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Lazy Lob
10-30-2006, 07:46 AM
Ok lads ‘n ladettes the time has come to modify our behaviour, at least in the UK. Do you think the government is genuinely concerned, assuming the new taxes are fiscally neutral, or do you think it has more to do with a strategic outlook for our future energy needs?


Climate change fight 'can't wait'

The world cannot afford to wait before tackling climate change, the UK prime minister has warned.

A report by economist Sir Nicholas Stern suggests that global warming could shrink the global economy by 20%.

But taking action now would cost just 1% of global gross domestic product, the 700-page study says.

Tony Blair said the Stern Review showed the scientific evidence of global warming was "overwhelming" and its consequences "disastrous".

The report said that rich countries must shoulder most of the responsibility for greenhouse gas emissions.

And chancellor Gordon Brown promised the UK would lead the international response to tackle climate change.

'No time to wait'

The report says that without action, up to 200 million people could become refugees as their homes are hit by drought or flood.

"Whilst there is much more we need to understand - both in science and economics - we know enough now to be clear about the magnitude of the risks, the timescale for action and how to act effectively," Sir Nicholas said.

We have the time and knowledge to act but only if we act internationally, strongly and urgently
Sir Nicholas Stern

"That's why I'm optimistic - having done this review - that we have the time and knowledge to act. But only if we act internationally, strongly and urgently."

Mr Blair said the consequences for the planet of inaction were "literally disastrous".

"This disaster is not set to happen in some science fiction future many years ahead, but in our lifetime," he said.

"Investment now will pay us back many times in the future, not just environmentally but economically as well."

"For every £1 invested now we can save £5, or possibly more, by acting now.

"We can't wait the five years it took to negotiate Kyoto - we simply don't have the time. We accept we have to go further (than Kyoto)."

Large risks

Sir Nicholas, a former chief economist of the World Bank, told BBC Radio Four's Today programme: "Unless it's international, we will not make the reductions on the scale which will be required."

He went on: "What we have shown is the magnitude of these risks is very large and has to be taken into account in the kind of investments the world makes today and the consumption patterns it has."

The Stern Review forecasts that 1% of global gross domestic product (GDP) must be spent on tackling climate change immediately.

It warns that if no action is taken:

* Floods from rising sea levels could displace up to 100 million people

* Melting glaciers could cause water shortages for 1 in 6 of the world's population

* Wildlife will be harmed; at worst up to 40% of species could become extinct

* Droughts may create tens or even hundreds of millions of "climate refugees"

Clear objectives

The study is the first major contribution to the global warming debate by an economist, rather than a scientist.

Mr Brown, who commissioned the report, has also recruited former US Vice President Al Gore as an environment adviser.

There is the greatest opportunity of all, the prize of securing and safeguarding the planet for our generations to come
Gordon Brown

Environment Secretary David Miliband is considering a range of taxes designed to change people's behaviour to offset global warming.

"In the 20th century our national economic ambitions were the twin objectives of achieving stable economic growth and full employment," Mr Brown said.

"Now in the 21st century our new objectives are clear, they are threefold: growth, full employment and environmental care."

He said the green challenge was also an opportunity "for new markets, for new jobs, new technologies, new exports where companies, universities and social enterprises in Britain can lead the world".

"And then there is the greatest opportunity of all, the prize of securing and safeguarding the planet for our generations to come."

Mr Brown called for a long-term framework of a worldwide carbon market that would lead to "a low-carbon global economy". Among his plans are:

* Reducing European-wide emissions by 30% by 2020, and at least 60% by 2050

# By 2010, having 5% of all UK vehicles running on biofuels

# Creating an independent environmental authority to work with the government

# Establishing trade links with Brazil, Papua New Guinea and Costa Rica to ensure sustainable forestry

# Working with China on clean coal technologies
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/business/6096084.stm

Published: 2006/10/30 12:07:33 GMT

© BBC MMVI

Fargin
10-30-2006, 07:52 AM
I don't think politictians will dare mess with the oil industry and the CO2 outlet before we have to build Noa's arcII.

Freedom06
10-30-2006, 08:01 AM
I think a large part of their 'concern' is merely political manoeuvering-similar to the GWOT. Identify and highlight a problem, magnify it (don't get me wrong I am not at all suggesting Global Warming is not a huge problem) in the minds of the voters, and then step in and provide 'the solution' ( kind of like setting up a straw man). Except 'the solution' is not really all it appers to be. That's what the cynic in me says.

Labour doesn't want to be outflanked by Cameron on Green issues-now that they have got that new logo and all.

If they were that concerned about it-why give the go ahead for Heathrow Terminal 5 and all the other airport expansions- they want to have their cake and eat it-on the one hand appearing green, on the other not taking the tough decisions.

Freedom06
10-30-2006, 08:20 AM
It is funny though how politicians never come clean to voters about strategic concerns. They never seem to trust us with being able to make long term decisions about our future energy supply.

You never hear anyone say: "look here, vote for me and I'll end our support for the undemocratic rulers of Saudia Arabia, I'll free us from having our markets held hostage to OPEC and having to turn a blind eye to Putins authoritarianism because we need his gas."

Why is that debate always held behind closed doors? Why not admit that these concerns are part of the bigger picture?

Lazy Lob
10-30-2006, 08:34 AM
I’m getting the feeling that even though we have a bullshyte artist as PM he is beginning to realise that there are some pretty big issues facing the UK (and the planet). Issues that have to be tackled head on. The trouble is that he can’t help himself, he has to tell porkies. It must be his genetic make up. Evolution yoos think? p-)

p.s. how as your night in hell?

Freedom06
10-30-2006, 08:46 AM
I laugh at hell, I spit on it, snap my fingers at it and dance a jig in front of it. Hell -ha!! Hell-no, once you've been through and out the other side, it's just like saying hello to an old friend-no what i mean?

Besides I made a pact with the devil years ago-we're old friends and he agreed to put the Manilow gig on hold.

Fargin
10-30-2006, 08:58 AM
**** scientists, politicans would lift a finger before 65% of the voters demand action. Then they'll respond with tax and price raises and silence the voters. People are way more conserned about gas prices than the tide raising. Wont change till we have to defend the last dry land with arms. :D

oldsoak
10-30-2006, 12:31 PM
The whole lot is a con. What vast investment have we done in r&d for alternative sources, renewables etc ? Feck all. The incentive all parties have for getting us to go green is along the lines of "if a man doesnt like being hung, hang him until he does". Things like breaks on your car-tax are easily swallowed by increased fuel prices. One one thing all parties are agreed on - only the well off are going to be able to afford travel or private transport because it will be "green taxed" out of the reach of the pockets of Joe Bloggs.
rant off...