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HELEX
04-10-2004, 05:17 PM
Al-Sadr wants Saddam tried, a date occupation ends, followers freed
By Kianne Sadeq
CNN Baghdad Bureau
Saturday, April 10, 2004 Posted: 4:38 PM EDT (2038 GMT)

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose militia has been fighting with U.S. troops throughout Iraq, issued demands to the coalition through his deputy on Saturday.

Al-Sadr accuses the coalition of starting the violence, and said the coalition's shutdown of a pro-Sadr newspaper was the catalyst.

Clerical deputy Sheikh Raed al-Kadhim, interviewed by CNN, said the al-Sadr people "have a peaceful position" and al-Sadr is a peaceful man.

Among other points, al-Kadhim said the cleric wants "to get back the voice of Iraq" and to have Saddam Hussein tried in a Supreme Court.

Al-Sadr is also asking for release of all of his followers who have been arrested and for a guaranteed date for withdrawal of occupation forces from Iraq.

Al-Sadr had called on his followers Friday to go on a three-day hunger strike if they choose as a protest to their treatment by the coalition, al-Kadhim said.

"The attacks began by the occupying forces. It all started with the false accusations and the shutdown of the Al Hawza newspaper," al-Kadhim said, referring to Coalition Provisional Authority administrator Paul Bremer's two-month shutdown of the Baghdad newspaper, published by al-Sadr supporters, for inciting violence.

Al-Kadhim said coalition forces "have killed innocent people, women, and children ... and still our position remains one that is trying to be peaceful, but they don't let us."

"The occupying forces have attacked al-Kufa, Najaf, here in Baghdad, and in many other cities, and they are the ones who initiated everyone of those attacks by the orders of (President) Bush and everyone till the last official representative they have here."

Al-Sadr and his Mehdi Army militia over the last week have been fighting with coalition-led forces in the cleric's bastions of support, among them Sadr City in Baghdad, Najaf, Karbala, Kut and Nasiriya. U.S. forces are in the process of retaking Kut from Sadr forces, which still have some control in the holy Shiite cities of Najaf and Karbala. (Full story)

"We are in the position of defending ourselves against all those who confront us," al-Kadhim said. "What are we supposed to do when the helicopters shoot at us? We say and we advise that all they need to do is to stop what they are doing and this problem will be solved."

Also, the Coalition Provisional Authority said early in the week that an Iraqi judge has issued an arrest warrant for al-Sadr in connection with the 2003 murder of another cleric at a mosque in the city of Najaf. Iraqi police have arrested al-Sadr aide Mustafa al-Yacoubi in connection with the same murder.

But al-Kadhim said al-Sadr is a "symbol" of the Iraqi people and all attacks again him are wrong.

"They still threaten to arrest Sayid Muqtada al-Sadr and make false accusations against him. They say that Sayid Muqtada al-Sadr is representing a minority but I am telling you that Sayid Muqtada has an army of 26 million people and anyone who accuses him or attacks him is attacking and accusing all of the Iraqi people," Al-Kadhim said.

"Muqtada has not ever committed attacks against anybody he has always been a symbol of peace and he always says that he is responsible for the safety of all demonstrations.

Al-Kadhim passed along these demands from al-Sadr.

Referring to the Iraqi people, he said "I demand in your name":


"To get back the voice of Iraq and for the previous dictator and have Saddam Hussein tried in a Supreme Court.


"For a stop to this terrorism and to release all those of al-Sadr followers who have been arrested. They are not guilty of anything but accepting Allah.


"Not to bury the voice of the Iraqi people under the ground of the politicians and the diplomats. You must organize an Iraqi constitutional government away from these occupation forces or any other wing.


"To choose who you want and not to let anyone impose on you who your leader is.


"The investigation of the crimes of the occupation forces and bring justice to those who have committed the crimes.


"A guaranteed date of departure of the occupying forces.

Al-Sadr is the son of Shiite imam Muhammad Baqr al-Sadr, a prominent leader assassinated in 1999. The Sadr City neighborhood in Baghdad is named after the father.

"What made us all follow his father and sacrifice our families and our children is because here was a person who was genuine and honest with all goodness. We follow his son," al-Kadhim said.

Webley
04-10-2004, 05:19 PM
We really ought to make a few of them mysteriously disappear.

Make an example out of a few, the others will quiet down.

scm77
04-10-2004, 05:25 PM
We will not negotiate with terrorists, we will DESTROY them. Unless they try to fight back. :cantbeli:

budanski
04-10-2004, 05:33 PM
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American Patriot
04-10-2004, 05:36 PM
al-Sadr is feeling the heat. rofl

He will be arrested soon by the Iraqi police.

TALOS
04-10-2004, 05:37 PM
Mucktard and his cronies are peaceful? what scares me is all the morons who will be sucked in by that and I dont mean Iraqis, o god, work tomorrow is gonna be hell.

Yard Ape
04-10-2004, 05:42 PM
We really ought to make a few of them mysteriously disappear.

Make an example out of a few, the others will quiet down.Make an example of "a few of them" and more of "them" will join the insurgents. What you suggest is murder. I am not going to open a death-penalty discussion, but your recomendation is not even done through a legitimate court of law.

TALOS
04-10-2004, 05:46 PM
We really ought to make a few of them mysteriously disappear.

Make an example out of a few, the others will quiet down.Make an example of "a few of them" and more of "them" will join the insurgents. What you suggest is murder. I am not going to open a death-penalty discussion, but your recomendation is not even done through a legitimate court of law.

Just a warning to those not Canadian, many Canadians are against the death penalty and believe that murderers should be treated with more dignity then our homeless or innocent victims of crime.

Webley
04-10-2004, 05:48 PM
We really ought to make a few of them mysteriously disappear.

Make an example out of a few, the others will quiet down.Make an example of "a few of them" and more of "them" will join the insurgents. What you suggest is murder. I am not going to open a death-penalty discussion, but your recomendation is not even done through a legitimate court of law.


This is war and you can't be squeemish about killing a few SOB's.

Notice that these mullahs do not put themselves on the front line. What they do is to get others to strap on bombs and go on suicide missions.

Now you do have a point about being too obvious by openly killing them as it will radicalize many more. This is why it must be discreetly done, which is why I say they should "mysteriously vanish".

If you just kill these SOB' in front of everybody, then they might get suspicious. ;)

Yard Ape
04-10-2004, 05:50 PM
Al-Sadr accuses the coalition of starting the violence, and said the coalition's shutdown of a pro-Sadr newspaper was the catalyst.

Clerical deputy Sheikh Raed al-Kadhim, interviewed by CNN, said the al-Sadr people "have a peaceful position" and al-Sadr is a peaceful man. I'm not buying any of this. I have heard good arguments from US military pers who admit that there were better options than forcibly closing a news paper, but I belive it was an Iraqi authority that made that call. Regardless, he instigated the violence to make himself a hero and avoid jail time for a murder. Not a very "peaceful position."


Among other points, al-Kadhim said the cleric wants ... to have Saddam Hussein tried in a Supreme Court. Seems fair, but he could have found a better route to ask for this.


Al-Sadr is also asking for release of all of his followers who have been arrested Can't see this. It they've been arrested for the violence, then that is where they belong.


Al-Sadr had called on his followers Friday to go on a three-day hunger strike if they choose as a protest to their treatment by the coalition, al-Kadhim said. what a saint. :roll:

Yard Ape
04-10-2004, 05:54 PM
This is war and you can't be squeemish about killing a few SOB's.You mean political assasination?


Now you do have a point about being too obvious by openly killing them as it will radicalize many more. This is why it must be discreetly done, which is why I say they should "mysteriously vanish".

If you just kill these SOB' in front of everybody, then they might get suspicious. ;)and, you suppose the Iraqi people are too stupid to figure it out?

HELEX
04-10-2004, 05:54 PM
He will be arrested soon by the Iraqi police.

That Police which is shooting right now at coalition Troops? :lol:

American Patriot
04-10-2004, 05:59 PM
He will be arrested soon by the Iraqi police.

That Police which is shooting right now at coalition Troops? :lol:

Please don't turn this into a flame war. I'm talking about our crony collaborator puppet Iraqi police who are loyal to us, ok?

Webley
04-10-2004, 06:45 PM
This is war and you can't be squeemish about killing a few SOB's.You mean political assasination?

This is a war you know


Now you do have a point about being too obvious by openly killing them as it will radicalize many more. This is why it must be discreetly done, which is why I say they should "mysteriously vanish".

If you just kill these SOB' in front of everybody, then they might get suspicious. ;)and, you suppose the Iraqi people are too stupid to figure it out?


It was a joke. But remember that it was some Sunni muslim terrorists had bombed a Shiite mosque not too long ago. If a shiite muslim cleric to vanish, they will of course suspect the coalition forces. Yet there will always be some doubt as they know it could have been the Sunni muslims.

If the radical mullahs to mysteriously vanish, many will be suspicious of the coalition forces. Yet much of the population won't mind too much if it is just the violent radicals that vanish and if it is done discreetly.

Yard Ape
04-10-2004, 06:47 PM
You are fooling yourself.

Webley
04-10-2004, 06:54 PM
You are fooling yourself.


You are wrong because the tensions between Sunni and Shiite muslims can be exploited.

Also, most Iraqi's are war weary and just want peace. It is the radicals that cause problems and the problem can be solved by discreetly removing the radicals.

Rantanplan
04-10-2004, 07:36 PM
The Image of the Marines is great. Could sombody post the orginal Picture please, if its possible? Thanks.

Haiw
04-10-2004, 09:11 PM
You are fooling yourself.


You are wrong because the tensions between Sunni and Shiite muslims can be exploited.

Also, most Iraqi's are war weary and just want peace. It is the radicals that cause problems and the problem can be solved by discreetly removing the radicals.
So basically what you are saying is; go on a whole undercover war ala Swordfish, and then exploit their internal differences so they'll blame eachother so the whole country can drop down in a violent civil war?
Damn, I wish I could think up such brilliant plans. :(