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duck
04-11-2004, 11:05 AM
Christians celebrate Easter in Iraq amid fears of Islamic fundamentalism
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BAGHDAD (AFP) - The patriarch of the Chaldean church appealed for an end to bloodshed in the country, as Iraqi Christians celebrated Easter fearful about the rising influence of Shiite Muslim fundamentalism.


At the Church of the Holy Virgin in Baghdad's chic Karrada district, the heart of the capital's Christian area, Emmanuel Delly, hinged his Easter sermon on the urgent need to stem the violence in Iraq (news - web sites).

"The bloodshed must stop," he told the multi-generation but sparse congregation, calling for unity among all Iraqis, without explicitly referring to deadly fighting in the Sunni bastion of Fallujah, west of Baghdad.

Battles which started seven days ago between Iraqi insurgents and US troops in that town have killed more than 400 people and wounded 1,000.

Sporadic gunfire marred a truce declared Sunday in the town and hostile fire brought down a US Apache helicopter gunship.

The church's parish priest, Father Butros Haddad, condemned the loss of life in Fallujah and described the situation as horrible and very sad.

"Our church collected money to buy medicines and supplies for the people living in the town, but we don't have the means to transport the aid," he told AFP, bemoaning the rampant insecurity across Iraq.

Faez Thomas, a 40-year-old electrician, was forthright in his views. His deep-seated fear is the possible emergence of an Islamist government.

"The ascendancy of (radical Shiite cleric) Moqtada Sadr is very dangerous for everyone, Christians as well as Muslims," he said.

"Christians are leaving the country and the majority of them are thinking about emigrating," he said. "Don't forget, the Christian community in Iraq has only one desire: to live in peace".

"If an Islamic Republic emerges, the church must organise a mass departure of Christians," he said.

Asked about the risks of Sadr taking power, Noel Farman Sanaty, deputy editor of a Christian magazine, pointed out that historically, Muslims and Christians have got on well together in Iraq.

"The current crisis is primarily being stirred up by foreigners. We must wait and see if the situation subsides or not," he said.

In his mind, Christians are fixing their hopes on June 30, when the ruling US-led coalition has promised to hand over sovereignty to Iraqis.

"We need to believe in miracles," he said, putting the smaller than normal Easter congregation down to insecurity in Baghdad.

All the shops in Karrada were shut.

He said that Christians fully supported the general strike called by Muslims and effective since Saturday, to denounce the plight of civilians trapped in Fallujah by the US offensive.

The Chaldean Church, is an eastern church linked to the Vatican (news - web sites). It numbers about 700,000 members in Iraq, with smaller communities in Australia, Canada, Egypt, France, India, Iran, Lebanon, Syria the United States. "

UkrainianAmerican
04-11-2004, 11:13 AM
I say we arm the Christians to the teeth, to even the odds out.

Soulhunter
04-11-2004, 12:37 PM
why don't they just turn their second cheek ... ?

soldierandy
04-11-2004, 02:09 PM
Wasn't Tariq Aziz a Christian?

tacticalmanta
04-11-2004, 02:16 PM
Tariq Aziz = Christian, yes... but Saddam's government was secular.

Enter Islam, the most religiously intolerant movement on earth.

Israel armed the Lebonese Christians and see what it got them? More world hatred towards Israel. Europe stood by and let Islam elimante the majority of Christians in Lebanon. When Israel stepped-in to help, Europe condemned Israel. So typical.

SeanAshi
04-11-2004, 03:46 PM
Israel armed the Lebonese Christians and see what it got them? More world hatred towards Israel. Europe stood by and let Islam elimante the majority of Christians in Lebanon. When Israel stepped-in to help, Europe condemned Israel. So typicalYes that is bull****, How many Christians were killed by the Syrians Palestinians, how many christian villages were destroyed, How many Palestinians were killed by the Syrians? Syrias indiscriminate bombing in Lebanon.

One?
04-11-2004, 06:11 PM
Israel armed the Lebonese Christians and see what it got them? More world hatred towards Israel. Europe stood by and let Islam elimante the majority of Christians in Lebanon. When Israel stepped-in to help, Europe condemned Israel. So typicalYes that is bull****, How many Christians were killed by the Syrians Palestinians, how many christian villages were destroyed, How many Palestinians were killed by the Syrians? Syrias indiscriminate bombing in Lebanon.


rofl

11(?) members of the kataeb christian militia opened fire on a bus that was coming from a palestinian convetion. And that was the begining of the lebanese war. Israel armed teh christians because they wanted to sign a peace agreement with gmayel.


And it was the other way around. Christian were randomly killing muslims.

Prime example: ayloul il aswad ... 200+ mulsims killed in 1 day (all civilians stopped at checkpoints). Sabra and chatila massacare (3 days killing muslim civilians). The lebanese forces used to stop random people and execute them based on their religion. So don't give me the BS that muslims killed christians in lebanon.


They didn't succeed in geting the sunnis and shia to fight, now they want it to be muslim vs christian.

IDFM203
04-11-2004, 06:40 PM
And it was the other way around. Christian were randomly killing muslims.


So don't give me the BS that muslims killed christians in lebanon.


ahh??? :roll:

I will not deny that Christians killed Muslims (though they will cliam that it was in reponse to Muslim massceres), but Muslims have done plenty of massacres against the christen there.

Here are just a few of the many examples where Muslims committed massacres against the Christians living there.


In Damur (south of Beirut), for example, a thousand Christian civilians were killed while the armed bands shouted "Allahu Akbar" and "Jihad" (Holy war slogans) Churches were burned down by dozens.

Here are few other examples of massacres commited by muslims aginst christians

1975: Belt Mellat, Deir Eshash Tall Abbas (north Lebanon), Damur (Mount Lebanon)
1976: Chekka (north Lebanon), Qaa, Terbol (Bekaa valley)
1977: Aishye (south Lebanon), Maaser el-Shuf (Shuf Mountain)
1978: Ras Baalbeck, Shleefa (Bekaa valley)
1983: Major massacres in Aley, and the Shuf mountains. Ia addition to the 241 U.S. Marines and 78 French paratroopers savagely assassinated by Hizbollah
1984: Iqlim el-Kharrub (Mourn Lebanon)
1985: East Sidon (South Lebanon)
1990: Matn district

etc etc etc......................


Shalom

Maj12
04-11-2004, 07:27 PM
Israel armed the Lebonese Christians and see what it got them? More world hatred towards Israel. Europe stood by and let Islam elimante the majority of Christians in Lebanon. When Israel stepped-in to help, Europe condemned Israel. So typicalYes that is bull****, How many Christians were killed by the Syrians Palestinians, how many christian villages were destroyed, How many Palestinians were killed by the Syrians? Syrias indiscriminate bombing in Lebanon.

One wrote:





11(?) members of the kataeb christian militia opened fire on a bus that was coming from a palestinian convetion. And that was the begining of the lebanese war. Israel armed teh christians because they wanted to sign a peace agreement with gmayel.


And it was the other way around. Christian were randomly killing muslims.

Prime example: ayloul il aswad ... 200+ mulsims killed in 1 day (all civilians stopped at checkpoints). Sabra and chatila massacare (3 days killing muslim civilians). The lebanese forces used to stop random people and execute them based on their religion. So don't give me the BS that muslims killed christians in lebanon.


They didn't succeed in geting the sunnis and shia to fight, now they want it to be muslim vs christian.


lol...yeah muslims would never kill christians. It's the "religion of peace"!

Iraq Group Threatens Christians Over Falluja Siege
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040410/ts_nm/iraq_christians_threat_dc_2

"Islamic militants burnt down nine churches in the town. "
http://www.worldnews.com/p/3c/9b94e4e8709940.html?id=WNAT54e6b18ad41efdbde141939696e4f9f7

Christians shot in Indonesian church
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1085276.htm

In fact, I'll save you some time. Just run this google query:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=muslims+attack+christians

But I'm sure One will find justification for this.
:cantbeli:

tacticalmanta
04-11-2004, 11:01 PM
The majority of Lebanon used to be Christian.. now it's less than 30%..Just like in Egypt and Syria.. who is killing who?

UkrainianAmerican
04-11-2004, 11:04 PM
Tariq Aziz = Christian, yes... but Saddam's government was secular.

Enter Islam, the most religiously intolerant movement on earth.

Israel armed the Lebonese Christians and see what it got them? More world hatred towards Israel. Europe stood by and let Islam elimante the majority of Christians in Lebanon. When Israel stepped-in to help, Europe condemned Israel. So typical.
Yeah but then who gives a **** about those wieners?

Korth
04-11-2004, 11:28 PM
I say we arm the Christians to the teeth, to even the odds out.

I agree that we should.

One?
04-12-2004, 01:30 AM
And it was the other way around. Christian were randomly killing muslims.


So don't give me the BS that muslims killed christians in lebanon.


ahh??? :roll:

I will not deny that Christians killed Muslims (though they will cliam that it was in reponse to Muslim massceres), but Muslims have done plenty of massacres against the christen there.

Here are just a few of the many examples where Muslims committed massacres against the Christians living there.


In Damur (south of Beirut), for example, a thousand Christian civilians were killed while the armed bands shouted "Allahu Akbar" and "Jihad" (Holy war slogans) Churches were burned down by dozens.

Here are few other examples of massacres commited by muslims aginst christians

1975: Belt Mellat, Deir Eshash Tall Abbas (north Lebanon), Damur (Mount Lebanon)
1976: Chekka (north Lebanon), Qaa, Terbol (Bekaa valley)
1977: Aishye (south Lebanon), Maaser el-Shuf (Shuf Mountain)
1978: Ras Baalbeck, Shleefa (Bekaa valley)
1983: Major massacres in Aley, and the Shuf mountains. Ia addition to the 241 U.S. Marines and 78 French paratroopers savagely assassinated by Hizbollah
1984: Iqlim el-Kharrub (Mourn Lebanon)
1985: East Sidon (South Lebanon)
1990: Matn district

etc etc etc......................


Shalom


Yes I will not deny those, but they were all commited by Druze (mount lebanon, shouf, etc..)

And most muslims do not consider druze to be muslims because their religion is 180 degrees different from Islam. They believe in 5 things that unite god.

One?
04-12-2004, 01:30 AM
The majority of Lebanon used to be Christian.. now it's less than 30%..Just like in Egypt and Syria.. who is killing who?


ummm no. Go get your facts straight. Christians were always a minority in lebanon, thats why the president was chosen to be christian.