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mustamato
04-10-2004, 03:03 AM
My translation of an article in Swedens largest eveningpaper.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,460619,00.html

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BAGDAD. A year ago the statue of Saddam Hussein was teared down in front
of the jubilant people. Today the Paradise square is sealed off by heavily armed
American soldiers. They thear down anti-American posters and are spreading
western propaganda thru rattling loudspeakers.
- I never thought I would say this, says a young women.
- ... but I miss Saddam.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0404/10/NYHETER-10s12-staty-5_368.jpg

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0404/10/NYHETER-10s12-paradiset-57_368.jpg
THE CHEERING HAS SILENCED A year ago the Saddam statue was
pulled down from the Paradise square. A strong symbol of freedom that USA
liked to show on TV. Today the square is sealed off. There will not be any one
year celebration. The only movement on the square is soldiers that is climbing
on the new monument to tear down posters of the new threat to US - shiit leader
Muqtada Sadr

It has gone exactly a year since the American troops, as they put it themselves,
liberated the Iraqi people. Itīs one year ago since the Saddam Hussein-statue on
the Paradise square in central Baghdad was teared down by a Americans tank.
I saw myself how the monument fell down and how people were cheering and expressing
their joy over that the man that had terrorized and murdered his own people was
gone.

Deserted streets
Yesterday I asked Khalid, that works in one of the hotel near the Paradise square,
if he intended to celebrate that it was one year ago.
- What have we Iraqis to celebrate? It was better before. Look, he says, while
we watch over the deserted streets around the square and the hotel. The streets
are sealed off. Concertina barb wire, with razor sharp edges instead of spikes -
hinders also those that live in the area to get to their homes. A elderly man,
dressed in black pants and a white shirt tries to get to the street where he lives.
He tries to open the fence. A American soldiers stands in the middle of the empty
street, point his rifle threatening against him, and shouts "Go! Go!" One can hear
how he cocks his weapon. The old man stops and makes a dejected gesture
with his hand: "What are you supposed to do?"

No respect
Behind him stands a dirty Americans tank, that with a hissing sound turns it turret
from one side to the other, and points its gun against the crowd that gathers
on the other side of the fence.
- Look, they donīt show any respect to an old man, says an young woman.
- They are the ones ruling our country now. Now they are our masters. I never
thought I would say this, but I miss Saddam.

Loudspeaker car
While we stand there we hear loud disco music on. The loud speakers are
blaring. Khalid takes my arm.
- They have been driving around with the loudspeaker car all day, and played
somestime verses from the Quran, sometimes western dance music mixed
with propaganda.
- It is a provocation. They say "shoot us!" They want somebody to shoot against
them so that they get a excuse to kill us all.
I leave him and manage to get in to Palestine Hotel. The whole day this part of
the Abu-Nawas street has looked like a besieged fortress. Big concrete boulders
and barbed wire is surrounding the area, all the way from Palestine to Baghdad
Hotel. Armed guards, Americans soldiers and tanks is guarding those that work
and live in the area. I had to go a long way around just to get into the hotel
and look out over the square. Those that wanted to go to the Paradise square
today to celebrate was not let in. A year ago one got the impression that people
were almost dragged there to be shown up in TV.

The new threat
Today it was obvious that the Americans were afraid that all too many people
would gather. USA and their allies is aware of the fact that they are not longer
seens as liberators, but by occupants. They only ones seen at the square was
Americans soldiers that climbed up on the new stratue to tear down posters of
the Shia cleric Muqtada Sadr, the new threat against USA.

Urban Hamid

ShotOver
04-10-2004, 03:14 AM
You just don't know when to quit do you.

It's ****head people like you who are rooting this forum right up.

Really pathetic :|

mustamato
04-10-2004, 03:16 AM
You just don't know when to quit do you.

It's ****head people like you who are rooting this forum right up.

Really pathetic :|

Well, nothing in that post was my own opinion my young illiterate friend.

ShotOver
04-10-2004, 03:22 AM
haha, yer alrite.

Honestly, you are quite sad. It is ****head people like you, who come on this website, for the soul purpose of starting arguments and fights. It ****s me to see idiots like you doing it.

You call me illiterate? Just becuase i do not speak like an University scholar, does not mean i am illiterate.

I live a good life, i don't hate anyone. I live in one of the greatest countries in the world. Ive been all over the world, i am innocent, i have never killed anyone. I come on this forum, to see pictures, and to see what's going on in Iraq, and over the world.

But little ****s like you, who are hell bent on ****ing with everyones days, ruin it for everyone. Nobody wants to hear your ****. Really and truly, you should just go back to www.swedeswith*****envy.com and stay in their forum, and not come back here. Most people want you banned, your a complete ****head. Just like alot of the people on this site, the serbians (Who seem to this serbia was right in 1995, and they won the war) you have no reason to dislike what America and the rest of the modern world does. So why bitch like a little girl about it?

Really, just do us all a favour, and take all your Anti-American friends off this forum, and **** off with them. Make all our lives better.

You, are the idiot, my hate filled little friend.

mustamato
04-10-2004, 03:32 AM
i don't hate anyone.

Of course you donīt.




My comments were out of line, because im pissed off. It just sucks seeing these pricks kill people, and tear their bodies apart, and get away with it. While the Marines and soldiers sit there, watching that **** go on. I wish they could just give it a good "Let's do the village, lets do the whole f*** village" yell, and run in there.

But that wouldnt be right, would bring us to thier level.

Hypocrite.

ShotOver
04-10-2004, 03:34 AM
How am i hypocrite?

I was telling the truth, those dogs are not people.

;)

haha, shot down, smartass.

Sir Zach of R.
04-10-2004, 04:36 AM
PT you're right. But let's try to keep the obscene comments to a low. I don't want you or anyone else on this forum to be banned for stuff like that. But you are right, anti-Americanism among some members of this forum is very annoying. As Hillary Clinton said "It takes a village to raise a child." That's why I suspect she was raised in a nomadic tribe.

ShotOver
04-10-2004, 05:00 AM
hahaha, good joke.
I will keep the obscene comments to a low, as i always do.
But ****heads like him really annoy me.

duck
04-10-2004, 05:00 AM
Yep. In the old times Uday and Qusay held their protective hands over the young women in Baghdad and the elder got respect and love from Father Saddam. Rape, blunder, torture and murder seem to be what the Iraqis miss in their lives...

Trident-za
04-10-2004, 05:28 AM
I agree that there are many on this forum who are anti-US and post mainly rubbish, often with the explicit desire to cause trouble and start flame wars.

Having said that, I think it's important to get a perspective of what the iraqis themselves feel. I don't know what percentage of iraqis dislike/distrust/fear the coalition troops (I suspect its a relatively low number, but growing, at the moment), but I think it's important to get the ocassional "reality check" on the situation.

The article above might be irritating/frustrating etc, but we can't stick our heads in the sand and think all Iraqis love the coalition. Whether the views posted above are what we want to hear or not, these things need to be known.... if the situation is EVER going to get sorted out, the guys making the decisions (and the guys who will be heading on over to fight)need to face reality - reading only what you want to hear is a great way to guarantee you screw things up.

Note: I believe these kinds of articles (i.e. the feelings being portrayed are real) - I just don't extrapolate them to believe half of Iraq feels the same way. I know there is a helluva lot of "good news" that isn't being reported on from Iraq, but there is bad stuff too....

My 2c worth.

duck
04-10-2004, 05:47 AM
It's an interesting circle. The Iraqis themselves get a daily message from Al-Arabiya and Al-Jazeera urging them to resist "the Jews and the Crusaders" and reminding them they are actually fighting for a free Palestine in Iraq.

Once they believe that and go out on the streets to fight the Jews masked as US soldiers the Western media then rushes on them. "Cultural sensitivity" dictates that Iraqis can blame almost everything wrong with lives on the Coalition. Saddam releasing criminals before the war- Jewish-American plot, corrupt ex-Ba'ath officials forming gangs- Jewish-American plot, unemployed Saudi youth eager to become martyrs in Iraq- Jewish-American plot...

Wouldn't it be time to invent a Muslim-Chinese conspiracy just for a change?

SeanAshi
04-10-2004, 05:56 AM
As much as I hate to say this..mustamato is correct.

Ichhabe
04-10-2004, 08:50 AM
I see nothing wrong in that article.

It is not too often that western media let ordinary Iraqis get their view out in the open. (Unless their masked, and create good TV-images.)

HELEX
04-10-2004, 08:52 AM
It is not too often that western media let ordinary Iraqis get their view out in the open. (Unless their masked, and create good TV-images.)

Or they were paid 5 Minutes ago to praise the occupants.... :lol:

Marmot1
04-10-2004, 08:58 AM
It is not too often that western media let ordinary Iraqis get their view out in the open. (Unless their masked, and create good TV-images.)

Or they were paid 5 Minutes ago to praise the occupants.... :lol:
or paid to shout "America is Great Evil"

Anyway mustamato nice article... I know that some ppl prefer US ass licking behavor here but I hope it never happen.

Seoulstriker
04-10-2004, 12:16 PM
the arrogance and igorance of people who selectively choose who gets freedom is beyond me. :cantbeli:

American Patriot
04-10-2004, 12:33 PM
I'm going to pretend I didn't just read that trifle.

usa320
04-10-2004, 01:27 PM
First off i dont even consider the article legitimate, and secondly, i think Helex needs to stop being a ****head. Because if he lived under saddam he would be one of the first to go to the plastic shredder because he is so outspoken about everything. The very freedom of speech he defends and exercises would leave him dead under Saddam. Dead in the most painful way possible.