Awesome M-14 Variations and Modifications [Archive]

eric_from_texas

10-15-2006, 05:07 PM

I'm thinking of taking my old Springfield Armory M-14 and turning it into one of these bad boys. While I was doing my homework on different mods and parts I came across these vids and pics. I thought I would share them with any fellow gun enthusiasts out there. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/v/lXMN9C9IoWQ
http://www.youtube.com/v/socgmULGVOA

This first group of pics is of M-14s modified with vatiations of the Enhanced Battle Rifle (EBR) chassis from Sage International Limited (http://www.sageinternationalltd.com/si/index.html). Here is a really good overview of Sage and their products from TacticalWorks: (http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/content_sub/sage_ebr_review/sage_ebr_chopmod_review.html (http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/content_sub/sage_ebr_review/sage_ebr_chopmod_review.html))

M14-ACLS (from SAGE International)

http://securityarms.com/sale/sage/WebPages/odm14alcs.jpg

M14-ALCS/CV with ACE folding mechanism

http://securityarms.com/sale/sage/WebPages/folder3med.jpg
http://securityarms.com/sale/sage/WebPages/folder4med.jpg
http://securityarms.com/sale/sage/WebPages/folder5med.jpg

SAGE International EBR component parts

SAGE International EBR "Navy Seal Chop-Mod" Variation

SAGE International EBR "Scout Configuration"

http://bastardsinc.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/m1a_scout_ebrb.JPG

More Sage International EBR configurations

http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/content_sub/sage_ebr_review/ebr_both_models_small.jpg
http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/content_sub/sage_ebr_review/ebr_a.jpg
http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/content_sub/sage_ebr_review/ebr_chop_mod_a_small.jpg
http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/content_sub/sage_ebr_review/sage_chop_mod_scope_gun_a.jpg

Some close-ups of Sage EBR chassis

http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/content_sub/sage_ebr_review/sage_chop_mod_scope_e.jpg
http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/content_sub/sage_ebr_review/sage_chop_mod_scope_a.jpg
http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/content_sub/sage_ebr_review/sage_chop_mod_scope_c.jpg
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This second group of pics are different variations of the M-14
offered by Sringfield Armory. IMO none are as cool as the EBR from Sage, but still cool.

AA9628 SOCOM II with Cluster Rail, Urban Camo Stock, Carbon Barrel
http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/rifles/AA9628Large.jpg
M25 "White Feather" Tactical Rifle (The Carlos Hathcock Signature Edition)
http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/rifles/SA9502Large.jpg
M-21 Tactical Rifle
http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/rifles/SA9121Large.jpg

The following pics are just various configurations of M-14 rifles that I stumbled upon online while "researching".

Springfield Armory M1A A1 with Field Stock
http://policeguns.com/2006/images/XLarge_M1Paratrooper.jpg

Good, old-fashioned standard M-14 from Springfield Armory (what I have right now, inherited from an uncle who left me part of his gun collection)
http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/rifles/MA9102Large.jpg

Icarus1

10-15-2006, 05:23 PM

Looks great. And still the M14 is a awesome rifle. But it's the child nof the "railmania" :-)

GrinchWSLG

10-15-2006, 05:40 PM

I guess by "awesome" you mean butt ugly. I'll take a stock M-14 over any of those.

eric_from_texas

10-15-2006, 05:49 PM

I guess by "awesome" you mean butt ugly. I'll take a stock M-14 over any of those.

I have a stock M-14, its a great rifle, dont get me wrong, but I want something more exotic. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess.

Hypno85

10-15-2006, 05:50 PM

Hmm i gotta say im starting to like the newer M14s more and more.

nullterm

10-15-2006, 06:53 PM

http://securityarms.com/sale/sage/WebPages/odm14alcs.jpg

That with a scope and bipod, one sexy weapon.

Midav

10-15-2006, 07:31 PM

M25 "White Feather" Tactical Rifle

Is that in honor of Carlos Hathcock?

BTW: Beautiful Rifles!!!

hammerlock

10-15-2006, 07:57 PM

It's 7.62 the barrel is too short. I know it's the new trend to have a short ass barrel but really 16" is too short for 7.62 Nato.

DeadMeatXM2

10-15-2006, 09:00 PM

This SOPMOD-ification is cool and all, but i'm a fan of the M-14 DMR, keep it nice and simple, original M-14 with 1 rail for a 4x Trijicon ACOG

loooovely :D

He219

10-15-2006, 09:10 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/militarypix/fresh/more/more/31302938.jpg<
RIP Michael A. Monsoor

Thurrdome

10-15-2006, 09:11 PM

The M-21 definitely looks the best: that black color looks mean :).

H2O MAN

10-15-2006, 09:28 PM

I'm thinking of taking my old Springfield Armory M-14 and turning it into one of these bad boys. While I was doing my homework on different mods and parts I came across these vids and pics.

Howdy Eric,

Maybe I can help you with your homework :grin:

Check out EBRSOPMODS.com (http://www.ebrsopmods.proboards100.com/index.cgi) and my MK14 SEI page (http://www.athenswater.com/My_MK14_SEI.htm).

This is my MK14 MOD 0 SEI.
http://www.athenswater.com/images/MK14_MOD_0.JPG

And here is one for those that like the traditional look and feel of wood and steel.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/PointyPoly.JPG

I added the KAC RAS ~ I like rails :)

D-gin

10-15-2006, 09:37 PM

That is one beautiful rifle you have there H2O, My old man carried a M14 when he was in the army and with the photos I'm showing him as of late he's a flea's hair away from buying a new one.

Flavius22

10-15-2006, 09:47 PM

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Flavius22

10-15-2006, 09:47 PM

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eric_from_texas

10-15-2006, 09:50 PM

M25 "White Feather" Tactical Rifle

Is that in honor of Carlos Hathcock?

From Springfield Armory's website:

The M25 White Feather™ Tactical/Carlos Hathcock model M1A™ utilizes the Springfield Armory threaded, rear-lugged receiver, M-14 magazine, Low-Profile Custom Muzzle Break/Stabilizer and a Krieger Carbon Heavy Match Barrel with a 1:10 twist. In a special arrangement with the estate and family of Carlos Hathcock, each M25 White Feather receiver is engraved with likeness of Carlos Hathcock's signature, along with the White Feather logo.

eric_from_texas

10-15-2006, 09:52 PM

Thanks H20 and Flavius for the contributions. I'm checking out your sites right now H20. I like what I see so far :)

Midav

10-15-2006, 10:31 PM

From Springfield Armory's website:

The M25 White Feather™ Tactical/Carlos Hathcock model M1A™ utilizes the Springfield Armory threaded, rear-lugged receiver, M-14 magazine, Low-Profile Custom Muzzle Break/Stabilizer and a Krieger Carbon Heavy Match Barrel with a 1:10 twist. In a special arrangement with the estate and family of Carlos Hathcock, each M25 White Feather receiver is engraved with likeness of Carlos Hathcock's signature, along with the White Feather logo.

Ahhh thank you :)

H2O MAN

10-15-2006, 10:36 PM

http://www.athenswater.com/images/CHMK14SEIHYBRID.JPG

MK14 MOD 0 SEI in a SAGE with a fixed stock.

eric_from_texas

10-15-2006, 10:59 PM

hey H20, is your Mk 14 Mod 0 SEI select fire like this one?

http://www.smithenterprise.com/products16.html

MaydayJohnson

10-15-2006, 11:26 PM

id leave it the way it is, changing it especially if it is an original M14 (IE the real deal) then you'll become a bubba.

H2O MAN

10-15-2006, 11:35 PM

hey H20, is your Mk 14 Mod 0 SEI select fire like this one?

http://www.smithenterprise.com/products16.html

Both of mine are semi-autos.
One is built on a Springfield receiver and the other is built on a Norinco.

BTW, I have a new drop-in stock on the way from TROY that should be an excellent upgrade to any M14 type rifle.

Death.

10-16-2006, 12:13 AM

id leave it the way it is, changing it especially if it is an original M14 (IE the real deal) then you'll become a bubba.

Yeah....putting all of that **** on a classic rifle is kind of..eh...dumb.
Like taking an M1 garand and putting on a RAS and a bunch of 1913 rails with an aimpoint and vertical grip ...

onefast93z28

10-16-2006, 12:23 AM

Sadly I've seen that done to Garands....

Ordie

10-16-2006, 12:43 AM

Sorta off topic.
I remember seeing a photograph of an American Firefighter in Sarajevo holding an M-14 or old carbine providing cover from snipers.

JVeld

10-16-2006, 01:08 AM

Just a beautiful rifle............one of the best ever made !!!

gustavski

10-16-2006, 03:25 AM

damn!!! the custom m-14 is killing me!!! Aaah!!!!!

Basillicus

10-16-2006, 03:32 AM

It makes me always sad to see the most beautiful rifle in the world being raped like that... :-(

loganinkosovo

10-16-2006, 03:52 AM

id leave it the way it is, changing it especially if it is an original M14 (IE the real deal) then you'll become a bubba.

I have to agree. You are going to ruin the resale value at the very least. If you feel the need to screw up a perfectly good weapon then buy a new model M1A from Springfield and screw that up.

If no one can talk you out of this desecration then at least keep all the original hardware and equipment and don't make any permenant mods to the basic rifle components so you can put it back together right when you grow up. :)

Masai

10-16-2006, 05:23 AM

Sorry to thread-jack here, but we had the same issue with the old 303's some guys loved it in the full wooden stock, others went crazy and added Fibre glass stocks, etc etc,

I love the new versions of the M-14 looks kick-@$$, but you guys should keep a couple of the original versions, for the archives...

kjchan

10-16-2006, 05:53 AM

cool!
nice picture, thx

Masai

10-16-2006, 06:06 AM

Dumb Question :

What is the difference between the M21 and the M14 ?

M21 : http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn09-e.htm

kjchan

10-16-2006, 06:35 AM

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/service/25ID_Vietnam_HuntingClub.jpg
after have muffler, the m14 was petty huge!

kjchan

10-16-2006, 06:45 AM

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/service
lot of picture here about m14 in real war

H2O MAN

10-16-2006, 07:03 AM

The M14 is not ruined or bubbafied when put in a SAGE stock, it is enhanced for battle.
The action is tension bedded and the barrel is semi-floated, plus you get a solid optics platform.
IMHO, anything that keeps the old M14 in active service is a good thing.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/ChopMod%20M14EBRs-w-ACOGs.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k246/musicnut_2006/m14%203/Afghanistan-1-b-2-503rd-2a.jpg

http://www.athenswater.com/images/long&short-b.JPG

eric_from_texas

10-16-2006, 10:23 AM

I have to agree. You are going to ruin the resale value at the very least. If you feel the need to screw up a perfectly good weapon then buy a new model M1A from Springfield and screw that up.

If no one can talk you out of this desecration then at least keep all the original hardware and equipment and don't make any permenant mods to the basic rifle components so you can put it back together right when you grow up. :)

my M-14 is not exactly a "perfectly good weapon". i dont know how old it is, but its from springfield armory and it has seen better days (ill try to get a pic). the wood is dinged up and scratched and there is wear and scratches all over the metal. i think my uncle used to hunt with it (and maybe pound rocks with it from the looks of the wood) im going to reblue it and throw the wood away. i dont consider it "desecrating" it, more like resto-mod. its like taking a beat up old car and turning it into a hotrod rather than restoring it to original stock.

drgamtd

10-16-2006, 10:48 AM

http://www.troyind.com/images/stock_system.jpghttp://www.troyind.com/shop/images/Black_Drop_in_Stock.jpg

Website: http://www.troyind.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=64

H2O MAN

10-16-2006, 10:53 AM

i dont consider it "desecrating" it, more like resto-mod. its like taking a beat up old car and turning it into a hotrod rather than restoring it to original stock.

Think of the M14 type rifle as a Hi-Po, All-American Big-Block muscle car... it begs to be hot rodded and performance tuned :)

http://www.athenswater.com/images/tacticalscout-a.JPG

drgamtd

10-16-2006, 10:55 AM

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/cavtroop4/aaa.jpg

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/cavtroop4/aaq.jpg

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/cavtroop4/aat.jpg

eric_from_texas

10-16-2006, 11:44 AM

Dumb Question :

What is the difference between the M21 and the M14 ?

M21 : http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn09-e.htm

my understanding is the M21 is the army designation for the sniper variant of the M14 rifle. basically an M21 is an match grade M14 with a scope. read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M21_(rifle) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M21_%28rifle%29)

D-gin

10-16-2006, 02:27 PM

I like this one, It looks like Aussie cam....:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/Law483/LAW483%20Rifle%20Stocks/LAW483%20Patrol%20Stock/M1AoutsideRH-576.jpg

King_Cobra

10-16-2006, 02:42 PM

**** Orgasm **** :)

H2O MAN

10-16-2006, 03:06 PM

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a153/Fongman/MK14-wSup-4.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a14/031471/CH_34frt_031.jpg

http://www.athenswater.com/images/SuppressedMK14SEI.jpg

Wylie coyote

10-16-2006, 03:43 PM

an m14-ACLS is easly my most wanted gun. next to a kimber .45 of course.

Lazarou

10-16-2006, 04:27 PM

Estonian M14 modification:

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1338/estoniaei4.jpg

Muang

10-16-2006, 04:50 PM

in the second video one one would say Michael Moore. :lol:

http://www.umich.edu/%7Eurecord/0405/Oct04_04/img/041004_Moore%28014%29.jpg

H2O MAN

10-16-2006, 05:40 PM

Estonian M14 modification:

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1338/estoniaei4.jpg

I have never seen this rig before. Do you have anymore information?

H2O MAN

10-16-2006, 05:41 PM

in the second video one one would say Michael Moore. :lol:

http://www.umich.edu/%7Eurecord/0405/Oct04_04/img/041004_Moore%28014%29.jpg

:-( Do I really look like that in the video?

http://www.athenswater.com/images/KevinMK14SEI.JPG

drgamtd

10-16-2006, 06:31 PM

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/civilian/P8060007.sized.jpg

August 06, 2006 - Field test of JAE-100 stock installed in a Springfield Armory, Inc. Super Match M1A with a Fisher Enterprises M14DC sound suppressor. Photo by Different.

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/civilian/JAE_100CoyoteBrown_2B.sized.jpg

July 2006 - Coyote brown JAE-100 stock. Photo courtesy of J. Allen Enterprises.

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/civilian/JAE_100CoyoteBrown_1B.sized.jpg

July 2006 - Coyote brown JAE-100 stock. Photo courtesy of J. Allen Enterprises.

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/civilian/MG_1916ed.sized.jpg

Springfield Armory, Inc. M1A with 18 " barrel in M14 EBR configuration (Sage International, Ltd. steel wire telescoping Chop Mod stock and Smith Enterprise, Inc. Vortex flash hider and combination gas cylinder lock sight). Photo courtesy of Robert Silvers.

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/civilian/MG_1915ed.sized.jpg

Springfield Armory, Inc. M1A SOCOM 16 model dressed in a Sage International, Ltd. M14 Chop Mod collapsing stock. Photo courtesy of Robert Silvers.

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/civilian/bonnie_wei001.jpg

2004 - Miss Bonnie Wei of Taiwan with a Springfield Armory, Inc. M1A. A M6 bayonet is attached to the M1A. Photo by and courtesy of Oleg Volk.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/small_arms/m89sr/m89sr.jpg

The Technical Consulting international (TCI) Model 89 Sniper Rifle (M89SR) introduced in the mid 1980's. M89SR is an Israeli made bullpup version of the American made M14. The M89-SR is designed as a dual purpose weapon. Designed for both urban anti-terrorist operations as well as a battlefield sniper rifle. The rifle is based on the M-14 rifle in a Bullpup configuration. 7.62x51mm NATO Similar to the AWC G2, the M89 is a bullpup conversion of surplus US M14 rifles. Actually, the semi-prolific (but not entirely successful) firearms designer Dr. Nehemiah Sirkis started the ball rolling with his bullpup conversion called the M36 in Israeli service. However, these were not entirely ideal and TCI was tasked with upgrading them. The upgraded rifles became known as the M89. There are two models: the iron sighted M89AR intended for battlefield use, and the scoped M89SR intended for CT/HRT deployment. Even with the addition of a sound suppressor, the overall length is still less than many standard rifles without a suppressor. (From www.israeliweapons.com (http://www.israeliweapons.com))

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/civilian/m89c.jpg

http://www.nightvision.org/images/N.Sentry.gif

Israeli M89 rifles - note that of one of the rifles has an attached suppressor and one lacks a scope.

Do our friends in the IDF have any better images of the M89?

Thanks

drgamtd

H2O MAN

10-16-2006, 11:27 PM

:) I just scored another SAGE stock tonight.
It's identical to my NAVY GRAY EBR stock pictured below.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/vintageEBRa.jpg

D-gin

10-17-2006, 10:26 AM

Source: http://www.militarymorons.com/

INFO: The M14/M1A Modstock (model M1S) from Vltor Weapons Systems is a drop-in replacement stock for the M1A. It offers adjustable length of pull and stock height, plus a pistol-grip configuration.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9361/02se2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7119/01eq3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4811/0jp8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Masai

10-17-2006, 10:38 AM

Estonian M14 modification:

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1338/estoniaei4.jpg

Haven't seen a lefty i quite a while..

What gun does the guy next to him have ?

Hydro

10-17-2006, 10:40 AM

H&K G3. Looks like one of the Swedish or Norwegian ones, AK4 or AG3 respectively.

Masai

10-17-2006, 10:42 AM

Thanks Hydro, awesome thread btw

Lazarou

10-17-2006, 04:25 PM

I have never seen this rig before. Do you have anymore information?
No, sorry. :(
You should ask our Estonian members.

Haven't seen a lefty i quite a while..

What gun does the guy next to him have ?
Swedish AK4 (=G3).

drgamtd

10-18-2006, 08:56 AM

http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan/img/tactical/mfs14Callout1.gif
http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan/img/tactical/mfs14Callout2.gif

http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan/tactical/detail_tactical_mfs14.asp

H2O MAN

10-18-2006, 09:27 AM

http://www.athenswater.com/images/EBRgirl2.jpg

drgamtd

10-18-2006, 01:09 PM

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/service/Me_H_REdited.sized.jpg

2006 Iraq - Photo courtesy of Sergeant Leo Reloza, U. S. Army.

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/service/011306_US_Army_in_Iraq_US_Army_photo.sized.jpg

January 01, 2006 - Sergeant Jan Carlos Manzano of D Company, 2nd Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, looks through his scope during security duty while colleagues conduct site surveys for upcoming civilian relief missions in Shiaha, Iraq. Photo by Staff Sergeant. Kevin L. Moses, Sr., U.S. Army.

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/service/0803_USMC_in_Liberia_peter3_ar15com_2.jpg

August, 2003 - 3rd Platoon, 2nd FAST Company, Security Force Battalion firing position inside the American embassy in Monrovia, Liberia. The U. S. Marines were placed on alert to protect the embassy during civil unrest in this west African nation. Photo courtesy of peter3 at ar15.com.

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/service/dmr2.jpg

April 21, 2005 - Camp Baharia, Iraq: Lance Corporal Brian M. Cloonan, designated marksman with 1st Platoon, 2nd Fleet Anti-Terrorism Security Team Company, Marine Corps Security Force Battalion, prepares to aim in on his target as Lance Corporal William Black, also a designated marksman in the same platton, observes down range. Unit members practiced adjusting their weapons’ sights and firing the rifles aboard 1st Battalion, 6th Marine Regiment’s range to maintain their proficiency while providing security for convoys here. USMC photo by Corporal Mike Escobar.

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/service/2_108_roof.sized.jpg

2004 - The 2nd Battalion, 108th Infantry Regiment is headed for Iraq, following realistic battlefield training at the U. S. Army Joint Readiness Training Center at Fort Polk, LA. The deployment of this unit is the first in wartime for a New York National Guard infantry battalion since World War II. Photo by SFC Glenn Somelofske, U. S. Army.

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/service/3_116th_Inf_SFC.jpg

2004 - A U. S. Army soldier (HHC 3/116th Infantry) with a M14 rifle sporting ACOG and E O Tech sights somewhere in Afghanistan.

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/service/special_forces1069.sized.jpg

October 25, 2003 - Lance Corporal Michael Roy, native of Ft. Myers, FL, searches the super structure of the ship through his sniper scope, while Lance Corporal Ryan Sarson, of Tipp City, OH, watches his partner's back. 2nd FAST Company, 7th Platoon, 1st Squad, practiced a vessel, board, search and seizure training scenario aboard USS Blue Ridge LCC 19. The USS Blue Ridge was under way for a regularly scheduled deployment.
U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 1st Class (AW) Winston C. Pitman

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/858/dmr18dp.jpg

drgamtd

10-18-2006, 01:18 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/NATO762/JAE100-G2-01.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/NATO762/JAE100-G2-02.jpg

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1654/1000022mj2.jpg

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4240/1000023yn2.jpg

chas

10-18-2006, 07:40 PM

You have to stop posting those beautyful rifles... especially the modern small company ones... Im just an airsofter, you know? and Ill never be able to get such a stock on an airsoft M14.

BTW: can you post more pics of painted M14s? Thanks!

drgamtd

10-18-2006, 09:16 PM

H20 MAN I saw your login name and avatar all over the www.14forum.com (http://www.14forum.com) site where you have achieved, "Old Salt" status (a very high acolade I am sure). Thanks for the images from another (obvious) M14/M1A admirer.

Danny

I'mOnlyHalfPolish

10-19-2006, 02:19 AM

[QUOTE=drgamtd;2002921]http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/cavtroop4/aaa.jpgQUOTE]

i bet that guy is good at math too...ZIIIING! ok kidding...anyhow i usually hate the mod'ed up 14's but this one looks amazing!

TonyT

11-22-2006, 07:42 PM

I have shot the SOCOM II and am not a fan and definately think the extra add on armor doesn't balance well. However, I am a huge fan of the M14. The one pictured shoots under 1" groups at 100 yards (black hills or equivalent ammo.) The FAL pictured groups closer to 2" at 100 yards but is completely reliable with any type of ammo and is much lighter and more compact.

My point: Designated Marksman should stick to a 21" barreled M14 with quality optics. Those looking for a 7.62 carbine might consider the 21st Century FAL!

gaijinsamurai

11-22-2006, 08:05 PM

Nice rifles, TonyT. Very nice!

Ghelp

11-22-2006, 08:16 PM

Great rifles guys.Amazing modifications.A Colombian Naval recruit found an old M-14 in the weapons depot.Cleaned it up and it fired like a charm.

http://unffmm.com/Galerias/Ejc/galeria%20armas%20uso%20personal/aup15.jpg

H2O MAN

11-22-2006, 08:25 PM

Great rifles guys.Amazing modifications.

A Colombian Naval recruit found an old M-14 in the weapons depot.Cleaned it up and it fired like a charm.

That lucky bastard! :)

This is my current collection of short M14 type rifles. The AR-10A4 carbine is also a nice rifle.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/GROUPSHOT1%20024.jpg

Ghelp

11-22-2006, 08:35 PM

Yep he sure is.Great collection by the way.

My regards.

JTAR7242

11-22-2006, 09:03 PM

Looks great. And still the M14 is a awesome rifle. But it's the child nof the "railmania" :-)

You know, I've yet to hear any valid criticism of having rail mounts on weapons.

This is one of the most retarded bandwagons ever.

TonyT

11-22-2006, 09:11 PM

H20 man, that is some expensive furniture you have on that collection. I priced one for my M14 and it was over $500.00. By the way, I like the scout.

Lt. KoNAne

11-22-2006, 09:13 PM

do soldiers use M14 during CQC???

pipaz

11-22-2006, 09:28 PM

http://www.athenswater.com/images/vintageEBRa.jpg

Dont know bout other units but 4th brigade, 82nd is going back to wooden stock apperantly this one has issues, ive talked to some group guys said its worthless, personaly I like to wooden one too, I wish we could have McMillan stock instead, now they are even talking about leting us take our own m14

God bless the man that made this one

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/NATO762/JAE100-G2-01.jpg

H2O MAN

11-22-2006, 09:38 PM

Dont know bout other units but 4th brigade, 82nd is going back to wooden stock apperantly this one has issues, ive talked to some group guys said its worthless, personaly I like to wooden one too, I wish we could have McMillan stock instead, now they are even talking about leting us take our own m14

The number of M14 rifles in SAGE stocks in action is growing daily despite the random gripe.
The SAGE EBR has proven itself in combat to be an excellent upgrade to any M14 type rifle.
I hope to see the TROY MCS in action soon :)

H2O MAN

11-22-2006, 09:43 PM

H20 man, that is some expensive furniture you have on that collection. I priced one for my M14 and it was over $500.00. By the way, I like the scout.

Thanks TonyT,

I don't have a problem buying used and all of it is le$$ than one HD or an old GTO.
What Scout do you like? There are 2 Scouts, 1 SOCOM and an AR-10...

Mountain Man

11-22-2006, 11:49 PM

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6313/061117a5144a015ws3.jpg

deagle

11-23-2006, 01:47 AM

...............
is that vin diesel under those shades ?

VanLeeuwen

11-23-2006, 05:42 AM

is that vin diesel under those shades ?

This guy makes Vin Diesel look feminine.. lol

Icarus1

11-23-2006, 05:47 AM

You know, I've yet to hear any valid criticism of having rail mounts on weapons.

This is one of the most retarded bandwagons ever.

The smiley was placed of me to say "I don't mean this all too serious"

H2O MAN

11-23-2006, 07:58 AM

Great picture!

He needs and SEI ACOG mount to move the optic back a little though.

MG 3

11-23-2006, 08:38 AM

I know that this might sound odd but can some one give me info about the recoil of the M-14. What I mean is that is more or less than the recoil of first the M-24 and then the G-3/A3. Would be a great help.

pipaz

11-23-2006, 12:30 PM

m14 has more recoil than m24, at leats it feels that way, besides m24 wighs more too, cant tell you anything bout g3 I have never shot one....

Sand Man

11-24-2006, 05:05 AM

I'm luvin' this thread... :D

Anybody got a pic of an M-14 with a 200-round drum mag?

MG 3

11-24-2006, 06:09 AM

m14 has more recoil than m24, at leats it feels that way, besides m24 wighs more too, cant tell you anything bout g3 I have never shot one....

Thanks Man!!:hug:

Great threadhttp://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

grabie_bis

11-24-2006, 07:20 AM

Hannibal Smith from "A-Team" would love this thread for sure... remember his silver and wood M-14? a classic ;-)

Sand Man

11-24-2006, 07:49 AM

~Center~, I've been meaning to ask this: what's the difference between the Mini-14 and M-14? I mean, they're both 7.62, right? ....or not. :(

Hydro

11-24-2006, 07:51 AM

Mini 14's are like scaled down Garands in 5.56mm (also available in 7.62 x39). There are a few variations ("military" versions with select fire, folding stocks, carbines etc). They're quite a bit smaller than M14's.

Sirpad

11-24-2006, 08:13 AM

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/697/m141gl8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/824/m142yb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8658/m143da3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7302/m144xq0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/5422/m145mf7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
classic M14/21s will show later on...

Sand Man

11-24-2006, 09:26 AM

The last pic, why does his scope have some sort of screen? Is that some sort of anti-glare device?

Sand Man

11-24-2006, 09:27 AM

Icarus1

11-24-2006, 09:30 AM

The last pic, why does his scope have some sort of screen? Is that some sort of anti-glare device?

It is, and protects the lense. Scopes do focus a far distance away, so the cover won't affect too much the sight. Problem is, that it doesn't work in low light conditions, because less light gets assembled by the lense.

393Bird

11-24-2006, 09:45 AM

I thought the one I had in Nam was unique. :) I was in Nam in the early years when you saw a wide variety of issued weapons. I ended up being assigned a M14A1E1. I had never even seen one before. I was with a group of about 5 guys in a paddy, when we were fired on. I just caught a glimpse of the flash, and swung my rifle up to fire of a round as we moved for cover. Hell, I had it in automatic, and before I got my finger off the trigger, I was firing nearly straight up. The Sgt hollered at me, "What the F*.* you doing, it is not a air strike! Good thing there were no choppers near by :)

I latter found out it had a bipod on it before, but had been removed.

onefast93z28

11-24-2006, 10:38 AM

[QUOTE=Sand Man;2106393]~Center~, I've been meaning to ask this: what's the difference between the Mini-14 and M-14? I mean, they're both 7.62, right? ....or not. :([/QUOTE

The mini 14 is a 5.56mm rifle that takes parts of of the M1 Garand, M1 carbine, and M14. There is also a mini 30 which is chambered in 7.62x39mm. A full auto version of the mini14 was made called the AC556.

devil99

11-29-2006, 01:41 AM

nullterm

11-29-2006, 01:58 AM

God bless the man that made this one

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/NATO762/JAE100-G2-01.jpg

Come to daddy!

bghon

03-23-2007, 12:21 PM

The last pic, why does his scope have some sort of screen? Is that some sort of anti-glare device?

I think they used to call the scope as honeycomb design...used to hide the location's of a sniper's rifle.

intikam

03-23-2007, 05:46 PM

are sniper m 14 s new or old army rifles?_

kayaker

03-23-2007, 06:51 PM

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1650/m14classic03ue3.jpg
nice tracer rounds as the top mag rounds

Here are a couple I have in my bucket:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/Picture001.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/061117a5144a015tu2.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/SniperRifleView.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/misc79ta.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1160/m14classic14cq7.jpg
no prices guessin which unit.. they are the one wearin climbin harnasses 24/7. Must start to rub after a while...

Vivisector

03-23-2007, 07:58 PM

I think they used to call the scope as honeycomb design...used to hide the location's of a sniper's rifle.

It's called a killflash.

H2O MAN

05-07-2007, 07:52 AM

Civilian: Crazy Horse MK14 SEI MOD 1

http://www.athenswater.com/images/CrazyHorseMK14-SEI-GenIIchopMod.jpg

Military: Crane built MK14 MOD 1

http://www.athenswater.com/images/mk14mod1.jpg

Sand Man

05-07-2007, 11:37 AM

There have been varied opinions as to who these guys are ... one site says they're SEALs, another claims they are FR, and still, another thinks they're CSAR.

So which is it?

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1160/m14classic14cq7.jpg

H2O MAN

05-07-2007, 11:41 AM

I don't know who they are, but nice ASOLOs!

Silent_Hunter

05-08-2007, 09:34 PM

its is a very nic pic of m14

Silent_Hunter

05-08-2007, 09:39 PM

http://www.gun-world.net/usa/r/m14/mk14.htm

Silent_Hunter

05-08-2007, 09:40 PM

United States Navy Mark 14 Mod 0 Enhanced Battle Rifle

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Jump to: navigation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_Mark_14_Mod_0_Enhanced_Battle_Rifle#column-one), search (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_Mark_14_Mod_0_Enhanced_Battle_Rifle#searchInput)
The United States Navy Mark 14 Mod 0 Enhanced Battle Rifle (EBR) is an American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) selective fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_fire) military (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military) rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle) chambered for the 7.62x51mm NATO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62x51mm_NATO) cartridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartridge_%28weaponry%29), a variant of the Springfield Armory M14 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M14_Rifle), built for use with units of United States Naval Special Warfare Command (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Naval_Special_Warfare_Command), Marine Corps Special Operations Detachment 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCSOCOM_Detachment_One), and Marine Corps Force Reconnaissance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps_Force_Reconnaissance). The weapon was designed and created by Sage International, Ltd. in cooperation with Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane Division (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Surface_Warfare_Center_Crane_Division), to fulfill a five-year Crane contract for a modernized, product improved M14 rifle system.
Smith Enterprise, Inc. builds an advanced version of the Navy Mk 14 Mod 0 ~ a.k.a. MK14 SEI.
The MK14 SEI can be had with a medium heavy Crazy Horse barrel or a Standard Profile Chrome-Lined Barrel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_Mark_14_Mod_0_Enhanced_Battle_Rifle

Silent_Hunter

05-08-2007, 09:42 PM

Oneill (GER)

05-09-2007, 08:53 AM

It looks like an SOC 16 Version with EBR Stock or? But why is the RD so far away from the Eye?

H2O MAN

05-09-2007, 09:02 AM

That is the obsolete, out of production TROY SOPMOD rifle. A grand total of 40 of these were made.
IMHO, the MK14 Mod 0 & Mod 1 are much better weapon systems.
Update: The much anticipated TROY M14 MCS stock is now shipping.

H2O MAN

03-30-2009, 09:19 AM

Two and a half years later...

http://www.athenswater.com/images/H2O-M14-5.jpg

http://www.athenswater.com/images/Ft.Bliss-2.JPG

http://www.athenswater.com/images/H2O-M14-4.jpg

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o10/noshpatu/3045518021_db7a109d43_o.jpg

http://www.athenswater.com/images/H2O-M14-2.jpg

Paveway

03-30-2009, 12:29 PM

Ali Baba

04-10-2009, 10:29 AM

Thanks for the Revive Fellas, I Needed some Good things to look at when i woke up

Alpha-17

04-10-2009, 10:45 AM

Thanks for the revival. I never really cared for the M14, but the new EBR chassis simply makes the weapon look BA, and is my inspiration for the mods I'm making to my Century Arms CETME.

H2O MAN

06-08-2009, 04:18 PM

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/1fastgxr/Sageaction44.jpg

TACOM RI M14 EBR - - - AFG 2009

H2O MAN

06-09-2009, 02:44 PM

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/1fastgxr/Sageaction42.jpg

US Marine M39EMR

T-5 Killer

06-09-2009, 06:19 PM

Sadly I've seen that done to Garands....

As much as it pains me, I kinda want to see that...Maybe I am a glutton for punishment. But I would NEVER do that to a Garand.:|

TonyT

06-09-2009, 06:35 PM

I love my M1A NM. It is an awesome rifle. I would love to by one of these new stocks but I can't understand why they are so damn expensive. I like the SAGE EBR but I will stick with my walnut stock for now.

H2O MAN

06-22-2009, 11:21 AM

Is that the MK14 Mod 1 EBR at the bottom, or some other variant?
'cause I've seen that rifle before, tagged as the Mod 1, but never actually seen/read any other info about it.

Yes, that is the original MK14 MOD 1 EBR stock. You can find more on the stock and rifle on
The History and Development of the SAGE Enhanced Battle Rifle (EBR) chassis stock system (http://www.athenswater.com/M1A_Scout_Squad_EBR.htm).
There is a second generation MOD 1 stock available from Clyde Armory in Bogart, GA.

H2O MAN

07-03-2009, 09:31 PM

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m303/daemon734/100_0181.jpg

ryonrivera

07-04-2009, 04:58 AM

sorry if repost

lag

07-04-2009, 05:56 AM

Dunno but most of the M14 mods look really ugly to me.

H2O MAN

07-04-2009, 08:56 AM

Dunno but most of the M14 mods look really ugly to me.
They're still better looking than any SCAR

jagermeister

07-04-2009, 10:56 AM

These M14s are enough to make a grown man cry they are so ****in ugly. SCAR atleast works well.

AZZenny

07-04-2009, 01:23 PM

This is a very sexy weapon, in my totally uninformed opinion.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/NATO762/JAE100-G2-01.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/NATO762/JAE100-G2-01.jpg)

H2O MAN

07-05-2009, 06:51 PM

SCAR atleast works well.

Are you saying they have worked all of the bugs out of the SCAR H?

At least the modernized and enhanced M14s are reliable, accurate, inexpensive and plentiful.

.

H2O MAN

08-01-2009, 07:30 AM

http://www.smithenterprise.com/images/DSC05382.01.jpg

http://www.smithenterprise.com/images/DSC05395.01.jpg

jagermeister

08-01-2009, 09:56 AM

Are you saying they have worked all of the bugs out of the SCAR H?

At least the modernized and enhanced M14s are reliable, accurate, inexpensive and plentiful.

.

sweet only took them sense what 1957 to get it there. I will also beg to differ on most of the above. SCAR H I have not got my **** skinners on.

H2O MAN

08-01-2009, 10:29 AM

SCAR H I have not got my **** skinners on.

Since mere mortals can't yet purchase a SCAR-H please share you experience.

Thanks.

jagermeister

08-01-2009, 10:57 AM

Since mere mortals can't yet purchase a SCAR-H please share you experience.

Thanks.

I can tell reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

H2O MAN

08-01-2009, 11:57 AM

I can tell reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

Your communication skills are lacking...
Maybe you could clarify "SCAR H I have not got my **** skinners on" for the class.

jagermeister

08-01-2009, 12:09 PM

Your communication skills are lacking...
Maybe you could clarify "SCAR H I have not got my **** skinners on" for the class.

SCAR H( gun) I(me) have not got(placed) my(mine) **** skinners (hands) on.............any more questions from the kids in the special class.

3rdMillhouse

08-01-2009, 12:20 PM

http://www.smithenterprise.com/images/DSC05382.01.jpg

http://www.smithenterprise.com/images/DSC05395.01.jpg

That's by far the most beautiful mod on the M14 rifle.

H2O MAN

08-01-2009, 12:35 PM

SCAR H( gun) I(me) have not got(placed) my(mine) **** skinners (hands) on............

I've never heard it put that way... thank you for clarifying :)

H2O MAN

08-01-2009, 12:39 PM

That's by far the most beautiful mod on the M14 rifle.

The Mod 0 is quite attractive.

This is how mine looked three years ago

http://www.athenswater.com/images/MK14-SEI-MOD-0_gen1.jpg

H2O MAN

08-21-2009, 05:06 PM

Crazy Horse M21A5 EBR

http://www.athenswater.com/images/M21A5_EBR-2.jpg

Seiran

08-21-2009, 06:59 PM

I'm shocked I haven't come across this thread until now...

My contribution
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/3246/2iuazhd.jpg

carbonrod

08-21-2009, 09:47 PM

Crazy Horse M21A5 EBR

http://www.athenswater.com/images/M21A5_EBR-2.jpg
I am still surprised that they went with such a high scope mount. The side sling/grip makes a nice combo though.

H2O MAN

08-22-2009, 08:24 AM

I'm shocked I haven't come across this thread until now...

My contribution
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/3246/2iuazhd.jpg

Nice TACOM M14 EBR !!

H2O MAN

08-23-2009, 08:02 PM

I am still surprised that they went with such a high scope mount. The side sling/grip makes a nice combo though.

I think the picture angle is to blame, because the eye piece on the scope sits between 1.25" & 1.50" above the very end of the receiver heel.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/M21A5_EBR_Suppressed-1.jpg

The suppressor and it's carrier.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/M14DC_carrier.jpg

H2O MAN

08-26-2009, 09:05 AM

A work in progress...

http://www.athenswater.com/images/MK14-Mod-1-EBR.jpg

Crazy Horse

08-26-2009, 10:56 AM

http://www.crazyhorserifles.com/images/DSCN4784.JPGhttp://www.crazyhorserifles.com/images/DSCN4775a.jpgOK, one from me. Hand rubbed 100% tiger stripe birch stock and full CrazyHorse® configuratoin. A bit more traditional, but rather nice, none the less.

H2O MAN

08-27-2009, 01:56 AM

OK, one from me. Hand rubbed 100% tiger stripe birch stock and full CrazyHorse® configuratoin.
A bit more traditional, but rather nice, none the less.

A true work of art... looks like part of the 2006 101st Airborne Crazy Horse build.

Crazy Horse

08-27-2009, 09:47 AM

H2OMan,
You have good eyes. When SEI built the 101st’s rifles, there was only one non-government rifle in the build. That was this one. It was built at the same time and to the same specifications as the government rifle. It has all the appropriate proof marks. It is quite literally unique in the world.

H2O MAN

09-09-2009, 05:20 PM

The scope and rings arrived today :)

http://www.athenswater.com/images/Suppressed_MK14-1.jpg

jagermeister

09-09-2009, 10:24 PM

gaijinsamurai

09-09-2009, 10:54 PM

Absolutely beautiful rifle, Crazyhorse!!!!

H2O MAN

09-14-2009, 10:25 PM

Now with improved picture quality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rs6Jj30TOk

(http://militaryphotos.net/forums/%3Cobject%20width=)

546

09-14-2009, 11:50 PM

The M-14 is truly like an old pair of Levi's: "Never goes out of style." Thanks for sharing your pics everyone :)

Mormaeglin

09-15-2009, 02:52 AM

I think the picture angle is to blame, because the eye piece on the scope sits between 1.25" & 1.50" above the very end of the receiver heel.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/M21A5_EBR_Suppressed-1.jpg

The suppressor and it's carrier.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/M14DC_carrier.jpg

Aren't silencers Class III stuff or is this one just extension of barrel? to say the truth I am a bit out-of-date inf concerning US gun law.

H2O MAN

09-15-2009, 07:30 AM

Aren't silencers Class III stuff or is this one just extension of barrel? to say the truth I am a bit out-of-date inf concerning US gun law.

In my state BATF paper work and a tax stamp are required for me to own any sound suppressor.

Mormaeglin

09-15-2009, 09:18 AM

In my state BATF paper work and a tax stamp are required for me to own any sound suppressor.

Ah, now I see, thanks for info.

Ought Six

09-16-2009, 02:21 AM

O:
"Sorta off topic. I remember seeing a photograph of an American Firefighter in Sarajevo holding an M-14 or old carbine providing cover from snipers."I remember reading a Soldier of Fortune magazine article about that very incident many years ago. The firefighters were Americans, but the guy with the rifle was a local Bosnian (?) military leader protecting them with his Springfield Armory M1A. He killed the sniper that was firing on the American volunteer firefighters and keeping them pinned down. The UN observers were furious that this guy was shooting in a supposed 'no fire' zone. He told them to fvck off.

======================================================================

I have a Springfied Armory M1A Squad Scout with a Mossy Oak fiberglass stock. It is the perfect length, and balances very nicely. About all I can see adding is a short rail underneath the handguard.

fragmall

09-16-2009, 07:52 PM

I wish these add-ons were available, back in the day, for my old, long gone, M-14.

All I did was spray the fibreglass stock olive green but she shot a beaut.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k70/fragmall/M-14.jpg

Taken at on a zero range IIRC sometime in 1985.

H2O MAN

09-21-2009, 08:34 AM

I wish these add-ons were available, back in the day, for my old, long gone, M-14.

All I did was spray the fibreglass stock olive green but she shot a beaut.

Taken at on a zero range IIRC sometime in 1985.

There is nothing wrong with an M14 in USGI fiberglass :)

I took my other M21A5 to a silencer only shoot over the weekend.
It's in a USGI synthetic with RRM and it shot great.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/SS-2009-4.jpg

http://www.athenswater.com/images/Suppressed-M21A5-RRM.jpg

http://www.athenswater.com/images/SS-2009-3.jpg

Mormaeglin

09-22-2009, 05:12 AM

[IMG]

Estonian M14 TP (TP - täpsuspüss) in A-stan.

regards,

Nice find, thanks ;)

H2O MAN

09-22-2009, 07:58 AM

Nice find, thanks ;)

+1

Really nice!

Verto

09-22-2009, 10:22 AM

Is that a galil the other guys carrying?? Never seen one all kitted up like that.

H2O MAN

09-24-2009, 12:10 PM

http://www.athenswater.com/images/MK14SEI-MOD0-RI-Tshirt.jpg

Ominae

09-28-2009, 02:44 PM

Is that a galil the other guys carrying?? Never seen one all kitted up like that.

Yup. They got them from Israel.

AZZenny

09-29-2009, 02:33 AM

H2OMan, that's nearly ****ographic.

lightfire

09-29-2009, 08:48 AM

Our president plays Putin:

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/15/gryputn.jpg

H2O MAN

09-29-2009, 09:02 AM

Dalia Grybauskaite ?

lightfire

09-29-2009, 09:26 AM

Yup, I'll post some pics in Todays pictures thread soon :)

ColinP

09-29-2009, 10:03 PM

Here are my 3 Norcs. the poly stock one is the latest batch from China, very and tight. The light coloured stock is one of the first to be imported into Canada and the brown one was built to import to the US during the AWB, note the filled in flashider and cut off bayonet lug.
http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv262/colinpark_photo/M305/IMG_2464.jpg
http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv262/colinpark_photo/M305/IMG_2465.jpg
http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv262/colinpark_photo/M305/IMG_2466.jpg
http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv262/colinpark_photo/M305/IMG_2469.jpg

H2O MAN

09-30-2009, 03:26 PM

Nice Norcs!

My MK14 SEI rifles (Mod 0 & 1) are built on Norinco receivers :)

H2O MAN

10-15-2009, 05:37 AM

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8046/091011a3355s006.jpg

U.S. Army Sgt. Zachary Adkins uses his rifle scope to scan the terrain while on a dismounted patrol with his platoon Oct. 11, 2009,
near Combat Outpost Herrera in the Paktiya province of Afghanistan. Adkins and fellow Soldiers are searching for sites from which
the Taliban has firing rockets at the outpost. Adkins is deployed with Apache Troop, 1st Squadron, 40th Cavalry Regiment.
(U.S. Army photo by Staff Sgt. Andrew Smith/Released)

Polyshot

10-17-2009, 04:18 AM

Seiran

11-10-2009, 02:45 PM

Thank you! My new desktop

airsoftfarmer

11-13-2009, 11:32 PM

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9920/m14bullpupconfiguration.jpg
bullpup
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7539/m14estonain2.jpg
Estonian
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1614/m14k.jpg
M14K
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4834/m14l1.png
M14L1 - Lithuanian

TheKorean

11-13-2009, 11:56 PM

How do you get m-14 in to a sniper rifle? And how effective is that sniper rifle?

Dling

11-14-2009, 01:36 AM

Just wondering, how the Norinco quality is as apposed to the Springfield made ones? I've heard about head space problems with the Norinco's from the little bit of research I've done but that was at least a year ago.

Skutatos

11-14-2009, 01:40 AM

How do you get m-14 in to a sniper rifle? And how effective is that sniper rifle?

The M14 sniper rifle is called the M21:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M21_Sniper_Weapon_System

Alpha-17

11-14-2009, 04:52 AM

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9920/m14bullpupconfiguration.jpg
bullpup

Who makes the Bullpup M14?

H2O MAN

11-14-2009, 06:53 PM

This one is very interesting. Can anyone offer up some details?

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4834/m14l1.png

airsoftfarmer

11-14-2009, 07:36 PM

I have no idea who makes the bullpup but the M14L1 is just a lithuanian made stock put on surplus M14's the US donated them. It's probably my favorite variation, especially the snow camo one.
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3756/m14l12.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3640/m14l13.jpg
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6583/m14l14.png

lightfire

11-15-2009, 02:14 AM

it's also pretty lame weapon as well - unstable, clumsy and has been remade to look more like M21. I've heard the Estonian one is rather a better example.

Soldat_Américain

11-15-2009, 02:18 AM

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9920/m14bullpupconfiguration.jpg

Where can I buy...although I want a different pistol grip.

Briag

11-15-2009, 03:14 AM

Where can I buy...although I want a different pistol grip.

You'd probably love this one.;-)

http://www.shortrifles.com/

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/8277/3gunlarge.th.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/3gunlarge.jpg/)

Alpha-17

11-15-2009, 10:14 AM

You'd probably love this one.;-)

http://www.shortrifles.com/

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/8277/3gunlarge.th.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/3gunlarge.jpg/)

That's the one I found last night. The choice is now between this or Troy's Chassis. Decisions, decisions. :)

Soldat_Américain

11-15-2009, 12:00 PM

That looks awesome.

digrar

11-16-2009, 04:28 AM

A reminder to all, hotlinking breaks forum rules. A host must be used, or attach the image to the post when replying.
Also if you have hi res images provide a link, do not post the image, it slows up page loads. Not everyone has superfast broadband.

Sirpad

11-16-2009, 11:37 AM

Who makes the Bullpup M14?
looks like a remake of TCI's M89SR - here's an excrept from Isayeret.com's page about the gun, back from the days the site free of charge.

Like the Galil Sniper Rifle, that was also introduced at that time, the M36 SWS was another potential competitor for replacing the Israeli modified M14 SWS as the IDF standard issue SWS. In the tests conducted by the IDF in the late 1980's, the M36 was tested head to head with the Galil Sniper Rifle and the M14, and prevailed by far. The M36 was accurate, reliable and compact in size, so the IDF placed an initial order for 1300 units of the M36 to be purchased. Unfortunately, the Sardius Company failed to prove it had the proper financial and technical resources to produce such a mass quantity and the IDF order was aborted. Eventually, neither the Galil Sniper Rifle nor the M36 SWS managed to replace the M14 in the IDF, and the M14 remained in service until in 1997 when it was finally replaced by a real bolt action SWS - the M24. In the early 1990's Sardius went out of business and TCI got the licensee to produce the M36 SWS.

The weapon had undergone modifications, including a new carbon fiber stock, and was reintroduced as theM89SR. As a bullpup version of a highly accurate assault rifle - the M14 - the M89SR is a very accurate semi auto rifle, which is well capable of 1 MOA groups with M852 168 grain Sierra round. With proper match ammunition like the M118LR 175 grain round, the M89SR is cable of 0.75 MOA groups. Its bullpup design allows the M89 to utilize a relatively long fully floating barrel (56 cm in length), while maintaining a short length of only 85 cm (103 with a sound suppressor), hence considerably shorter then some assault rifles not to mention other longer conventional shape SWS.

Fully loaded with a 20 rounds magazine, the M89SR weights only 6.28 kg. (7.03 kg with a sound suppressor mounted). Its combined compact size and weight provide the M89SR SWS with a very potent concealment Eventually only few dozens M36 were procured by the IDF. The weapon's compact size combined with its strong firepower, made it an ideal SWS for units with prior concern being concealment. So the few M36 purchased were mainly issued to the IDF two SF CT undercover units operating at the time - Sayeret Duvdevan and Sayeret Shimshon. The weapons was sold to several foreign SF units, such as taiwan's SWAT unit.

Alpha-17

11-16-2009, 12:10 PM

Thanks Sirpad.

Got this picture from Short Rifle's website, but I thought I'd post it up, because it shows just how badass their Bulldog762 stock looks:
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/Alpha-17/opening_picture.jpg

Soldat_Américain

11-16-2009, 12:47 PM

I like it but I think I'll roll with the synthetic though.

Sirpad

11-16-2009, 04:47 PM

Thanks Sirpad.

Got this picture from Short Rifle's website, but I thought I'd post it up, because it shows just how badass their Bulldog762 stock looks
you welcome, Alpha-17. as for the Bulldog762 - it looks like a typical american fun-gun, barrel's too short to efectively build bullet velocity. plus, i bet this gun's recoil gives a one cruel punch into the shooter's shoulder...

Alpha-17

11-16-2009, 05:28 PM

I like it but I think I'll roll with the synthetic though.

Same here. Lighter, and cheaper.

you welcome, Alpha-17. as for the Bulldog762 - it looks like a typical american fun-gun, barrel's too short to efectively build bullet velocity. plus, i bet this gun's recoil gives a one cruel punch into the shooter's shoulder...

Actually, the barrel is the same length as the conventional M14/M1A, 18, 16, or 14 inches depending on the variant. The kick might be bad due to the action being closer to the butt, and definitely due to the lighter gun, but that's one trade I'd be willing to make.

KBar666

11-16-2009, 08:16 PM

Crazy Horse M21A5 EBR

http://www.athenswater.com/images/M21A5_EBR-2.jpg

My fave,cept the bipod. Don't like that model.

H2O MAN

11-23-2009, 02:37 PM

What bipod would you prefer?

I have an early version of SEI's bipod on my Mod 0 . . .

http://www.smithenterprise.com/images02/young01.lg.jpg

KBar666

11-23-2009, 02:51 PM

Yeah thats a little more my style. I don't know with certain things I just prefer and fashioned style.

H2O MAN

11-30-2009, 11:59 AM

Stashed away in a vault just waiting to be enhanced and modernized.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/POLY_M-14S.jpg

Britishhawk

01-18-2010, 04:13 PM

http://i45.tinypic.com/33fgknq.jpg

m14?

1234

zapatero

01-18-2010, 05:11 PM

Sure it is. RSA police I pressume?

SBL

01-18-2010, 05:13 PM

Sure it is. RSA police I pressume?
Haitian, I think.

zapatero

01-19-2010, 04:52 AM

Ah yes, now it makes sense. I remember seeing some docu on TV a while ago showing Haitian military equiped with M14'a and M1 Garands (sic!). Must be standard issued weapon there.

H2O MAN

02-20-2010, 05:46 PM

110906

110907

M14EBR-RI at the Kandahar airfield market woot

H2O MAN

02-20-2010, 08:58 PM

:grin:

Large EBR Slide Show (http://www.pixagogo.com/5706244105)

samourai13000

02-21-2010, 06:58 AM

Kyle Lamb test Troy industries M14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVft1mVOJf0

foxtwofive

02-21-2010, 07:21 AM

I Find this quiet interesting and i think it might be even better than the M14 EBR system.

H2O MAN

02-21-2010, 09:41 AM

Old School...

110942

110940

110941

110939

Sir Zach of R.

02-21-2010, 12:56 PM

Anything could be better than the EBR, a solid piece of aluminum for a chassis and that ****e buttstock just makes it heavy, and incredibly awkward to shoot.

Bedhead

02-21-2010, 06:21 PM

H2OMan in three, two , one.....

Aside from some fitting issues with a 1990's Springfield M1A my buddy has, the MCS is very nice. He has a Magpul Miad grip, some rail panels, Troy BUIS, and a Magpul collapsible buttstock on it. It works well in the "new" hunched over M4 shooting position/style, and very well with a traditional rifle stance. The weight difference is negligible. I lust after his setup and threaten him with it's theft.

H2O MAN

02-22-2010, 11:37 AM

U.S. soldiers from 2nd Platoon, Alpha Company, 32nd Infantry Regiment fire their weapons during a gun battle
against attacking Taliban forces from their position over the village of Bargematal, Nuristan, August 22, 2009.

http://i28.tinypic.com/2cghic2.jpg http://i32.tinypic.com/95psux.jpg http://i27.tinypic.com/ei17is.jpg

H2O MAN

02-22-2010, 11:48 AM

I like the M14 MCS and prefer it with a fixed A2 stock.

I will pick one up now that the MCS has been improved.

H2OMan in three, two , one.....

Aside from some fitting issues with a 1990's Springfield M1A my buddy has, the MCS is very nice. He has a Magpul Miad grip, some rail panels, Troy BUIS, and a Magpul collapsible buttstock on it. It works well in the "new" hunched over M4 shooting position/style, and very well with a traditional rifle stance. The weight difference is negligible. I lust after his setup and threaten him with it's theft.

kinney_bmx

02-22-2010, 12:37 PM

None of your attachments work H20 MAN

H2O MAN

02-22-2010, 12:57 PM

None of your attachments work H20 MAN

The links have been repaired ~ Thank you.

H2O MAN

02-22-2010, 08:16 PM

M21A5 Crazy Horse EBR
M21A5 Light RRM
MK14 SEI Crazy Horse Mod 0
MK14 SEI Chrome Lined

111218

H2O MAN

02-24-2010, 12:06 AM

http://www.athenswater.com/images/m21a5chebr-sass.jpg

M21A5 Crazy Horse EBR ~ SASS

Consigliere

02-24-2010, 01:41 AM

http://i45.tinypic.com/33fgknq.jpg

m14?

1234

Indeed an M14. Note strange firing stance because this rifle can only be fired "right handed" - this man is cheating fate by holding the weapon away from his face. Generally the weapon can ony be fired one time "left handed" since the operating rod handle will re-arrange the operator's face, and the brass will be ejected into his head; usually the ear, neck or side of the head.

After firing once, the wise operator will realize that he should adopt a right handed stance. Of course not all operators are "wise".... C

Bro Jangles

02-24-2010, 01:48 AM

http://i27.tinypic.com/ei17is.jpg
we got some hi res action for this one?

H2O MAN

02-24-2010, 09:33 AM

we got some hi res action for this one?

I'm sure there is, but I haven't found it.

H2O MAN

02-25-2010, 08:24 AM

My MK14 SEI with the 18.0", chrome lined standard profile barrel is now lean and mean.
The Micro T-1 sits low and I don't need a cheek riser... no, the irons do not co-witness.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/MK14SEIM118CLjpg_small.jpg (http://www.athenswater.com/images/MK14SEIM118CLjpg.jpg) ~ http://www.athenswater.com/images/MK14SEIM118CL-2_small.jpg (http://www.athenswater.com/images/MK14SEIM118CL-2.jpg) ~ http://www.athenswater.com/images/MK14SEIM118CL-3_small.jpg (http://www.athenswater.com/images/MK14SEIM118CL-3.jpg) ~ http://www.athenswater.com/images/MK14SEIM118CL-1_small.jpg (http://www.athenswater.com/images/MK14SEIM118CL-1.jpg)

Weight:
10 Lbs./12.0 Oz. unloaded.
12 Lbs./ 5.4 Oz. loaded with 20 rounds in a USGI mag.

OAL:
37.0" to 40.25"

I moved the Mark 4 1.5-5x20mm MR/T that was on this rifle pictured
above over to my MK14 SEI Crazy Horse Mod 0 pictured below.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/MK14SEICHMod0-.jpg

Weight:
15 Lbs./2.6 Oz. unloaded.

OAL:
35.0" to 41.0"

H2O MAN

03-23-2010, 05:05 PM

ColinP

03-25-2010, 09:46 PM

Had my Polytech M305 chopped down, shoots very nicely
http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv262/colinpark_photo/firearms/IMG_2977.jpg

My 3 M305 before modding
http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv262/colinpark_photo/firearms/IMG_2471.jpg

Chulo

03-25-2010, 09:58 PM

Look at this rare baby
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=162329216
H&R Undefold auto M-14 Oh yea.. just asking 30K for it

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7888/pix7407609068638988.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/pix7407609068638988.jpg/)
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4342/pix7407612038737874.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/pix7407612038737874.jpg/)

jtv3062

03-25-2010, 10:02 PM

Tagging to read this later

H2O MAN

03-26-2010, 01:24 PM

Walter Mitty MK14

115798 115799

jackehammond

03-28-2010, 03:34 AM

Tacom M14EBR-RI

http://www.armytimes.com/xml/news/2010/03/army_m14_032210w/032210at_mtnwolf168_800.jpgSgt. Casey Liffrig, a squad designated marksman with C Company., 2nd Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, watches the surrounding hills through the optic of an Enhanced Battle Rifle (EBR) during an air assault and clearing mission near Khaki Bandeh in the Pech Valley of Afghanistan, on March 10.

TACOM M14EBRs in Afghanistan (http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/03/army_m14_032210w/)

“It’s a very precise weapon system,” said Spc. Andrew McMeley, a squad designated marksman serving in
Afghanistan with B Company, 2nd Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment. “All the improvements on it are fantastic.”
.

Folks,

Even the US Army has admitted that the ultra-modification of the M-14 shown is more than even they expect at about $3000 a rifle. I read somewhere where someone in the US Army suggested buying the Swiss SG510-4 from the stockpile that Chile now has in storage (they were manufactured in the NATO 7.62mm caliber). It is more harden for combat use than any of the sniper versions of the M-14s offered and even more accurate than even the M-14 and claimed to be the best (although expensive) full powered selective fire rifles ever made. But the "purist" won out and the idea was rejected.

Jack E. Hammond

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Bro Jangles

03-28-2010, 03:52 AM

the US army picked an american classic over second hand foreign rifles? surprise.

H2O MAN

03-28-2010, 08:22 AM

Folks,

I read somewhere where someone in the US Army suggested buying ...

I would like to read that... got a link?
Also, $3000.00 is far less than the cost of a single, not so reliable M110.

From another forum:

As was said, you go to war with what you have. If the M14 modernization program points out something, it's that in a few years, we'll have 5,000+ modernized M14's. We are still using 50 year old + .50 cal MG's, the Army is OK with that.

Modernizing more M14's won't even dent someone's training fuel budget. Integrating them into the existing logistics train is a matter of another crate of ammo. The Army gets more stuff fielded yearly than weapons, it's part of the workload.

H2O MAN

04-13-2010, 09:29 PM

118512

December 18, 2009

This rifle was be presented to Colt Defense President and CEO Lt. Gen.
William. M. Keys, USMC (retired), by Ron Smith, John Bainer, and Jeff Cantrell.

H2O MAN

04-22-2010, 08:16 AM

http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/civilian/SRSS_Gen_3_Mar_2010_R_Cabral_d.jpg

Winter 2009 - U. S. Navy SEALs testing the SRSS
Third Generation BullDog762 conversion at a MOUT facility.

USN SEAL BullFrog on the left, BullDog on the right.

From Different's M1A site.

kinney_bmx

04-22-2010, 10:05 AM

I thought the one that Special Forces had looked sexy, but those..eh

Hopefully they like them, I wonder if all SOCOM units are testing them

khalifah

04-22-2010, 12:17 PM

^ interesting design. (subscribes)

Hammer27

04-22-2010, 01:17 PM

Essentially impossible to operate left handed, awkward magazine changes, and the SCAR is already in use...no thanks, I'll pass on the M-14 bull pup.

H2O MAN

04-22-2010, 01:44 PM

Hammer, are you saying the SCAR-H is already in use?

khalifah

04-22-2010, 02:10 PM

Essentially impossible to operate left handed, awkward magazine changes, and the SCAR is already in use...no thanks, I'll pass on the M-14 bull pup.

im no expert on gun design, but doesnt the AUG/famas have some sort of deflector that keeps the spent casings away from the face?

Im curious to know how this bullpup handles with the 7.62, the last time i checked, that round doesnt fair well with other such rifles, like the Keltec BFR

Hammer27

04-22-2010, 03:38 PM

Hammer, are you saying the SCAR-H is already in use?

Yes. Check out the US SOF and SEALs threads.

Seiran

04-22-2010, 03:42 PM

Essentially impossible to operate left handed, awkward magazine changes, and the SCAR is already in use...no thanks, I'll pass on the M-14 bull pup.

Just curious but, you know this how? Are you a left handed shooter that has handled this weapon system? Are you even a left handed shooter? Because as myself being a left handed shooter, I have absolutely no problems with bullpup designs, or a standard design. Simple fact is, it all comes down to training.

H2O MAN

04-22-2010, 04:13 PM

I am told that the BullFrog will have some sort of deflector and an ambidextrous op rod.

We will see.

Hammer27

04-22-2010, 05:53 PM

Just curious but, you know this how? Are you a left handed shooter that has handled this weapon system? Are you even a left handed shooter? Because as myself being a left handed shooter, I have absolutely no problems with bullpup designs, or a standard design. Simple fact is, it all comes down to training.

I am an ambidextrous shooter but often choose to operate a rifle left handed.
I have not fired this "bulldog" M-14 but I have fired M-14's and their ejection pattern is not conducive to this design. It ejects to what would be the shooters 2-3 o'clock position. If you're standing up straight like the SEAL to the right is, there will probably be minimal issues. If one begins to lean in, in the fighting stance often taught and that is necessary to overcome recoil, you'll be putting your cheek in front of the ejection port.

My last point: No adjustable stock. May not be an issue for the civilian shooter but I've known plenty of guys who never extend the stock on their carbines because of the thickness of body armor.

I'm interested in what bullpup designs you've shot that are conducive to left handed shooters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wtI0UX98Uk

jagermeister

04-22-2010, 09:09 PM

Essentially impossible to operate left handed, awkward magazine changes, and the SCAR is already in use...no thanks, I'll pass on the M-14 bull pup.

No reason to take that thing over a SCAR. Not to mention SCARs already being fielded.

Seiran

04-23-2010, 03:06 AM

I am an ambidextrous shooter but often choose to operate a rifle left handed.
I have not fired this "bulldog" M-14 but I have fired M-14's and their ejection pattern is not conducive to this design. It ejects to what would be the shooters 2-3 o'clock position. If you're standing up straight like the SEAL to the right is, there will probably be minimal issues. If one begins to lean in, in the fighting stance often taught and that is necessary to overcome recoil, you'll be putting your cheek in front of the ejection port.

I haven't fired that particular weapon system either, but I'm fairly certain the designers were smart enough to realize "Hey we might want to make some sort of adjustment to the ejection port" - However I can see your point, and agree with it, because having done the same <Firing an M14 left handed> and catching really hot brass in the face kind of forces that.

My last point: No adjustable stock. May not be an issue for the civilian shooter but I've known plenty of guys who never extend the stock on their carbines because of the thickness of body armor.

Again I agree.

I'm interested in what bullpup designs you've shot that are conducive to left handed shooters.

I had the extreme <Well to me it's an extreme priviledge> to fire one of those $3000 dollar Tavor rifles that were being sold in Canada. Suffice it to say I really really want one now but I don't think I can order one? And I live in California so even if I could I couldn't own one out here.

Hammer27

04-23-2010, 07:42 AM

jaxiu

04-23-2010, 08:00 AM

Fulton armory troy industries mcr.308
http://j.imagehost.org/0037/1267979314760.jpg

jagermeister

04-23-2010, 08:27 AM

jesus that thing is a pig....

H2O MAN

04-23-2010, 08:37 AM

Fulton armory troy industries mcr.308

I love how Fulton tries to make it sound like the TROY M14 MCS is somehow theirs just by renaming it the MCR.
The marketing department at Fulton Armory does this kind of crap all the time... I find it a bit misleading.

Yes, it's a heavy pig.

H2O MAN

04-23-2010, 08:39 AM

Learn to shoot right handed.

Hammer27

04-23-2010, 08:58 PM

Learn to shoot right handed.

What does this apply to?

If this is directed at my post(s) "learn to shoot right handed" is not the answer. Being able to use either hand is not a trick or a hindrance: it is a necessity. It is absolutely required to best use cover in some situations. In an urban enviroment it is needed when going into rooms/turning corners. You will never see an "operator" who knows what they're doing turn right into a hallway using a rifle right handed. It's stupid and will get you killed.

WM12

04-23-2010, 09:48 PM

Fulton armory troy industries mcr.308
http://j.imagehost.org/0037/1267979314760.jpg

Is it just me or does this thing have some resemblance to a SCAR? Whereas before, everybody was making everything like an M4 (M4 furniture, more rails, pistol grips on AKs and M14s and everything else), from this pic it looks like they're trying to mimic a SCAR with this chassis/stock/configuration/abomination. Maybe it will be a new trend in the firearm industry that I can copyright. It shall be called "SCARing" a weapon.

greendzflash

04-23-2010, 09:59 PM

i dont care what the revamp is.

if the A Team can fire that many rounds from everlasting mags and NOT get a hit...why bother?

Seiran

04-24-2010, 04:25 AM

Was this a left handed Tavor (with the optional lefty bolt) or the standard? I don't see the ejection port placement being comfortable for a left handed shooter.

IMO the only bullpup that's alright is the FS2000 as it ejects forward. The issue isn't that the rifle can be operated left handed with modifications or not. We need a rifle that enables a shooter to switch hands rapidly and without issue.

119819

Sorry for not responding earlier, the website was acting really weird. *shrugs* Anyways, it was a stock out of the box Tavor that was set up for a right handed shooter.

And if that's true about the FS2000, that just killed any and all interest I had in owning one. Though I really do like the fact it forward ejects the shells forward. That's a great feature that I'd like to see implemented into more weapon designs.

H2O MAN

04-28-2010, 09:11 AM

In an urban enviroment it is needed when going into rooms/turning corners. You will never see an "operator" who knows what they're doing turn right into a hallway using a rifle right handed. It's stupid and will get you killed.

How many "operators" go into rooms alone?
Are you able to use either hand as you describe with every rifle our military currently uses?

Put the guy(s) with the M4 on point when going into rooms and work as a team.

Also, the BullDog stocks pictured are prototypes and testing should result in changes and upgrades.

Cstafford

04-28-2010, 09:17 AM