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He219
04-09-2004, 03:00 PM
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A picture taken April 30, 1994 shows two French soldiers standing guard at the Niashishi Tutsis refugees camp. Rwandan authorities reiterated the allegation that France had been involved in the genocide.(AFP/File/Pascal Guyot)

French minister says Rwanda's accusations are lies (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040409/wl_afp/rwanda_genocide_10years_040409120517)

MARSEILLE, France (AFP) - French junior foreign minister Renaud Muselier has described charges by Rwanda's President Paul Kagame that France was complicit in the 1994 genocide as "unacceptable, humiliating and lying".
In an interview with the Marseille daily La Provence published Friday, Muselier said the allegations Rwandan officials have pressed home this week were "unacceptable, humiliating and lying with respect to Europe, the international community and France."

On Wednesday, Muselier cut short a visit to Kigali after Kagame, in a speech commemorating the 10th anniversary of the outbreak of the organised killing of at least 800,000 people, renewed a verbal onslaught on the French.

"They knowingly trained and armed the government soldiers and militias who were going to commit genocide and they knew they were going to commit genocide," Kagame told a ceremony at the country's national stadium.

"I regret that memories and polemics have been mixed up," Muselier said in the interview. "There are individual and collective responsibilities (for the Rwandan genocide), but time will enable the history of it to be told objectively."

On Thursday, French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier said that France would study the Rwandan allegation, but not until after a week of commemoration of the victims of 100 days of killing of Rwanda's minority Tutsis and of Hutus opposed to the genocide.

"We will examine the situation in depth, but because of this week of contemplation I have nothing to add at this stage," Barnier told a news conference.

French government figures from the time such as former prime minister Alain Juppe have angrily denied prior French knowledge of the genocide, which was unleashed on April 7, 1994, a day after Rwanda's Hutu president Juvenal Habyarimana was killed when his plane was shot down over Kigali.

The Rwandan government says that a million people were massacred before Kagame, then the leader of a Tutsi rebel force, seized Kigali and routed the Hutu killers in July 1994.

"Serious accusations, contrary to the truth, were made against France," Barnier said on Thursday. "Because we think this week is a week of contemplation and of commemoration and not one for controversy, we chose to withdraw in a dignified way."

Kagame's special envoy for the central African Great Lakes region, Richard Sezibera, on Thursday said the Rwandan government hoped France "would study the matter in depth."

"We would hope they would come clean on the role of French troops and French officers in Rwanda and we hope that France will no longer deny its role in the genocide in Rwanda," he told AFP.

UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites), Belgium as the former colonial power in Rwanda, and the United States have all expressed regret and apologies that the international community failed to halt the genocide, but France has made no such statement.

A book published last month by French journalist Patrick de Saint-Exupery alleged on the basis of interviews with French servicemen that "soldiers from our country trained, under orders, the killers."

Relations further deteriorated when the Paris newspaper Le Monde published allegations that Kagame had ordered the missile attack on Habyarimana's aircraft.

Hubert Vedrine, a senior aide to Socialist president Francois Mitterrand from 1991 to 1995, said that French action had been aimed at averting the massacres that "everyone" feared, but admitted the policy had failed.

Speaking Thursday on Radio France Internationale, Vedrine said France had trained the mainly Hutu army to defend itself against attacks from Uganda, which backed the RPF.

In return, France demanded that Habyarimana's government move to establish power-sharing with the Tutsis, he said.

"The objective of this French policy -- alas -- clearly failed. But its aim was to stop a return to massacres, to try to get over this Hutu-Tutsi issue which is still not resolved today," he said.

mustamato
04-09-2004, 03:02 PM
Ok, savages.

Mr Gently Benevolent
04-09-2004, 03:09 PM
We all failed the people of Rwanda same as we failed the Jews in WW2 we saw it coming and did nothing about it and when it happened we did not act quick enough, though to fair to the allies in WW2 there was a war on.

cut
04-09-2004, 11:20 PM
Most of the killing in Rwanda was done by machetes, so whether the french armed the hutus doesn't make much difference. The international comunity was at fault in this one.

ArmedPacifist
04-09-2004, 11:25 PM
Most of the killing in Rwanda was done by machetes, so whether the french armed the hutus doesn't make much difference. The international comunity was at fault in this one.

agreed

IDFM203
04-09-2004, 11:46 PM
Of course the international community failed there, however for me the way they acted and responded to this was much worse then merely not responding to this genocide

It was the same terrible mistake and as a result the wrong message sent when the U.S. pulled out of Somalia as what happened here, where when one European nation, and I cant remember exactly which one, had 10 or 12 of its soldiers killed and then almost immediately afterwards it pulled out its troops and then soon afterwards the rest of the nations pulled out except for a small contingency that was left behind.

So its one thing for there not to be any troops at all and then not send any, but how this is more tragic is that there were troops there already and instead of intervening as soon as the situation got a little rough, they in fact pulled all of those troops out :roll:

Shalom :D

cut
04-09-2004, 11:56 PM
Of course the international community failed there, however for me the way they acted and responded to this was much worse then merely not responding to this genocide

It was the same terrible mistake and as a result the wrong message sent when the U.S. pulled out of Somalia as what happened here, where when one European nation, and I cant remember exactly which one, had 10 or 12 of its soldiers killed and then almost immediately afterwards it pulled out its troops and then soon afterwards the rest of the nations pulled out except for a small contingency that was left behind.

So its one thing for there not to be any troops at all and then not send any, but how this is more tragic is that there were troops there already and instead of intervening as soon as the situation got a little rough, they in fact pulled all of those troops out :roll:

Shalom :D

That country was Belgium, Rwanda was a belgian colony, trouble is the belgians did not have the power projection required to do what the brits did in sierra leone, the french in cote d'ivoire, etc...

IDFM203
04-10-2004, 12:10 AM
Cut,

Yes Belgium…well I gotta say I hear what you are saying but I just don’t buy it.

I mean like you say, the Rwandans had for the most part just machetes, and in fact regardless of what they had, the Belgium’s could have sent in reinforcements to back up what they already had in place.

Also they weren’t there alone, there were other nations that were there, just after they pulled out the rest followed.

Listen I am not putting this squarely at the feet of the Belgium’s (though they were the first to bail out and right after they had some of thier soldiers killed, which was a terrible message and at the worst time to bail out as they did) for indeed other nations soon followed suit, though the fact that they all left, in where from what I read, when what was on the ground already was efficient enough to prevent any genocide and if not then they could have brought in reinforcements, but in fact not only didn’t they do that but they pulled out most of their troops, is a abomination and there is not excuse for it not to mention the message it sent to others to put any faith in any future international protection which has been lost for years.

Shalom :D

cut
04-10-2004, 12:25 AM
Well I blame the international system, it works as fast as it can but that is still too slow considering the the hutus were killing the tutsis with machetes faster that the nazis killed the jews. There's little that could have been done in that frame of time, and it's no use blaming the UN because without the UN everyone would have turned a blind eye.

Other than that I can't really comment on it because I wasn't really following international news at the time (I was 11) and I havn't studied it much since, so I don't know what the political climate was like.

Midav
04-10-2004, 12:35 AM
All nations let down Rwanda.

Not just France.. ALL!

There is growing activity going on in Sudan.

Maybe at least this time nations could bond together to help stop a possible genocide.

IDFM203
04-10-2004, 12:39 AM
Well I blame the international system, it works as fast as it can but that is still too slow considering the the hutus were killing the tutsis with machetes faster that the nazis killed the jews. There's little that could have been done in that frame of time, and it's no use blaming the UN because without the UN everyone would have turned a blind eye.

I believe what you wrote here is untrue.

For yes there was enough time to act with the troops on the ground there already!!

Again why this is even more tragic is that this wasn’t a matter of the international community being too slow in sending troops, for they ALREADY had plenty (and from what I read they had enough) there on the ground to stop this genocide but instead not only didn’t they even attempt to help out but rather PULLED OUT its troops and exactly at the most worst time which was after some of their troops were killed and it was at the very beginning of this genocide, which was the WORST message and thing they could have done.

As for blame, well in truth I don’t solely blame the UN for what the Rwandans did to each other for it is they that gets the blame, however I blame the UN for the abysmal retreat and at the worst time they could have done it, that is what I blame the UN for and in fact that action (and I can site a few others of this kind of retreat by the UN in the past) IMO is appalling and indefensible and not to mention the message it sent to others that they cant put any faith in any future international protection which has been lost for years and it has only further reinforced to others how unreliable it is to rely on any UN security protection!!

Shalom :D