Japanese Ramming Hong Kong vessel from disputed islands

[Satellite Weapon]

some news and pics
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20061028TDY01002.htm
H.K. group forced from Japan waters
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r218/rainbowsound/PBjpnchn200610273.jpg

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/27/AR2006102700140.html
An aging fishing trawler had set sail from Hong Kong on Sunday carrying some 20 protesters -- from Hong Kong, the U.S. and Canada and elsewhere -- who claim China's sovereignty over the islands.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r218/rainbowsound/jpnchn200610271.jpg
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20061028a2.html
Claimed by Japan, China and Taiwan, the rocky islets have become a sore point in relations, particularly between Tokyo and Beijing.

[Mahoro]

Too bad China aint doing any shxt in doing these dispute regardless of how their fellow citizen react....:|

[Bohemoth]

some news and pics
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/27/AR2006102700140.html
An aging fishing trawler had set sail from Hong Kong on Sunday carrying some 20 protesters -- from Hong Kong, the U.S. and Canada and elsewhere -- who claim China's sovereignty over the islands.
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Just want to make it clear:
Those commies and other scum on that chartered trawler neither represent the people of Hong Kong nor Taiwan.

The Japs Coast Guard did what they had to do.

[Satellite Weapon]

Back in 1996 protesters plant the flags of the ROC (Taiwan) and the PRC (Mainland) on the main island, but they were later removed by the Japanese authorities. In June 2005 Taiwanese fishermen complained that they were being attacked by the Japanese Naval and threatened Taipei that they'd fly the PRC flag because the mainland offers its fishermen better protection, the ROC responded by dispatching a ROCN frigate into disputed waters (but did not go as far as the islands) after Taiwanese fishing vessels were harassed by Japanese patrol boats. Japan also has other territorial disputes with Korea (Dokdo/Takeshima) and Russia with and the Kurile Islands. While People's Republic of China (and ROC) have disputes with India over Arunachal Pradesh and Aksai Chin.
http://www.roc-taiwan.org.gt/flag-2.gif
China has accused the Japan Coast Guard of injuring activists aboard a Hong Kong ship that tried to visit the Japanese-held islands claimed by both countries
http://www.typhoonma.com/images/Chinese-Flag.jpg
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20061029a5.html
http://www.allstates-flag.com/images/full-size/flags/international/japan.gif
Diaoyutai movement
http://www.twhistory.org.tw/20010423.htm

[somedude]

Just want to make it clear:
Those commies and other scum on that chartered trawler neither represent the people of Hong Kong nor Taiwan.

The Japs Coast Guard did what they had to do.

why do I have a feeling this thread is going to be locked...?

[Hispeed1]

I remembered the same situation going on about the Spratly Islands near the Philippines.

[somedude]

I remembered the same situation going on about the Spratly Islands near the Philippines.

sounds like everyone (China, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Philippines, Vietnam, Russia, etc...) wants to grab the fisheries in that area, not to mention deposits of oil probably...

[Hispeed1]

sounds like everyone (China, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Philippines, Vietnam, Russia, etc...) wants to grab the fisheries in that area, not to mention deposits of oil probably...
You got it. . .

[Hispeed1]

Just want to make it clear:
Those commies and other scum on that chartered trawler neither represent the people of Hong Kong nor Taiwan.
The Japs Coast Guard did what they had to do.

If any vessel/ship sails into a sovereign countries' territorial waters, the said country has the right to take care of business.

[somedude]

If any vessel/ship sails into a sovereign countries' territorial waters, the said country has the right to take care of business.

but what is in dispute here is just whose waters the ship is sailing into...p-)

[SOG]

if china is sniffing around the islands and japan is defending them, then does japan own them? whats the official word? or is there?

[SS1983]

Waiting for a blame war.

[GrimmyRX]

if china is sniffing around the islands and japan is defending them, then does japan own them? whats the official word? or is there?

There is no official word. that's the problem.

[Mobydog]

If the Senkaku/Diaoyu Island were to be argued infront of the ICJ for Ownership. Then China would probably has more rights to the Island than Japan.

The problem is would Japan agree to it ?

From a Japanese Historian ...

The islands which are being called the Senkaku Islands in Japan and to which the Japanese Government claims title have historically been definitely China's territory. As the victor in the 1894-95 war with Ching (China), Japan seized these islands along with Taiwan and the Penghu Islands and incorporated them into Okinawa Prefecture as Japanese territory. The Cairo Declaration jointly issued by China, the United States and British during World War II stipulates the return to China by Japan of all the territory she had stolen from China during and after the Japan-Ching war, including Taiwan and Manchuria. The Potsdam Proclamation issued by the allies stipulates that Japan must carry out the clauses of the Cairo Declaration. These islands have been automatically reverted to China as its territory just as Taiwan has been automatically returned to China from the time Japan unconditionally accepted the Cairo Declaration and the Posdam Proclamation and surrendered to the allies including China. It follows that these islands are territory of the People's Republic of China, the only authority over the entire China
http://www.skycitygallery.com/japan/diaohist.html

By another Japanese
China has based its argument for sovereignty over the Diaoyu islands on four key points: geography, history, usage, and law. Geographically, the islands are closer to Taiwan. In addition to the shorter distance between Taiwan and the Diaoyu islands, the ocean between them is only 200 feet deep. Conversely, the seafloor drops to more than 1000 feet in between Diaoyu and Okinawa. Clearly, the Diaoyu are part of the Chinese continental shelf

The Chinese have been using the Diaoyu islands for centuries. Traditionally, it has been the Taiwanese who have utilized the resources of the islands. Favorable currents invited Taiwanese fisherman to sail around the islands, to plant their nets in its abundant waters, to use them as shelter during storms, and collect medicinal herbs on the rocky shores. Both the PRC and the Republic of China consider Taiwan to be historically linked to the mainland as a Chinese territory. Since Taiwanese have traditionally used the Diaoyu islands, China has the right to claim them as its territory.

Finally, China can prove that it rightfully possesses sovereignty over the Diaoyu islands in law. This point is mainly proven through Japan's consent to the Potsdam and Cairo Declarations in 1945. In these treatises, Japan agreed to return all territory it wrongfully and forcefully took from China. After Japan signed the Treaty of Peace between Japan and the Allied Powers in 1951, and the finalization of the Sino-Japanese Peace Treaty in 1952, Japanese annexation of the territory it acquired before World War II became void. This meant that Taiwan and "all islands appertaining" (Okinawa Reversion Treaty, 111) reverted to Chinese sovereignty. This included the Diaoyu.

China has solid arguments grounded in ancient texts, tradition, and simple geography, while Japan bases its claim on the language, and quite often ambiguity, of international treaties. Whether the Diaoyu islands are returned to the PRC or the Republic of China, the world cannot keep ignoring the legitimate claims these two governments have presented. They have successfully proven that the Diaoyu are historically Chinese territory, and that they were wrongfully taken by the Japanese, and then the United States.http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Shrine/2475/diaoyu.html

By the Chinese

Japan's claim of ownership over the Diaoyu Islands is based on three reasons: First, when Japan found the islands, they were uninhabited. Second, Japan began to put them under its formal jurisdiction after it seized them in 1895. Third, the islands are part of Japan's Ryukyu Islands but not part of the Chinese Taiwan (http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/data/province/taiwan.html) Island, and its ownership over Ryukyu Islands is recognized by the United States (http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/data/usa.html).

These reasons are all groundless.
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200401/09/eng20040109_132225.shtml

[Bohemoth]

Thanks Satellite Weapon and Mobydog for your historical background information.
I just wonder if it's allegedly so clear that the island belongs to China, why don't China send its Navy. The Chicomms aren't that hesitating and diplomatic usually. There is something not quite right in this matter.

[redflash]

Bohemoth, watch your choice of words, or your dirty feces hole wont last long
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belongs to china/tw or not, at least for now, china cannot do anything related to military actions.trade ties between jap and china, international climate and 2008 Beijing olympic and other minor issues wont allow china to swing its sword.

Japan's claim of ownership over the Diaoyu Islands is based on three reasons: First, when Japan found the islands, they were uninhabited. Second, Japan began to put them under its formal jurisdiction after it seized them in 1895. Third, the islands are part of Japan's Ryukyu Islands but not part of the Chinese Taiwan (http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/data/province/taiwan.html) Island, and its ownership over Ryukyu Islands is recognized by the United States (http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/data/usa.html).
add one more, after there are oil reserves found near the island, japs gone wild.

[chidozie]

Japan Strong!!!!

[Seiyuuki]

Bohemoth, watch your choice of words, or your dirty feces hole wont last long

[...] add one more, after there are oil reserves found near the island, japs gone wild.What...pot calling kettle black, oh, the irony.

[Mobydog]

Thanks Satellite Weapon and Mobydog for your historical background information.
I just wonder if it's allegedly so clear that the island belongs to China, why don't China send its Navy. The Chicomms aren't that hesitating and diplomatic usually. There is something not quite right in this matter.Japan having, perhaps, the world's second most Largest modern navy and also the US navy as a force multiplier... helps.

Honestly, China is much more dilpomatic than you think... think of all the friends China had made (Economical or otherwise)... also as you post implied... plenty of 'China Threat' and 'Chicomms' being dished out by the pentagon for challenging US interest and dominence in the China's own region... the irony.

[Kippari]

Operation: Dinner Out, heading this way!p-)

[Bohemoth]

What...pot calling kettle black, oh, the irony.
Haha, thanks for pointing this out.
... and I guess he is so pissed off because his filthy hippy mother was on that trawler rofl.


Japan having, perhaps, the world's second most Largest modern navy and also the US navy as a force multiplier... helps.

Honestly, China is much more dilpomatic than you think... think of all the friends China had made (Economical or otherwise)... also as you post implied... plenty of 'China Threat' and 'Chicomms' being dished out by the pentagon for challenging US interest and dominence in the China's own region... the irony.
They undermine the region with money, right? Then after a decade or so the region is so economically dependent from China that it will turn their back on the US in strategic matters. The only strongholds left will be Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, India, Mongolia, Thailand, The Phillipines and Singapore.

God Bless The Free World!

[redflash]

Haha, thanks for pointing this out.
... and I guess he is so pissed off because his filthy hippy mother was on that trawler rofl.


They undermine the region with money, right? Then after a decade or so the region is so economically dependent from China that it will turn their back on the US in strategic matters. The only strongholds left will be Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, India, Mongolia, Thailand, The Phillipines and Singapore.

God Bless The Free World!
if personal insults are all you can do, you are even worse than some dirty hobo walking on your so called 'free world's' city street, begging for a dollar from some 'hippy'.
your perception about that region is merely based on your immature view of the old cold war ideology. get out of your mom's basement and your bootleg military surplus shop, and see the world with your own eyes, oh , throw out everything in your cardboard box that are labeled 'made in china'
这么喜欢倭寇，你有人生没人养的杂种

[Mobydog]

They undermine the region with money, right? Then after a decade or so the region is so economically dependent from China that it will turn their back on the US in strategic matters.When you talk about US strategic matters.. what are the Strategic matters about ? Containment ? Hegemony ? Ultimately, For who's interests...

The only strongholds left will be Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, India, Mongolia, Thailand, The Phillipines and Singapore.That pretty much covers 3 sides (if you also include India) of China's border and all ocean front.....


God Bless The Free World!You talk as if US don't exercise their influence and meddling in other country's domestic affairs regularly... Free world, indeed.

[Henry's Fork]

I LOL'd at the pictures. Step off Peking.

[SOG]

thanks for the history guys. interesting claims. if theres a decent amount of oil there it should be really interesting. dinner out indeed.

[9mmRifle]

Japan Strong!!!! The Japanese have got much better ships, the PLA-Navy isn't really that great (but its growing quickly). Japan or the JMSDF have some great Destroyers and Amphibious forces. The forces of China work best in their own backyard but exert influence beyond their borders is limited, Chinese are strongest on their home turf where they have one of the most poweful ground forces in the world and a huge army Airforce thousands of airforce personnel and thousands of combat aircraft. The Taiwanese Naval force or Republic of China Navy is also weaker than Japan's. The Japanese ships are some of the best equipped, MSDF training emphasizes both antisubmarine and anti-aircraft warfare, the JMSDF were trained in anti-submarine role during the cold war.


Hong Kong activists to sue Japan for blocking them from landing on disputed islets http://www.chinapost.com.tw/i_latestdetail.asp?id=42091 The recent voyage marked the 10th anniversary of the death of Hong Kong activist David Chan Yuk-cheung, who drowned trying to land on the islands in 1996.The islands are regularly occupied by nationalists from both sides.

[Satellite Weapon]

if china is sniffing around the islands and japan is defending them, then does japan own them? whats the official word? or is there? I don't think the UN or USA can rule on this issue, so the dispute remains

[Ericsson]

this is not the Japanese Navy Or JMSDF
it's the Japanese Coast Gard
the JCG is unequal whit it's professionalism in the world.