J-10 PLAAF

[J-10]

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[Brozozo]

Just another cheap Chinese rip-off.

I said it before and I'll say it again: "They couldn't properly design a functional piece of kit themselves without ripping-off the Russians or Americans if their next rice harvest depended on it."

[Imshi-Yallah]

Just another cheap Chinese rip-off.

I said it before and I'll say it again: "They couldn't properly design a functional piece of kit themselves without ripping-off the Russians or Americans if their next rice harvest depended on it."

Actually its license built and the first few aircraft were completed by Sukhoi.
Aren't there forum rules regarding racist statements?

[tacticalmanta]

I'd be afraid of the quality issues...I could just imagine controls breaking-off in mid-flight.

[Javehn]

Just another cheap Chinese rip-off.

I said it before and I'll say it again: "They couldn't properly design a functional piece of kit themselves without ripping-off the Russians or Americans if their next rice harvest depended on it."

:roll:
Stupid is a stupid does ... ;)


That was a joint work between Israel and China , after the Lavi project was cancelled . The project was cancelled , but the ideas were transformed to the chinese aircraft project J-10 . So don't worry about the quality of the plane .

[HELEX]

Ist no copy, it is based on the Israeli Lavi project. They sold the Plans to China and they finished it.

[Javehn]

J-10 is different from Lavi by the purpose . There is no bombers in IAF , fighter planes act as a bombers and as fighter place , and Lavi was developed according to that - air suport and bombing aircraft , and after that air fighter plane . China wanted J-10 as first of all air fighter plane , and not mainly as air-ground aircraft . They wanted to replace their J-6/7 aircrafts . .
If i am not mistaken , there is also a see version of J-10 for China first aircraft carrier .

[deutschersoldat]

it looks like a mix of eurofighter, rafale and f16

[tacticalmanta]

Just another cheap Chinese rip-off.

I said it before and I'll say it again: "They couldn't properly design a functional piece of kit themselves without ripping-off the Russians or Americans if their next rice harvest depended on it."

Actually its license built and the first few aircraft were completed by Sukhoi.
Aren't there forum rules regarding racist statements?

1. I would be a little worried about Russian build quality too. Their submarines do not fill me with confidence.

2. Chinese is not a race.

Lomdim anglit beyachad

[HELEX]

But that Plane is quite sexy in its layout.

[Lysander]

Just another cheap Chinese rip-off.

I said it before and I'll say it again: "They couldn't properly design a functional piece of kit themselves without ripping-off the Russians or Americans if their next rice harvest depended on it."

Actually its license built and the first few aircraft were completed by Sukhoi.
Aren't there forum rules regarding racist statements?

I think that you confused the J-10 with the J-11. The J-11 is a license built Sukhoi.



I'd be afraid of the quality issues...I could just imagine controls breaking-off in mid-flight.

I have to find the article, but I read that the finish and quality of the J-11 is of high quality and that representitives from Sukhoi were impressed by the job that the Chinese had done. I will look for the article and post a link once I find it.

[tacticalmanta]

I agree. It is a very fine looking plane. Too bad the test results are secret?

[Imshi-Yallah]

Yep my mistake about the J-10/J-11 but then again the fact that IAI designed it just highlights the innacuracy of the original comment.

[Saranof]

2. Chinese is not a race.



Niether are jews, but if I said that jews buildt crappy tanks I'd be rightfully hanged, reeht?
What makes chinese different?

[tacticalmanta]

2. Chinese is not a race.



Niether are jews, but if I said that jews buildt crappy tanks I'd be rightfully hanged, reeht?
What makes chinese different?

1. You'd be a liar since the Merkava 4 is an awesome tank.

2. There are many different races (and religions) in China. Being Chinese is a nationality.

[Javehn]

2. Chinese is not a race.



Niether are jews, but if I said that jews buildt crappy tanks I'd be rightfully hanged, reeht?
What makes chinese different?

Seriosly , how stupid someone must be to write that observation ??
Does some people sometimes think before they post their observations forever ? :roll:

[wholagun]

this plane looks like F16/Euro fighter in one, doesn't anyone else think that?

[Backis]

It is unclear what specific technologies and systems Israel has provided, although it is reported that the Jian-10's radar and fire-control system is the Israeli-made ELM-2021 system, which can simultaneously track six air targets and lock onto the four most-threatening targets for destruction.

rofl

Guess the Chinese didn't get top line gear even from the Israelis. (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/j-10.htm) ;)

[Backis]

this plane looks like F16/Euro fighter in one, doesn't anyone else think that?


Seems like some prototypes may have been even more similar to the EF... this is a bleedin lookalike. Photoshop? :?

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/j-10-takeoff.jpg

[Lysander]

this plane looks like F16/Euro fighter in one, doesn't anyone else think that?


Seems like some prototypes may have been even more similar to the EF... this is a bleedin lookalike. Photoshop? :?

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/j-10-takeoff.jpg

That is a photoshop of a Typhoon. It is not a J-10 prototype or anything rerlated to the J-10.

[Backis]

Thought as much... somebody should tell FAS! ;)

[Lysander]

Thought as much... somebody should tell FAS! ;)

I thought that they had removed this picture from that site. I can't belive it is still there. :cantbeli:

[elguapo]

Great article on the j-10

http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news002/news095.htm

[tooms]

Just another cheap Chinese rip-off.

I said it before and I'll say it again: "They couldn't properly design a functional piece of kit themselves without ripping-off the Russians or Americans if their next rice harvest depended on it."


Japanese copied western's productions too, and now they are the best in some tech activities.

China spends more and more in R&D, in the futur, they will probably design very good planes.

[RuSoKaR]

Does anyone have anyideas how much of J-10s do they have?

[Lysander]

Does anyone have anyideas how much of J-10s do they have?

I don't know, but I would say a couple dozen. (This is a guess on my part.)

[Hugh Jorgan]

Will these aircraft be available at Wal-Mart any time soon? :)

[MaDuce]

30% of Chinas economy is counterfieting.

[Zmey]

Just another cheap Chinese rip-off.

I said it before and I'll say it again: "They couldn't properly design a functional piece of kit themselves without ripping-off the Russians or Americans if their next rice harvest depended on it."


*Sigh* It was rude, un-PC and offensive. But it's funny, observative and above all accurate. I like it.

Z.S.

[SpikeATGM]

2. Chinese is not a race.



Niether are jews, but if I said that jews buildt crappy tanks I'd be rightfully hanged, reeht?
What makes chinese different?

1. You'd be a liar since the Merkava 4 is an awesome tank.

2. There are many different races (and religions) in China. Being Chinese is a nationality.


there are also ethnic korean and chinese living in japan for generations. So is Japan a definaition of nationality?

[Desertpilot]

Is Japan a nation? yes. Then people who are citizen's of JAPAN can be catagorized as being of that "nationality". Do you people see the difference between race and nationality? :(

Seriously, is it because you speak english as a second language? This is not a dig at anyone, but a serious question. It seems that a lot of arguments on this board start because of someones poor grasp of the english language. :roll:

[tacticalmanta]

This is kind of interesting, as I used to live in Japan. The Japanese do not accept Koreans and Chinese living in their country, for any length of time, as Japanese. In fact, the "Japanese" people discriminate against them quite often. Likewise, the Ainu were never accepted as being Japanese.

Japan is a Jus Sanguinus country (citezanship by blood), whereas China is a Jus Solis country (citezanship by land).

But the important word here is citezanship, and not ethnicity or race.

[cheukkin]

This is kind of interesting, as I used to live in Japan. The Japanese do not accept Koreans and Chinese living in their country, for any length of time, as Japanese. In fact, the "Japanese" people discriminate against them quite often. Likewise, the Ainu were never accepted as being Japanese.

Japan is a Jus Sanguinus country (citezanship by blood), whereas China is a Jus Solis country (citezanship by land).

But the important word here is citezanship, and not ethnicity or race.

I don't know where the citezanship come from, but I know that more than 80% of chinese is race of HAN, and when you talking about chinese, you probable talking about HAN . So that is the race. And i am the chinese and i stongly feel we are talking about the race despite of your "knowledge".

[tacticalmanta]

Then you are hyper sensitive freak.. and a chauvanist yourself. Han Chinese have quite a history of oppressing other ethnicities in China. Likewise, not all the Imperial Dynasties of China were from Han Chinese rulers and you should know what happened there. While we are on the subject, being Han Chinese is an ethnicity (maybe) and not a race.

Let's talk about Tibet and Manchuria if you want to get technical.

However, the point is that Chinese is not a race. You can think it is one, but you could also think Communism is the best form of government.

[J-10]

However, the point is that Chinese is not a race. You can think it is one, but you could also think Communism is the best form of government.

In fact, China is not a real Communism country now, maybe it seems like so.

[tacticalmanta]

In fact, China is not a real Communism country now, maybe it seems like so.

I think that is what started this discussion. The lack of genuine products in China.

[J-10]

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[cheukkin]

Then you are hyper sensitive freak.. and a chauvanist yourself. Han Chinese have quite a history of oppressing other ethnicities in China. Likewise, not all the Imperial Dynasties of China were from Han Chinese rulers and you should know what happened there. While we are on the subject, being Han Chinese is an ethnicity (maybe) and not a race.

Let's talk about Tibet and Manchuria if you want to get technical.

However, the point is that Chinese is not a race. You can think it is one, but you could also think Communism is the best form of government.

[cheukkin]

However, the point is that Chinese is not a race. You can think it is one, but you could also think Communism is the best form of government.

You are right. I really think communism party is the best government in china history so far. If you don't believe, go to china and ask the people. That is not the joke!! Communism party in china is so different from 20-30 year ago!!

[Brozozo]

However, the point is that Chinese is not a race. You can think it is one, but you could also think Communism is the best form of government.

You are right. I really think communism party is the best government in china history so far. If you don't believe, go to china and ask the people. That is not the joke!! Communism party in china is so different from 20-30 year ago!!

You're just saying that because you've never experienced any other government.

[Vintendo]

However, the point is that Chinese is not a race. You can think it is one, but you could also think Communism is the best form of government.

You are right. I really think communism party is the best government in china history so far. If you don't believe, go to china and ask the people. That is not the joke!! Communism party in china is so different from 20-30 year ago!!
Wow, how stupid can you be. The reason why China is so different from 20 years ago is because of CAPITALISM. China opened its market and now it's prospering. The government hasn't changed much. People still can't speak up against the government with out being taken away in the night.

[xjym2002]

I agree. It is a very fine looking plane. Too bad the test results are secret?

Most of PLA info is used to be kept as secret by the government. It's changing now, or nobody would see these pics.

[xjym2002]

However, the point is that Chinese is not a race. You can think it is one, but you could also think Communism is the best form of government.

You are right. I really think communism party is the best government in china history so far. If you don't believe, go to china and ask the people. That is not the joke!! Communism party in china is so different from 20-30 year ago!!

So which government is more communism? The one now or 20-30 years ago?

[SpikeATGM]

This is kind of interesting, as I used to live in Japan. The Japanese do not accept Koreans and Chinese living in their country, for any length of time, as Japanese. In fact, the "Japanese" people discriminate against them quite often. Likewise, the Ainu were never accepted as being Japanese.

Japan is a Jus Sanguinus country (citezanship by blood), whereas China is a Jus Solis country (citezanship by land).

But the important word here is citezanship, and not ethnicity or race.



The fact they are Japan citizen be it whether they are treated like a second class citizen is another matter.

Some of the "true blue" Japanese have chinese ancestry.

There is simply no country in this world with only a single race.

[kkdd]

YES ! The Chinese communism party is total different with before....
Comparatively speaking ,It is more like capitalism and collectivism.
If you have the right in China. It is easy to get everything you want.....

[J-10]

YES ! The Chinese communism party is total different with before....
Comparatively speaking ,It is more like capitalism and collectivism.
If you have the right in China. It is easy to get everything you want.....

Yes, you are right! :lol:

[cheukkin]

However, the point is that Chinese is not a race. You can think it is one, but you could also think Communism is the best form of government.

You are right. I really think communism party is the best government in china history so far. If you don't believe, go to china and ask the people. That is not the joke!! Communism party in china is so different from 20-30 year ago!!

You're just saying that because you've never experienced any other government.

No I am living in Hong Kong , and study in Canada before. And working in china sometime. I think I have more understanding and objective observation about China than you.
Also the name or background of government Party is not important at all, the most important thing is the people living is improving dramaticly in China in this two decades, and people is happy about it. The way running china is not Communism or Capitalism But Pragmatism!!!

[J-10]

"The way running china is not Communism or Capitalism But Pragmatism!!!"

Yes! Pragmatism!

[tacticalmanta]

This is kind of interesting, as I used to live in Japan. The Japanese do not accept Koreans and Chinese living in their country, for any length of time, as Japanese. In fact, the "Japanese" people discriminate against them quite often. Likewise, the Ainu were never accepted as being Japanese.

Japan is a Jus Sanguinus country (citezanship by blood), whereas China is a Jus Solis country (citezanship by land).

But the important word here is citezanship, and not ethnicity or race.



The fact they are Japan citizen be it whether they are treated like a second class citizen is another matter.

Some of the "true blue" Japanese have chinese ancestry.

There is simply no country in this world with only a single race.


Dude, have you been reading? Japanese is not a race!

[Operation Ivy]

So J-10 or xjym2002 what other modern planes do u have in your inventory? :D

[xjym2002]

So J-10 or xjym2002 what other modern planes do u have in your inventory? :D

As far as I know, there's nothing more modern than J10 and Su-27/30(J11). For warbirds, the most important part would be electronic gear, which I have little knowledge about.

[SpikeATGM]

This is kind of interesting, as I used to live in Japan. The Japanese do not accept Koreans and Chinese living in their country, for any length of time, as Japanese. In fact, the "Japanese" people discriminate against them quite often. Likewise, the Ainu were never accepted as being Japanese.

Japan is a Jus Sanguinus country (citezanship by blood), whereas China is a Jus Solis country (citezanship by land).

But the important word here is citezanship, and not ethnicity or race.



The fact they are Japan citizen be it whether they are treated like a second class citizen is another matter.

Some of the "true blue" Japanese have chinese ancestry.

There is simply no country in this world with only a single race.


Dude, have you been reading? Japanese is not a race!

First you say chinese is not a race and then you say Japanese is not a race.

i seriously do not know what are you reading in the first place.

[tacticalmanta]

Neither Chinese nor Japanese are races. Learn English.

[spectre5]

Aren't they both Asian races? (nothing rasist about that comment!)

[tacticalmanta]

both ethnicities are Asian, correct.. or if you want to piss people off, say Oriental.

[J-10]

http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-04-14/108190620320044149154883889.jpg

China WS-10A turbofan engine

Russia AL-31F turbofan engine

[SpikeATGM]

Neither Chinese nor Japanese are races. Learn English.

It not about the standard of your english that i am impress, but it the stupidity of your twisted view i find rather amusing

[oldsoak]

The PRC are doing only what any sensible government would do when it comes to an issue of national security. If you cannot develop a technology locally, you buy it in. If you cant buy it in, you copy it if you can. BTW, the PRC has come a long way in terms of being able to produce quality high end products. They also see no reason to re-invent the wheel.

[tacticalmanta]

Neither Chinese nor Japanese are races. Learn English.

It not about the standard of your english that i am impress, but it the stupidity of your twisted view i find rather amusing

Twisted because I used English correctly, or twisted because I think the Chinese Imperial machine that occupies Tibet is stupid for dreaming of control of Taiwan?