Req; Kursk in drydock

[Roy Batty]

Anybody have any other pics that show this odd round hole and indent?
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/527/kurski8uy1.jpg

RIP Brave sailors of the Kursk

[Thunder]

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/5904/kazouille1105145210torpille3hm6.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1661/kazouille1105145222torpille4fs6.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9950/1621308holertr150sc7.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7590/kurskudarjs4.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1849/osushkapt7.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4614/kurskdestr5wf2.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1797/kurskdestr3xh3.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6043/kurskdestr4lk1.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4473/kurskdestr1qr7.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9430/018xf6.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1980/46109820020829123759yx8.jpg

[Roy Batty]

Thanks Thunder. Exactly what I was looking for. Kinda strange.

[sferrin]

Not when you consider it was cut in the hull as part of the salvage operation. Some people think that clean cut was made by a MK48 rofl

[3rdMillhouse]

Not when you consider it was cut in the hull as part of the salvage operation. Some people think that clean cut was made by a MK48 rofl

Really!? I mean, some people actually think that? :|

[Canuck Farrier]

what do you guys think happened,was it hit with some sort of weapon.?I do not no much about this incident.RIP to the crew.

[eric_from_texas]

what do you guys think happened,was it hit with some sort of weapon.?I do not no much about this incident.RIP to the crew.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_Kursk_explosion

[sferrin]

Really!? I mean, some people actually think that? :|

Yep. Mostly the tinfoil hat crowd (and probably a good portion of the "OMFG Bush is going to take over the world with ABMs!!!!!!!!" crowd too ;) )

[heavy lift]

RIP to the crew, and I think the US was involved somehow. I am not sure is it was an accidental collision or a mk 48 to the side but seemed to be a lot of hush money sent that way. For the record I don't own a tinfoil hat.

[Superking]

RIP to the crew, and I think the US was involved somehow. I am not sure is it was an accidental collision or a mk 48 to the side but seemed to be a lot of hush money sent that way. For the record I don't own a tinfoil hat.

Haha, then the CIA will have scanned you already!!11

It´s not like subs dont have the capability to go down on their own, there are alot of things that can go awry on a sub.

BTW, if some MK.48 (minus 1 warhead) there would be 1600kg of torpedo stuck inside.

[heavy lift]

LMAO, ok point made and taken. As far as the CIA scan, is that why my Microwave beeps everytime I walk by it?

[Kvakva]

Haha, then the CIA will have scanned you already!!11

It´s not like subs dont have the capability to go down on their own, there are alot of things that can go awry on a sub.

BTW, if some MK.48 (minus 1 warhead) there would be 1600kg of torpedo stuck inside.
I knew i was being watched !!! now my neighbour is gonna get it for being a CIA agent :fork:


is that why my Microwave beeps everytime I walk by it?
You too? :D

[makavelli]

Ouch..this will start a longggggg conversation..

[JVeld]

RIP to all those brave Russian sailors .....

[CruddyLeper]

Damage is consistent with an internal explosion in the forward torpedo room.

Torpedo hits to the front of a vessel are very rare - most homing torpedoes will chase from the rear, NOT attempt a head on collision approach.

Also, siesmograph readings from the Kursk are entirely consistent with the forward torpedo room suffering catastrophic multiple explosions.

Conclusion - no way was a MK48 involved. It is just about possible that there was a collision with a foreign (NATO) submarine but NATO did not report any sub losses nor have there been any sightings of damaged NATO submarines. Given the rather loose information chokehold in NATO services, it is very very unlikely to have happened.

[Kvakva]

It is just about possible that there was a collision with a foreign (NATO) submarine but NATO did not report any sub losses nor have there been any sightings of damaged NATO submarines. Given the rather loose information chokehold in NATO services, it is very very unlikely to have happened.
Well we can only guess. Here is about possible collision http://www.vor.ru/VIS_A_VIS_new/VAlexin.html

[Ddavid]

Well we can only guess. Here is about possible collision http://www.vor.ru/VIS_A_VIS_new/VAlexin.html

If a collision provoked such an explosion of Kursk, the other submarine would be in pieces too and laying close to him.

[DaGreatRV]

I've seen a documentary about it on National Geografic Channel.
They said the fueltank of the torpedo leaked and would would spontaniously combust when it comes in contact with rust.
That triggerd a chain reaction wich sunk the Kursk.

[Kvakva]

If a collision provoked such an explosion of Kursk, the other submarine would be in pieces too and laying close to him.
Thats right "if". If i was the queen of cheese .. ;]
p.s.
Well we can only guess

[Ddavid]

Edit: repost

[CruddyLeper]

If a collision provoked such an explosion of Kursk, the other submarine would be in pieces too and laying close to him.

Perhaps not if the "other" submarine did not suffer same catastrophic chain reaction of exploding torpedoes that caused the damage on the Kursk.

I was speculating that perhaps a collision had set off the reaction - the "other" submarine would most certainly have been damaged but would not necessarily have been sunk.

I would estimate chance of this as less than one in a hundred. Very very unlikely.

[Hawk of prairie]

RIP to the Heros!

[LEGEND]

Large collection from the inside of the damaged sections here:
http://ziza.ru/2007/04/16/kursk_21_foto.html

It says the combined explosion force was 8 kilotonns, in compariosn hiroshima explosion was 12. In the photos you can see inch thick steel plating crumpled like pieces of paper.

[Kolyan]

However much i would want to believe the story of a collision the problem is that the Kursk and other subs of the similar design plan have 2 hulls rather then 1 that is used in western subs (check me on this) however an impact could wreck the other sub much worse then it could ever wreck the Russian sub however an impact as a cause for a chain reaction is plausible

[KMS]

Large collection from the inside of the damaged sections here:
http://ziza.ru/2007/04/16/kursk_21_foto.html

It says the combined explosion force was 8 kilotonns, in compariosn hiroshima explosion was 12. In the photos you can see inch thick steel plating crumpled like pieces of paper.

Amazing!
Great find.

I can't believe that 2/3 of the submarine and all of its missiles were still intact after 8Kt explosion. Say whatever but that is some impressive build quality.

The lucky ones were in the forward section - they have died instantly.
Unlucky ones were in the rear compartments...

RIP

[KMS]

However much i would want to believe the story of a collision the problem is that the Kursk and other subs of the similar design plan have 2 hulls rather then 1 that is used in western subs (check me on this) however an impact could wreck the other sub much worse then it could ever wreck the Russian sub however an impact as a cause for a chain reaction is plausible

It wasn't a collision, pictures speak for themselves.
Faulty torpedo, chain reaction, 118 dead sailors...

[noname]

Perhaps not if the "other" submarine did not suffer same catastrophic chain reaction of exploding torpedoes that caused the damage on the Kursk.

I was speculating that perhaps a collision had set off the reaction - the "other" submarine would most certainly have been damaged but would not necessarily have been sunk.

I would estimate chance of this as less than one in a hundred. Very very unlikely.


If it was a collision, I wouldn't be placing blame on the sub that collided with the Kursk, I would be more concerned for shoddy construction of Russian submarines. If that thing collided and the result was a loss of ships company and the ship, and the other submarine allegedly survived, whew, I would think twice before stepping foot in those death traps.

[Ronguild]

RIP Brave sailors of the Kursk

Never forget :
SUBMARINERS NEVER DIE, THEY JUST GO TO HELL TO REGROUP.

Eternal respect to those men.

[mannelig]

Watch french documentary «Koursk» : un sous-marin n eaux troubles», very interesting.

[Ronguild]

Watch french documentary «Koursk» : un sous-marin n eaux troubles», very interesting.

The way events are depicted is clearly oriented : Colision between one LOS-ANGELES class SSn and KURSK, then a second US sub launches a Mk-48 to cover the escape of the first american.
Strange indeed, facts are shown a subjective manner.
Another conspiracy syndrom.

[oldsoak]

Highly unlikely - anyone firing torpedoes at Russian subs is going to kickstart WWIII - no idiot is going to do that, not without a President or Prime minister hell bent on going to war with the Russians. Collisions have taken place, but thats awhole world of difference to firing a torp. Nice clean holes dont happen with torpedo explosions either - you get a rather big one to let in lots of seawater.
Over here, there was a wave of sympathy for the Russian submariners and their families, particulary amongst serving or ex submariners. May they RIP.

[ZhukovG]

yeS THAT NG channel doc was very cool u guys should watch it
RIP Russian Sailors!


I've seen a documentary about it on National Geografic Channel.
They said the fueltank of the torpedo leaked and would would spontaniously combust when it comes in contact with rust.
That triggerd a chain reaction wich sunk the Kursk.

[EsoognomEhT]

Something taken from another forum where people were discussing a Russian Sub that was docked as a musuem in the UK;


Those Kilo's are everywhere now. Plus with that yank prick and his father selling of acoustic tile schematics they are near invisible when on batteries.

I was learning to specialize in typhoons and later delta's as they were scrapping the type 9's off with the yanks help.

The oscars are ****-heaps. If you still have any contacts try and get a copy of the SOSUS tape of the kursk sinking.

It's bloody horrific, definatly 'htp' torpedos though...nothing sinister involved.

[AMD]

The hole is probably one of those numerous "technological openings" made by rescuers. They were widely discussed during the sub lifting operation.

[MZKT]

Yes, a torpedo hit is unlikely, a collision either (Western SSNs are far smaller then Oscar-II SSGN). There are rumpourse there was an experimental hydrogen-peroxide torpedo on board, germans experimented with hydrogen-peroxide submarines already in WW2 and lost most of the prototypes due to fuel leaks and subsequent explosions.

[Jaguar]

Conspiracy theories are really irritating.

All evidences points to a faulty old drill torpedo. It was common procedure not to close the blast doors because pressure effects when firing. The thing blow off and so the forward section and the command center because those doors were open. Period.

About collision. Does people realize the size and heavy construction of an Oscar-class sub? No western sub could sustain a collision with it without major damage, not to say the 8kt (jeez, is it really correct?!) explosion that happened afterwards.

RIP sailors!

[Jaguar]

Size comparison:

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/270/sublineup01er6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[pooch]

That hole has the telltale signs of a direct hit from a Junkers Mk9eei "Tesla" particle cannon from an ODESSA Class flying disc, likely stationed at the "Hollow Earth ONE" Nazi sasquatch UFO base at the North Pole.