U.S. to Israel: Ease up on Arab-Americans

[Clarsachier]

'Condi screws up and reveals Israel's racism ;


They are being treated as Arabs and not Americans," one senior official said. "They basically treat them as second-class citizens."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/19/rice.rights/index.html?section=cnn_latest

So Israels treats Arabs' as second class citizens? (Common knowlege, I know.)

Must be pretty bad for SECSTATE to make this comment public.

[cbreedon]

'Condi screws up and reveals Israel's racism ;



http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/19/rice.rights/index.html?section=cnn_latest

So Israels treats Arabs' as second class citizens? (Common knowlege, I know.)

Must be pretty bad for SECSTATE to make this comment public.

Right to vote, freedom of religion, etc, etc.... they have it be it better than 90% of the Middle East.... May not be L.A. but the Middle East ain't America or Western Europe.

[Clarsachier]

Right to vote, freedom of religion, etc, etc.... they have it be it better than 90% of the Middle East.... May not be L.A. but the Middle East ain't America or Western Europe.

Arabs aren't treated as 2nd class citizens in 90 percent of the Middle East.

[cbreedon]

Arabs aren't treated as 2nd class citizens in 90 percent of the Middle East.


If you base it off the rights that people in Israel receive then yes they are. Look at the justice system in Iran or Saudi and compare it to Israel. There is no comparison.

[Clarsachier]

If you base it off the rights that people in Israel receive then yes they are. Look at the justice system in Iran or Saudi and compare it to Israel. There is no comparison.


Your comment only applies to the rights of Jews in the Jewish state.

Israeli justice is not for the Israeli Arabs.

Would you like some examples?

[dnme]

Your comment only applies to the rights of Jews in the Jewish state.

Israeli justice is not for the Israeli Arabs.

Would you like some examples?

well id like u give some examples

[cbreedon]

Your comment only applies to the rights of Jews in the Jewish state.

Israeli justice is not for the Israeli Arabs.

Would you like some examples?

pretty pointless....
You can quote examples but when it comes down to it I would much rather be called names or not getting promoted for being a different culture or race than being flogged or executed for some stupid morality issue....

[Mr.Flint]

Your comment only applies to the rights of Jews in the Jewish state.

Israeli justice is not for the Israeli Arabs.

Would you like some examples?
How about this one
Salim Joubran, an Israeli Arab, and one of the judges in the Israeli Supreme Court:bash:

[cbreedon]

How about this one
Salim Joubran, an Israeli Arab, and one of the judges in the Israeli Supreme Court:bash:

He's on the Israeli Supreme Court.... Is that a bad thing??? or are you showing that Arabs have decent rights in Israel?

[dangerclose]

Israeli arabs have more rights in Israel than in any arab country. There are arabs in the kinneset. How many jews living in arab countries can say the same?

[Clarsachier]

pretty pointless....
You can quote examples but when it comes down to it I would much rather be called names or not getting promoted for being a different culture or race than being flogged or executed for some stupid morality issue....

Well, I'm not sure you would really prefer being a 2nd class Arab citizen in Israel over being an Arab in an Arab country. Morality, is something you have full control over. Ethinicity isn't.

BTW,

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...ad.php?t=85380

[Javehn]

Your comment only applies to the rights of Jews in the Jewish state.

Israeli justice is not for the Israeli Arabs.

Would you like some examples?

Shure , bring some examples , if it gives you erection .

[Clarsachier]

He's on the Israeli Supreme Court.... Is that a bad thing??? or are you showing that Arabs have decent rights in Israel?

The fact that Israeli Arabs contribute a lot to Israel exemplifies the injustice
by removing the excuse that they're 'unworthy' or 'disloyal'.

[Freedom06]

Here's discrimination for you-I have half a dozen Israel entry stamps in my passport- now I am barred from entering a good portion of arab countries.... You should visit Jaffa my friend-Israel has one of the most diverse populations of people from all over the world-there was a time when israelis and palestinians mixed freely and happily a generations ago-that relationship has naturally soured given the intifadas and that small incidental fact that they have been subjected to a campaign of suicide bombings etc.
I am sure that some level of racism does exist among some quarters of the israeli population but to label it a racist society is just not true, al least from my personla experience. What is racist is the concerted campaign by palestinians/Egyptians iranians etc to portray jews as monkeys that drink the blood of children and all have hook noses.
I think israeli arabs get better treated than jews do in arab countries (if there are any)..Iran being a case in point.

[Javehn]

Here's descimination for you-I have half a dozen Israel entry stamps in my passport- now I am barred from entering a good portion of arab countries.... You should visit Jaffa my friend-Israel has one of the most diverse populations of people from all over the world-there was a time when israelis and palestinians mixed freely and happily a generations ago-that relationship has naturally soured given the intifadas etc.
I think israeli arabs get better treated than jews do in arab countries( if there are any)..


No mate , don't brake his illusion , please .

Let him tell us , what kind of discrimination there is exactly in evil Israel rowards its loyal , yet abused population .

Just bare in mind I live in a city with a good mixed population . Now here is a question from me to you . How can you distuingish between Jews and Arabs here in my city ? Just some sort of a game . Let's play it , if you don't mind dealing with suppresing dirty Isra-helli .

[Clarsachier]

=Freedom06;2017083]Here's descimination for you-I have half a dozen Israel entry stamps in my passport- now I am barred from entering a good portion of arab countries....

And Israel doesn't restrict Arab's entry? Gimme a break!:roll: And BTW, those Arab countries maintain that policy legally because they're 'legally at war' with Israel. And legally those terms (Arab league) are negotiable - the offer's on the table to resind that rule.


COLOR="Blue"]You should visit Jaffa [/COLOR]my friend

I don't go to apartheid countries nor give them any business. I'd be a hypocrite.


[-Israel has one of the most diverse populations of people from all over the world-there was a time when israelis and palestinians mixed freely and happily a generations ago-that relationship has naturally soured given the intifadas etc.I think israeli arabs get better treated than jews do in arab countries( if there are any)..
There we go yet again, despite Israel's displacing these people from their homes, bombing their power supplies, killing their women and children on a daily basis, it's all their fault. :roll:

[Hollis]

Me thinketh Clarsachier doest protest to much... Or he really hates Jews/Israel.

or what is it, He points out the speck in the eye of Israel whilest ignoring the Beam in the eye of the Arab Countries.

[Freedom06]

And Israel doesn't restrict Arab's entry? Gimme a break!:roll: And BTW, those Arab countries maintain that policy legally because they're 'legally at war' with Israel. And legally those terms (Arab league) are negotiable - the offer's on the table to resind that rule.

It is discimination all the same- by saying that it cuts the other way too is no excuse.





I don't go to apartheid countries nor give them any business. I'd be a hypocrite.

Maybe you should, and what you find maybe will surprise you. Truth is always uncomforatble for those who see the world in black and white...



There we go yet again, despite Israel's displacing these people from their homes, bombing their power supplies, killing their women and children on a daily basis, it's all their fault. :roll:

Did i say it was their fault? I don't think i did, don't put words in my mouth.

[Clarsachier]

[HOLLiS;2017107]Me thinketh Clarsachier doest protest to much... Or he really hates Jews/Israel.

No, I just don't like BS, nor apartheid, nor people who support ethnic cleansing, so I point it out.


or what is it, He points out the speck in the eye of Israel whilest ignoring the Beam in the eye of the Arab Countries.[/QUOTE]

I know you have something to say ; please elaborate.

[nu4idf]

No, I just don't like BS, nor apartheid, nor people who support ethnic cleansing, so I point it out.

no one supports ethnic cleanisng in Israel...the closest it comes to that is paying them to move. The same is done in the US when a planned highway runs over someones house or land. They pay them fair market value. I personally think this could some the Palestinian problem by buying up the land and paying them off to live else where.

I don't wanna see anyone killed but if it needs to be done to keep Israelis safe then its go time. Everycountry does it, Israel is just under a microscope!

[nu4idf]

Me thinketh Clarsachier doest protest to much... Or he really hates Jews/Israel.

or what is it, He points out the speck in the eye of Israel whilest ignoring the Beam in the eye of the Arab Countries.

I do think he hates Jews and the thought of Israel

[Moledet]

Here's an example: In Israel all minorities are encouraged by the government to keep their language, ethnicity and culture by state aid given to them to build cultural centers, special schools, etc...
In the US minorities aren't pushed to change their culture but neither does the state helps them to keep it, the community mostly live off private donations.
In France the minorities are encouraged to integrate into the majority by disallowing special schools and cultural centers and forcing the use of the French language.

[Freedom06]

The fact that Israeli Arabs contribute a lot to Israel exemplifies the injustice
by removing the excuse that they're 'unworthy' or 'disloyal'.

This is one of the most stupid and self incriminating comments I have ever headr on this forum-a classic example of the kind of arguments you can never argue rationally with -Israeli arabs are integrated into a supposedly 'racist israeli society'-thus removing an excuse for israeli racism. so you're using an example of non-racism to prove racism....-what kind of reasoning is that?:bash: You've got to try harder than that...

[Clarsachier]

Freedom06;2017123]It is discimination all the same- by saying that it cuts the other way too is no excuse.

Your right. But keep in mind that that mean's Israel's just as bad.


Maybe you should, and what you find maybe will surprise you. Truth is always uncomforatble for those who see the world in black and white...

No thanks, I take the word of HRW, the UN and the Israeli supreme court (and Condi!) as authorities on the issue.


Did i say it was their fault? I don't think i did, don't put words in my mouth

You mean it wasn't you that said,


"that relationship has naturally soured given the intifadas"?

You'er not blaming 'the soured relationship' on the intifadas? That's not what you meant, hyh?

[Clarsachier]

well id like u give some examples


Read the link I posted. My SECSTATE said it. That's good enough for you.

[Freedom06]

I am blaming the soured relationship on the intifadas, but that does not mean I think it's "all their fault". The palestinians were and are rebelling against occupation-how and why that occupation occurred is a whole other argument. Again, don't put words into my mouth( or anything else for that matter).
Unlike you I don't see the arab-israeli conflict in black and white with one side the shining example of resistance against injustice and the other a racist south-africa in the making. Such blunt assertions maybe comforting to you but they don't rpresent the complex reality of the situation-the grey in between..

[Javehn]

Read the link I posted. My SECSTATE said it. That's good enough for you.


I am asking you to find me an example .

[Clarsachier]

I am blaming the soured relationship on the intifadas, but that does not mean I think it's "all their fault". The palestinians were and are rebelling against occupation-how and why that occupation occurred is a whole other argument. Again, don't put words into my mouth( or anything else for that matter).

Unlike you I don't see the arab-israeli conflict in black and white with one side the shining example of resistance against injustice and the other a racist south-africa in the making. Such blunt assertions maybe comforting to you but they don't rpresent the complex reality of the situation-the grey in between..


Let's make a deal, I won't put words in you mouth if you don put words in mine ;-)

[cbreedon]

Read the link I posted. My SECSTATE said it. That's good enough for you.


Not really... I'm looking for specifics... not generalizations. Please sight examples to your accusation that Arabs are as second-class citizens in Israel. If not you are painting the whole if Israeli Jews as racist whilst basically doing the same thing...

[Javehn]

I am blaming the soured relationship on the intifadas, but that does not mean I think it's "all their fault". The palestinians were and are rebelling against occupation-how and why that occupation occurred is a whole other argument. Again, don't put words into my mouth( or anything else for that matter).
Unlike you I don't see the arab-israeli conflict in black and white with one side the shining example of resistance against injustice and the other a racist south-africa in the making. Such blunt assertions maybe comforting to you but they don't rpresent the complex reality of the situation-the grey in between..

Unfortunately , it's like talking to a wall ... Prepare to ad hominem .

[Clarsachier]

I am asking you to find me an example .


This (statement by SECSTATE) is an example Einstein.? rofl

[Hollis]

Clar, is a fool, Ask the Druse or Bedouins (Arab Muslims) who proudly Serve Voluntarily in the IDF, and are highly recognize for it. Maybe Clar should stop his subscription to "Hamas today"

[cbreedon]

This (statement by SECSTATE) is an example Einstein.? rofl

That again is a generalized statement... not specifics. Also she is a politician. If you take everything a politician says as gospel then I am not sure what to say....

[Javehn]

This (statement by SECSTATE) is an example Einstein.? rofl

Dear mr retard .
What Condi is talking about is absolutely another and all different matter , to which I can relate .

Unfortunately I didn't had the brains to klick the link before , and find out that she talks about American Arabs that travell in territories . Which is indeed problematic matter , but absolutely have nothing to do with things you are talking about here .

Unfortunately sir , all you have prooved that you have your own understanding of world .


And now , dear mr retard ,be so kind enough to provide examples of how we treat our Israeli Arabs as second class citizens .

[Javehn]

Officials said that despite a longstanding policy of issuing visas to Americans traveling to the West Bank and Gaza, the Israeli government has recently denied Palestinian-Americans and certain other Americans entry.

During her recent trip to Israel, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice raised the issue with Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, and U.S. diplomats have also recently complained to the Israeli Embassy in Washington, officials said.

"They are being treated as Arabs and not Americans," one senior official said. "They basically treat them as second-class citizens."



Talk about gross misunderstanding !!!!

[WARPIG]

This thread is simply flame bait. I don't think any "state of Israel" or similar threads will do much better. Such conversation should do more to help the understanding of the issues revolving around Israeli/Arab tensions, but the insulting context in which most of you post just won't allow it. Hence, the thread lock.