(UK)Brothers attacked by teenage gang

[Geezah]

Two brothers have been attacked by a gang of teenagers in Plymouth after confronting the group which was vandalising their car.

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James Goodall, 24, from Cornwall, was attacked after confronting the six youths vandalising his car near his father's house in the Eggbuckland area.

His 19-year-old brother, Benjamin, ran to his aid, but was also punched to the ground and kicked in the head.

Devon and Cornwall Police are appealing for witnesses to the assault.

The brothers' injuries included a broken eye socket and a broken nose.

Ben Goodall said they were alerted to the vandalism when James' car alarm went off.

James - who lives in Portreath, Cornwall, and was visiting his father for the weekend - got into his Jeep Cherokee and pursued the group as they ran away.

When he caught up with them and asked them why they did it, he said the group set upon him, then attacked his brother when he tried to intervene.

The youths ran away when residents in the area came to the brothers' assistance.

The pair were taken to the city's Derriford Hospital, where they were treated for concussion.

'Nasty assault'

James suffered a fractured eye socket, two teeth, a swollen face, plus cuts and gashes on his legs and arms.

Benjamin suffered a broken nose, a bruised and swollen face and black eyes.

Their father, Edward Goodall, 46, who used to be a Special Constable in Plymouth, said the gang appeared intent on causing serious damage.

A police spokesman described the incident as a "very nasty assault" and appealed for witnesses to contact the force or Crimestoppers.


Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/devon/6056460.stm)

I'll have to ask my little brother about this as he lives in Plymouth.

The thing that amazes me is how there are more and more of these youngsters acting like animals in a jungle:(

[Hyllus]

James suffered a fractured eye socket, two teeth, a swollen face, plus cuts and gashes on his legs and arms.

Benjamin suffered a broken nose, a bruised and swollen face and black eyes.
WTF is wrong with "people"? Some of these animals should really get a life.

[Kaapeli]

Not a smart move to confront 6 vandals alone.

[cosimo]

This kind of thing happens all over the UK pretty regularly. There is a growing underclass in Britain which needs to be dealt with more effectively. Identify and eliminate would be my policy of choice. I'd like to say more and a lot more eloquently but this sort of thing gets me too angry.

[Hunterhr]

Not a smart move to confront 6 vandals alone.

Yep, bend over and take it like a man.

[Hyllus]

Not a smart move to confront 6 vandals alone.
What else would you do? I would try to run as fast as I can, but besides that, the only option left is to find till the end. Trust me it's worth a try. I've been in one of these situations, even though not this major, but if you don't fight back you're gonna get beat up even worse.

[Kaapeli]

Yep, bend over and take it like a man.

Trying to fight 6 guys when you really don't have to doesn't make you man, it makes you a very beaten up man and an idiot.
But hey it's your life, mr hero.


What else would you do? I would try to run as fast as I can, but besides that, the only option left is to find till the end. Trust me it's worth a try. I've been in one of these situations, even though not this major, but if you don't fight back you're gonna get beat up even worse.

These boys made the wrong choice before the fight even happened.
The guys who got beaten up went after these vandals alone, outnumbered and unarmed and tried to capture them. It's just not a smart thing to do unless you are properly armed and/or have superior manpower with you. So the choice of running away or fighting for your life would have been easily avoided in the first place.

I would have called the police first and then possibly followed them from a safe distance to inform the police of their locations.

Now I'll propably be hearing from every rambo here how they would have bravely gone up to a gang of six guys and beaten them bare handed...

[Abolith]

Trying to fight 6 guys when you really don't have to doesn't make you man, it makes you a very beaten up man and an idiot.
But hey it's your life, mr hero.



These boys made the wrong choice before the fight even happened.
The guys who got beaten up went after these vandals alone, outnumbered and unarmed and tried to capture them. It's just not a smart thing to do unless you are properly armed and/or have superior manpower with you. So the choice of running away or fighting for your life would have been easily avoided in the first place.

I would have called the police first and then possibly followed them from a safe distance to inform the police of their locations.

Now I'll propably be hearing from every rambo here how they would have bravely gone up to a gang of six guys and beaten them bare handed...

not from me.... 6 on little ol me? my BJJ training is good but not that good :)


besides if I was to confront that many people I'd bring my 1911.

[Moongazer]

This kind of thing happens all over the UK pretty regularly. There is a growing underclass in Britain which needs to be dealt with more effectively. Identify and eliminate would be my policy of choice. I'd like to say more and a lot more eloquently but this sort of thing gets me too angry.
If they're not white, you'll get a horrible PC stench.

[Moongazer]

Now I'll propably be hearing from every rambo here how they would have bravely gone up to a gang of six guys and beaten them bare handed...
Why barehanded? Where's your small 6-shot friend?

[Kaapeli]

Shooting 6 teenagers because they vandalized my car would be the way to go yes. But I think I'd let the police handle them anyway. A couple of dents on my car just wouldn't be worth the jailtime I'd get.

[Moongazer]

No, not shooting, pal, absolutely no.
You have to know jacal's psychology: when they see a gun and a readiness to use it, they all instantly turning to sheeps.

[Kaapeli]

Okay. So you suggest running up to the yobs and pulling your gun out. Then what?

[Moongazer]

Give them a big shining smile (this is important!)
and blandly tell them, "Yo boys, let's go home/to cop's station!"
Remember, your smile must be big, voice serene, and stare must be like cobra's before attack.

[Kaapeli]

Nah. I'd still give that a pass. I couldn't just shoot them if they decided to run or didn't obey me and if they got aggressive and I shot them I would still be in for a lot of trouble with the law.
Just too great a risk for the possible gains when I can just let the police handle them.

[Moongazer]

I assure you, very few people in that sutuation (when steel pupil is looking at them) will do something that stupid. If they get scared and run, you can count it as success, too. If they will try to attack, you can make a warning shot (in the sky, not in the head) and command them to lay down. After that anyone with at least one curve will obey. And if some of them is complete nutcase... well, no lawyer can condemn you if you just shoot him in the leg (that will instantly turn angry and aggressive yob to laying and whining yob). This will be pure self-defence.

P.S. Of course, you have to have a good self-reliance and practice with the gun.
Otherwise, or if you too afraid of trouble with the law, MPK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelargonic_acid_morpholide) will save you. :) Buy it right now. It stops even drink thug and always within "necessary self-defence" borders.

[Hunterhr]

Trying to fight 6 guys when you really don't have to doesn't make you man, it makes you a very beaten up man and an idiot.
But hey it's your life, mr hero.

Where did I say he should have tried to fight it out?

Amazing how it suddenly becomes the victims fault.

[Kaapeli]

I don't know about UK laws much but I still have my doubts about pulling a gun at vandals and getting away with it.


Where did I say he should have tried to fight it out?

Sorry if I misunderstood you but you made it sound like it was cowardice to have common sense and not enter a fight you can't possibly win (unless you happen to be the Emelianenko brothers).


Amazing how it suddenly becomes the victims fault.

It's not about who's fault it is. It's about not getting hurt unnecessarily. It doesn't comfort much to know it was the other guys fault when you're in the hospital eating through a tube.

[Moongazer]

I don't know about UK laws much but I still have my doubts about pulling a gun at vandals and getting away with it.

You won't get away even if you pull a pepper spray.

In the United Kingdom, where it is classed as an offensive weapon, the sale and possession of pepper spray is illegal under section five of the Firearms Act. First time offenders are likely to receive a police caution. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper_spray)

Cool. Such care about rights of vandals and bandits.
I'm very glad I'm not in UK, level of idiocy there exceed any maximum allowable limits.

[Pandy]

You won't get away even if you pull a pepper spray.

In the United Kingdom, where it is classed as an offensive weapon, the sale and possession of pepper spray is illegal under section five of the Firearms Act. First time offenders are likely to receive a police caution. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper_spray)

Cool. Such care about rights of vandals and bandits.
I'm very glad I'm not in UK, level of idiocy there exceed any maximum allowable limits.

And I wonder why united kingdom has a high crime rate...

[Moongazer]

Cuz criminals appreciate such care!

[Moongazer]

Do you want me to tell you a story, All?

После Великой Отечественной войны Жуков стал командующим Одесским округом. Однажды он узнал, что в Одессе процветает уличная преступность (вечерние и ночные грабежи прохожих). В одну ночь Жуков приказал выдать офицерам-фронтовикам из штаба округа дорогие трофейные костюмы и приказал выйти на прогулку, имея в кармане заряженные пистолеты.

Только лишь за одну ночь было ликвидировано 200 грабителей.


After Great Patriotic War (WWII) Zhukov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhukov) became Odessa dictrict commander. Once he learned street crime is prospering in Odessa (evening and night robbery of travellers). On one night Zhukov ordered to distribute expensive trophy suits to WWII veteran officers from district HQ and order them to go out with armed guns in pockets.

In only that night was exterminated 200 gangsters.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Yawn
Sh1t happens
I heard someone got beaten up in the USA once:roll:

[Geezah]

Not a smart move to confront 6 vandals alone.

Very true, especially after they have been working on your familys motor. Unless you have a pick axe handle, baseball bat, hammer, rubber mallet or a piece of rubber hose at the ready probably not a good idea to go after 6 guys.
Talks cheap though, as I should follow my own advice.


Yawn
Sh1t happens
I heard someone got beaten up in the USA once

Yet we are seeing more and more of this kind of thing taking place in the UK.
Dad confronts little scrots throwing rocks at his car, gets stabbed for his troubles and is later shot and killed, Dad goes out to confront toe rags outside his house beaten to pulp, yet your response is "I heard someone got beaten up in the USA once".
Very spot, as no-one said anything about it not happening over here, thing is, it does happen here yet the law abiding are giving the choice to employ tools if they need to, to defend themselves! Now that doesn't happen over there does it?!

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Very true, especially after they have been working on your familys motor. Unless you have a pick axe handle, baseball bat, hammer, rubber mallet or a piece of rubber hose at the ready probably not a good idea to go after 6 guys.
Talks cheap though, as I should follow my own advice.



Yet we are seeing more and more of this kind of thing taking place in the UK.
Dad confronts little scrots throwing rocks at his car, gets stabbed for his troubles and is later shot and killed, Dad goes out to confront toe rags outside his house beaten to pulp, yet your response is "I heard someone got beaten up in the USA once".
Very spot, as no-one said anything about it not happening over here, thing is, it does happen here yet the law abiding are giving the choice to employ tools if they need to, to defend themselves! Now that doesn't happen over there does it?!

Well you can use reasonable force here too you know. I've defended myself a couple of times in recent years and never had any comebacks from the law or anyone else. Like making sure in the States that you put the hole in their front not their back.

And as for 'seeing more and more of this kind of thing taking place in the UK' well guess what there are far more people living in the UK than ever before so go figure! More people means more crime but it doesn't mean that statistically speaking the UK is more dangerous to live in - in fact if anything the UK has never been safer than it is now.

[Kaapeli]

I remember reading a BBC article about UK crime rate some time ago. Violent crime was up significantly when most other crime was down.

[Geezah]

More people means more crime but it doesn't mean that statistically speaking the UK is more dangerous to live in - in fact if anything the UK has never been safer than it is now.

So even though you openly admit there is a problem with crime(which you have denied in the past), you blame the increase on more people, but the UK has never been safer even with the increase in crime levels.

Well that's a new one on me, more people=more crime=safer than ever.........

[a_very_ex_STAB]

So even though you openly admit there is a problem with crime(which you have denied in the past), you blame the increase on more people, but the UK has never been safer even with the increase in crime levels.

Well that's a new one on me, more people=more crime=safer than ever.........

Then I would submit that your ability to assess statistics and probabilities is somewhat limited :roll:

[a_very_ex_STAB]

I remember reading a BBC article about UK crime rate some time ago. Violent crime was up significantly when most other crime was down.

Changes in reporting procedures can account for much of that.