Kosovo media war is sppeding up!

[cinoeye]

Lot of people are lobying for both sides.
I see a lot of articles, poping out lately, about Kosovo.
Specialy if you compair with last two very silent years in media regarding Kosovo.
It's very funny what can you find in some of the articles.

Just look at this greatest BS from balanced story bt The Washington Times-
Janusz Bugajski, Kosovo independence advocate.
http://washingtontimes.com/world/20061014-114854-1197r.htm-

..........Holding a similar assessment is Janusz Bugajski, director of the New European Democracies Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, and an independence advocate. "The population of Kosovo is one of the more pro-Western and pro-American populations in the world," he said. "They had volunteers to fight [alongside the United States] in Afghanistan and Iraq, so to say they are [Islamic] fundamentalists is to spread disinformation........."


I would like to ask this gentelman, if he does not see the diffrenence between soliders from the Republic of Albania and Albanians in Serbian Province Of Kosovo!?!?
And KOsovo Albanians do not participate in international operations, since they are not an independent state!

Other BS is that -Kosovo population is one ofe the most pro-Western and pro American in the world!
What bunch of crap!!

If you are lobying for one side, at least try to use the thruth.
But since The Thruth does not work for them, they need to lie all the time!!

[cinoeye]

Well I'm a Serb.
Serb from Kosovo, or may I say Kosovar?
Not all of the Kosovo Albanians are Islamic fundamentalists, but for shure they are big extreme nationalists.
And yes, UN and KFOR soilders know very well about the situation in Serbian province of Kosovo.
It's a disaster, black hole of Europe.
Albanians pro-western?
Only because they expect something to be done for them.
Just wait and see if Kosovo do not get an independence, they will stab them in the back in a second!
Kosovo albanians are so far from European and US values, culture......
That is easy to see thru history and Kosovo Albanian culture, social structure, architecture, religion..........
mr. bugajski is spreding lies and propaganda!

[eugenlitwin]

We have one old Serbp-) and new Albanianp-) on the forum , and one province of Serbia, SOUND LIKE A BOMB:slap: !!

[Zarathustra]

Hopefully serbs will take back their homeland.

[NewsMan]

I just spent time with US troops bound for Kosovo. They're hoping for peace and prepping for war, so don't think the riots of a few years back will not be answered from KFOR this time.

[eugenlitwin]

They're hoping for peace and prepping for war, so don't think the riots of a few years back will not be answered from KFOR this time.

could you tell little bit more about it?

[cinoeye]

you could also say kosovar .
all nations in the balkans are extreme nationalistic . for example in serbia the biggest party is the radikal party of seselj who is indicted for war crimes in bosnia and croatia .
common cinoeye , most albanians are prowestern and have nothin to do with religious fundamentalism and all that crap . albanians are not very religious poeple and dont forget that you have also a strong catholíc albanian comunity in kosovo . albanians are far from europe ? have you ever heard of skanderbeg who was the only leader in the balkans who succesfully fought the turks ? please dont talk bullsh*t . albanians are one of the oldest nations in europe and the balkans .

i think that kosovo becomes an independent state this year and the poeple there deserve it . viva kosovo state :)

Radical party is the biggest in Serba, but they have 0 power.
But that is not important.
What is important is that Serbian Province of Kosovo is one of the unsafest places on the planet, specialy for non-Albanians.
Albanians live in Belgrade, like anyone else, but what do you think it will happend to me if I go now to Kosovo?
Ha?
Are you shure I'll be fine if someone knows I'm Serbian?
I'll be dead!
And even you are mixing Kosovo Albanians and Albanians from Albania.
When it works for you than they are Kosovars, and when not they are Albanians.
Albanians in Kosovo and Albanians in Albania-two different stories.
What does the Scender-Beg have to do with Kosovo and Albanians there?
Everyone who had a chance to visit Serbian Province Kosovo have a feeling being in the middle east.
Crime, coruption, garbage......
Come on, lets here from some "independent" people here, who serviced in the province.
As I said earlyer, they are not pro-western in their actions, social structure(Kosovo Albanians still have tribe organisation), way of life.
You realy well know that this situation will not last forever, whatever desition comes.
You are supporting extremists, separatists and their dirty plans, witch BTW do not have any historical justificatins, they are against inetrnational laws....

[cinoeye]

O yea, you have crime everywhere.
But situation in Serbian Province of Kosovo is realy disasteriuos.
So they will fight the crime after they get independence?
You are funny!
2/3 of heroin that enetrs in EU, goes via Kosovo.

95% of the population wants independence?
What population?(Not to go why are demographics like that)
Kosovo is not a republic, but a region.
Since when, the only reason to give someone independence is population number?
At least that did not worked in x-yu republics.
Yes there is a chance for Serbian Province of Kosovo can get independence.
But then just wait and see after effects, localy and world wide.

[NewsMan]

could you tell little bit more about it?

Not too much for Op Sec purposes. However I will say that the March riots caught KFOR off balance. They admit it and are making strides to prevent such issues in the future.

[AK-Lover]

Guy's just take a look at Barbarossas last 9 posts and you will see their is no need to take him seriously.

Now coming back to the subject at hand, I think Serbia has finally realized the importance of having friends in Washington something, unfortunately for us, the Albanians realized a long time ago.

[AK-Lover]

Not too much for Op Sec purposes. However I will say that the March riots caught KFOR off balance. They admit it and are making strides to prevent such issues in the future.
It was more of a Pogrom than riots.

[cinoeye]

yeaah serbian propaganda works very well !!!
cinoeye , serbs comitted horrible war crimes in bosnia and get their own republika srpska who never exists before in history .
albanians were the majority in kosovo long before the yugoslav state was created . in yugoslavia kosovo was an autonous region with its own constitution ( republic like status ) . milosevic broked the yugoslav constitution and takes away the autonomy ( that was the reason for the secession of yugoslavia ) .
then the war happened , ethnic cleansing , killing , rapping and so on . and now the politicians in belgrade think they can give the kosovars the same autonomy back that they have taked before violently ? you are funny . kosovars want the same rights like the croats , bosniaks , serbs and montenegrins . they want nothing else than full independence and they will get it . im sure of that , listen to all the experts what they say about that . wake up buddy , the truth hurts sometimes :hug:

Can you justify crime comited at one time, because crime happend before?
Repubic of Srpska is not an independent state, but integral part of Bosnia and Hercegovina.
Serbs where slaughterd during the ww2 by the Croatians.
Do they have an independence in Croatia?
No!
Plus, 250 000 Serbs where forced from Croatia.
Did you support Serbs in Croatia?
THey did exacly what Albanians in Kosovo did!

Croatia did exacly what Serba did in 1999.
But Croatia was allowed to do that, and Serbia was punished!

Kosovo, never a state, never a republic, always part of Serbia, when not occupied by the Ottomans.
Part of nazi Greater Albania during the www2.
Middle ages?
Albania did not existed at that time.
Anyone can feel free to look at the history books, anywhere.
What will they see?
Kosovo was heart of Serbian land and evry historian will confim that.

Who started war?
Who started killings, kidnaping, rape, terrorist attaks?
Is that your only argument?!?!

Do you think that it's normal for Albanians to have two states, one next to each other?!?!?
Why? Just becuse you are a majority in one territory?!?!
If you want Albanian state, go to Albania!!!
DO not play with that Kosovar game!
Tehy call them selfs Albanians and they use Republic of Albania flag in Kosovo!

Why did we have Albanian uprase in Macedonia?
Because Albanians want to create Great Albania, and they will do everything to creat it.
They will lie, kill cheat, pretend they are the victims.....just to realise they dirty dream.

[AK-Lover]

I mean the bottom line is what? we have a majority so we can have independance no matter what and if you don't give it to us....WTF kind of argument is that?

[127th Knights]

cinoeye you can go to kosovo and believe me nothin will happen to you . you have now thousands of serbs living in and around prishtina . you listen to much to serbian media and their propaganda . of course when you are a member of a paramilitary group who comited war crimes , massacres and rapping in kosovo then you will be killed thats for sure .
but the same could happen to you in bosnia or croatia where serb forces and paramilitary units comited the worst war crimes against humanity since world war two . but albanians dont kill or beat you for the only reason that you are a serb . thats not true .
and the albanians in beograd live freely because they did not do the things that serbs did to us in kosovo ! the serbian poeple have to free their mind from all the nationalistic garbage who brings them back to stoneage . serbia today is black hole in europe .

There are 13 registered Serbs in Pristina buddy. They're registered and guarded in the same complex so that its easier for the british troops to maintain security for them. It'd be pretty bad press if you let them die now wouldn't it.

[cinoeye]

I mean the bottom line is what? we have a majority so we can have independance no matter what and if you don't give it to us....WTF kind of argument is that?

No, they have two arguments-
1.They have majority of population in one region;
2.Serbian forces comitted crimes against them.

And is all.

[cinoeye]

There are 13 registered Serbs in Pristina buddy. They're registered and guarded in the same complex so that its easier for the british troops to maintain security for them. It'd be pretty bad press if you let them die now wouldn't it.
And there are 20 000 albanians, just in Belgrade.
Now all think about it!

[NewsMan]

It was more of a Pogrom than riots.

Is this the same as a "rampage"?

[AK-Lover]

Is this the same as a "rampage"?
Rampage with purpose to force out one ethnic group and destroy any chance of them returning.

[Hyllus]

I read most of the convos here anyway ... when I read this


What is important is that Serbian Province of Kosovo is one of the unsafest places on the planet, specialy for non-Albanians.

LMAoooo how can you say that if you haven't even been there or checked every single place in the world? Have you heard about Iraq? Afghanistan? N.K? Iran? Suburbs of Rio? If you say that for Kosova you have to say it for Serbia too. I don't think I will be welcomed in Serbia really. Last summer I was in Montenegro and they had this ice-cream shop whatever with this Serbian flag. So I was wearing my golden eagle on my neck and go up to them talking in English. Tell them can I have an ice cream, they saw me and the guy was like NO, and he started yelling in a wierd language (Serbian I guess) I heard him say Siptari at least 2 times. Meanwhile 3 French tourists before me who were also speaking English got their ice-creams. Not that this matters but I just had to relate it. Being abused is not just getting beat up, sometimes is when people alienate you and I don't think that's the case in Kosova. Serbians there alienate themselves, because they listen to all the crap Belgrade tells them to do.

[AK-Lover]

I read most of the convos here anyway ... when I read this

LMAoooo how can you say that if you haven't even been there or checked every single place in the world? Have you heard about Iraq? Afghanistan? N.K? Iran? Suburbs of Rio? If you say that for Kosova you have to say it for Serbia too. I don't think I will be welcomed in Serbia really. Last summer I was in Montenegro and they had this ice-cream shop whatever with this Serbian flag. So I was wearing my golden eagle on my neck and go up to them talking in English. Tell them can I have an ice cream, they saw me and the guy was like NO, and he started yelling in a wierd language (Serbian I guess) I heard him say Siptari at least 2 times. Meanwhile 3 French tourists before me who were also speaking English got their ice-creams. Not that this matters but I just had to relate it. Being abused is not just getting beat up, sometimes is when people alienate you and I don't think that's the case in Kosova. Serbians there alienate themselves, because they listen to all the crap Belgrade tells them to do.
Yes and I visited Tirana last summer and when I walked into an ice cream shop wearing my Serbian tri-colour t-shirt and when I asked for some ice cream in english the guy behind the counter looked up and started shouting in some weird language (albanian i guess) Meanwhile two british tourists that came after me got ice cream and then I was sad because they got ice cream and I didn't.

[Hyllus]

I didn't quite get the point of that. If you have nothing smart to say just shut up.

[AK-Lover]

I didn't quite get the point of that. If you have nothing smart to say just shut up.

The point was quite clear. YOU are making up BS stories to cover for having nothing smart to say so YOU shut up.

Sadly I have lowered my self to your level but you're pissing me off with your lying and provocations.

[Apathy]

Why is Kosovo a holy ground?

[AK-Lover]

Why is Kosovo a holy ground?
http://www.savekosovo.org/

[AK-Lover]

Actually here is site which gives good in depth look at how Serbian identity and Kosovo and Metohija are connected.
http://www.kosovo.net/default3.html

[AK-Lover]

http://www.kosovo.net/manastiri.jpg

Serbian Monasteries in Kosovo, sadly most of these very old and beatiful places have been torched and desecrated

[Zeev]

what a SHAME for the west.... :cantbeli:

the agression of serbia was a total and dramatic mistake....

[AK-Lover]

The Monastery of the Holy Trinity was built in the 14th century on the Rusinica hill above Musutiste, 2 km to the south. In the valuable collection of manuscripts from 14 th to 18 th century there were a Book of Commemoration from 1465 and a hand-written Gospel from the 14 th century. The monastery also had a collection of icons from the 19th century -- 1868-1985.

http://www.rastko.org.yu/kosovo/crucified/churches/photos/ch01_a.jpg
http://www.rastko.org.yu/kosovo/crucified/churches/photos/ch01_b.jpg
http://www.rastko.org.yu/kosovo/crucified/churches/photos/ch01_c.jpg
http://www.rastko.org.yu/kosovo/crucified/churches/photos/ch01_d.jpg
http://www.rastko.org.yu/kosovo/crucified/churches/photos/ch01_f.jpg

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In the second half of June 1999, after the German KFOR troops deployed in the area, Albanian extremists vandalized this holy place and plundered the valuables. Between 10th and 17th July they dynamited the monastery church so that it is now completely destroyed. The monastery konak (residential quarters) was previously burned to the ground. The valuable library, and its icons, disappeared in the flames and wreckage. The church was obviously destroyed by explosive used by experts with military training.

[Hyllus]

ummm what's up withthe cheesy websites of yours? oh now you're showing pics? oh so you want to play the pics game? ok i'll give you a video so you can remember what happened in 1999 and what your government did to my people ...

*** WARNING GRAPHIC **** http://www.kosovaevidence.com/

[AK-Lover]

Zociste Monastery before the destruction
http://www.kosovo.net/zochiste.jpg

Scenes of destruction
http://www.kosovo.net/zociste0.jpg
http://www.kosovo.net/zociste01.jpg

Desecrated tombs this has been happening since the 1980's:
http://www.kosovo.net/zociste02.jpg

http://www.kosovo.net/skm486.jpg
http://www.kosovo.net/skm488.jpg
http://www.kosovo.net/skm489.jpg

[AK-Lover]

Albanian Desecration of tombstones in Kosovo:
http://www.serbianna.com/video/010.ram

[Hyllus]

I dont think you understand what lead to that destruction, and I also don't understand how you ****ty stones count more than the lives of 10000 people... I guess that's whats more valuable in Serbia....

[AK-Lover]

Slain Kosovo Serbs buried in Belgrade

October 14, 2006 9:25 AM

PRISTINA, Serbia-More than two dozen Serbs civilians, including women and children found in a mass grave in Kosovo, were laid to rest in Belgrade on Saturday after their remains were handed over to relatives.



Serbs mourn their loved ones slain by Kosovo Muslims


The 29 bodies, including an 11-member Serb family executed by Muslim Albanian separatists during the 1998-99 Kosovo war, were identified through DNA analysis and handed over Friday by U.N. authorities from the southern province.

A few hundred people attended the funeral at the cemetery on the outskirts of the Serbian capital, mostly the victims' relatives, but also families of some of the 670 Serbs still missing from the conflict. All the missing are believed to have been slain by the Kosovo Muslims.

Government official Sanda Raskovic-Ivic called for punishment of all who committed crimes during the war in the contested province, whose future status is currently being negotiated.

However, the police force in Kosovo has not arrested anyone for the murders of Serbs yet while scores of Serb military men have been handed over to the war crimes court in the Hague.

In addition, 212 Serbs have been exhumed in Kosovo and reburied outside the province, mostly in Serbian cities where their surviving family members fled after the war. Burial sites of Christian Serbs are routinely desecrated by Muslims in Kosovo.

More than 2,000 people remain unaccounted for in what remains one of the most sensitive and emotionally charged issues between the two former foes.

Kosovo is part of Serbia and has been ran under U.N. administration since mid-1999, when NATO's air war halted Serb forces' crackdown on independence-seeking ethnic Albanians.

Since 1999, Muslim Albanians have violently expelled over 200,000 Christians out of the province in hopes to make a religiously pure Muslim state and force Serbia to grant them independence.

[AK-Lover]

Murders of Christian Children in Kosovo:
http://www.serbianna.com/video/006.ram

Destruction of Devic Monastery:
http://www.serbianna.com/video/001.wmv

[AK-Lover]

Burnt Holy Icons in Mitrovica:
http://www.kosovo.net/mitchurch.jpg

Kosovo Albanians beating non-Albanian male in Pristina 2000:
http://www.kosovo.net/streetvio3.jpg
http://www.kosovo.net/streetvio5.jpg

[AK-Lover]

Elderly Serbs executed by Albanians given a proper burial:
http://www.kosovo.net/default2.html
http://www.kosovo.net/default2.html
http://www.kosovo.net/206.jpg
http://www.kosovo.net/174.jpg
http://www.kosovo.net/243.jpg
http://www.kosovo.net/10.jpg
http://www.kosovo.net/11.jpg

Warning graphic pics!

[AK-Lover]

Serb Woman Leaving Prizren in fear after being attacked by Albanians:
http://www.kosovo.net/kos8.jpg

http://www.kosovo.net/sahrana%20.jpg
Widow's of massacred farmers in Gracko

Rest of pics (Warning Graphic!)
http://www.kosovo.net/default2.html

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

ummm what's up withthe cheesy websites of yours? oh now you're showing pics? oh so you want to play the pics game? ok i'll give you a video so you can remember what happened in 1999 and what your government did to my people ...

*** WARNING GRAPHIC **** http://www.kosovaevidence.com/

it seems your people did a good job on those Churches as well...now i understand why all of the wars...now how is what albanians are doing any better than all of the ethnic cleansing that took place (on both sides i might add)...?

[AK-Lover]

Two Serbs children killed in 2004 after being machinegunned by Albanian's while swimming in the river"
http://www.kosovo.net/goraz05.jpg
childrens' clothes and bycicles remained on the river bank
after the massacre

http://www.kosovo.net/goraz03.jpg
blood of Ivan Jovic (19) who was killed at the spot by Albanian terrorists

http://www.kosovo.net/goraz06.jpg
Scene of the crime against Serb children on the Bistrica River.
Terrorists opened fire on the swimming children from the opposite bank.
Children's clothing, bicycles and other articles remain strewn nearby

http://www.kosovo.net/goraz02.jpg
Murdered Ivan Jovic (age 19)

http://www.kosovo.net/goraz07.jpg
Murdered Panto Dakic (age 10)

RIP

[AK-Lover]

Unfortunately the real truth as to what happened in Kosovo and Metohija and what is happening NOW, TODAY, is only beggining to surface after 7 years from the end of that tragic conflict. And also quite unfortunately their is still people who are willing to work to discredit the Serbian victims and minimize and even justify the crimes perpetrated against them. It has taken recent tragic events around the world to clear people's minds of the lies and propaganda created during the 1990's. Hopefully more people will realize what kind of genocide and destruction of a whole people, culture and history is happening in Kosovo and Metohija.

[Hyllus]

Nobody is discrediting anybody ... If you kill 10000 people and ethnically cleanse almost 1 million what the hell do you expect? You expect flowers back or do we have to thank you, and the reason why those churches (who nobody uses anyway) were burnt was that they are being used by Serbia as a way to say look "we put some stones together over there, so it means that its our land." With this I am not justifying what the Albanians did in 2001 AT ALL, and I think it was totally stupid and totally wrong. However there's always a reason why something happens.

[AK-Lover]

Nobody is discrediting anybody ... If you kill 10000 people and ethnically cleanse almost 1 million what the hell do you expect? You expect flowers back or do we have to thank you, and the reason why those churches (who nobody uses anyway) were burnt was that they are being used by Serbia as a way to say look "we put some stones together over there, so it means that its our land." With this I am not justifying what the Albanians did in 2001 AT ALL, and I think it was totally stupid and totally wrong. However there's always a reason why something happens.
Ok so by your ****ed up thinking, it was okay for us to then kill the supposed 10,000 Albanians because most weren't citizens of the FRY and also they were being used as in the argument we have a majority so it is our land.
Yeah, okay. You've got some serious problems.

[Bullterrier]

I dont think you understand what lead to that destruction, and I also don't understand how you ****ty stones count more than the lives of 10000 people... I guess that's whats more valuable in Serbia....

Fist you said your icecream story, now you talk about 10 000 killed people!?!?
Can you please give us any valid source of your claim?
You know some people talked about 250 000 people killed, but ofcourse that was never confiremed.

I do not want to go in to the body counting, but just for the future of this conversation, post here source of your body count!

And if you are justifying Albanian crimes with what Serbs did before that, can you than justify that with what you did during the ww2 and ww1 and during the communist regime after the ww2?
Than, you can do that with Bosnia and Kosovo.
Hey 40 000 people died, is that a match for more than 800 000 Serbs and Jews killed by Croatian, Muslim and Albanian nazis?

You are your own worst enemy.
And if this is not sad it will be funniest thing for anyone who read this-
...and the reason why those churches (who nobody uses anyway) were burnt was that they are being used by Serbia as a way to say look "we put some stones together over there, so it means that its our land."
You see those churches where bulid in 12th,13th,14th..century to worship our Lord Jesus Christ.
FOr you, those are just a stones, that after you destory Churches, you bulid stabels and barns for your animals, and in some cases to bulid mosks.(like Sinan-Pashas mosk in Prizren!)
Those tums stones where there to mark burial places.
And ofcourse those monuments are also proof of our existence in the province of Kosovo.
That's why it bothers you, because you do not have any single monument to back up your claims.
You have remains of some Greek monuments, but most of them are Serbian and some Ottoman.

You simply want to wipe out not ery single living Serb, but even a dead ones and everything we bulid and not even a middleage churches are safe from peacefull, gentile, pro-western Albanians.

And why are you so interested in Serbian Province of Kosovo, because you are from Albania, right?

[LaoSexMachine]

The only time the Balkans make the news in America is when yall kill each other. Hell, even the Crips and Bloods had a truce.

[Hyllus]

I do not want to go in to the body counting, but just for the future of this conversation, post here source of your body count!
Well thanks to Belgrade which is still holding bodies in freezers and sending 100 or so every two months just not to be noticed by the media nobody knows how many were killed, but considering the number of the lost, the number may be even more than 10000.


You see those churches where bulid in 12th,13th,14th.
Oh yes, Im sure they were. Maybe even before that time. Maybe in the 10th century BC (oh I forgot Jesus wasnt around at that time) You guys are full of sh*t.


And ofcourse those monuments are also proof of our existence in the province of Kosovo.
That's why it bothers you, because you do not have any single monument to back up your claims.
That's because we, unlike you extremists do not base everything in our life in churches and useless stones. We did not have a religion so there was nothing to build except the Kullas(which are in thousands) where people used to live (which most of them are still there, even though they were burned several times by Serbs and Ottomans). What would Albanians built? Mosques? For what? Churches for what?



Serbian Province of Kosovo

Because 95% of the population is Albanian and it was our land before the barbarian tribes came there in 6th century. Beat that!

[Sneeker]

Are you people fighting over things that happened thousands of years ago?

[RSKKnin]

well just wait couple more months and u will see that kosovo will never get independence and if it does and Serbian government accepts is (which will never happen) the **** will start in both Serbia and Bosnia!!!
however this time there wont be milosevic too **** up things again and thank God Russia will hopfully start supporting us!!!

another scenario is if Kosovo doesnt get independence Albanians will start attacking Kfore and UN which will cause western nation to shift their support to Serbia....

[Apathy]

Because 95% of the population is Albanian and it was our land before the barbarian tribes came there in 6th century. Beat that!

Rome conquered the area in 28BC. I demand the immediate removal of all Albanians/Serbians from Kosovo and the return of the area to it's proper owner, Italy.

[Hyllus]

Rome conquered the area in 28BC. I demand the immediate removal of all Albanians/Serbians from Kosovo and the return of the area to it's proper owner, Italy.

And before that it was still Illyrian. We are the natives. We were always the natives.

[Sneeker]

I think you people should concentrate on more important things.

...

Like Peace.
Whats wrong with having a multi cultural society?

[Hyllus]

Whats wrong with having a multi cultural society?

Well, tell that to the Serbs. They're not used to that word.

[Sneeker]

Well it has to start somwhere. Might as well be you. Im sure the world will be behind you stick with peace.

[Sneeker]

Or you can say **** it and go to war. Mabey this time the international comunity wont give 2 ****s and let your hole duke it out. I know Ill be watching CNN day and night with pop corn stuffed in my face.

[LaoSexMachine]

Or you can say **** it and go to war. Mabey this time the international comunity wont give 2 ****s and let your hole duke it out. I know Ill be watching CNN day and night with pop corn stuffed in my face.

x2. Let them bleed each other till they realise how stupid it is.

[Sneeker]

All I know is that I pay more taxes in my beautiful country so that we can send our young and brave to keep breaking "Ethnic" bs up. Im getting pritty sick and tired of it.

Im also getting pritty sick of all these videos and propiganda from all, what is it 20 sides over there.

SORT YOUR ****ING **** OUT!!!

[127th Knights]

Are you people fighting over things that happened thousands of years ago?

No...we're fighting over something that happened at the creation of the Prizren League in 1878. We actually fought together 617 years ago against Turkey at the Battle of Kosovo...but then the Albanians sold out, converted, and proceeded to persecute us from 1456-1912. That's what we're fighting over.

[127th Knights]

The most unbiased and just FACTUAL WEBSITE that I've found was created by the Western European version of the Woodrow Wilson Foundation. It's a think tank that specializes in Eastern European affairs.

WWW.KOSOVOCOMPROMISE.COM

[Sneeker]

Thank you i will read up.

So your saying that you stopped being prosecuted just under 100 years ago.

[AK-Lover]

Or you can say **** it and go to war. Mabey this time the international comunity wont give 2 ****s and let your hole duke it out. I know Ill be watching CNN day and night with pop corn stuffed in my face.
We have absolutely no problem with that, give Serbian Army and MUP Kosovo and Metohija back and everything will be settled within a month.

[Apathy]

We have absolutely no problem with that, give Serbian Army and MUP Kosovo and Metohija back and everything will be settled within a month.

What will they do? Kick the Albanians out?

[Sneeker]

Im not the UN.
Im just tired of all this crap.

[Hyllus]

What will they do? Kick the Albanians out?

LOL ... Let em try

[Sneeker]

....
you just dont get it.
None of you get it.

[Apathy]

LOL ... Let em try

*shrug* Ok.





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[Sneeker]

I thought Yugoslavia crap was banned from this site?

[Hyllus]

I thought Yugoslavia crap was banned from this site?
Well sometimes you want a little bit of discussion going on, don't you?p-) That's why this is a forum.

[NewsMan]

Rampage with purpose to force out one ethnic group and destroy any chance of them returning.

Ahhh... ethnic cleasing.

[127th Knights]

some would call the pogrom genocide...ethnic cleansing is giving them a chance to voluntarily leaving. Not to much of that voluntary sh*t going on...

[AK-Lover]

some would call the pogrom genocide...ethnic cleansing is giving them a chance to voluntarily leaving. Not to much of that voluntary sh*t going on...

Well considering their is no practically no Serbs left in Kosovo I think we can see who actually did the ethnic cleansing.

As for Hyllus, his hatred of Serbs is evident, he has no respect for our church, no respect for the dead, and he is inclined to evermore ridicuolus statements and self-contradictions.

[AK-Lover]

LOL ... Let em try
And what would you do about? Maybe the UCK terrorists would kick our ass like they did in 1999? Come on kid grow up, start living in a world where real debates are supposed to be carried out with facts. A world where in reality NATO wouldn't have given a **** for the plight of "your people" or their little "independance" movement if they had nothing to gain from helping you.

[127th Knights]

And what would you do about? Maybe the UCK terrorists would kick our ass like they did in 1999? Come on kid grow up, start living in a world where real debates are supposed to be carried out with facts. A world where in reality NATO wouldn't have given a **** for the plight of "your people" or their little "independance" movement if they had nothing to gain from helping you.

Thankfully they have absolutely nothing to gain as a general whole by helping them again. Oh, britain and france do...but not the rest of NATO. Britain would like to show its domestic muslims that they're "pro-muslim" while making them take their veils off at the same time and France would love to have another blackhole to send its extremist muslims to.

[AK-Lover]

Thankfully they have absolutely nothing to gain as a general whole by helping them again. Oh, britain and france do...but not the rest of NATO. Britain would like to show its domestic muslims that they're "pro-muslim" while making them take their veils off at the same time and France would love to have another blackhole to send its extremist muslims to.

The US just want's to get the hell out of their. 1700 troops and a big base drains quite a bit of resources from more important things beleive it or not. Things like Iraq and Afghanistan were boots on the ground are vital.

[127th Knights]

oh yeah...I mean...the US has got those bases being built in bulgaria anyway. Bulgaria is a closer to the war on terror than Bondsteel.

[Hyllus]

And what would you do about? Maybe the UCK terrorists would kick our ass like they did in 1999? Come on kid grow up, start living in a world where real debates are supposed to be carried out with facts. A world where in reality NATO wouldn't have given a **** for the plight of "your people" or their little "independance" movement if they had nothing to gain from helping you.

LOL who said KLA? You forgot about the lovely KFOR!!!:)

[AK-Lover]

LOL who said KLA? You forgot about the lovely KFOR!!!:)

My mistake, I was thinking the Albanians were gonna fight for themselves. ;)

[Hyllus]

My mistake, I was thinking the Albanians were gonna fight for themselves. ;)
Nah we can't we're too scared of the great serbs. p-) SERBIA STRONGGG !!111!!!!!1111

[AK-Lover]

Nah we can't we're too scared of the great serbs. p-) SERBIA STRONGGG !!111!!!!!1111

Indeed! ;)

Now my friends I think this thread has run it's course, I think it would be wise for all of us to let it die before James or Warpig come in with the ban stick swinging. We also wouldn't like a carpet ban on balkan threads again now would we?

[Hyllus]

Yeah dude ... Long Life to the Blakans :)

Peace out!!!

[127th Knights]

later guys...it was fun...

[cinoeye]

Well, tell that to the Serbs. They're not used to that word.
You are realy rude, disrespectfull, ironic....
You see, some of those churches are even the UN cultural protection.

And they are bulit even before 12th century.
No reason to ironic about it.
Where are the Albanian monuments?
I see only Serbian and Tirkish monumets in Kosovo.
And everyone knows why is that.

You are approving destroying of tumb stones, Churches.... because they are just a pile of stones made with a goal to say-here we serbs are here!?!?
Very cheap and inmature, acctualy retarded.

[Bullterrier]

Lets talk about now!

A side from the fact that KOSOVO was ALWAYS PART OF SERBIA for the last 10 centuries, unless it was occupied by the Ottomans!
Kosovo was never an independent state, and never a part of official legitimate Albanian state. (part of nazi fashist Albania-1941-1945.)

Any new state in former YU-unless they where Republics?
NO!

Lot os Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia.
Did they gat an independence?
NO! They where even punished.

Croatians in Bosnia di not get anything too!

THe world policy in the Balkans was-NO NEW BORDERS!

No only rude Albanians whant to be excluded from that policy!
They already have Albania, but they whant now part of Serbian territory!

Since when and where did the population of one territory gave independence for that territory?
No example in X-Yu, neither in Europe.

And there is no republic in e-xy with more multi-cultural society than Serbia, even if you compare on a world lavel.
Serb. 62.6%, Albanian 16.5%, Montenegrin 5%, Hungarian 3.3%, other
12.6%
(including- Romanians, Greek, Slovaks, Rusins, Turks, Roma, Bunjevci, Ruthenians, Macedonians ,Bulgarians,Germans Ukrainians , Slovenians, Germans, Poles, Chinese,Italian, ....... etc).

[Bullterrier]

SOme maps-

http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Italian_Studies/dweb/images/maps/decworld/se_europe_1340.jpg
http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Italian_Studies/dweb/images/maps/decworld/1360Europe.jpg
http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Italian_Studies/dweb/images/maps/decworld/se_europe_1354-1358.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/myww1summary/ww1images/europe1914.gif
http://astro.temple.edu/~barbday/Europe66/resources/images/Axis19412.jpg

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/cen_balkan_ref802638_1999.jpg

[SrB-23Q]

Some1 close this thread i had enough of this crap...plz no more historical threads from da Balkans we all know wat happnes

[eugenlitwin]

LOL ... Let em try

O man you are bull****ig right new, with out NATO forces behind “great Albania coalition” would loos against Serbs 10 out of 10. I guess Estonia can win against “great Albania coalition” as well. You guys just totally unorganised nation. I was in Albania couple of years ago.

[Bullterrier]

http://www.donaldstark.co.uk/photos/shkoder/020814e.JPG

time for carnival! http://www.stormfront.org/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

http://www.filiphorvat.com/media/alba01.jpg
http://www.filiphorvat.com/media/alba03.jpg
http://www.filiphorvat.com/media/ly01.jpg
http://tinypic.com/5a4biq
http://www.galen-frysinger.com/albania/permet03.jpg



http://www.galen-frysinger.com/graphics/macedonia5.jpg
http://www.galen-frysinger.com/graphics/macedonia7.jpg
http://www.galen-frysinger.com/graphics/macedonia8.jpg
http://www.galen-frysinger.com/graphics/macedonia9.jpg
http://www.galen-frysinger.com/graphics/macdonia9a.jpg
http://www.galen-frysinger.com/graphics/macedonia6.jpg


http://tinypic.com/5a4xo7

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

yes bullterrier from those pictures serbia would have no chance in a one on one with albania...

[Hyllus]

lol why are you guys showing pics of Albania in 1990s?
Just a little update for you ... Now its 2006...

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Tirana_City.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Parku_Rinia.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/The_Clock_Tower.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Palmat.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Red_and_Green.jpg

Look at all these muslim extremists rofl

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Diesel_Club.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Coli_s.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Bar_Cafe_Flex.jpg


http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Kryqezimi_21_Dhjetori.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Goverment_Buildings.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Blloku.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Pemet_ne_Park.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Rruga_Myslym_Shyri.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Dusk_in_Tirana.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Nga_Sky_Tower.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Tek_21_shi.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Shatervani.jpg

ummm churches???? Yeah for those who dont know more that 30% of the population is Christian...
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Kisha_e_Zemres_se_Krishtit.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Kisha_Ortodokse.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Qendra_Tajvan.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Tirana.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Kulla_e_Sahatit.jpg

http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Best_view_of_Tirana.jpg

Get a life now!!!

[dobrodan]

LOL who said KLA? You forgot about the lovely KFOR!!!:)

Oh really...

If you want to fight, you better do the fighting yourself...

I spent 6 months in Kosovo, mainly looking after Serbs and Serbian property, protecting them from Albanian aggression.

[Hyllus]

If you want to fight, you better do the fighting yourself...

But we can't since we're UNDER the PROTECTION of KFOR. What part of this don't you get?

[dobrodan]

But we can't since we're UNDER the PROTECTION of KFOR. What part of this don't you get?

Thats not my problem... If you want to pick a fight, you better be prepared to fight your own battles...

[zg18]

And there is no republic in e-xy with more multi-cultural society than Serbia, even if you compare on a world lavel.
Serb. 62.6%, Albanian 16.5%, Montenegrin 5%, Hungarian 3.3%, other
12.6%
(including- Romanians, Greek, Slovaks, Rusins, Turks, Roma, Bunjevci, Ruthenians, Macedonians ,Bulgarians,Germans Ukrainians , Slovenians, Germans, Poles, Chinese,Italian, ....... etc).

Pozdrav!!!

You posted SCG info on ethnic numbers,in Republic of Serbia Serbs make up 66% with Kosovo and around 82% without Kosovo.

I belive that Kosovo will be independant but Kosovo Albanians won`t have total rule over Kosovo ,IC (UN,NATO) will be Kosovo watchdogs and will have key role in Kosovo democratization and inplementation of European standards in minority protection,Kosovo Serbs must have local autonomy,full protection of cultural heritage,open contacts with Belgrade and they must not be a Kosovo national minority but a constitutional nation in Kosovo with 1300 years of tradition living in these parts of Europe.

[eugenlitwin]

[quote=Hyllus;2005979]lol why are you guys showing pics of Albania in 1990s?
Just a little update for you ... Now its 2006...





















http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album04/Goverment_Buildings.jpg







is it only Tirana? Am i correctp-) ?
Second
it is art :) Pictures, Photoshop light etc.

[Hyllus]

If you want to pick a fight, you better be prepared to fight your own battles...
Who said that Albanians want to fight? We never started a war in our hisotry. I said if they want to fight, they can come..... and fight KFOR .... p-)

[Hyllus]

Yeah smartass its tirana... and its called professional photography not photoshop... photoshop is what lowlifes that have free time do ...

[VanZorich]

The most modern sewage system known to man.

You can see here how centuryes of Shiptar knowledge and extremly high evolved culture have accumulated in this "Super Extra DeLuxe Hi-Tech Open Air Sewage System Design", which runs through the streets of proud modern city of Dures, Albania.

Note how cleverly it is combined with city electric and water suply system.

[VanZorich]

Wonders of modern Shiptar architecture:

Utilysing enemy tehnology:

Note how cleverly are those car doors (from Serbian Zastava 101 model BTW) inserted in to the wall.

Amasing !

[VanZorich]

Somehow is this picture of streets of Tirana in wast contrast with
those posted above. I wonder if it is photoshoped, hmmmm ?
(note lack of concrete or/and asphalt)

[Bullterrier]

Hey, what does Tirana in Albania have with Kosovo?
;)
I posted pictures from Kosovo too, not just Albania!

[127th Knights]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH...Don't worry...if they had it their way, the new capital of Albania will end up being Pristina, Skopje, or Podgorica...Thankfully the Albanians can't decide which one the want to be their new capital yet.... ;-)

I love how a bunch of photoshopped postcards of the absolute best areas of an impoverished country still look like the ghetto here in Indianapolis...

[NewsMan]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH...Don't worry...if they had it their way, the new capital of Albania will end up being Pristina, Skopje, or Podgorica...Thankfully the Albanians can't decide which one the want to be their new capital yet.... ;-)

I love how a bunch of photoshopped postcards of the absolute best areas of an impoverished country still look like the ghetto here in Indianapolis...

C'mon now... I used to live at 12th & Keystone (in the Arsenal) and the pics here look much nicer!

[Hyllus]

You guys are so retarded. You can talk all you want, but you don't realizes that you're just talking out of your ass, because none of you has ever been to Albanian and seen how it really is. lol you live in the ghettos of Indianapolis???? Why dont you live in the most beautiful and greatest country in the world called Serbia?

[Apathy]

And before that it was still Illyrian. We are the natives. We were always the natives.

Do you support Israel?

[AK-Lover]

Guy's just stop feeding the troll.

[Hyllus]

Do you support Israel?
I don't see how that has anything to do with the topic. Support Israel like how? If you're talking about the relations between the Israeli and the Albanian government, they're preety good. There was always a strong tie between Albanians and Jews, that's why Albanian was one of the few countries in Europe that after WWII had more Jews than when the war started, and they were the only ones not to give up lists of Jews, unlike every other country invaded by Germany. That's the main reason why the Albanian lobby and the Jewish one in US are really close.

[Apathy]

I don't see how that has anything to do with the topic. Support Israel like how? If you're talking about the relations between the Israeli and the Albanian government, they're preety good. There was always a strong tie between Albanians and Jews, that's why Albanian was one of the few countries in Europe that after WWII had more Jews than when the war started, and they were the only ones not to give up lists of Jews, unlike every other country invaded by Germany. That's the main reason why the Albanian lobby and the Jewish one in US are really close.

*cough*Denmark*cough*

[Hyllus]

That's why I said "ONE of the FEW" you should pay more attention when you read...

[AK-Lover]

Thats why it was also one of the few which raised an SS division.

[Hyllus]

Thats why it was also one of the few which raised an SS division.

LOL In Albania there were only Partizans and Ballists there was no SS. Maybe in Kosova, but not in Albania. Plus there were SS divisions in almost every coutnry that was invaded by Germany, and they only reason Serbia didnt have one was because they were Chetniks, which were way worse than any SS division.

[AK-Lover]

LOL In Albania there were only Partizans and Ballists there was no SS. Maybe in Kosova, but not in Albania. Plus there were SS divisions in almost every coutnry that was invaded by Germany, and they only reason Serbia didnt have one was because they were Chetniks, which were way worse than any SS division.

Ok I see. Thats why the Chetnik leader Draza Mihailovic received a medal from the American Veterans Association for his Chetniks rescuing downed American airmen from the Germans and the Croats, even at the expense of innocent Serbs lives.

[Hyllus]

Ok I see. Thats why the Chetnik leader Draza Mihailovic received a medal from the American Veterans Association for his Chetniks rescuing downed American airmen from the Germans and the Croats, even at the expense of innocent Serbs lives.

That doesn't make up for all the crimes they did, does it?

[AK-Lover]

Here's little info about the 21st SS Division Skanderbeg:

Many Albanians in Kosovo saw the invasion of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia by Axis Powers as an opportunity to secede from the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes, and eventually merge with Albania. In 1941 Albania, Western Macedonia, and majority of Kosovo were under Italian control. Following the surrender of Fascist Italy in 1943, the territories under discussion, were occupied by Nazi Germany. The 21st Waffen SS Mountain Division was the only fully ethnic Albanian division to be recruited during the Second World War. It was established originally to combat partisans with the promise that the territories with a majority Albanian population were to become an independent and unified state to include Albania, Kosovo and Western Macedonia or what Albanian nationalists called “natural Albania” or "Great Albania".

[AK-Lover]

That doesn't make up for all the crimes they did, does it?

You mean the revenge killings? Yes those wore crimes but considering the what was being done to Serbs from Northwestern Croatia thru Belgrade and down to Macedonia I can't blame them.

[Hyllus]

I can't blame them.
Yes, yes, typical ... So I can't blame the Skenderbeg Division either right? But you see, I do, because what they did was wrong, and at least I admit it.

[AK-Lover]

Yes, yes, typical ...

You haven't done much blaming of you're side either. In fact every little crime commited by Albanians you have tried to justify in one way or another. You are blinded by extreme nationalism and stupidity. Get over you're hatred of Serbs and start contributing to these political discussions postively. Everytime a new thread is opened you have some **** stirring and provocative comment to post and sadly you always get the reaction you want. Even before you stated you don't care if you are banned because you are going to let you're opinion be heard, well guess what the real world doesn't work that way. You can't just open your mouth and say whatever the hell you want.

[Hyllus]

oh Im a blinded by nationalism and stupidity? LOL and this is coming from you. How ironic!!!