communications Minister Ariel Atias of Shas said he opposes Lieberman's inclusion in the government. "This government has enough power. A presidential regime would neuter the Knesset and turns it into a superfluous body," he said.

All Shas ministers are opposed to Lieberman's bill to change the system of governance in Israel to a presidential system. Leiberman said he won't join the coalition if the system is not changed.

[GiladS]

Good news... but it still has to pass the Knesset and 70 MKs have already said they would vote against.

[alexz]

Good news... but it still has to pass the Knesset and 70 MKs have already said they would vote against.


No surprise there, this will eliminate curraption and the need for this leeches,
who will be replaced by proffesionals. So why would they vote for what's
best for the country if they can keep their jobs, cars and appoint a friend
or two for cushy government jobs.

[GiladS]

And then the man in your avatar will get more mandates in the next election.

[alexz]

And then the man in your avatar will get more mandates in the next election.

That's way i used him in my avatar after the last elections. It was very clear
that incompetant government with curropt leader will be a disaster.

[Kaplanr]

No surprise there, this will eliminate curraption and the need for this leeches,
who will be replaced by proffesionals. So why would they vote for what's
best for the country if they can keep their jobs, cars and appoint a friend
or two for cushy government jobs.

In theory anyway. It was supposed to work that way when we tried direct election of the PM one time and then repudiated it. This stuff isn't just legislated, it needs to be learned and instilled. That's always been the weakpoint of Israeli politics, everyone votes but no one is accountable to an electorate or a region.

Results to be seen.

[Eye]

I also agree that the presidential system is better than the governmetal one. Simplicity and much more concentrated power. It is also much more clear who is responsible for what.
BTW - I have heard tha Moshe Kacav has some problems with prosecutor.

[Moledet]

BTW - I have heard tha Moshe Kacav has some problems with prosecutor.
Some problems is an understatement. He's going to sit a lot of time in jail and I hope he will serve as an example for his friends in the government.

[gilgoul]

In theory anyway. It was supposed to work that way when we tried direct election of the PM one time and then repudiated it. This stuff isn't just legislated, it needs to be learned and instilled. That's always been the weakpoint of Israeli politics, everyone votes but no one is accountable to an electorate or a region.

Results to be seen.

X1000
I don't need a president, but a parliamentary representative who represents me at a local and regional level, who has to answer also for the dump next house or the dangerous curve on the highway. Basically, someone who knows he has to deliver at a personnal level if he wants to survive in this business.

I'm not that brand new in Israel, but i'm still as shoked to see how things are done here concerning administrations and decision making.

[gilgoul]

I also agree that the presidential system is better than the governmetal one. Simplicity and much more concentrated power. It is also much more clear who is responsible for what.
BTW - I have heard tha Moshe Kacav has some problems with prosecutor.

Yep, for a ribbon cutter, he succeeded to put himself in some kind of serious trouble, I hope convicts will find him to their taste if the facts are confirmed.

[Kaplanr]

Yep, for a ribbon cutter, he succeeded to put himself in some kind of serious trouble, I hope convicts will find him to their taste if the facts are confirmed.

You know what it's going to be? "Damn Ashkenazim, they brought down Kahalani, Mordechai and Ramon." Shame too, because Kahalani and Mordechai were two of my favorites.

Whatever system is adopted, if a government needs to assemble a coalition of more than 3 parties, and they go far afield ideologically to do it, then it doesn't matter what system is in use.

Ideally, the educational and social services should be legislated and permanent expenditures (at a responsible and responsive level TBD.) rather than issues subject to political negotiations. I don't want to come off attacking the Orthodox educational system, but it's ludicrous that it can go from flush to broke at a political whim. So we can say that Israel lacks two necessary elements: representative accountability and responsible governance.

[gilgoul]

You know what it's going to be? "Damn Ashkenazim, they brought down Kahalani, Mordechai and Ramon." Shame too, because Kahalani and Mordechai were two of my favorites.

Whatever system is adopted, if a government needs to assemble a coalition of more than 3 parties, and they go far afield ideologically to do it, then it doesn't matter what system is in use.

Ideally, the educational and social services should be legislated and permanent expenditures (at a responsible and responsive level TBD.) rather than issues subject to political negotiations. I don't want to come off attacking the Orthodox educational system, but it's ludicrous that it can go from flush to broke at a political whim. So we can say that Israel lacks two necessary elements: representative accountability and responsible governance.
Since when has "responsibility" been a word in hebrew vocabulary?