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seruriermarshal
04-10-2004, 08:16 PM
Al-Qa’ida: Islamic State Will Control the World

The key ideologist of Al-Qa’ida, Lewis ‘Atiyyatullah (a pseudonym), has published an article in the Global Islamic Media Internet forum, in which he reveals Al-Qa’ida’s perception of the international balance of power at present and in the future. ‘Atiyyatullah sees the future very clearly: the balance of power will change; the international system built-up by the West since the Treaty of Westphalia will collapse; and a new international system will rise under the leadership of a mighty Islamic state.

And all of that will occur within a few years -- maybe a few decades.

The article is called, “So Said Al-Qa’ida: A Letter to Reuven Paz.” Dr. Paz is an Israeli scholar who heads the Project for the Research of Islamist Movements – PRISM. “I wrote you this open letter because you were one of the first of those who showed interest in Osama Bin Laden’s old article entitled ‘The New International Regime’…and you advocated that those in the U.S. and Europe interested in Al-Qa’ida must read the article seriously…” explained ‘Atiyyatullah.


Wake up and smell the coffee

The top ideologist writes that contrary to common sense and the situation on the ground, both the West and the Muslim world do not perceive the change that has already occurred. According to ‘Atiyyatullah, there were two kinds of responses to Al-Qa’ida’s writings in the past. The first, from Westerners who completely ignored the writings of Al-Qa’ida’s great thinkers and strategists. They branded those writings as naïve attempts to present Al-Qa’ida in an unrealistic manner. They referred to Al-Qa’ida’s activities as mindless terror.

The second kind of response, says ‘Atiyyatullah, was that of Muslim thinkers. They saw those writings as fictitious, or as wishful thinking. “They mocked us and said: ‘They [the Americans] toppled Taliban and forced Bin Laden to seek refuge in a cave.’” ‘Atiyyatullah responds to this saying, “Al-Qa’ida does not wage wars similar to other wars…Al-Qa’ida is completely willing to sustain the war for many years…The war will be won by the side which will be able to bear the pain longer.”

‘Atiyyatullah finds it difficult to understand how it is that the West has not yet admitted its defeat. His explanation and analysis is as follows: The West suffers from a grave problem. This problem originates from its long-time superiority in many domains including army, politics, intelligence, and economics. This superiority, says ‘Atiyyatullah, made the West think all the rest were inferior, stupid. That is why the West is now suffering from cultural and strategic confusion. That is also why it cannot admit to its defeat, and persists in seeing it as a mere security problem, which can be solved by international cooperation.

The West will eventually realize its mistake, but it will be to late, says the ideologist. “The West will not understand that its dominance is effectively defeated, until the U.S. will suffer a second attack.” Only then will the Muslim people also understand that they have the capability to win over the West, says ‘Atiyyatullah.


Al-Qa’ida – one beast, many heads

‘Atiyyatullah, the ideologist, sees great importance in Al-Qa’ida’s modus operandus, which does not rely on one leader. He explains that the arrest of one leader does not mean activities cease. “Each activist in Al-Qa’ida is trained in a manner that will allow him to become a leader once another leader falls.” ‘Atiyyatullah warns that the day will come when analysts will talk of the rise of the third generation of Al-Qa’ida. “This generation will be hard to deal with as it will be unknown to most of the Arab and international intelligence organizations.”

Rumsfeld the clown, Bush the stupid

The entire article is characterized with contempt for the U.S. and the West, accusing it of not understanding – or refusing to admit – their defeat. “Al-Qa’ida won its greatest victory after 9/11, when it succeeded in isolating the U.S. from the rest of the world. The U.S. has become similar to a scab-ridden dog which everyone tries to avoid, and Rumsfeld turned into a clown in the eyes of the world, when he said the war on Iraq is ‘a good thing’.”

And as for President Bush, Al-Qa’ida turns out to be his biggest fan. It even hopes Bush wins the next election. Why? “We hope Bush stays in power, as he is our favorite enemy…Osama Bin Laden once said: ‘Thank God for providing us with such a stupid enemy’.”

Our goal – world dominance

And with such enemies, Al-Qa’da’s principal ideologist anticipates no major obstacles in the way of the organization to achieving its strategic aims: breaking the existing world order, uprooting Western dominance in the world and bringing the Muslim world to its natural position as the world’s leading power.


Reuven Paz responds

A few days after this letter to Dr. Paz was submitted, he responded with his own open letter addressed to ‘Atiyyatullah.

His letter was republished in many Islamic forums. Paz asked him “Does Al-Qa’ida support your analysis?...I picture in my mind the image of Osama [Bin Laden], sitting in one of his caves holding your article which was addressed to an Israeli Jew, and reading it thoroughly. He must have smiled and said to one of his aides, ‘[B]rother Lewis is wearing me out…he promised in our name that America will soon find itself out of the political scene.’

Paz ended his short letter with this remark: “It seems you mix reality with fiction.”

Will the Israeli scholar and the Al-Qa’ida thinker continue their published correspondence with one another through the internet? The Media Line will follow this story as it develops.

cut
04-10-2004, 08:20 PM
lol, if it were that easy, they would get topple staight away by the next group of unsatisfied people.

Trident-za
04-10-2004, 08:21 PM
Well, I hope this comes to pass no sooner than several decades after I'm not around anymore.

UkrainianAmerican
04-10-2004, 08:24 PM
Hehe, the only thing they can "control" is a camel, during intercourse.

Rantanplan
04-10-2004, 08:24 PM
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3. Don't post threads with TITLES IN ALL CAPS.

MaDuce
04-10-2004, 08:25 PM
They would probably have funny civil wars i mean large armies of suicide bombers marching on each other

UkrainianAmerican
04-10-2004, 08:26 PM
They would probably have funny civil wars i mean large armies of suicide bombers marching on each other
Ahhhhh, social darwinism at its best. :D

cut
04-10-2004, 08:27 PM
They would probably have funny civil wars i mean large armies of suicide bombers marching on each other

why would they have suicide bombers if they had armies?

UkrainianAmerican
04-10-2004, 08:29 PM
They would probably have funny civil wars i mean large armies of suicide bombers marching on each other

why would they have suicide bombers if they had armies?
They would have "armies" of suicide bombers.
Get it now? :)

MaDuce
04-10-2004, 08:29 PM
Change comes slowly in the military establishment.

Aussie E
04-10-2004, 08:29 PM
Man, are the feminist going to be pissed haveing to wear burkas all the time

seruriermarshal
04-10-2004, 08:29 PM
They would probably have funny civil wars i mean large armies of suicide bombers marching on each other

why would they have suicide bombers if they had armies?

Their armies kill civilian .

SerbPVO
04-10-2004, 08:30 PM
I welcome the day when a powerful Islamic state will rule the world.

MaDuce
04-10-2004, 08:31 PM
I welcome the day when a powerful Islamic state will rule the world.
Serbia won't rule the world sorry.

UkrainianAmerican
04-10-2004, 08:32 PM
Man, are the feminist going to be pissed haveing to wear burkas all the time
As long as they are not "opressed" and "******ly harassed" by EvilCorp (tm) CEOs they are satisfied.

seruriermarshal
04-10-2004, 08:32 PM
I welcome the day when a powerful Islamic state will rule the world.

Joky ?

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

SerbPVO
04-10-2004, 08:32 PM
Serbia is not an Islamic state.

RuSoKaR
04-10-2004, 08:34 PM
Do not underestimate them and Do not negotiate with the terrorists, then nothing like that will happend.

MaDuce
04-10-2004, 08:34 PM
I welcome the day when a powerful Islamic state will rule the world.

Joky ?

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

He is dead serious.

seruriermarshal
04-10-2004, 08:36 PM
I welcome the day when a powerful Islamic state will rule the world.

Joky ?

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

He is dead serious.

Why ?

Aussie E
04-10-2004, 08:36 PM
SerbPVO, when this great Ismalic state rules the world, how are you going to get your message out without the evil technology of the internet? Through loud speakers from the mosque?

seruriermarshal
04-10-2004, 08:37 PM
Serbia is not an Islamic state.

And now , you hope Serbia become an Islamic state ?

MaDuce
04-10-2004, 08:37 PM
I welcome the day when a powerful Islamic state will rule the world.

Joky ?

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

He is dead serious.

Why ?

Cause he is a peasant in the Mujahidin.

cut
04-10-2004, 08:38 PM
They would probably have funny civil wars i mean large armies of suicide bombers marching on each other

why would they have suicide bombers if they had armies?
They would have "armies" of suicide bombers.
Get it now? :)

suicide bombing is a tactic of terrorists against civilians, or militants against armies, not between two armies.

seruriermarshal
04-10-2004, 08:38 PM
SerbPVO, when this great Ismalic state rules the world, how are you going to get your message out without the evil technology of the internet? Through loud speakers from the mosque?

Perhaps ......

:roll:

seruriermarshal
04-10-2004, 08:40 PM
I welcome the day when a powerful Islamic state will rule the world.

Joky ?

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

He is dead serious.

Why ?

Cause he is a peasant in the Mujahidin.

Really ? He in Iraq ?

MaDuce
04-10-2004, 08:41 PM
No he is in serbia but will prolly go to chechneya.

cut
04-10-2004, 08:41 PM
I welcome the day when a powerful Islamic state will rule the world.

Joky ?

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

He is dead serious.

Why ?

Cause he is a peasant in the Mujahidin.

out of the 6 billion people in the world you'd probably call 5.6 million islamic terrorists, if that were the case america would be a black hole on the map, luckily most of the world is on your side, unless you keep calling them mujahidin

MaDuce
04-10-2004, 08:42 PM
I dont hate all people who dont like/support I dont hate you or even HELEX but serb,Universal openly with death upon the coalition.

seruriermarshal
04-10-2004, 08:46 PM
I welcome the day when a powerful Islamic state will rule the world.

Joky ?

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

He is dead serious.

Why ?

Cause he is a peasant in the Mujahidin.

out of the 6 billion people in the world you'd probably call 5.6 million islamic terrorists, if that were the case america would be a black hole on the map, luckily most of the world is on your side, unless you keep calling them mujahidin

No , nobody calling them mujahidin , Their action tell everybody their are mujahidin .

GrantT
04-10-2004, 09:00 PM
suicide bombing is a tactic of terrorists against civilians, or militants against armies, not between two armies.

So there are rules regarding suicide bombing's cut? :roll:

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
04-10-2004, 09:19 PM
This was a good laugh...thanks guys rofl

cut
04-10-2004, 09:22 PM
I dont hate all people who dont like/support I dont hate you or even HELEX but serb,Universal openly with death upon the coalition.

I have never "openly with (sic) death upon the coaltion". You are a lying **** for suggesting I would. I take great offense to that.

cut
04-10-2004, 09:29 PM
suicide bombing is a tactic of terrorists against civilians, or militants against armies, not between two armies.

So there are rules regarding suicide bombing's cut? :roll:

Well, grant, have you ever heard of an real army that uses suicide bombing as an effective tactic?

Someone suggested that if there was a powerful islamic nation, as a result of al-qaeda terrorism, that they would have suicide bomber armies, which is rediculous, these terrorists aren't stupid, they managed to bomb the US, if we are gong to beat them we should stop thinking of them as mindless idiots and more as evil, twisted, cunning people.

Universal
04-10-2004, 09:40 PM
I dont hate all people who dont like/support I dont hate you or even HELEX but serb,Universal openly with death upon the coalition.

I dislike people who dig up whatever (bull****) articles they could find, so they could post them here and make the muslim religion look bad.
Stop spreading propaganda, there is other things you can talk about.

Universal
04-10-2004, 09:43 PM
I dont hate all people who dont like/support I dont hate you or even HELEX but serb,Universal openly with death upon the coalition.

What are you saying about me? Don't get me wrong, the troops, I love and support with all my heart, its your f*cking government that can suck my big fat c*ck. ;)

UkrainianAmerican
04-10-2004, 09:44 PM
I dont hate all people who dont like/support I dont hate you or even HELEX but serb,Universal openly with death upon the coalition.

I dislike people who dig up whatever (bull****) articles they could find, so they could post them here and make the muslim religion look bad.
Stop spreading propaganda, there is other things you can talk about.
I dont think we need anything more to make "the muslim religion" look bad. I think its followers handled that farely well by themselves.

cut
04-10-2004, 09:49 PM
I dont hate all people who dont like/support I dont hate you or even HELEX but serb,Universal openly with death upon the coalition.

I dislike people who dig up whatever (bull****) articles they could find, so they could post them here and make the muslim religion look bad.
Stop spreading propaganda, there is other things you can talk about.
I dont think we need anything more to make "the muslim religion" look bad. I think its followers handled that farely well by themselves.

do you think that of american muslims? that work in an investment bank in new york (for example)

Universal
04-10-2004, 09:53 PM
Good point cut, always here to back me up. I owe you one.

UkrainianAmerican
04-10-2004, 09:56 PM
I dont hate all people who dont like/support I dont hate you or even HELEX but serb,Universal openly with death upon the coalition.

I dislike people who dig up whatever (bull****) articles they could find, so they could post them here and make the muslim religion look bad.
Stop spreading propaganda, there is other things you can talk about.
I dont think we need anything more to make "the muslim religion" look bad. I think its followers handled that farely well by themselves.

do you think that of american muslims? that work in an investment bank in new york (for example)
Have you heard of CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations)?
Now, I know they dont represent all of Americans muslims, but those who they do represent are scum, pure and simple.

UkrainianAmerican
04-10-2004, 09:57 PM
Good point cut, always here to back me up. I owe you one.
Cause you dont have the brains to back your own ****ty arguments up.

Catch22
04-10-2004, 09:59 PM
Well, grant, have you ever heard of an real army that uses suicide bombing as an effective tactic?

cut, cut ... :cantbeli:

Japanese in WWII Pacyfic theater - not to mention Baka/Kamikaze ;) (best known) but some examples can be given when US were retaking Corregidor - anyway they tend to use sucide tactics when facing utter defeat. It was "honour" motivated suicide and they were encouraged to act so (certain biased image of bushido samurai codex influenced japanese WWII military). It differs form religion based one "featured" by islamic terrorist but you were asking for examples...

obd
04-10-2004, 10:00 PM
Wow, this Al Queada piece is truly a work of strategic and tactical genious....it clearly has no elements of prapaganda at all and is really a well thought out piece that clearly details the end of America and Europe, even the entire western system, is nigh and will be replaced by a radical Islamic state whoe ideals are counter to the principles of life, liberty, and persuit of happiness which most people seek....ROFLMAO. What a joke....... This guy is a total moron. At the very least he bleieves in his cause. I will grant him that.....but not much else.....

The real truth is that he doesnt understand the polar shift that has occurred in America after 9/11.....American society was changed.... we are no longer causality averse when it comes to fighting terror (this does not include Iraq as many Americans question this war as not being part of the war on terror)

The real truth is that Americans will stop at nothing and endure any pain to combat Al Queda. Our men will gladly go to the ends of the earth and endure any and all hardships to fight Al Queda and Islamic terrorists... This includes the nations of Europe, who are currently forming anti terror coalitons among themselves and with America.........

I cant speak for Europe, but in America we dislike Islamic radicalism to a degree that it becomes the most intense and viril hatred I have ever seen....Many American youth sign up to fight this global menace to all that we honor and value, to all that we have built. I myself am considering going to the Sudan to help the Christians who are currently being slaughtered, tortured, mutilated (breast and penile amputations, etc) and raped by radical Sudanese Muslum militias... I already know one former Marine sniper who has been over there a few years and felt very proud of helping protect those people from the Muslum savages ravaging thier lands....

Al Queda will enventually fizzle out, as all radical groups with anarchist type goals eventually do... If you want a good history lesson look up the "Assassins". They were among the earliest known terror groups..........

Universal
04-10-2004, 10:03 PM
Good point cut, always here to back me up. I owe you one.
Cause you dont have the brains to back your own ****ty arguments up.

rofl rofl hahahahahahahaha ur stupid, ur lame, ur immature, ur not worth talking to.

end transmission

seruriermarshal
04-10-2004, 10:06 PM
Good point cut, always here to back me up. I owe you one.
Cause you dont have the brains to back your own ****ty arguments up.

rofl rofl hahahahahahahaha ur stupid, ur lame, ur immature, ur not worth talking to.

end transmission

Perhaps , you laugh at own ......

cut
04-10-2004, 10:22 PM
I dont hate all people who dont like/support I dont hate you or even HELEX but serb,Universal openly with death upon the coalition.

I dislike people who dig up whatever (bull****) articles they could find, so they could post them here and make the muslim religion look bad.
Stop spreading propaganda, there is other things you can talk about.
I dont think we need anything more to make "the muslim religion" look bad. I think its followers handled that farely well by themselves.

do you think that of american muslims? that work in an investment bank in new york (for example)
Have you heard of CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations)?
Now, I know they dont represent all of Americans muslims, but those who they do represent are scum, pure and simple.

what did they do to offend you, watch you're step you're so far saying that you dislike all muslims, except maybe the ones that aren't represented by CAIR.

cut
04-10-2004, 10:28 PM
Well, grant, have you ever heard of an real army that uses suicide bombing as an effective tactic?

cut, cut ... :cantbeli:

Japanese in WWII Pacyfic theater - not to mention Baka/Kamikaze ;) (best known) but some examples can be given when US were retaking Corregidor - anyway they tend to use sucide tactics when facing utter defeat. It was "honour" motivated suicide and they were encouraged to act so (certain biased image of bushido samurai codex influenced japanese WWII military). It differs form religion based one "featured" by islamic terrorist but you were asking for examples...

Don't worry I hadn't forgotten that, but have any other country used kamikaze tactics? Iran-Iraq war? I think what this guy is talking about is a more powerful version of iran. No-one has used kamikaze tactics since the japanese because they are not worth it unless you are fighting against a much greater enemy and even then it's rare for a state to do it.

MaDuce
04-10-2004, 11:10 PM
I dont hate all people who dont like/support I dont hate you or even HELEX but serb,Universal openly with death upon the coalition.

I have never "openly with (sic) death upon the coaltion". You are a lying **** for suggesting I would. I take great offense to that.

I never said you did
BTw sorry if my post wasnt clear. I said that u and HELEX didnt want death on the coalition you just dusagree and debated it realativly civily. I apolagize if I offended you.