SIG 510/STGW 57 Assault Rifles

[Jabroni]

http://www.swissrifles.com/pe57/510s.jpg

http://www.swissrifles.com/pe57/index.html
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[Demigod-17]

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[Finity01]

In their own way, they seem to resemble the S. Korean Daewoo rifle family...although I doubt they are of any relation...

[Anthony91]

EDIT: This post really isn't needed.

[Icarus1]

It's a very reliable rifle with good punch (7.5mm swiss ammo). A little bit heavy, but okay. Not used anymore since 1990.

And judging a rifle by it's looks is soooooo airsoft.

[sct1886]

Search this guy's gallery of photo's, nice stuff.
http://www.gunco.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/6699

[Anthony91]

It's a very reliable rifle with good punch (7.5mm swiss ammo). A little bit heavy, but okay. Not used anymore since 1990.

And judging a rifle by it's looks is soooooo airsoft.

I've never shot it or seen it in real life. And I rarely judge a weapon, aircraft, or vehicle by it's looks.

[DeltaWhisky58]

It's a very reliable rifle with good punch (7.5mm swiss ammo). A little bit heavy, but okay. Not used anymore since 1990.

And judging a rifle by it's looks is soooooo airsoft.

Hit the nail on the head there - Starfox is soooooo airsoft. Maybe he'll grow up one day, but it ain't looking hopeful from where I'm standing.


I've never shot it or seen it in real life. And I rarely judge a weapon, aircraft, or vehicle by it's looks.

So why make such an asinine comment then? Come on little boy, start growing up a bit or do you want another vacation?

As weapons go, this is built like a swiss watch and shoots like a dream.

[Icarus1]

Hit the nail on the head there - Starfox is soooooo airsoft. Maybe he'll grow up one day, but it ain't looking hopeful from where I'm standing.



So why make such an asinine comment then? Come on little boy, start growing up a bit or do you want another vacation?

As weapons go, this is built like a swiss watch and shoots like a dream.

Thanks for the support. As I said, a very good rifle. Made out of high quality material, very accurate and reliable. The old 7.5mm swiss was a great calibre too.

[Kampfhamster]

by the way: the Swiss Airforce is still using it. Or rather: some soldiers in the airforce still carry the 57, they're not shooting it anyway, or very very rarely. ;)

The freaking thing is just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too heavy.

[Jabroni]

EDIT: This post really isn't needed.
There is a point of this thread, Its about a state-of-the-art assault rifle that is sadly quite rare and only used by a very few nations. It reminds me of the old German Solothurn MG30/MG34/FG42 weapons.

I like it not only by its unusual looks but the fact it uses RLD-Blowback for its operation.

I heard some are still used in Switzerland but only by specialists/so many servicemen.

Shame it aint that popular.

[Anthony91]

There is a point of this thread, Its about a state-of-the-art assault rifle that is sadly quite rare and only used by a very few nations. It reminds me of the old German Solothurn MG30/MG34/FG42 weapons.

I like it not only by its unusual looks but the fact it uses RLD-Blowback for its operation.

I heard some are still used in Switzerland but only by specialists/so many servicemen.

Shame it aint that popular.

No, I meant it was about my post. The thread is great.

[Sten3]

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http://www.euroarms.net/CV/Svizzera/CA200.htm

http://www.exordinanza.net/schede/StGw57.htm

[DeltaWhisky58]

No, I meant it was about my post. The thread is great.

In future, unless you have something really worthwhile to say, dont post!

[Anthony91]

In future, unless you have something really worthwhile to say, dont post!

I'll be sure to remember that DW.

[Hollis]

There is a point of this thread, Its about a state-of-the-art assault rifle that is sadly quite rare and only used by a very few nations. It reminds me of the old German Solothurn MG30/MG34/FG42 weapons.

I like it not only by its unusual looks but the fact it uses RLD-Blowback for its operation.

I heard some are still used in Switzerland but only by specialists/so many servicemen.

Shame it aint that popular.


I am not sure, But I think it would be called recoil operated. Recoil and blow back are very similar. on Recoil the barrel moves back, doing so unlocks the bolt. The kenetic energy from the recoil keeps the bolt moving backwards. The MG 42 operates by this method. Blow back is how the 1911 and may auto pistols are operated. Because of the lower chamber pressures blow back works on pistols but not on rifles..also "powder burn" times are slower on rifles.

Now having said that...The bolt looks similar to a MG 42 with roller bolt locks..

Now am I way off... or maybe just different names for the same operation?

[Hydro]

I think the MG42 and the 510 use the same operating principle. Shooters tend to hold these rifles in very high regard, they are extremely well made and supposed to be exceptionally smooth shooters.

[Sten3]

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[Icarus1]

Stgw57 is just used by servicemen who did their service long ago and are now in the reserves. Otherwise it was completly replaced by the Stgw90 (SIG 550).

[Kampfhamster]

Icarus, believe me, it's still in service.

[gtronin]

Heya, I was always curious, did they ever make box mags for the Stgw57?

And its also the first I hear that the Stgw57 in service... well except the odd old guy who for some reason still has to do a WK... Now that you mention it, last time I had to go I actually saw one, I think it belonged to a cook or a driver who wasnt going out to the field anymore... AFAIK the 57 isnt issued anymore though. (I would expect any recruit getting a 57, would have a big WTF written all over his face, I would like to see it though... and film it, hehe)

[Jabroni]

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[SharpShooter282]

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Where does this pic come from???

[gtronin]

Ill guess Peru, I think they got their hands on some Stgw57.

[ClydeFrog]

I think the MG42 and the 510 use the same operating principle. Shooters tend to hold these rifles in very high regard, they are extremely well made and supposed to be exceptionally smooth shooters.

More comparable to a CETME/G3 than an MG42: The rollers lock with the receiver (MG42:barrel) iirc and they delay the movement of the bolt (->delayed blowback, unlike the MG42s bolt).

[Icarus1]

Icarus, believe me, it's still in service.

I believe you that it's in service (I know you're the pro :-) )

But it's not anymore issued to new servicemen, just used by WK soldiers. Am I right? That's what I meant.

Although: It's old, it's reliable and it kills when you it = meaning it's a good rifle :-) a little bit in it's ages, but good.

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[ClydeFrog]

Old versions (510-1) remind me of the FG42.

[SharpShooter282]

XTC where have you found it?
I don't think it's in use in the army? No?

But it's lovely. I admitt

[XTC]

where have you found it?

Aebi Waffen...but I didn't buy it


I don't think it's in use in the army? No?

it's not in service with the army

[Icarus1]

It's too short for the calibre... also the sights are a little bit out of age

[Basillicus]

That's one strange looking rifle. It would be nice to shoot one, layout looks interesting and could be pretty comfortable too. IMO the rifle looks way too complicated for a military rifle, it must have cost like hell to manufacture those. But I guess the Swiss can afford it. :)

[SharpShooter282]

It's too short for the calibre... also the sights are a little bit out of age

Yup, I think too.... but it's a nice work!

[Icarus1]

I shot it once... and it's a fvcking flamethrower. Sure it is fun to shoot once, but nothing I would take into service.

Also I don't get why they attached a AR15 style stock... a foldable would be better, especially because they don't use the benefits of the buffer spring (for me the only reason why not to make a foldable stock).

[Polyshot]

So what 'll happen to the StG 57s that are taken out of service? Will they get destoryed/scrapped or sold as surplus?

[Icarus1]

I think a lot will get sold as surplus. Like the old carbines. The others will get destroyed (my opinion). Or maybe we sell them to some african countries... or better not.

[Kampfhamster]

Most of them will be destroyed (or already are). Some retired serviceman are going to keep their rifle, like my dad.

There really isn't a market for these rifles, not in this quantity anyway. Keep in mind, 7,5mm GP11 isn't produced by RUAG any longer.

[Sand Man]

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Looks like a flame thrower by the size of that flash... Is it easy to dismantle?

[Son of Damian]

I think a lot will get sold as surplus. Like the old carbines. The others will get destroyed (my opinion). Or maybe we sell them to some african countries... or better not.


Most of them will be destroyed (or already are). Some retired serviceman are going to keep their rifle, like my dad.

There really isn't a market for these rifles, not in this quantity anyway. Keep in mind, 7,5mm GP11 isn't produced by RUAG any longer.

Where would you be able to find a surplus Stgw 57? My searches so far have only turned up bayonets.

[Icarus1]

In swiss Liq shops, you find them in every town in our country. In other countries? No chance i suppose to get them surplus.

[Kampfhamster]

Have you ever seen a Stgw57 in a Liq-Shop? Because I haven't. The Kar31 have been removed from the Liq-Shops as well (guess they make better money when they sell them to the USA).

@Son of Damian: try Waffen.ch

[Icarus1]

I'm speaking about the future. When theys won't be in service anymore they will be in Liq shops. I suggest.

[Kampfhamster]

I doubt that. They're already being phased out, lots of them are already destroyed.

[Icarus1]

Maybe you're right, because it's semi auto, not like the k31. but who cares. Who wants one can get one (in CH)

[Jabroni]

That 57 Commando Carbine puts the M4 to shame. Especially if its full auto.

No way the '57's should be destroyed, Just export them.

[Anthony91]

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Looks like a flame thrower by the size of that flash... Is it easy to dismantle?

Holy crap that gun is awesome. Throw on a RIS foregrip and thats one super awesome gun. :D

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[Seraphim]

Holy crap that gun is awesome. Throw on a RIS foregrip and thats one super awesome gun. :D

Looks photochopped to me.

[_Pantera_]

Custom Sport Version
http://www.hollenstein-waffen.ch/Angebote/images/limited_stgw57.jpg

[Kampfhamster]

Looks photochopped to me.

it isn't. The muzzle blast really is that big.

Not much fun to shoot that bastard, trust me.

[Engine Mech]

They made a commercial model in 308. I have seen these in NZ. They were used by helicopter deer hunters until they could get AR15s. They are impressive to look at and i have been told they shoot good. Expensive to buy in NZ and the ones i have seen in the shops have been shot out.

[Hanks]

I love M1.

[_Pantera_]

Old, big and unhandily but one way or another cool.

http://www.biggerhammer.net/sigamt/waffenrevue/soldier_bipod_sm.jpg


http://www.vn-amps.com.ar/sig510/images/bayoneta.jpg

[XTC]

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