View Full Version : Soldiers of Russia (lots of photos)
RomanS
04-09-2004, 10:59 PM
Pretend this was posted before I left.
Big thanks goes to my friend editor in chief of Bratishka magazine Kolesnik.
Enjoy
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/aa.jpg
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/ab.jpg
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http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/ak.jpg
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http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/bi.jpg
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http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/ek.jpg
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/el.jpg
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Oruj/qa.jpg
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Brozozo
04-09-2004, 11:08 PM
Are those guys (in the helmets) recruits?
Whenever I see Russian soldiers they always look rag-tag, especially those serving in Chechnya. They can't seem to agree on one type of uniform and camoflage to wear, some wear blue, others different types of green. These pics arn't a great example of my point however.
American Patriot
04-09-2004, 11:10 PM
So Russians use rip-stop also, hehe. Learn something new every day.
Wow, good pics Permski, as always. Looks like some tough training...wonder if any of those men are doing PMC work in ragheadville......By the way, lots has been stated on American and European PMC work.....I wonder what kind of Russian presence is there, considering lots of the contracts are American based but still, theres just so damn much work over there for skilled troopers and I would imagine Russians with Chechen experience would be a good choice ofr Iraq...........just a question....
UkrainianAmerican
04-09-2004, 11:33 PM
On one pic the flag says that its VITYAZ, so they are by no definition conscripts.
Brozozo
04-09-2004, 11:35 PM
On one pic the flag says that its VITYAZ, so they are by no definition conscripts.
VITYAZ?
UkrainianAmerican
04-09-2004, 11:41 PM
On one pic the flag says that its VITYAZ, so they are by no definition conscripts.
VITYAZ?
One of the few SPETSNAZ groups.
TacoDelRio
04-10-2004, 12:00 AM
What the heck? Are all these guys recruits or something? (Sorry if I missed something)
Using my incredible x-ray vision, I can observe the fact that they are getting the crap smoked out of them :-*$ :bash: :fork: . Good stuff. No offense, but seems a bit easy looking, minus the jumping through the small flaming tinder part. rofl
Good stuff. Keep em' coming!
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/aj.jpg
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/bg.jpg
thi guy looks like a skinny jonny wilkinson
Using my incredible x-ray vision, I can observe the fact that they are getting the crap smoked out of them :-*$ :bash: :fork: . Good stuff. No offense, but seems a bit easy looking, minus the jumping through the small flaming tinder part. rofl
rofl rofl rofl rofl you don't know what you're talking about
Russian Texan
04-10-2004, 12:33 AM
What the heck? Are all these guys recruits or something? (Sorry if I missed something)
Using my incredible x-ray vision, I can observe the fact that they are getting the crap smoked out of them :-*$ :bash: :fork: . Good stuff. No offense, but seems a bit easy looking, minus the jumping through the small flaming tinder part. rofl
Good stuff. Keep em' coming!
I hope that was sarcasm about "easy" stuff...
But look at their guns, OMFG!
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/cb.jpg
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/cg.jpg
How can any weapon function reliably after such an abuse?!!!
Sorry, couldn't resist poking at M 16 family :)
Srachka to Perdachka
04-10-2004, 12:46 AM
yeah thats because it's an Ak. You can not clean it for 10 years, kick it in and start shooting.
Brozozo
04-10-2004, 12:54 AM
yeah thats because it's an Ak. You can not clean it for 10 years, kick it in and start shooting.
But hitting what you're aiming at 300 meters is something different...
Russian Texan
04-10-2004, 12:59 AM
yeah thats because it's an Ak. You can not clean it for 10 years, kick it in and start shooting.
But hitting what you're aiming at 300 meters is something different...
How would you know?
And also how many people can positively ID target at 300 and comply with all of the ROE?
Can you post a link to or compare yourself M16 vs AK 74?
Brozozo
04-10-2004, 01:11 AM
yeah thats because it's an Ak. You can not clean it for 10 years, kick it in and start shooting.
But hitting what you're aiming at 300 meters is something different...
How would you know?
And also how many people can positively ID target at 300 and comply with all of the ROE?
Can you post a link to or compare yourself M16 vs AK 74?
I meant hitting something with a battered AK that hasn't been cleaned in 10 years. But i actually know of a page that compares an M16 to an AK, gimmie some time and I may be able to find it, but don't hold me to anything if I can't... [/i]
Brozozo
04-10-2004, 01:33 AM
Sorry, can't find the link anymore. It was a visual comparasin of groupings fired from an AK74 or AK103(?) compared to those of an M16A2, the difference increased at every 100 yard interval with the M16A2 maintaining a tighter grouping.
Russian Texan
04-10-2004, 01:41 AM
I meant hitting something with a battered AK that hasn't been cleaned in 10 years. But i actually know of a page that compares an M16 to an AK, gimmie some time and I may be able to find it, but don't hold me to anything if I can't... [/i]
Ak series is one of those rare/unique guns that appears to be completely oblivious to age and cleanliness...
The only negative comment regarding its accuracy that I have heard, twice actually, from Russian soldiers who used it in combat - after about 5 magazines of continuous fire, it really heats up, starts "spitting" bullets and accuracy significantly goes down.
May be someone else has a link/comparison of the Russian AK 74 and M16 family?
Marmot1
04-10-2004, 03:01 AM
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/ei.jpg
OMG those F1 granades are hanged on pins!!!! And what if you have to crawl??? very risky...
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/bg.jpg
What is this plastic for, around his tail??? :lol:
Jack Mehoff
04-10-2004, 03:03 AM
I bet those are dummy grenades. No way in hell they give conscript FNG recruits live nades, unless they are on the grenade range.
mustamato
04-10-2004, 03:14 AM
I bet those are dummy grenades. No way in hell they give conscript FNG recruits live nades, unless they are on the grenade range.
I somehow have a feeling of that Russian security regulations is not as strict as the
American ones. The only time we (in our conscription) time had/have live handgrenades
is on the grenade/live fire combat range yes. I don´t think it is just because
of the safety concern, but also that they don´t want live handgrenades to "dissapear",
which probably would happen if we would have them all the time. And we had by
way to carry them in a pouch that was empty of everything else, I don´t think
the range security officers would have liked if we carried them on the pins :P
http://www.mil.fi/images/reservilainen_fiiliskuva.jpg
... or like this
Jack Mehoff
04-10-2004, 03:17 AM
There are too many factors why recruits shouldn't have live nades and live ammo:
1) psychopath
2) accidents
3) they are going to sell it or keep it as a souvenir.
They can't seem to agree on one type of uniform and camoflage to wear, some wear blue, others different types of green. These pics arn't a great example of my point however.
The Russians are expected to operate over a wide range of conditions and have complete camouflage sets for autumn, winter, spring and summer in all these different conditions. The fact that a range of camo is used is not that big a surprise... sometimes it is by choice, sometimes it is likely that that is all that is available. Needless to say those who need to operate in cold weather get cold weather gear... it may or may not be the ideal colour but they won't freeze to death...
Regarding the grenades the standard procedure in the Russian army is to bend the split pin out rather than just splay it a little. ie to pull the pin without squeesing the ends of the pin together would be near impossible.
mustamato
04-10-2004, 03:29 AM
There are too many factors why recruits shouldn't have live nades and live ammo:
1) psychopath
2) accidents
3) they are going to sell it or keep it as a souvenir.
Depends on how long you define a soldier as a recruit. We throwed our first
live handgrenades (shock, shrapnel and smoke) hm, about 4 months after
entering service. Some do it earlier though, already under boot camp.
Throwing live grenades in trenches around corners etc is done as well not all
too long after boot camp. But we basically got them a couple of minutes before
we were going to blow them up, and there was always a officer up our asses
to see that we didn´t fook up.
those helmets look heavy.
ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
04-10-2004, 04:40 AM
Are those guys (in the helmets) recruits?
Whenever I see Russian soldiers they always look rag-tag, especially those serving in Chechnya. They can't seem to agree on one type of uniform and camoflage to wear, some wear blue, others different types of green. These pics arn't a great example of my point however.
To let you know there is no camo pattern thats "standard issue", the army use's many different types of camoflauge. This usually gives the soldiers the choice of what to wear, and trust me they do have alot of choices its mostly a matter of availibility.
Denat
04-10-2004, 05:07 AM
Great pics :) I believe they are from selection to Vityaz unit ?
Question: What's the difference between those two beret badges those guys are wearing? AFAIK they are from one unit, so why different beret badges ? BTW one of the badges has old soviet emblem - still in use ?
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/bi.jpg
Marmot1
04-10-2004, 05:43 AM
They can't seem to agree on one type of uniform and camoflage to wear, some wear blue, others different types of green. These pics arn't a great example of my point however.
The Russians are expected to operate over a wide range of conditions and have complete camouflage sets for autumn, winter, spring and summer in all these different conditions. The fact that a range of camo is used is not that big a surprise... sometimes it is by choice, sometimes it is likely that that is all that is available. Needless to say those who need to operate in cold weather get cold weather gear... it may or may not be the ideal colour but they won't freeze to death...
Regarding the grenades the standard procedure in the Russian army is to bend the split pin out rather than just splay it a little. ie to pull the pin without squeesing the ends of the pin together would be near impossible.
??? Sorry dude but it is easy as hell... and I know it from my practice, also I have one F1 in my home...
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1605/Image088.jpg
Groove
04-10-2004, 05:58 AM
great pics !
One of the best i ever saw is this here :
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/ek.jpg
This guy should get the beret instantly for taking his comrade on his back !
Groove
Marmot1
04-10-2004, 06:09 AM
yeah especially when it was one of the exercises... other one in the background also have his comrade on the back... so lets give them all berets just for doing exercise...
mustamato
04-10-2004, 06:21 AM
Regarding the grenades the standard procedure in the Russian army is to bend the split pin out rather than just splay it a little. ie to pull the pin without squeesing the ends of the pin together would be near impossible.
??? Sorry dude but it is easy as hell... and I know it from my practice, also I have one F1 in my home...
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1605/Image088.jpg
Maybe it´s easy to pull the trigger because it´s a dud, because I assume that
it´s not still with explosives in it :) I have no experience with a F1 but I have
thrown live handgrenades, and it took some serious force to remove the pin, I
agree with GazB, those pins will not go anywhere byt themselves.
I don´t think I would worry all too much to hang a handgrenade all too much
in a pin. I think that in many of these Russian battlevests also in their handgrenade
pouches, there is a hook where the pin can be put, and when taking it up from the
pocket the pin stays in the pocket and the handgrenade is ready to throw immediately.
But I don´t think I would do it anyway. And yeah, those were some great pictures.
Chris1
04-10-2004, 09:33 AM
What the heck? Are all these guys recruits or something? (Sorry if I missed something)
Using my incredible x-ray vision, I can observe the fact that they are getting the crap smoked out of them :-*$ :bash: :fork: . Good stuff. No offense, but seems a bit easy looking, minus the jumping through the small flaming tinder part. rofl
Good stuff. Keep em' coming!
I hope that was sarcasm about "easy" stuff...
But look at their guns, OMFG!
How can any weapon function reliably after such an abuse?!!!
Sorry, couldn't resist poking at M 16 family :)
http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/ops/milan_hr.jpg
rifle lying in the mud on the left, just as bad :D
:D
hist2004
04-10-2004, 10:14 AM
"No offense, but seems a bit easy looking, minus the jumping through the small flaming tinder part".
In response to the above post by a forum member, here's what it takes
to qualify. This is the test, it doesn't include the training they undergo.
Thanks for the photos Perm-
For every SPETSNAZ, the hardest and at the same time the most honorary qualifying test is the "Red Beret" complex. The requirements are same for all, despite age, rank or service achievements. The ?Red Beret¦ qualification has to be reconfirmed every year. In this contest, everybody is equal. The test consists of three stages.
The first one serves to display physical fitness: eight kilometers of cross-country race are followed by a 100-meter sprint. Most part of the distance is either "fording" a swamp, breast-deep of foul water, or crossing a "contaminated zone" with a gas mask on. To add to the difficulties, the contaminated zone has a few "special tracks" with land mines, smoke and fire. In certain parts of special tracks, a soldier has to run through smoke and fire, with heavy truck tires swinging like pendulums, hitting soldier-s heads, hands, legs or sides. From time to time they run or crawl under real gunfire. To worsen the situation, special groups of "psychological enhancement" create additional obstacles. The ?psyches¦ run in parallel to contestants and shout, and spray them with mud or throw pyrotechnical packets under feet- These are the caste of the ?untouchable¦ - a contestant is not allowed to argue with them, let alone exercise physical force on them.
This part over, without a break, a man has to run another set of sprint distances: 4 x 100 meters. Then come pull-ups and acrobatics. Only "excellent" marks are counted.
The second phase begins immediately after the first one. Every contestant has to excellently fire the RPG-7 anti-tank grenade launcher, the AGS-17 automatic grenade launcher, the PK and PKT machine guns, the AK-74M assault rifle, the Stechkin and Makarov pistols and the SVD rifle. When firing the Dragunov sniper rifle equipped with the unadjusted scope, a shooter has to fire two test shoots and be able to zero the rifle for both windage and elevation. By the next two series of two shots each a sniper has to "kill" two targets at extended ranges. Tired and exhausted, a contestant receives a command "Assault! Hostages in the center (to your left or to your right)". Performing a "dynamic entry", with 4 shots from a pistol, a soldier has to remove 2 targets.
Finally, cadets approach a table with a knocked down radio station and quickly put it into operation, establish communications with the HQ and report that the mission is in progress.
The third stage is probably the toughest. It lasts only 12 minutes, but cadets call this test "12 minutes of hell". The 12 minutes are divided into 4 periods of 3 minutes each. This is exactly the duration of a round in a hand-to-hand fight. Every new round - with a new competitor, the competitor, who is a certified Red Beret. In this fight there are very few taboos:
- do not hit groin;
- do not hit back with elbow;
- do not hit elbows with straight leg.
The rest of the fight has no limits.
Regards,
Hist2004
Chmiel
04-10-2004, 10:42 AM
Superb pics!!!
BTW I have a question about these helmets...What is with hearing in this?It's look deep and close to ears. I remember , when I was in the army , I used sometimes our para-helmet (with skin-made protective things on ears) and I remember that I hate poor , faded hearing with that ....specially during covert ops training or silent movement exercises.Due to this, we often used field caps of foreign armies...
tacticalmanta
04-10-2004, 12:48 PM
Great pics :) I believe they are from selection to Vityaz unit ?
Question: What's the difference between those two beret badges those guys are wearing? AFAIK they are from one unit, so why different beret badges ?
BTW one of the badges has old soviet emblem - still in use ?
The beret badges do not change from unit to unit. The difference between the two is enlisted vs. officer (wreath). The difference in color is that the one on the far left and right are communist era and the one in the middle is Russian Federation, not USSR.
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/bi.jpg
tacticalmanta
04-10-2004, 12:56 PM
Here is a link comparing the M16 and AK47.. I know someone asked to compare the AK74..but then we should also compare the M4.. my M4A3 is far more accurate than any AK I have seen.
http://www.ak-47.us/AK-47vsM-16.htm
Brozozo
04-10-2004, 01:05 PM
Here is a link comparing the M16 and AK47.. I know someone asked to compare the AK74..but then we should also compare the M4.. my M4A3 is far more accurate than any AK I have seen.
http://www.ak-47.us/AK-47vsM-16.htm
Not the link I had in mind but it's pretty good anyways. Mine actually had pics of groupings at 100 yards, 200 yards, 300 yards, 500 yards and 600 yards, or something like that.
tacticalmanta
04-10-2004, 01:09 PM
just a site.. not THE site :)
What is interesting is the auther's information on the GI M-16 rear site is incorrect. It is not a v shape at all. Furthermore, there are actually two rear sites, one flips out of the way when the other is in use. One is a ghost ring, the other is a square notch.
vitiaz
04-10-2004, 01:12 PM
Nice pics...first time I've seen real troops wearing the new 'partizan' camo,
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Oruj/qc.jpg
Brozozo
04-10-2004, 01:18 PM
just a site.. not THE site :)
What is interesting is the auther's information on the GI M-16 rear site is incorrect. It is not a v shape at all. Furthermore, there are actually two rear sites, one flips out of the way when the other is in use. One is a ghost ring, the other is a square notch.
Yeah, I picked-up on the sight thing too. And there is a device that holds your bolt open...
tacticalmanta
04-10-2004, 01:26 PM
just a site.. not THE site :)
What is interesting is the auther's information on the GI M-16 rear site is incorrect. It is not a v shape at all. Furthermore, there are actually two rear sites, one flips out of the way when the other is in use. One is a ghost ring, the other is a square notch.
Yeah, I picked-up on the sight thing too. And there is a device that holds your bolt open...
Yep, there is (offically called the bolt catch)! And the safety is on the left side of the weapon; it makes no sound. I'd take a picture of mine if I had a site to host pictures!
Brozozo
04-10-2004, 01:29 PM
just a site.. not THE site :)
What is interesting is the auther's information on the GI M-16 rear site is incorrect. It is not a v shape at all. Furthermore, there are actually two rear sites, one flips out of the way when the other is in use. One is a ghost ring, the other is a square notch.
Yeah, I picked-up on the sight thing too. And there is a device that holds your bolt open...
Yep, there is (offically called the bolt catch)! And the safety is on the left side of the weapon; it makes no sound. I'd take a picture of mine if I had a site to host pictures!
No need, I'm familiar with the rifle. :)
ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
04-10-2004, 01:35 PM
Nice pics...first time I've seen real troops wearing the new 'partizan' camo,
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Oruj/qc.jpg
gotta love partizan camo...too bad its soo expensive otherwise I'd buy some :P
I'm pretty sure these are Vityaz soldiers...
RomanS
04-10-2004, 01:43 PM
Most of the guys are Vityaz.
Hist2004 you forgot the test of roping from a 5 floor building.
You start from the roof, you rope down shooting in one window, and throwing a grenade in the other. You only have 20 seconds to do it.
Backis
04-10-2004, 03:42 PM
How can any weapon function reliably after such an abuse?!!!
Sorry, couldn't resist poking at M 16 family :)
Don't wanna rain on your parade... but if you clog the barrel of an AK, M16 or even an old flintlock musket with sand like that, the only one you are going to kill if you fire the weapon is yourself... :|
Look at the gun farthest to the left. I'd suggest using a condom and rubber band to keep that crap out... ;)
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/dl.jpg
Claymore
04-10-2004, 04:20 PM
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/ei.jpg
OMG those F1 granades are hanged on pins!!!! And what if you have to crawl??? very risky...
Those are only practice grenades. Still hanging those on pins is...ummm...not very clever. :roll:
http://www.inert-ord.net/russ02i/urg/urgmarks.jpg
http://www.inert-ord.net/russ02i/urg/index.html
FDF_Hemppis
04-10-2004, 07:17 PM
...my M4A3 is far more accurate than any AK I have seen.
http://www.ak-47.us/AK-47vsM-16.htm
And that only means you haven't fired sako's RK62 or RK95 :D
I'm willing to believe that a *properly* made AK-type weapon is as accurate as a M16/M4.
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/aj.jpg
Beautiful cross, Orthodox Brother!
S Verom u Boga
Sloboda Ili Smrt!
Russian Texan
04-10-2004, 07:28 PM
Here is a link comparing the M16 and AK47.. I know someone asked to compare the AK74..but then we should also compare the M4.. my M4A3 is far more accurate than any AK I have seen.
http://www.ak-47.us/AK-47vsM-16.htm
I haver asked for the AK 74 vs M16, not AK 47 (much different caliber).
Or if you insist on comparing M4A3 to AK, why don't you take AK 100 series for the comparison?
RomanS
04-10-2004, 09:29 PM
Hristos VOSKRES bratia Slavyane !
Catch22
04-10-2004, 09:32 PM
Chrystus zmartwychwstał!
And btw. Roman are we having you back here? :)
Iskluchitel'no iz Slavjanskoj solidarnosti. VOISTINU VOSKRES.
Marmot1
04-11-2004, 04:32 AM
just a site.. not THE site :)
What is interesting is the auther's information on the GI M-16 rear site is incorrect. It is not a v shape at all. Furthermore, there are actually two rear sites, one flips out of the way when the other is in use. One is a ghost ring, the other is a square notch.
Yeah, I picked-up on the sight thing too. And there is a device that holds your bolt open...
Yep, there is (offically called the bolt catch)! And the safety is on the left side of the weapon; it makes no sound. I'd take a picture of mine if I had a site to host pictures!
www.imageshack.us easy and for free
Denat
04-11-2004, 05:44 AM
Great pics :) I believe they are from selection to Vityaz unit ?
Question: What's the difference between those two beret badges those guys are wearing? AFAIK they are from one unit, so why different beret badges ?
BTW one of the badges has old soviet emblem - still in use ?
The beret badges do not change from unit to unit. The difference between the two is enlisted vs. officer (wreath). The difference in color is that the one on the far left and right are communist era and the one in the middle is Russian Federation, not USSR.
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/bi.jpg
Thanks for your answer ;) but he
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/ac.jpg
is undoubtedly an officer - COL Lisiak as far as I know is CO of the Vityaz unit. So why is he wearing enlisted badge without any wreath ?
ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
04-11-2004, 06:29 AM
Heres a make-up of the badge list of the vityaz and were they wear them.
MVD Patch (cloth) - uniform (body armour, tactical assault vest)/back
MVD Badge (metal) - beret
MVD Badge (subdued metal) - patrol cap
Russian Flag (cloth) - beret
2 Rank Tabs/Epaulettes (camouflaged cloth) - uniform/shoulders
2 MVD Emblems (subdued metal) - uniform/collar tabs
Blood-type Patch (camouflaged cloth, rectangular) - uniform/left breast
VV MVD Patch (camouflaged cloth, rectangular) - uniform/right breast
MVD Vityaz Emblem Patch (camouflaged cloth) - uniform/right sleeve
Russia Vnutrennie Voiska Patch (camouflaged cloth) - uniform/left sleeve
Not sure how correct it is though, so feel free to correct me.
tacticalmanta
04-11-2004, 09:46 AM
Thanks for your answer ;) but he
is undoubtedly an officer - COL Lisiak as far as I know is CO of the Vityaz unit. So why is he wearing enlisted badge without any wreath ?
To my knowledge, the Russian Federation does not make an equivalent badge to the old Soviet officer cap badge for the army. I think all men, officer and enlisted, now get the same badge for the beret. I guess without a red star, hammer, and sickle, they are at a loss what to put in a wreath? The navy has officer-unique badges, however.
intelligenzija
04-11-2004, 11:26 AM
In the spetsnaz tv series the red berets are shown as stupid dumbasses :roll:
/McH\
04-11-2004, 12:31 PM
Why does the Russian Soldiers always have those Huge funny looking Helmets???
Dalleer
04-11-2004, 12:35 PM
Why does the Russian Soldiers always have those Huge funny looking Helmets???
I hope I'm thinking about the same helmets as well when asking this question; Are these helmets Russian "Kevlar/composite" ones or are they manufactured out of similar materials as the metal helmets...
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Oruj/qc.jpg
These helmets, I mean
ShadowNeo
04-11-2004, 09:41 PM
Very nice pics :)
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/bi.jpg
Does anyone else think the soldier int he middle looks a bit like Dolph Lundgren?
ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
04-11-2004, 09:58 PM
Very nice pics :)
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/bi.jpg
Does anyone else think the soldier int he middle looks a bit like Dolph Lundgren?
I was thinking the same myself...He looks like a hard mofo though
anonymous individual
04-11-2004, 10:22 PM
Very nice pics :)
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/bi.jpg
Does anyone else think the soldier int he middle looks a bit like Dolph Lundgren?
All I know is he can kick my a$$.
Bulkowski
04-11-2004, 11:13 PM
http://bratishka.ru/images/album/Pokaz/Sold/ej.jpgThose little bullets?
and does that guy have a cell phone?
Brozozo
04-11-2004, 11:19 PM
Those arn't bullets but rather brass ends from his berets "fag-tags"
And I have no idea why the hell that guy has a cell phone.
RomanS
04-11-2004, 11:31 PM
the hanging bullets are "shot", not taken out of the casing without ever been shot out.
Its a tradition in the special forces community.
My friend Undo has a very nice beret with "shot bullets" given to him by an owner as a friendship souvenir.
Quite a rare collectible hehehe.
WolverineBlue
04-11-2004, 11:42 PM
Permskii
Two things:
1) Your avatar freaks me out.
2) Nice pics.
Ezra Coli
04-12-2004, 11:10 AM
Absolutely awesome photos. Glad you shared them. :D
What kind of helmet are they wearing? Is it standard issue? What is it made of?
RomanS
04-12-2004, 04:00 PM
SKIFF is the name of the round green helmets.
Kevlar
Issued to special units of Internal Affairs.
perdurabo
04-12-2004, 04:16 PM
hey permski nice pix, welcome back mate it started to be borring without you, marmont and i started crying when you left... p-) :lol:
RomanS
04-12-2004, 04:31 PM
I see
where is my sausage hampster ?
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