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Zoomie
10-22-2006, 02:44 PM
Banking Data: A Mea Culpa
By BYRON CALAME (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/thepubliceditor/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
Published: October 22, 2006


Since the job of public editor requires me to probe and question the published work and wisdom of Times journalists, there’s a special responsibility for me to acknowledge my own flawed assessments.
My July 2 column strongly supported The Times’s decision to publish its June 23 article on a once-secret banking-data surveillance program. After pondering for several months, I have decided I was off base. There were reasons to publish the controversial article, but they were slightly outweighed by two factors to which I gave too little emphasis. While it’s a close call now, as it was then, I don’t think the article should have been published.
Those two factors are really what bring me to this corrective commentary: the apparent legality of the program in the United States, and the absence of any evidence that anyone’s private data had actually been misused. I had mentioned both as being part of “the most substantial argument against running the story,” but that reference was relegated to the bottom of my column.
The source of the data, as my column noted, was the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, or Swift. That Belgium-based consortium said it had honored administrative subpoenas from the American government because it has a subsidiary in this country.
I haven’t found any evidence in the intervening months that the surveillance program was illegal under United States laws. Although data-protection authorities in Europe have complained that the formerly secret program violated their rules on privacy, there have been no Times reports of legal action being taken. Data-protection rules are often stricter in Europe than in America, and have been a frequent source of friction.
Also, there still haven’t been any abuses of private data linked to the program, which apparently has continued to function. That, plus the legality issue, has left me wondering what harm actually was avoided when The Times and two other newspapers disclosed the program. The lack of appropriate oversight — to catch any abuses in the absence of media attention — was a key reason I originally supported publication. I think, however, that I gave it too much weight.
In addition, I became embarrassed by the how-secret-is-it issue, although that isn’t a cause of my altered conclusion. My original support for the article rested heavily on the fact that so many people already knew about the program that serious terrorists also must have been aware of it. But critical, and clever, readers were quick to point to a contradiction: the Times article and headline had both emphasized that a “secret” program was being exposed. (If one sentence down in the article had acknowledged that a number of people were probably aware of the program, both the newsroom and I would have been better able to address that wave of criticism.)
What kept me from seeing these matters more clearly earlier in what admittedly was a close call? I fear I allowed the vicious criticism of The Times by the Bush administration to trigger my instinctive affinity for the underdog and enduring faith in a free press — two traits that I warned readers about in my first column.
Source (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/22/opinion/22pubed.html?_r=3&pagewanted=2&n=Top%2fOpinion%2fThe%20Public%20Editor&oref=slogin&oref=login)


It's taken him how long to figure this out?

Lt-Col A. Tack
10-22-2006, 06:42 PM
Interesting read! Thanks!

Apparently the journalistic more is to disclose first, and ask yourself thoughtful, self-critical questions later.

Hunterhr
10-22-2006, 07:09 PM
My July 2 column strongly supported The Times’s decision to publish its June 23 article on a once-secret banking-data surveillance program. After pondering for several months, I have decided I was off base.

Noooooooooooooooooo. Really?

raph_g
10-22-2006, 07:48 PM
Yeah i really hate that liberal media, they are soooo slanted, especially the New York Times I mean come on what do they know anyway? :roll:


All kidding aside, give the man a break. He knows more about journalism than me or any of you and we should admire him for being strong enough and having enough face to say he changed his mind. You don't want stubborn news editors.

ps everyone knows we track their bank records anyway, tist money (assuming the central network is even functioning) is sent almost exclusively via courier.

XShipRider
10-22-2006, 07:58 PM
Advertising sales dropped or readership must've slid, there's no other
explanation.

2Sheds_Jackson
10-22-2006, 08:43 PM
The guy is just taking a clue from every other celebrity who faces a huge public backlash for doing something contrary to our collective interests. 1. Do what gives you an advantage in the short term even though you know it's wrong, 2. passionately apologize later on. Lather rinse and repeat.

alexz
10-22-2006, 08:51 PM
WTF?
"I haven’t found any evidence in the intervening months that the surveillance program was illegal under United States laws."

AZRON
10-22-2006, 08:53 PM
Advertising sales dropped or readership must've slid, there's no other
explanation.

We have a winner.

Quarterly profits or income was down 39% from a year ago.

Lt-Col A. Tack
10-22-2006, 09:35 PM
All kidding aside, give the man a break. He knows more about journalism than me or any of you and we should admire him for being strong enough and having enough face to say he changed his mind. You don't want stubborn news editors.


Note the bold text. If he or one of his reporters comes into the possession of information about which he has some specific civil liberty vs security concerns, he should deliver it to some congressman that he trusts, not blab it to the world.

Lt-Col A. Tack
10-22-2006, 09:36 PM
The guy is just taking a clue from every other celebrity who faces a huge public backlash for doing something contrary to our collective interests. 1. Do what gives you an advantage in the short term even though you know it's wrong, 2. passionately apologize later on. Lather rinse and repeat.

Reading 2Sheds raises one's iq :)

raph_g
10-23-2006, 12:04 AM
Please do note the bold text. He knows about journalism, thats why he is the public editor.

"Byron Calame is the readers' representative. His opinions and conclusions are his own. His column appears at least twice monthly on the Sunday Op-Ed pages."

Also review/note the first line of the article you quote.

The public editor has no control over the content of the paper. He is not a news editor. Calame did not and does not decide which articles make it into the news section. He has no reporters. His role (by necessity) is distinctly seperate from the rest of the editorial board. Now perhaps you disagree with his column that supported the Times for publishing the article and perhaps you think it's funny that he changed his mind, but please understand that he had no part in the process of deciding whether or not to publish the article.

Please, before you start Times-Bashing (I know, it seems like a lot of fun right?), learn how the paper works. :slap:

usm2b
10-23-2006, 12:10 AM
We have a winner.

Quarterly profits or income was down 39% from a year ago.

rofl Source? haha that is so funny!

Klatuu
10-23-2006, 12:15 AM
All kidding aside, give the man a break. He knows more about journalism than me or any of you and we should admire him for being strong enough and having enough face to say he changed his mind. You don't want stubborn news editors.

ps everyone knows we track their bank records anyway, tist money (assuming the central network is even functioning) is sent almost exclusively via courier.

Yeah, good idea. The guy's an expert journalist, so let's overlook him supporting revealing secret national security programs. Request denied, no breaks.

I especially like the part where you say "everyone knew about it anyway", which would mean it wasn't newsworthy in the first place, further making the case that the story shouldn't have run, and that guy you hailed as the "expert journalist" a couple sentences before is really just an idiot who doesn't know what news is.

Public education much?

Jobu
10-23-2006, 12:27 AM
In other words, "PLEASE renew your subscription to the NYT, we're in deep ****."

raph_g
10-23-2006, 12:42 AM
Yeah, good idea. The guy's an expert journalist, so let's overlook him supporting revealing secret national security programs. Request denied, no breaks.

I especially like the part where you say "everyone knew about it anyway", which would mean it wasn't newsworthy in the first place, further making the case that the story shouldn't have run, and that guy you hailed as the "expert journalist" a couple sentences before is really just an idiot who doesn't know what news is.

Public education much?

yeah you're right. i hate those liberals, they're all out for our money. our guns too. :roll:

Paul in Saudi2
10-23-2006, 01:07 AM
It is always good when someone admits their mistakes and changes their mind. Very admirable.

AZRON
10-23-2006, 09:33 AM
rofl Source? haha that is so funny!

Reported 3rd qtr earnings per share.
'06 $0.10
'05 $0.16
Profit
'06 $14 mill.
'05 $23 mil.

Verify at NYTCO.com , click on quarterly results.

Funny to you but I don't think it is to them.

HR24
10-23-2006, 10:11 AM
Brilliant. When will they apologize to Karl Rove for the Valerie Plame bit? Or the supposed CIA 'black sites" story. Or.......the NSA monitoring program.....or the..........etc., etc., etc.,..................

jedisponge
10-23-2006, 09:56 PM
To keep things in track, everyone should know by now that newspaper subscriptions have been spiralling down like crazy for quite a while now. In addition to that piece of info, I would want to see how much has the New York Times internet subscription has risen or dropped, and how other comparable newspapers fared in paper subscriptions as well.

Hollis
10-23-2006, 10:59 PM
I guess I would ask a question to the Liberals in the crowd, what is with all this back peddling with the NYT and BBC? Why do you think those bastions of Liberal institutions are now... admitting to falsifying news to push a agenda.


Bill Clinton, "Monica honey, are we in trouble?"

Hollis
10-23-2006, 11:01 PM
It is always good when someone admits their mistakes and changes their mind. Very admirable.

So a pedophile says to a Judge I am soo sorry, I was wrong. Please set me free.

Paul would you do it? It isn't like they were caught smoking cigarettes behind the barn.

Paul in Saudi2
10-24-2006, 12:56 AM
When people make a mistake in public, it is tough to admit your mistake. It is good and admirable when people do the right thing and take their lumps.

Zoomie
10-24-2006, 07:51 AM
When people make a mistake in public, it is tough to admit your mistake. It is good and admirable when people do the right thing and take their lumps.

Paul, you're just essentially copy and pasting your last post. :roll: I doubt it was tough for him admit this mistake when it was buried in the OpEd section, and another article. It was a calculated gamble in an attempt to repair the damage that had been done.