Wreck of a Focke-Wulf 190

[madpendos]

Found in forest, St. Petersburg, Russia.

Amazing!

http://www.youtube.com/v/lmKFqFDRfrQ

[zapatero]

Great vid! Does anyone know when did they discovered this wreck? It's in a really good shape...

[PrinzEugen]

Great find! Thanks for posting it. I´v seen pictures of this plane before but never a video. I think they found it 3-4 years ago, wonder where it is now.

[Jurpula]

Nice! Seems to be in good shape.

[Roanoke]

What happened to the pilot?

[Saranof]

I'm suprised it's still in such good shape, not that I know a lot about how those planes do when left out in the woods

[PrinzEugen]

Found the site, http://klad.hobby.ru/milarch.htm , only in russian but if you click the 8:th button in the menu you will find it. They sure found alot of stuff.

[phoilme]

That is amazing! How does that go unoticed for sixty years? I didn't hear the audio (at work you know). I see someone had to get there to remove instuments. Looks like it's about 55-75 percent. That's a find and finders keepers.

[madpendos]

That is amazing! How does that go unoticed for sixty years?

There are a lot of uncovered areas in Russia. I used to live in Sevastopol. We have an area there called "Partizan Forest". It is a huge forest surrounded by barbed wire. That area is so heavily mined, and full of WW2 artifacts, people are still not allowed to go there without supervision.

[Kippari]

Well, maybe the forest hasn't been there back in the WW2 but instead grown afterwards. I't might have been a svamp or something. Anyways good vid.

[Cosmonaut]

Extremely interesting video and website. Thanks a lot for posting it! My grandfather fought in the Nowgorod area. Near Leningrad (St. Petersburg). I started a thread here:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=94347

because I did not know the origin of some of the pictures. Now is a bit clearer. I have a couple more, if anybody is interested I could post them too. Not really action tho.

[Jurpula]

Hit it!...

[Universe]

This is a tough one to identify but its a focke wulf FW-190A-8

[phoilme]

Do you have translators? Most of your English is very good, but you must have translators on you CPU's. Is that correct?

[MaydayJohnson]

i hear its an A-5 varient.

[MaydayJohnson]

its in paul allens greedy little hands, im hoping he will treat it right. what i dont get is why dont they save the original aircraft and use it to make 10 more FW190 duplicates. that way if the original crashes you wont lose it forever.

[Hellfish]

its in paul allens greedy little hands, im hoping he will treat it right. what i dont get is why dont they save the original aircraft and use it to make 10 more FW190 duplicates. that way if the original crashes you wont lose it forever.

Its hugely expensive. Someone recently opened a line for reproduction Me-262s but I think they are only building 10 of them. I'm sure this FW-190 will be thoroughly studied, though.

[Crankep]

Aren't there any blueprints left from the era of these planes? Would be horrible for them to be lost.

[phoilme]

Even though I would like to have it and have the money to re-build it, Paul has what it takes. I'm afraid he'll forget about it. Maybe he employs a staff to do just this though. I worked for a man who owned the publishing company that published Military Trader ( I was advertising manager, editor and contributor for two years) He had a little industry re-building relics.
http://www.magazinecity.com/prodimg/7613-12.jpg (javascript:popUp();)

[Hellfish]

Blueprints are one thing, but finding someone to manufacture a lot of those parts is a lot more difficult, especially in small quantities.

[JoeBlack23]

Amazing and the condition is amazing..being 60 years under the open sky..i would love to find one of those..

[ex1cdo]

Blueprints are one thing, but finding someone to manufacture a lot of those parts is a lot more difficult, especially in small quantities.

Someone's doing it: Flugwerke GmbH (http://www.flugwerk.com/)

[unpredictable]

great finding

[Hellfish]

Someone's doing it: Flugwerke GmbH (http://www.flugwerk.com/)

Wow..........

[Universe]

Not an A-5 its definitely an A-8 look closely at the engine and ull figure out why.

[Big-Will]

Great Find! If I found one it would end up in my backyard.p-)

[SBL]

Found in forest, St. Petersburg, Russia.

Amazing!

http://www.youtube.com/v/lmKFqFDRfrQ

That is absolutely outstanding. Imagine how awesome it must be to be walking through the woods only to stumble across one of these. And it's in such good shape too! If only I could find something so cool.p-)

[name already taken]

That is absolutely outstanding. Imagine how awesome it must be to be walking through the woods only to stumble across one of these. And it's in such good shape too! If only I could find something so cool.p-)


There are a lot of uncovered areas in Russia. I used to live in Sevastopol. We have an area there called "Partizan Forest". It is a huge forest surrounded by barbed wire. That area is so heavily mined, and full of WW2 artifacts, people are still not allowed to go there without supervision.

Coincidence, here's a website from Helena about Kiev's defensive surroundings in
http://www.theserpentswall.com/
dating from WW2 and before. Exactly along the lines of what madpendos says about Sevastopol's "Partizan Forest".

It seems that Ukraine and probably Russia are covered with restricted zones full of historic materials. And a pastime for all locals to collect.

BTW, Helena is also the author of an mind boggling website about Chernobyl:
http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chapter1.html

[rssmps]

BTW, Helena is also the author of an mind boggling website about Chernobyl:
http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-land-of-the-wolves/

off topic but supposedly this was fabricated.

[name already taken]

off topic but supposedly this was fabricated.

Off topic but she's the daughter of the scientist supposed to monitor the radiation levels over time.

It's a one person project too wide of scope to be fabricated for my understanding.

Still off topic.

[PrinzEugen]

Bump

Just found more info about this aircraft from axis history forum.

"Fw190 A5 White A of 4./JG54

This Focke-wulf 190 was manufactured in April 1943, originally as an A-5 variant and supplied with the full work number 0151227. It was the 415th A-5 constructed from batch 0150812 - 0151793 and manufactured by the parent factory of Focke-Wulf Flugzeugbau GmbH at Bremen.
Interestingly, W.Nr 1227, seems not to have been manufactured as a straight A5 variant. A standard A-5 was fitted with outer MG/FF 20mm cannons and was completed with the central wheel well covers. On W.Nr 1227, the outer MG/FF cannons had not been fitted on the production line, the central wheel well covers had also been removed and in its place a central ETC501 bomb rack had been fitted.
By April 1943 production Focke-wulf were still behind in the production of the F-2 variant. Focke-wulf therefore continued to factory modify A-5 variants to accommodate the slipping production schedule. Focke-wulf 190 A-5, W.Nr 1227 is seen generally as being originally manufactured as an A-5, but became a factory modified example and so making it a Fw190 A-5/U3.
If it had been constructed on its own production run, the completed W.Nr 1227 would have been known as a F-2 variant; a total of 271 F-2's and F-2/tp's were produced upto May 1943.
On reaching the end of its production run, W.Nr 1227 was painted with the individual Stammkennzeichen (RLM block codes) of DG+HO.

Movements
In 1942 the German High command had the idea of rotating units in the Eastern Front with those in the Western Front. With this idea, the original plan was to rotate the whole of JG54 in the East with JG26 in the West in early 1943. The first and only units to return were 4./JG54 of the II Gruppe and the whole of III/JG54 who returned to France in mid February. In return I/JG26 and 7./JG26 of the III/JG26 went to Russia where JG26 operated for a while under the command of JG54.
The 4./JG54 pilots and ground crew returned West to act as a nucleus to help build up the new IV/JG54, whilst pulling in resources from other units. Due to a shortage of Fw190's, the 10, 11 & 12 staffeln of the new IV Gruppe were worked up with new Bf109 G-3 and G-4. At the end of April the task for 4./JG54 was complete and with a build up of Russian forces around Leningrad, 4./JG54 were on their way back to the Northern Front to join the rest of the II Gruppe again.
W.Nr 1227 was flown via several bases from an aircraft pool and most probably delivered fresh to JG54 by a new squadron pilot. Around mid May she arrived at the former Russian airbase of Siwerskaja to join the ranks of other Fw190's being operated by I and II Gruppes of JG54.
Although the yellow theatre markings might have been painted prior to delivery to 4./JG54, the original camouflage was painted over. It was standard procedure to paint over the factory finished colours of RLM74 Gray Green and RLM75 Gray Violet which covered the top surface. The sides on this A5 which had a base of RLM02 gray with mottling of RLM74 and RLM75 going down to the RLM76 Light Blue to the underside. As these colours were unsuitable for the Leningrad area of the Russian Front, JG54 applied a unique three colour combination. JG54 were known to experiment with different colour combinations. The colour combination generally followed the original demarcation lines and consisted of a dark green, brown violet and tan (sand) which was more suited to the forests areas of Northern Russia. ('new' colours as listed in Ken Merricks book).
To this was applied yellow theatre bands to the underside of the wing tips, outside of the lower cross, to the lower quadrant of the rudder, around the fuselage cross and to the lower engine cowlings. The last area to be touch up was to the underside blue to hide the last two remaining letters of the factory codes (the others were under the yellow wing tips) and to apply the tactical letter of a 'White A'.
To say this marking was unusual would be correct. No surviving JG54 pilots can recall flying with letter markings, having always recorded numbers within the log books. During the summer of 1943, no horizontal band denoting the II Gruppe was added to aircraft of 4./JG54 either.
At the beginning of July 1943, 4./JG54 were back in operations. At the same time, IV/JG54 had moved to Jesau on there way to Northern Russia. When the new IV Gruppe reached Russia in the middle of July, the 4./JG54 were again subordinated to the new Gruppe. As the 10 staffel of the IV Gruppe carried white numbers, white letters seem to have been applied to the 4./JG54 who were acting as a semi autonomous ground attack unit.

The loss of Fw190 A5/U3 W.Nr 1227.
On Monday 19th July 1943 Fw190 A-5 W.Nr 1227 'White A' went on a mission carrying a SC250 (550Ib) bomb. Taking off from Siwerskaja, on what was probably a hot summer day, 'White A' headed for the Front line which was only fifteen or so minutes flight time away. Crossing the front line over the Dvina River, the Fw190, flying with another crossed it and headed East. Whilst behind enemy lines, in an area called Voibakala, the 'Rotte' attacked an armoured train and reportedly suffered damage from flak. The loss report indicates the Fw190 crash landed due to this damage, although none was located on the airframe. It Fw190 suffered a catastrophic failure of the BMW801, caused by a rag -sabotage is suspeced as it was a new engine was fitted a few days before). The Fw190 was recorded as being 100% lost in the map reference co-ordinates of Pl.Qu.20124. This grid system based on 1:200,000 maps was used to identify crash sites, possibly for salvage, recovery of missing pilots or as the best way of identifying an area consisting of un****ounceable Russian towns, villages and large areas of forests and lakes. The more numbers the Pl.Qu. reference gives, the smaller the area of the location. A key to this 'code', would help identify literally dozens of possible recoveries within Russia!!
The pilot Feldwebel Paul Rätz survived the crash landed behind enemy lines. He removed his leather flying helmet and retrieved the first air kit from the rear fuselage and is thought to have headed West back to the front line only a dozen or so miles from the crash site. He was undoubtedly captured by the Russians and interned although the Luftwaffe loss report still class him as 'Vermißt' (missing) in action.

Notes
The fourth Staffeln of Jagdgeschwader 54 'Grunherz' only seemed to have carried this unusual white letter combination for a few months through the summer and autumn of 1943. On returning to join the II Gruppe again, the staffel reverted to the number system again. There are only two other known 4/JG54 loses where Fw190's have been recorded as lost with these distinctive markings.

• On 8th July 1943 the relatively new Fw190 A-5, W.Nr 1520 'White D' was 100% crashed whilst taking off with the pilot killed.
• On 23rd August 1943 Fw190 A-4, W.Nr 5808 'White B' was classed as 100% lost when it crash landed due to flak damage at location Pl.Qu.18212. The pilot was injured but returned safely to his unit.

Found in silver birch forest 1989. Recovered 1991. Doug/David Arnold and now Paul Allen.

This is a very high % original aircraft.
Everything that could be reused has been reused.
The original 6 spoke sand cast wheels are a site to see.

Enclosed photo from December 2005 when secrecy was lifted - article published in a few magazines by others. All info above has already been published.

Reporting etc has not been brought down again so cannot say any more.

Lets just say it is an amazing aircraft.

Picture attached from Dec 2005. "
http://pichostwizard.com/imgt/291687.jpg (http://pichostwizard.com/show.php?id=291687)





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[Hiroshima]

Very nice! Thanks for the update!

[Zorro C9]

I'd brave that forest if I had the chance to get my hands on an Emil or similar.

[skunker]

Museum in Texas had 2 real ones in the 1990s:

http://www.ww2incolor.com/gallery/new_war_photos/fw190splash

[PrinzEugen]

There´s actually quite a few, check the menu for Focke-Wulf, http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/ .