Israel

[born_to_kill]

Israel is one of the tiniest nations on the face of the earth... only about 8,000 sq. miles, 2½ times the size of Rhode Island and only slightly larger than the Canary Islands! It is only 260 miles at its longest, has a 112-mile coastline, is 60 miles at its widest, and only between 3 and 9 miles at its narrowest [from the Mediterranean Sea to the edge of the "Green Line"! [see map below] A very high-powered rifle could launch a projectile right across the country!


http://masada2000.com/GreenL-opt.gif
a. 3 miles wide here
b. Golan Heights
c. Sea of Galilee
d. Jordan River... Sea of Galilee
to Dead Sea
e. 1967 "Green Line"... the 1949
armistice lines separating
Israel from its heartland of
Judea-Samaria when Jordanian
forces illegally annexed it. After the
1967 Arab-Israeli war, Israel
regained that land... at which time
the world began referring to Judea and
Samaria as the "West Bank" in order to
try to erase any Jewish connection
to this historically Jewish land!
f. 9 miles wide here
g. Tel Aviv
h. Jerusalem
i. Dead Sea
j. Gaza Strip



The surrounding 22 Arab countries are 640 times larger than tiny Israel yet they expect Israel to turn over all the West Bank, Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights and half of Jerusalem... territory they lost after they started the 1967 war!


With a population of less than 5½ million Jews (less than 1/1000th of the world's population) and confronted with 55 years of unrelenting Arab terrorism, she can still proudly claim the following:


An aerial arsenal of over 250 F-16s,
the largest fleet of the aircraft outside of the US.

Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people -- as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of startup companies than any other country in the world, except the US (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).

Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the US.

Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.


Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.

Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.

On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.

Israel has the largest raptor migration in the world, with hundreds of thousands of African birds of prey crossing as they fan out into Asia.

Twenty-four percent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees -- ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland - and 12 percent hold advanced degrees.

Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.


In 1984 and 1991, she airlifted to safety into Israel
a total of 22,000 black Ethiopian Jews.

When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world's second elected female leader in modern times.

Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity.

Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as "conflict free."



When the US Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed by Arabs in 1998,
Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a day
and saved three victims from the rubble.

Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship -- and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.

According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline industry's most impenetrable flight security. US officials now look to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne security threats.

Israel's Maccabi basketball team won the European championships in a977 and 2001.

Israeli tennis player Anna Smashnova is the 15th ranked female player in the world.

Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers was produced by Haim Saban, an Israeli whose family fled persecution in Egypt.


In 1991, during the Gulf War, the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra played a concert
wearing gas masks as scud missiles fired by Saddam Hussein fell on Tel Aviv.

Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.

Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.

Israel has two official languages: Hebrew and Arabic.


Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century
with a net gain in its number of trees. Please plant a tree in Israel

Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.

An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in US hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

Israel's Givun imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used the view the small intestine from the inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.


Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart
pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those
with congestive heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart's
mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.

An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in US hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world (apart from the Silicon Valley).

In response to serious water shortages, Israeli engineers and agriculturalists developed a revolutionary drip irrigation system to minimize the amount of water used to grow crops.

Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.


The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel. In addition, "Project Banias," also carried out at the Israeli Intel Israel Design Center, produced the Intel Centrino processor for laptops.

Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the US, over 70 in Japan, and less than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in this category as well.

The cell phone was developed in Israel by Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel.

Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel.

Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.


Click HERE
The technology for AOL Instant Messenger
was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device, produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrowband blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct -- all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue.

An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in southern California's Mojave desert.

The first PC Anti-virus software was developed in Israel in 1979.

AND LOTS, LOTS MORE!



JEWISH NOBEL WINNERS
From a pool of 12 million Jews
.2% of the World's Population
(2 out of every 1,000 people


Literature

1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer
2002 - Imre Kertesz

World Peace

1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
1995 - Joseph Rotblat

Chemistry

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1972 - William Howard Stein
1972 - C.B. Anfinsen
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Ronald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Herbert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1989 - Sidney Altman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1998 - Walter Kohn
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1973 - Wassily Leontief
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 Rober Fogel
1994 - John Harsanyi
1994 - Reinhard Selten
1997 - Robert Merton
1997 - Myron Scholes
2001 - George Akerlof
2001 - Joseph Stiglitz
2002 - Daniel Kahneman

Medicine

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - David Baltimore
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow
1977 - Andrew V. Schally
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1994 - Martin Rodbell
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
1997 - Stanley B. Prusiner
1998 - Robert F. Furchgott
2000 - Eric R. Kandel
2002 - Sydney Brenner
2002 - Robert H. Horvitz

Physics

1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1945 - Wolfgang Pauli
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1958 - Il'ja Mikhailovich
1958 - Igor Yevgenyevich
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1963 - Eugene P. Wigner
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1967 - Hans Albrecht Bethe
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - Leon N. Cooper
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Georges Charpak
1995 - Martin Perl
1995 - Frederick Reines
1996 - David M. Lee
1996 - Douglas D. Osheroff
1997 - Claude Cohen-Tannoudji
2000 - Zhores I. Alferov
2003 - Vitaly Ginsburg
2003 - Alexei Abrikosov

[MVSpartan117]

Cool beans! Go Israel! :D

[-Max2-]

Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers was produced by Haim Saban, an Israeli whose family fled persecution in Egypt.




Wow, i envy you... rofl

(just kidding ;) )

[Mr. Nielsen]

The surrounding 22 Arab countries are 640 times larger than tiny Israel yet they expect Israel to turn over all the West Bank, Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights and half of Jerusalem... territory they lost after they started the 1967 war!

The West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem as a Palestinian state seems even more tiny, than Israel is.

And the arabs didn't start the 1967 war.

[born_to_kill]

the arabs did start it , israel just took action first.

They were shellling the hell out of our borders.

they were also massing up outside of israel so we didnt wait for them to come in , we struck them first, and hard

[Commander Cool]

That is impressive, however the US gives Israel about $5 billion US every year, for free. Israel cannot claim credibility for all its achievements, because most of that credit goes to the US. Without the US's assistance, Israel would be only slightly ahead of its neighbors.

And by the way, wasn't there an enormous increase in the number of technological accomplishments in Israel in the last 15 years? Just when thousands of Soviets emmigrated from the USSR into Israel (most of who were engineers)? Hmmm...

[ariweiner]

Very impressive list but two points:

1) Israel is subject to international law and thus displacing natives of the captured territories by settling Jews in Palestinian land is illegal.
2) The use of the argument "Look how tiny this state is and look at how big the Arab world is. Why don't the Palestinians settle in Jordan/Syria etc?" is equivalent to someone invading your home and telling you to go settle in neighbors homes, after all there are millions of neighbors homes for you to settle in. This, in a word, is theft.

[cut]

Israel is one of the tiniest nations on the face of the earth... only about 8,000 sq. miles, 2½ times the size of Rhode Island and only slightly larger than the Canary Islands! It is only 260 miles at its longest, has a 112-mile coastline, is 60 miles at its widest, and only between 3 and 9 miles at its narrowest [from the Mediterranean Sea to the edge of the "Green Line"! [see map below] A very high-powered rifle could launch a projectile right across the country!


http://masada2000.com/GreenL-opt.gif
a. 3 miles wide here
b. Golan Heights
c. Sea of Galilee
d. Jordan River... Sea of Galilee
to Dead Sea
e. 1967 "Green Line"... the 1949
armistice lines separating
Israel from its heartland of
Judea-Samaria when Jordanian
forces illegally annexed it. After the
1967 Arab-Israeli war, Israel
regained that land... at which time
the world began referring to Judea and
Samaria as the "West Bank" in order to
try to erase any Jewish connection
to this historically Jewish land!
f. 9 miles wide here
g. Tel Aviv
h. Jerusalem
i. Dead Sea
j. Gaza Strip



The surrounding 22 Arab countries are 640 times larger than tiny Israel yet they expect Israel to turn over all the West Bank, Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights and half of Jerusalem... territory they lost after they started the 1967 war!


With a population of less than 5½ million Jews (less than 1/1000th of the world's population) and confronted with 55 years of unrelenting Arab terrorism, she can still proudly claim the following:


An aerial arsenal of over 250 F-16s,
the largest fleet of the aircraft outside of the US.

Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people -- as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of startup companies than any other country in the world, except the US (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).

Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the US.

Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.


Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.

Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.

On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.

Israel has the largest raptor migration in the world, with hundreds of thousands of African birds of prey crossing as they fan out into Asia.

Twenty-four percent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees -- ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland - and 12 percent hold advanced degrees.

Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.


In 1984 and 1991, she airlifted to safety into Israel
a total of 22,000 black Ethiopian Jews.

When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world's second elected female leader in modern times.

Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity.

Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as "conflict free."



When the US Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed by Arabs in 1998,
Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a day
and saved three victims from the rubble.

Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship -- and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.

According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline industry's most impenetrable flight security. US officials now look to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne security threats.

Israel's Maccabi basketball team won the European championships in a977 and 2001.

Israeli tennis player Anna Smashnova is the 15th ranked female player in the world.

Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers was produced by Haim Saban, an Israeli whose family fled persecution in Egypt.


In 1991, during the Gulf War, the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra played a concert
wearing gas masks as scud missiles fired by Saddam Hussein fell on Tel Aviv.

Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.

Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.

Israel has two official languages: Hebrew and Arabic.


Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century
with a net gain in its number of trees. Please plant a tree in Israel

Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.

An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in US hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

Israel's Givun imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used the view the small intestine from the inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.


Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart
pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those
with congestive heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart's
mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.

An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in US hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world (apart from the Silicon Valley).

In response to serious water shortages, Israeli engineers and agriculturalists developed a revolutionary drip irrigation system to minimize the amount of water used to grow crops.

Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.


The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel. In addition, "Project Banias," also carried out at the Israeli Intel Israel Design Center, produced the Intel Centrino processor for laptops.

Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the US, over 70 in Japan, and less than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in this category as well.

The cell phone was developed in Israel by Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel.

Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel.

Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.


Click HERE
The technology for AOL Instant Messenger
was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device, produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrowband blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct -- all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue.

An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in southern California's Mojave desert.

The first PC Anti-virus software was developed in Israel in 1979.

AND LOTS, LOTS MORE!



JEWISH NOBEL WINNERS
From a pool of 12 million Jews
.2% of the World's Population
(2 out of every 1,000 people


Literature

1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer
2002 - Imre Kertesz

World Peace

1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
1995 - Joseph Rotblat

Chemistry

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1972 - William Howard Stein
1972 - C.B. Anfinsen
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Ronald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Herbert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1989 - Sidney Altman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1998 - Walter Kohn
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1973 - Wassily Leontief
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 Rober Fogel
1994 - John Harsanyi
1994 - Reinhard Selten
1997 - Robert Merton
1997 - Myron Scholes
2001 - George Akerlof
2001 - Joseph Stiglitz
2002 - Daniel Kahneman

Medicine

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - David Baltimore
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow
1977 - Andrew V. Schally
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1994 - Martin Rodbell
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
1997 - Stanley B. Prusiner
1998 - Robert F. Furchgott
2000 - Eric R. Kandel
2002 - Sydney Brenner
2002 - Robert H. Horvitz

Physics

1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1945 - Wolfgang Pauli
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1958 - Il'ja Mikhailovich
1958 - Igor Yevgenyevich
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1963 - Eugene P. Wigner
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1967 - Hans Albrecht Bethe
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - Leon N. Cooper
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Georges Charpak
1995 - Martin Perl
1995 - Frederick Reines
1996 - David M. Lee
1996 - Douglas D. Osheroff
1997 - Claude Cohen-Tannoudji
2000 - Zhores I. Alferov
2003 - Vitaly Ginsburg
2003 - Alexei Abrikosov



wow I never realised how well-off israelis are. and to have so many companies in the nasdaq, that's pretty good for such a small country.

more seriously though...

Why have singled out the jews who have won a nobel prize? Do you want people to think of jews as "them"? Seperating out the nations that have won a prize is okay because our nationalities are what seperates us. But singling out jews for particular attention is asking for trouble.

If you show a list of americans who have one a nobel prize the list will be long, it is a sign of a privileged education, which is fine when you devide it like that because the US is so wealthy it can afford to educate their population well enough to become world beating intellectuals, and the list follows fairly predictably the wealth ladder down.

Everyone is used to this, it allowes us to deal with it, americans don't deserve this, we may think, but we really know that they do because their economy is the strongest in the world, they have worked their way up etc... But we still feel some animosity towards them, but that's ok, we don't have to identify with them, we all should in an ideal world identify with those we work with, the people on our team, our compatriots be they muslim, jewish or christian.

If however you show a list with just jews on this leads people to believe that jews are getting a better deal, "jews are our compatriots and they are getting a better deal how can that be?", you break up the team/unit.

That's why racism is seen as bad in the multi-cultural west it works against the system, competitiveness between states is fine that's why the winners in the olympics have their national flag hoisted up and not a crucifix or a star of david or the aum sign.

Bottom line is the kind of information that sets jews appart from other people creates racism, especially if it's is saying "look very few jewish people in the world, but a big share of the prestige". It is very counter productive especially in places like Europe where we are fighting anti-semitism and this kind of thing fans the flames.

[Sayeret]

Cool post.

[IDFM203]

That is impressive, however the US gives Israel about $5 billion US every year, for free. Israel cannot claim credibility for all its achievements, because most of that credit goes to the US. Without the US's assistance, Israel would be only slightly ahead of its neighbors.

While indeed the U.S. has had a big part in its assistance, I totally disagree with your assertions that without the U.S. Israel would only be slightly ahead of its neighbors.

First understand that Israel only got any major assistance from the U.S. after it had already become a regional power and that was in 1967 and only after Israel won that war did the U.S. overtly assist more fully as we know it does today.

Secondly its not 5 billion a year but its 3 billion a year

(Yes I know about the loans, but they are paid back and secondly its not a yearly occurrence so the statistic does remain at three a year since the 70’s)

Lastly Israel is a 120 billion a year economy and gets 3 billion a year so while indeed its much appreciated, if for whatever reason the U.S. would cut that off, it would be a hit but Israel can certainly survive and it would still remain as it is today as it achived most of that on its own (and as those achievements in that long list show would not change at all)

So 3 out of 120 is not a sign of any full credit going to the U.S. if for anything the opposite is true!!

So IMO Israel does indeed deserve a lot and most of the credit for what it has fought for and achieved in its modern history, though admittingly it has gotten help from others in doing that as well.

Shalom :D

[UkrainianAmerican]

Hehe, nice info.

[Sayeret]

Commander Cool wrote:


That is impressive, however the US gives Israel about $5 billion US every year, for free. Israel cannot claim credibility for all its achievements, because most of that credit goes to the US. Without the US's assistance, Israel would be only slightly ahead of its neighbors.

With or without US support Israel would still be greatly ahead of its neighbors. US aid does help Israel a lot but Israel would be fine without it. Israel wouldn't be the fourth most powerful country in the world just becasue of the US. Also the US didn't always support Israel. Back in the 1948 when Israel was fighting its war of independence it didn't receive any support from the US yet it still won the war. Israel has a better work standard than that of its neighbors which helps make it more advanced then them.

[born_to_kill]

True sayeret, America also gives Egypt about 2 billion dollars i naid a year and egypt it still very far behind Israel.

[Truthsayer]

World Peace

1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
1995 - Joseph Rotblat


I would consider him to be an american primarly, not an jew - unless faith is heigher then everything, and anyone that follows the faith as a 'jew' automatically credits israel everything they achive.

Is this true to the leftwing-jews that oppose the state too? ;)

Btw, the best joke about Kissinger is a little small thing you might remember from SNL back in the 70is.

"Mr Kissinger, what would you say is the heigh-point of your political career?"

"That would be the Nobel Peace-prize in 1973 for ending the Vietnam war."

"And you low-point?"

"The ending of the Vietnam war 1975"

[Javehn]

There is no "left wing" Jews that oppose the state , just bunch of crazy ass Mesaic religion fanatic that don't like no one , and people like you .
;)
And i see , that on top you have no clue what Jew means , and who are considered Jews .

[Truthsayer]

I know what you means, but the post was suppose to be how great the country and people is, right?

So does everyone that follows the same faith always credits israel (nomatter if they lived there or not) for the good things they do? (Never the bad thing, ofcourse.)

Smells like propaganda to me. ^^


And thanks for insinuating that I'm antisemite.

[Javehn]

No , you smell like kinderguarden to me . Offcorse we done our share of **** here and there .

But why we should tell this to people like you , that would blow it out of every possible proportion (you prooved it allready in every single possible post you made . The picture on your sig was enough , from a Palestinian demonstration near Najah university . But you offcorse don't know what or where is Najah . And yet you claim , that the picture is othentic rofl ) - Truthsayer rofl .
What truth would that be ?
And by the way , half of the writers for SNL are also , Jews ;) . SNL IS ALSO JEWISH PROPAGANDA , DON'T WATCH IT , Liespreader ;) .

So , you would write how horrible we are , and offcorse Israelies would write the opposite , to ballance it . That's how scale work . Yes , it is .

[Truthsayer]

Wow, feeling a bit paranoid are we?

You can't ask a simple question or read a simple joke without going off like a tornado.

"Half of the writers on SNL are jewish" you say. So?

That would only prove that the joke wasn't in any way being antisemetic and was only about Mr Kissinger.

*sigh*

[Javehn]

So ? And your point would be ?
"And by the way , half of the writers for SNL are also , Jews . SNL IS ALSO JEWISH PROPAGANDA , DON'T WATCH IT , Liespreader . "

Yes , i was deadly serios when i wrote this :roll: . <----- Sarcasm , Sarcasm , Sarcasm , Attention Sarcasm , Achtung Sarkasm Yawohl ;)
Isn't it the time , to take a little red pill , mate ;) ?

[Truthsayer]

Posting a smilie doesn't mean it's fun for the reciever.



You are a moron. ;)

[Javehn]

Posting a smilie doesn't mean it's fun for the reciever.



You are a moron. ;)

Yea , yea , yea , nice answer .

;)

:cantbeli:

rofl



I think Israel should give back all occupied lands to the rightful owners.
No country, state or people have a right to stake claim to another country or it's citizens.

Oh , yes , shure . At the same time , let change the whole world population . Yea , let's give native Indians arms in their national reserves EDIT: Let's make them refugee camps , and let them fight against occupation Americans .
At the same time , let's banish from Ireland all the descendens of Nords that occupied Ireland . Hell they don't belong there , those bleedy Vikings ! Maybe even you have their bloud in you , but hey , who cares ??

And , let's give those 300,000 Jewish refugees from Arab lands to return back to their houses , and give them back the property . Oh , wait , that never ever would happend , yes , silly me . That only work one side. Let Palestinian pay for Jewish massicre in city oh Hebron . Oh , wait , no , again silly me , that should be working only to one side . Why the Brits appologise , that they stoped ships with Jewish refugees from Nazi germany , and send them back , to their death ?Oh , wait , no , it's allowed , continue please .

Let's kick Englishmen from Wailes . Scotland . They have nothing to look for in Glasgow , or EdinBurgh . Free the highlands , Freedom from the Brits !!
Nice touch , the thing . I allready know your pripitive view , and your lack of knowing history . And then later you wounder why many didn't liked UN "peace" keepers ? If you are indeed was one , and not BS .


P.S : The thing , i am still waiting for the proove , of those giant IDF crimes against humanity inside Lebanon . Why you don't prooving me wrong ? If you say that they were so wast , shurely there is proofe for the amount of raping and lootering IDF done ? Wouldn't that just make your day ? So , common , i am waiting .

[S'13]

I think Israel should give back all occupied lands to the rightful owners.
No country, state or people have a right to stake claim to another country or it's citizens.

Do you know who controled the West Bank and the Gaza strip prior to the Six Day War? Do you think they want this land back?
Hell, we wanted to give the Gaza strip back to Egypt when we gave them back the Sinai peninsula and they didn't want it.

[BlackRain]

That is impressive, however the US gives Israel about $5 billion US every year, for free. Israel cannot claim credibility for all its achievements, because most of that credit goes to the US. Without the US's assistance, Israel would be only slightly ahead of its neighbors.

While indeed the U.S. has had a big part in its assistance, I totally disagree with your assertions that without the U.S. Israel would only be slightly ahead of its neighbors.

First understand that Israel only got any major assistance from the U.S. after it had already become a regional power and that was in 1967 and only after Israel won that war did the U.S. overtly assist more fully as we know it does today.

Secondly its not 5 billion a year but its 3 billion a year

(Yes I know about the loans, but they are paid back and secondly its not a yearly occurrence so the statistic does remain at three a year since the 70’s)

Lastly Israel is a 120 billion a year economy and gets 3 billion a year so while indeed its much appreciated, if for whatever reason the U.S. would cut that off, it would be a hit but Israel can certainly survive and it would still remain as it is today as it achived most of that on its own (and as those achievements in that long list show would not change at all)

So 3 out of 120 is not a sign of any full credit going to the U.S. if for anything the opposite is true!!

So IMO Israel does indeed deserve a lot and most of the credit for what it has fought for and achieved in its modern history, though admittingly it has gotten help from others in doing that as well.

Shalom :D

Why are you short changing the USA contribution to the establishment and welfare of Israel?

1) Since 1949, the USA has provided Israel with over 94 billion dollars in aid. Not since the late 1960's like you alleged. See table of gifts, grants, loans, aid here: http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html

2) The US was the first country to recognize Israel, only minutes after it was officially created in 1948, consistent with a 1922 Congressional resolution backing the League of Nations mandate for a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

3) In the United Nations, the United States did not cast its first veto until 1972, on a Syrian-Lebanese complaint against Israel. From 1967-72, the U.S. supported or abstained on 24 resolutions, most critical of Israel. From 1973-2000, the Security Council adopted approximately 90 resolutions on the Middle East, again, most critical of Israel. The U.S. vetoed a total of 33 resolutions and, hence, supported the Council's criticism of Israel by its vote of support or by abstaining roughly two-thirds of the time.

3) Starting on October 14, 1973 US Air Force "Operation Nickel Grass" flew resupply missions to Israel for a full month for the Yom Kippur War.

4) After the Yom Kippur War, the United States quadrupled its foreign aid to Israel, and replaced France as Israel's largest arms supplier.

5) In 1951 the US provided the first aid to Israel, $65 million to help Israel take in Holocaust survivors and endangered Jews from Arab lands. Within 3 years, Israel's 650,000 Jews absorbed 600,000 refugees from Europe and the Arab nations.

6) And finally, according to the US government, " Israel is not economically self-sufficient, and relies on foreign assistance and borrowing to maintain its economy. Since 1985, the United States has provided $3 billion in grants annually to Israel. Since 1976, Israel has been the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, and is the largest cumulative recipient since World War II. In addition to U.S. assistance, it is estimated that Israel receives about $1 billion annually through philanthropy, an equal amount through short- and long- term commercial loans, and around $1 billion in Israel Bonds proceeds."

"Since 1976, Israel has been the largest annual recipient of U.S. aid and is the largest recipient of cumulative U.S. assistance since World War II. From 1949 through 1965, U.S. aid to Israel averaged about $63 million per year, over 95% of which was economic development assistance and food aid. A modest military loan program began in 1959. From 1966 through 1970, average aid per year increased to about $102 million, but military loans increased to about 47% of the total. From 1971 to the present, U.S. aid to Israel has averaged over $2 billion per year, two-thirds of which has been military assistance. Congress first designated a specific amount of aid for Israel (an “earmark”) in 1971. Also in 1971,
economic assistance changed from specific programs, such as agricultural development, to the Commodity Import Program (CIP) for purchase of U.S. goods. CIP ended in 1979, replaced by largely unconditional direct transfers for budgetary support. The 1974 emergency aid for Israel, following the 1973 war, included the first military grant aid. Economic aid became all grant cash transfer in 1981, and military aid became all grant in 1985.

Beginning in the mid-1970s, Israel could no longer meet its balance of payments and government deficits with imported capital (gifts from overseas Jews, West German reparations, U.S. aid) and began to rely more on borrowed capital. Growing debt servicing costs, mounting government social services expenditures, perennial high defense spending
levels, and a stagnant domestic economy combined with worldwide inflation and declining foreign markets for Israeli goods pushed the Israeli economy into a near crisis situation. The “unity” government of 1984, cut government subsidies, froze wages and prices, raised taxes, and took other measures to restore the economy. Inflation was cut from the high of 445% in 1984 to an annual level of 20% for 1986 and 1987. Unemployment settled down to 5.5% for the second quarter of 1987, after a high of 7.8% for the same period in 1985. But the influx of Soviet Jews beginning in 1989 pushed unemployment to 9% by 1990 and to 11% by 1992, and left inflation in the 20% per year range. Israel still runs government deficits and balance of trade and payments deficits, although the gaps have been reduced."

Source: http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/11062.pdf


Based on your scanty knowledge of our contributions, perhaps we should have requested a receipt for proof for you.

[Rantanplan]

There is no "left wing" Jews that oppose the state , just bunch of crazy ass Mesaic religion fanatic that don't like no one , and people like you .
;)
And i see , that on top you have no clue what Jew means , and who are considered Jews .

Well, many of the german jews prefer the diaspora because they have moral scruples about the Israeli state. I think this is a pretty popular attitude among the european jews.

[mustamato]

1) Since 1949, the USA has provided Israel with over 94 billion dollars in aid. Not since the late 1960's like you alleged. See table of gifts, grants, loans, aid here: http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html

94 billion dollars? Wow. You forgot to say thank you IDFM203.

Personally I feel that without the support of the US Israel would hardly be
"slightly ahead of its neighbours", I don´t think there even would be a Israel
today. And if they still would be around the region would be more peacefull,
and the countries living in greater harmony with each other.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Blackrain, I believe MOST of those figures are PRIVATE donations, as opposed to U.S. tax money. Also, if you can please link me to the place where it says israels economy is not self-sufficient.
regards.

[mustamato]

where it says israels economy is not self-sufficient.

Ok, and why do you think that a extremely small desert country could be economically
self-sufficient while also having a welfare state, a huge military and a never ending conflict?
It´s not exactly like Israel can export huge amounts of timber to pay for all that.

[UkrainianAmerican]

where it says israels economy is not self-sufficient.

Ok, and why do you think that a extremely small desert country could be economically
self-sufficient while also having a welfare state, a huge military and a never ending conflict?
It´s not exactly like Israel can export huge amounts of timber to pay for all that.
Well their economy is 120 billion a yaer, I dont see how 3 billion could turn it into self-sufficient from not self-sufficient.
Unless, I am missing something.

[tacticalmanta]

I think Israel should give back all occupied lands to the rightful owners.
No country, state or people have a right to stake claim to another country or it's citizens.

In that case Israel would have to give the land back to itself since it has the oldest and most established claim to the land.

[tacticalmanta]

Ok, and why do you think that a extremely small desert country could be economically
self-sufficient while also having a welfare state, a huge military and a never ending conflict?
It´s not exactly like Israel can export huge amounts of timber to pay for all that.

No, but that pentium chip with MMX technology that you are using was devceloped in Israel. If you have SAT television in Eatern Europe, you are receiving from an Israeli satellite. The premium French label pate is actually relabled and comes from Israel. As does textiles, chemicals, medical equipment, and many defense items... just to get started.

[mustamato]

I think Israel should give back all occupied lands to the rightful owners.
No country, state or people have a right to stake claim to another country or it's citizens.

In that case Israel would have to give the land back to itself since it has the oldest and most established claim to the land.

Well no. Archaelogically the oldest farming cultures found in the area is from
Natufians, PPNA and PPNB, and I can promise you that they did not call themself
jews, despite what the religious jews of today might say.

http://members.aol.com/wprehist/3250s09.htm

[-Max2-]

This list is impressive but they dont say that 20 % of Israelis live in poverty and that Israel has a serious economic crisis since the new Intifada...

Not very objective... :|

PS: No flame war please, that's just facts.

[UkrainianAmerican]

I think Israel should give back all occupied lands to the rightful owners.
No country, state or people have a right to stake claim to another country or it's citizens.

In that case Israel would have to give the land back to itself since it has the oldest and most established claim to the land.

Well no. Archaelogically the oldest farming cultures found in the area is from
Natufians, PPNA and PPNB, and I can promise you that they did not call themself
jews, despite what the religious jews of today might say.

http://members.aol.com/wprehist/3250s09.htm
I dont think those ethnicities are with us today.

[UkrainianAmerican]

This list is impressive but they dont say that 20 % of Israelis live in poverty and that Israel has a serious economic crisis since the new Intifada...

Not very objective... :|

PS: No flame war please, that's just facts.
Hmm, I wonder where you took that 20 number from? :P
You do know that arab Israelis enjoys the highest standard of living in mideast, in Israel.

[-Max2-]

Hmm, I wonder where you took that 20 number from?
You do know that arab Israelis enjoys the highest standard of living in mideast, in Israel.

http://judaism.about.com/b/a/038604.htm

[mustamato]

I think Israel should give back all occupied lands to the rightful owners.
No country, state or people have a right to stake claim to another country or it's citizens.

In that case Israel would have to give the land back to itself since it has the oldest and most established claim to the land.

Well no. Archaelogically the oldest farming cultures found in the area is from
Natufians, PPNA and PPNB, and I can promise you that they did not call themself
jews, despite what the religious jews of today might say.

http://members.aol.com/wprehist/3250s09.htm
I dont think those ethnicities are with us today.

Of course not since they submerged into other cultures that followed them,
and still not jews, I´d rather say that they became bedouins, and well. How
does Israel treat them? As the rightfull owners to the "holy land"? Not exactly.
The only thing that says that Israel is jewish is the religious bull****, archaelogically
it´s not jewish at all, but it´s not "Palestinian" either, and they also have their
religious bull**** they use. To me the answer is simple, the land is neither Jewish
or Palestinian, so they can just as well learn to share it.

[UkrainianAmerican]

I think Israel should give back all occupied lands to the rightful owners.
No country, state or people have a right to stake claim to another country or it's citizens.

In that case Israel would have to give the land back to itself since it has the oldest and most established claim to the land.

Well no. Archaelogically the oldest farming cultures found in the area is from
Natufians, PPNA and PPNB, and I can promise you that they did not call themself
jews, despite what the religious jews of today might say.

http://members.aol.com/wprehist/3250s09.htm
I dont think those ethnicities are with us today.

Of course not since they submerged into other cultures that followed them,
and still not jews, I´d rather say that they became bedouins, and well. How
does Israel treat them? As the rightfull owners to the "holy land"? Not exactly.
The only thing that says that Israel is jewish is the religious bull****, archaelogically
it´s not jewish at all, but it´s not "Palestinian" either, and they also have their
religious bull**** they use. To me the answer is simple, the land is neither Jewish
or Palestinian, so they can just as well learn to share it.
I thought the Bedouins were treated pretty well. I heard that quite a few of them serve in the IDF, etc. Also remeber that Bedouins are by nature "state-less" people, sot of like gypsies, which helps explain why they arent pissed about it.
Aso for your second point, wtf. There were MNAY escavation, where we found the remain of the Old Temple etc. Maybe evin a few stars of david here and there.
Also what about the Wall on Temple Mount?

[tacticalmanta]

Your point is lost since Jews are the oldest existing culture from this land.[/b]

[Mr. Nielsen]

where it says israels economy is not self-sufficient.

Ok, and why do you think that a extremely small desert country could be economically
self-sufficient while also having a welfare state, a huge military and a never ending conflict?
It´s not exactly like Israel can export huge amounts of timber to pay for all that.

Israel mainly exports industrial goods. And mainly has the charateristics of a european country. Which is of course not surprising, as the country is founded by westerners.

But apart from that I agree with you that it dosn't add up without outside support.

here is a link to the CIA factbook on Israel:

http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/is.html#Econ

[tacticalmanta]

Yedp Bedouins are pretty cool.. many serve in thr IDF and the Jordanian ones slaughtered Palestinians wholesale when they received the order from the King of Jordan.

[tacticalmanta]

where it says israels economy is not self-sufficient.

Ok, and why do you think that a extremely small desert country could be economically
self-sufficient while also having a welfare state, a huge military and a never ending conflict?
It´s not exactly like Israel can export huge amounts of timber to pay for all that.

Israel mainly exports industrial goods. And mainly has the charateristics of a european country. Which is of course not surprising, as the country is founded by westerners.

But apart from that I agree with you that it dosn't add up without outside support.

here is a link to the CIA factbook on Israel:

http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/is.html#Econ

Yes, it does add-up and all US aid must be spent in the US, thus creating demand, business, and jobs for American workers.

[UkrainianAmerican]

CIA worldbook:

Israel has a technologically advanced market economy with substantial government participation. It depends on imports of crude oil, grains, raw materials, and military equipment. Despite limited natural resources, Israel has intensively developed its agricultural and industrial sectors over the past 20 years. Israel imports significant quantities of grain but is largely self-sufficient in other agricultural products. Cut diamonds, high-technology equipment, and agricultural products (fruits and vegetables) are the leading exports. Israel usually posts sizable current account deficits, which are covered by large transfer payments from abroad and by foreign loans. Roughly half of the government's external debt is owed to the US, which is its major source of economic and military aid. The influx of Jewish immigrants from the former USSR during the period 1989-99, coupled with the opening of new markets at the end of the Cold War, energized Israel's economy, which grew rapidly in the early 1990s; growth began moderating in 1996 when the government imposed tighter fiscal and monetary policies and the immigration bonus petered out. Growth was a strong 7.2% in 2000, but the bitter Israeli-Palestinian conflict, difficulties in the high-technology, construction, and tourist sectors, and fiscal austerity in the face of growing inflation led to small declines in GDP in 2001 and 2002.
Now, where does it say about it being not self-sufficient.
If you meant it depends on importation on natural resources, then all I can tell you, is go back to school and learn some economics.

[UoUo]

1) Since 1949, the USA has provided Israel with over 94 billion dollars in aid. Not since the late 1960's like you alleged. See table of gifts, grants, loans, aid here: http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html

94 billion dollars? Wow. You forgot to say thank you IDFM203.

Personally I feel that without the support of the US Israel would hardly be
"slightly ahead of its neighbours", I don´t think there even would be a Israel
today. And if they still would be around the region would be more peacefull,
and the countries living in greater harmony with each other.

I hope you will get killed very soon.
And your ****ing country will get invaded by Russia...or the ****ing Terrorists will start a holy war in you country (and belive me...it will come..).

[tacticalmanta]

Israel won all it's wars without US aid... I am not sure what planet this guy is living on.

[UoUo]

The planet where people hate israel....and to be antiisrael/jew/aemrica

Is cool.

BTW : you know what? i just looked out of my window..and saw the most butifual palce in the planet....and i am so happy to live here...we are here and we are here to stay...if you like it or not. so **** you.

[ExtraT]

where it says israels economy is not self-sufficient.

Ok, and why do you think that a extremely small desert country could be economically
self-sufficient while also having a welfare state, a huge military and a never ending conflict?
It´s not exactly like Israel can export huge amounts of timber to pay for all that.

Eh, Hmmmm... Let's think... Maybe because it's citizens work their asses off to accomplish all that? And don't spend their time in prayers and hate? :cantbeli:

[ExtraT]

And the arabs didn't start the 1967 war.

Of course they did. Blocking of Tiran streights by Egypt is an internationally recognized act of war. Israel's preemptive strike on Egypt and it's allies is a direct response to that.

For your amazing historical discoveries, you, Mr. Nielsen, should be awarded. With a nazi iron cross. :bash:

[S'13]

where it says israels economy is not self-sufficient.

Ok, and why do you think that a extremely small desert country could be economically
self-sufficient while also having a welfare state, a huge military and a never ending conflict?
It´s not exactly like Israel can export huge amounts of timber to pay for all that.

Ever heard of human resources?
We have a lot of that and in high quality.

[Truthsayer]

1) Since 1949, the USA has provided Israel with over 94 billion dollars in aid. Not since the late 1960's like you alleged. See table of gifts, grants, loans, aid here: http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html

94 billion dollars? Wow. You forgot to say thank you IDFM203.

Personally I feel that without the support of the US Israel would hardly be
"slightly ahead of its neighbours", I don´t think there even would be a Israel
today. And if they still would be around the region would be more peacefull,
and the countries living in greater harmony with each other.

I hope you will get killed very soon.
And your f*** country will get invaded by Russia...or the f*** Terrorists will start a holy war in you country (and belive me...it will come..).

Right back at you?

[Javehn]

For your amazing historical discoveries, you, Mr. Nielsen, should be awarded. With a nazi iron cross. :bash:


Hehehe , that's a good one :lol: rofl

[Truthsayer]

Everyone that oppose any jew or israeli must be an nazi and deserve to die. Burnt on the stake.

[Javehn]

**** man , you are really something . You ammazingly interpritation of what we say neads a medal . Iron Cross medal rofl rofl .

A little history lesson for Mustamastasa : The only nation , that remain living from those times , when the Israelities entered the land of Kanaan (that's the name of Israel back then ) , is Kufti nation , that occupied Egypt . And guess where Kufties live ?? In Egypt ;) .
The people that lived in Israel back those days , where in general name called Knaanaties (several different nations ) , and Edumaties in Negev desert , and with times , they assimilated into hebrews , or drafted east .

But now , that's ok , because i really know why you are saying all that . You don't know **** , you just want to piss someone . You enjoy it , that's right ?

Hey , by the way , isn't Musta means worm on Finnish ?

[Mr. Nielsen]

And the arabs didn't start the 1967 war.

Of course they did. Blocking of Tiran streights by Egypt is an internationally recognized act of war. Israel's preemptive strike on Egypt and it's allies is a direct response to that.

I'm not adressing excuses or reasons for the war, just correcting an incorrect statement.

Or is the argument going along the line, that the war had already started, before it did officially. In fact not being a six day war?

[ExtraT]

Everyone that oppose any jew or israeli must be an nazi and deserve to die. Burnt on the stake.

Of course. Don't you know that application of standards on the basis of race is racism? When somebody demands of Israel to act better than they themselves act - it's pure racism. And there are no exception to this rule.

[ExtraT]

Israel is not the greatest country in the world, get over it. You economy and living standards aren't even that great.
If you were in Europe you would have one of the lowest GDP's and GNP's of any European Union country.
:bash:

Tell me, if your country (what ever it may be) had to fight an escalating war for survival since before it's creation, and for 56 years afterwards, what shape will it be in?

[Javehn]

Israel is not the greatest country in the world, get over it. You economy and living standards aren't even that great.
If you were in Europe you would have one of the lowest GDP's and GNP's of any European Union country.
:bash:

So ****ing what ? We leave in our own country , thank to us , and only us , and clearly not to UN , or people like you . Away from people like YOU . That's enough for some . You live there , don't touch me , i don't touch you , and that would be grate .

I don't understand . For a tiniest country , in the desert, with only 6 milion people , we recieve not normal ammount of attention . And not good . If that's not Antisemitism , so what is it ? Why we earned such "respect" ? Is it jealosy ? What is it ? Just look at that forum , for example , what is going on here ? It's clearly a "Jewish syndrom" , probably a hidden one , but it's exist .

[ExtraT]

I'm not adressing excuses or reasons for the war, just correcting an incorrect statement.


What the hell are you blabbering about? Your statement was: "Israel started the 1967 war". And I said: "No Israel didn't start it - Egypt and it's allies did, by commiting acts of war against israel". Where in hell did I talk about "reasons" and "excuses"? Only Arabs care about excuses. Like when they blow up a bus full of children and then say "Allah made me do it".



Or is the argument going along the line, that the war had already started, before it did officially. In fact not being a six day war?

FYI, "six day war" is just a name. If you count the formal Arab rhetoric, then it should be called "56 year war" and renamed every year.

BTW, how's your new Iron Cross? Heavy, isn't it? :bash:

[UkrainianAmerican]

Israeli citizens have a general view that Israel is a premier country in the world :lol: get over it. If it wasn't for France and the US then there would be no more state of Israel.
What most people including myself dislike very strongly about the state of Israel, is that a so called oppressed people after the formation of their super state oppress another set of peoples and you wonder why the world dislikes the Israeli state?
WOW!
What a tool!
WHO ever said that Israel was a premier country in the world? In the middle east yeas, bu tthat because.....it f*cking is.

[Javehn]

Israeli citizens have a general view that Israel is a premier country in the world :lol: get over it. If it wasn't for France and the US then there would be no more state of Israel.
What most people including myself dislike very strongly about the state of Israel, is that a so called oppressed people after the formation of their super state oppress another set of peoples and you wonder why the world dislikes the Israeli state?

Clearly Antisemithism . Now i am shure you never been in Lebanon , because it's clear you don't know **** about Arab menthality , and how they iterprit opression . It's also clear , that you taking your information from the news , and not from reality . That's why i said thanks , that back in those days , we had very little consideration with people like you . If i am not mistaken , AN disassembled before ww2 , and formed UN . It doesn't prevent ww2 . No , not holocaust , no .
And crap , for someone that comming from Ireland , saying that . "Take example from us " ? :bash:


We don't view our country as the best in the world at all . Infact , you know very little about region , and you don't know what is "Jewish self blame" . But because of people like you , we have to defendourself in words , where you can understand that we think that our country is great . We stop say that , when you stop ****ting from your lips .



BTW, how's your new Iron Cross? Heavy, isn't it?

Hahahaha , good one .

[S'13]

Israeli citizens have a general view that Israel is a premier country in the world

Looks like you think you know what are our views :cantbeli: rofl


If it wasn't for France and the US then there would be no more state of Israel.

Did France and the U.S fight all of the wars we had to fight for our survival?

If I'm not mistaken the French asked us to fight alongside them in 1956 ;)


What most people including myself dislike very strongly about the state of Israel, is that a so called oppressed people after the formation of their super state oppress another set of peoples

May I ask what peoples are you refering to?


and you wonder why the world dislikes the Israeli state?

No, we wonder how there are people like you in this world.

BTW may I ask where you are from?

[UoUo]

לכל הישראלים
הנשוא הזה באמת קצת מטופש...ובאמת ישראל היא לא המדינה הכי טובה בעולם....
יש לנו עוד הרבה לאיפה להתקדם..בכלל הת'רד הזה לא במקום....

אנחנו לא צירכים לריב עם אדיוטים כמו הפיני ההוא...או אדון נילסן...
2 אנטיישראלים

And for all others...israel is for sure no the best country in the world...but for me it is the best country in the world! woot woot woot and we are for sure a westren country....maybe not like france or germmany...



But ho cares? france or germmany didn't have to fight against dozens of Arab countries in the past 50 years.


Ad **** you
mustamato!! :hug:

BTW : i do have family in sweeden...but i never gonna move there.

[UoUo]

BTW:

How the **** people from europe can tell us that we live cuz of the USA!

If not the USA the people of europe were talking german...and under nazi Regime.

[Truthsayer]

BTW:

How the f*** people from europe can tell us that we live cuz of the USA!

If not the USA the people of europe were talking german...and under nazi Regime.

Ofcourse we all would.

Your ignorance for the history is stunning.

[citizen-k]

where it says israels economy is not self-sufficient.

Ok, and why do you think that a extremely small desert country could be economically
self-sufficient while also having a welfare state, a huge military and a never ending conflict?
It´s not exactly like Israel can export huge amounts of timber to pay for all that.

Ever heard of human resources?
We have a lot of that and in high quality.

Right.

Any one is looking for aerospace engineer, with 6 years of experience in software development? (management positions)

Israel is exporting knowledge and technology. (600 written patents used in the American F-16 were developed by Israeli engineers...)

Israel has the biggest number of doctors per citizens - the ratio stayed the same even after 1.5 million new russian immigrants arrived during the 90's.

Other then all that (and much more) this thread has got nothing to do with the IDF, and therefor it doesn't belong to this forum.

What we can learn from this thread is the main reason for the conflict in the middle-east: Arabs are stuck in the middle ages, and they are not ready to have so much progress so close to their home ;)

Oh, and yes - U.S is "giving" Israel a lot of money every year, but the numbers are dropping all the time + Israel is paying back with knowledge, technology and the security that the U.S has a stable ally in the middle east. (+ most of the money is used to buy American products - which gives jobs to American citizens...)

[Javehn]

שכולם ימצצו לי את הזין !! מוסטאמאטו , אתה ראשון בתור . עכשיו בחייאת תהיה עדין , אני יודע שאצלכם מזיינים סוסים בתחת בפינלד ושוודיה , אבל בעדינות !! או , יפה מאוד .
נילסן , אמא שלך זונה מוצצת בולבולים ואוכלת בתחת . עכשיו , לא , אני לא סתם אומר את זה . אני אומר את זה , כי בדיוק אתמול , כן ? היא הייתה אצלי בבית . יא אללה , מי הדנית הזאת יודעת לעשות עם הפה שלה !! יותר טוב ממוסטאמאטו אפילו .

ומדבר אמת , הייתי מת לנסוע עד לבית שלך ולדפוק לך כאלו מכות , שלא היית שוכח בחיים . וואי וואי וואי וואי , תאמין לי , זה היה שווה את הכרטיס , רק לראות את הפרצוף המחוער שלך . להגיד לו "היי , זה אני , ג'ייבן" ולהכניס לו סנוקרת , אבל מה , סנוקרת ישר לביצה . אז בטוח לא היית כותב שטויות . הייתי גם מזיין את אחותך , אם כבר באתי , למה חבל לבזבז ככה כסף , הכרטיס מה זה יקר .

[UkrainianAmerican]

BTW:

How the f*** people from europe can tell us that we live cuz of the USA!

If not the USA the people of europe were talking german...and under nazi Regime.

Ofcourse we all would.

Your ignorance for the history is stunning.
Yeah, he made a slight mistake.
Most of Europe would be speaking Russian right now.
I hope you will forgive him.

[mack pl]

שכולם ימצצו לי את הזין !! מוסטאמאטו , אתה ראשון בתור . עכשיו בחייאת תהיה עדין , אני יודע שאצלכם מזיינים סוסים בתחת בפינלד ושוודיה , אבל בעדינות !! או , יפה מאוד .
נילסן , אמא שלך זונה מוצצת בולבולים ואוכלת בתחת . עכשיו , לא , אני לא סתם אומר את זה . אני אומר את זה , כי בדיוק אתמול , כן ? היא הייתה אצלי בתחת . יא אללה , מי הדנית הזאת יודעת לעשות עם הפה שלה !! יותר טוב ממוסטאמאטו אפילו .

ומדבר אמת , הייתי מת לנסוע עד לבית שלך ולדפוק לך כאלו מכות , שלא היית שוכח בחיים . וואי וואי וואי וואי , תאמין לי , זה היה שווה את הכרטיס , רק לראות את הפרצוף המחוער שלך . להגיד לו "היי , זה אני , גייבן" ולהכניס לו סנוקרת , אבל מה , סנוקרת ישר לביצה . אז בטוח לא היית כותב שטויות . הייתי גם מזיין את אחותך , אם כבר באתי , למה חבל לבזבז ככה כסף , הכרטיס מה זה יקר .I agree rofl rofl rofl Hey, could you translate ;)

[UkrainianAmerican]

שכולם ימצצו לי את הזין !! מוסטאמאטו , אתה ראשון בתור . עכשיו בחייאת תהיה עדין , אני יודע שאצלכם מזיינים סוסים בתחת בפינלד ושוודיה , אבל בעדינות !! או , יפה מאוד .
נילסן , אמא שלך זונה מוצצת בולבולים ואוכלת בתחת . עכשיו , לא , אני לא סתם אומר את זה . אני אומר את זה , כי בדיוק אתמול , כן ? היא הייתה אצלי בבית . יא אללה , מי הדנית הזאת יודעת לעשות עם הפה שלה !! יותר טוב ממוסטאמאטו אפילו .

ומדבר אמת , הייתי מת לנסוע עד לבית שלך ולדפוק לך כאלו מכות , שלא היית שוכח בחיים . וואי וואי וואי וואי , תאמין לי , זה היה שווה את הכרטיס , רק לראות את הפרצוף המחוער שלך . להגיד לו "היי , זה אני , גייבן" ולהכניס לו סנוקרת , אבל מה , סנוקרת ישר לביצה . אז בטוח לא היית כותב שטויות . הייתי גם מזיין את אחותך , אם כבר באתי , למה חבל לבזבז ככה כסף , הכרטיס מה זה יקר .
I disagree. :lol:

[UkrainianAmerican]

Damn you mack pl, you bat me to it. :)

[BlackRain]

Here is the link that was requested.

It is the offical U.S. State Department Report entitled "Israel: U.S. Foreign Assistance" dated May 14, 2003. Link: http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/21117.pdf


1) The $94 billion dollars in U.S. aid to Israel is tax payer money. The money from private donations from U.S. citizens is not included in that figure. It is estimated that private donations add another $1 billion annually to the Israeli economy.

What about those loans you mentioned?. The repayments on those loans are "waived" by the US government and Israel does not repay them. The U.S. government guaranteed up to 90% of the commercial loans. As of December 31, 2001, Israel owed the U.S. government $1.977 billion in direct economic and military loans, and the U.S. government has a contingent liability (guaranteed loans) for another $2.902 billion for the
refinanced military loans and Ex-Im Bank loans, and an additional $9.659 billion in contingent liabilities for the loan guarantees for settling Soviet Jews in Israel.

SUMMARY

Israel is not economically self-sufficient, and relies on foreign assistance and borrowing to maintain its economy.

Since 1985, the United States has provided $3 billion in grants annually to Israel.

Since 1976, Israel has been the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, and is the largest cumulative recipient since World War II.

In addition to U.S. assistance, it is estimated that Israel receives about $1 billion annually through philanthropy, an equal amount through short- and long- term commercial loans, and around $1 billion in Israel Bonds proceeds.

Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu told a joint session of Congress on July 10, 1996, that Israel would reduce its need for U.S. aid over the next four years.

In January 1998, Finance Minister Neeman proposed eliminating the $1.2 billion economic aid and increasing the $1.8 billion in military aid by $60 million per year during a 10-year period beginning in the year 2000.

The FY1999, 2000, 2001, and 2002 appropriations bills included cuts of $120 million in economic aid and an increases of $60 million in military aid for each year.

U.S. aid to Israel has some unique aspects, such as loans with repayment waived, or a pledge to provide Israel with economic assistance equal to the amount Israel owes the United States for previous loans.

Military Assistance to Israel

Israel also receives special benefits that may not be available to other countries, such as the use of U.S. military assistance for research and development in the United States, the use of U.S. military assistance for military purchases in Israel, or receiving all its assistance in the first 30 days of the fiscal year rather than in 3 or 4 installments as other countries do.

In addition to the foreign assistance, the United States has provided Israel with $625 million to develop and deploy the Arrow antimissile missile (an ongoing project), $1.3 billion to develop the Lavi aircraft (cancelled), $200 million to develop the Merkava tank (operative), $130 million to develop the high energy laser anti-missile system (ongoing), and other military projects.

In FY2000 the United States provided Israel an additional $1.2 billion to fund the Wye agreement, and in FY2002 the United States provided an additional $200 million in anti-terror assistance.

For FY2003, the Administration requested $600 million in economic, $2.1 billion in military, and $60 million in migration resettlement assistance.


These are cold hard facts and it is shameful that you would take this aid and gifts from the USA and pretend they had no role in your country's very existence. Israel is an ally of the USA.

[mack pl]

BTW:

How the f*** people from europe can tell us that we live cuz of the USA!

If not the USA the people of europe were talking german...and under nazi Regime.

Ofcourse we all would.

Your ignorance for the history is stunning.
Yeah, he made a slight mistake.
Most of Europe would be speaking Russian right now.
I hope you will forgive him.Some people speak german and russian,and they arent Germans or Russians ;) Well, you should know language of yours enemys ;)

[mack pl]

Damn you mack pl, you bat me to it. :)Hhaha, Im faster than you ;)

[UkrainianAmerican]

BTW:

How the f*** people from europe can tell us that we live cuz of the USA!

If not the USA the people of europe were talking german...and under nazi Regime.

Ofcourse we all would.

Your ignorance for the history is stunning.
Yeah, he made a slight mistake.
Most of Europe would be speaking Russian right now.
I hope you will forgive him.Some people speak german and russian,and they arent Germans or Russians ;) Well, you should know language of yours enemys ;)
Hehe, but thats only Poland, because it ended up in the Communist Block :P

[ExtraT]

Very impressive list but two points:
1) Israel is subject to international law and thus displacing natives of the captured territories by settling Jews in Palestinian land is illegal.


First of all, if you don't cound a few isolated incidents, nobody "displaced" anybody. The "palestenian refugees" problem was created by the Arab states. that invaded Israel in 1948.
Second of all, what you call "palestinians" are not natives. This is a proven fact.



2) The use of the argument "Look how tiny this state is and look at how big the Arab world is. Why don't the Palestinians settle in Jordan/Syria etc?" is equivalent to someone invading your home and telling you to go settle in neighbors homes, after all there are millions of neighbors homes for you to settle in. This, in a word, is theft.

Clearly you don't know squat about the history. Prior to Israel's creation, most Arab states had significant Jewish populations. After 1948 almost all of these jews were forced out by these states and accepted as refugees by Israel. The total number of jewish refugees, in fact, EXCEEDS the number of the so called "palestinian refugees". State of Israel recieved no internation aid for absorbtion of these people.

I think it would be only natural for the Arab states to absorb Palestenian Arabs. The resulting "exchange of populations" would effectively end the conflict.
Of course, they don't want to do that - they instead use "palestinians" as cannon fodder in their war against Israel and western culture in general.

[mack pl]

BTW:

How the f*** people from europe can tell us that we live cuz of the USA!

If not the USA the people of europe were talking german...and under nazi Regime.

Ofcourse we all would.

Your ignorance for the history is stunning.
Yeah, he made a slight mistake.
Most of Europe would be speaking Russian right now.
I hope you will forgive him.Some people speak german and russian,and they arent Germans or Russians ;) Well, you should know language of yours enemys ;)
Hehe, but thats only Poland, because it ended up in the Communist Block :PSzalom Alehem Russian brother :lol:

[UkrainianAmerican]

BTW:

How the f*** people from europe can tell us that we live cuz of the USA!

If not the USA the people of europe were talking german...and under nazi Regime.

Ofcourse we all would.

Your ignorance for the history is stunning.
Yeah, he made a slight mistake.
Most of Europe would be speaking Russian right now.
I hope you will forgive him.Some people speak german and russian,and they arent Germans or Russians ;) Well, you should know language of yours enemys ;)
Hehe, but thats only Poland, because it ended up in the Communist Block :PSzalom Alehem Russian brother :lol:
rofl rofl rofl

[big80a2]

Israel is not the greatest country in the world, get over it. You economy and living standards aren't even that great.
If you were in Europe you would have one of the lowest GDP's and GNP's of any European Union country.
:bash:

rofl rofl
Your stupid man .... look at wat you and your homies are saying all times:
BAD THINGS ABOUT ISRAEL... What you expect israelis to talk more bad **** ...!

Yuor dum dum dum

[mack pl]

BTW:

How the f*** people from europe can tell us that we live cuz of the USA!

If not the USA the people of europe were talking german...and under nazi Regime.

Ofcourse we all would.

Your ignorance for the history is stunning.
Yeah, he made a slight mistake.
Most of Europe would be speaking Russian right now.
I hope you will forgive him.Some people speak german and russian,and they arent Germans or Russians ;) Well, you should know language of yours enemys ;)
Hehe, but thats only Poland, because it ended up in the Communist Block :PSzalom Alehem Russian brother :lol:
rofl rofl roflWhat? :lol:

[Javehn]

Соси хуй , не психуй . Тут шутки шутки , а хуй в желудке .
Правдоговоритель , бля сука как я хочу тебя уебать , пидарастическое уёбище . Гандон ебаный .
давай врубай транслитор , ни хуя не поймешь , сука .

Get that, pl ? ;)

[citizen-k]

No need to use a bad language to annoy the other side - the facts do it much better.

-Syrian soldiers usually **** goats they find near the border.

-During the 6 days war, Egyptian soldiers left their shoes in the desert and ran all the way to Cairo.

-1981, Syria VS Israel 0:93 in dog fights above Lebanon.

-2000 Hassan Nasrallah's son is eaten by Israeli "Oketz" unit dog.

-A typical Syrian tank driver graduates 3 years of elementary school.

-1981 Yasser Arafat entertained himself with young Lebanonian boys during the siege in Beirut.

-Now my friends from Sweden&Norway: Many of your girls dated citizen-k during their stay at Israeli Kibuts's. (And citizenk has a DIRTY mind!)

[UkrainianAmerican]

Соси хуй , не психуй . Тут шутки шутки , а хуй в желудке .
Правдоговоритель , бля сука как я хочу тебя уебать , пидарастическое уёбище . Гандон ебаный .

Get that, pl ? ;)
EDIT: my bad. Go on.

[mack pl]

Соси хуй , не психуй . Тут шутки шутки , а хуй в желудке .
Правдоговоритель , бля сука как я хочу тебя уебать , пидарастическое уёбище . Гандон ебаный .

Get that, pl ? ;)Nie wiedziałem ,ze Rosjanie uzywaja zwrotu-jebany ;) Dobrze wiedzieć :)

[Javehn]

No , not mackpl , he is cool rofl
Правдоговоритель ;) ;)

[Truthsayer]

-Now my friends from Sweden&Norway: Many of your girls dated citizen-k during their stay at Israeli Kibuts's. (And citizenk has a DIRTY mind!)

Yes, you are quite the man.

The more woman you ****, the bigger ***** you have.


No?

[UkrainianAmerican]

No , not mackpl , he is cool rofl
Правдоговоритель ;) ;)
Yeah, i am dumb. :(

[citizen-k]

-Now my friends from Sweden&Norway: Many of your girls dated citizen-k during their stay at Israeli Kibuts's. (And citizenk has a DIRTY mind!)

Yes, you are quite the man.

The more woman you f***, the bigger ***** you have.


No?

Actually, I'm married... but I think you got the message, didn't you?

[UkrainianAmerican]

-Now my friends from Sweden&Norway: Many of your girls dated citizen-k during their stay at Israeli Kibuts's. (And citizenk has a DIRTY mind!)

Yes, you are quite the man.

The more woman you f***, the bigger ***** you have.


No?
I heard that Swedish women are VERY, m, "allowing"
:lol:

[UkrainianAmerican]

Соси хуй , не психуй . Тут шутки шутки , а хуй в желудке .
Правдоговоритель , бля сука как я хочу тебя уебать , пидарастическое уёбище . Гандон ебаный .

Get that, pl ? ;)Nie wiedziałem ,ze Rosjanie uzywaja zwrotu-jebany ;) Dobrze wiedzieć :)I get what that means, but Jay-Vehns post wast directed at you. :lol:

[Javehn]

I heard that Swedish women are VERY, m, "allowing"

But somehow i read Swedish more like to use the "life stock" services . How can refuce to a nice beautifull horse ? ;)

[mack pl]

No , not mackpl , he is cool rofl
Правдоговоритель ;) ;)
Yeah, i am dumb. :(Ehhh, RA.You are -PRAWDOMÓWCA too ;)

[Truthsayer]

-Now my friends from Sweden&Norway: Many of your girls dated citizen-k during their stay at Israeli Kibuts's. (And citizenk has a DIRTY mind!)

Yes, you are quite the man.

The more woman you f***, the bigger ***** you have.


No?

Actually, I'm married... but I think you got the message, didn't you?

Well, I'm married too...and I think I got the message: You found someone stupid enough. No?

[UkrainianAmerican]

No , not mackpl , he is cool rofl
Правдоговоритель ;) ;)
Yeah, i am dumb. :(Ehhh, RA.You are -PRAWDOMÓWCA too ;)
No I am NOT a truthsayer!
:-*$

[citizen-k]

-Now my friends from Sweden&Norway: Many of your girls dated citizen-k during their stay at Israeli Kibuts's. (And citizenk has a DIRTY mind!)

Yes, you are quite the man.

The more woman you f***, the bigger ***** you have.


No?

Actually, I'm married... but I think you got the message, didn't you?

Well, I'm married too...and I think I got the message: You found someone stupid enough. No?

See guys? facts do a better job.

(I bet he "married" a goat...)

[Javehn]

Правдоговоритель , какая нахуй дура женилась на тебе ? Ты вооще кастрат и голубой . Наверно уродина беззубая .

איזה חיה מכוערת תיקח אותך , יא חתיכת מסורס ? חזיר בר לא היה לוקח אותך לאישה . בכלא היו נמנעים לזיין אותך בתחת .

[UkrainianAmerican]

Правдоговоритель , какая нахуй дура женилась на тебе ? Ты вооще кастрат и голубой . Наверно уродина беззубая .
Ettt tochno.

[Truthsayer]

See guys? facts do a better job.

(I bet he "married" a goat...)

The only defence you ever have is to verbally abuse others.
You like to bring up that you 'defiled' woman of european nations.

Small ***** complex or are you trying to tell us you don't like jewish woman?

I grow up with jewish classmates (as well as serb, kroat, greek, persian, libanese, turkish, kurd, french and finish - one hell of a mix) but for some reason I don't feel the need to bring up anything that happened in the past.

Get over it - we don't care if you ****ed some bimbo.

[big80a2]

Israel is not the greatest country in the world, get over it. You economy and living standards aren't even that great.
If you were in Europe you would have one of the lowest GDP's and GNP's of any European Union country.
:bash:

So f*** what ? We leave in our own country , thank to us , and only us , and clearly not to UN , or people like you . Away from people like YOU . That's enough for some . You live there , don't touch me , i don't touch you , and that would be grate .

I don't understand . For a tiniest country , in the desert, with only 6 milion people , we recieve not normal ammount of attention . And not good . If that's not Antisemitism , so what is it ? Why we earned such "respect" ? Is it jealosy ? What is it ? Just look at that forum , for example , what is going on here ? It's clearly a "Jewish syndrom" , probably a hidden one , but it's exist .

Your right.
All these anti israel, anti jewish people with there anti views make my faith stronger. hahah

As the bible learns me that Israel/jews will always be hated.

well for this I can only give thanks to you anti people!!!
:D
woot

oh and if you already proved this the bible states that there will always be a jewish people and also a land for them when they return well look what happend in 1948 lol :D

thanks

[Javehn]

Hahaha , Truthsayer , i bet Zigmud would learn a lot about you . And probably the only thing Young would disagree with Freud on your case , is the level of your ...hmm....dumbness ?? Stupidity ??? Who knows .
Why you suddenly gone into offencive ? Starting to offence people , counter attacks , all that shizzle . Nice , nice , probably someone touch a spot there ? Perhaps ? rofl ;)

[Truthsayer]

Take a look in this thread and you will see who is on the offence - again. =)

Here is a little game for you: list all the absuive language being used as an attack upon the others and wich user that posted it. Have fun.

Since pointing out that mr Kissinger is american is basis for attacks, then...well, it's no wonder there is war in the world.

[citizen-k]

See guys? facts do a better job.

(I bet he "married" a goat...)

The only defence you ever have is to verbally abuse others.
You like to bring up that you 'defiled' woman of european nations.

Small ***** complex or are you trying to tell us you don't like jewish woman?

I grow up with jewish classmates (as well as serb, kroat, greek, persian, libanese, turkish, kurd, french and finish - one hell of a mix) but for some reason I don't feel the need to bring up anything that happened in the past.

Get over it - we don't care if you f*** some bimbo.

rofl

That was one of several points I mentioned. (and the only false one, btw)

Having a psychology B.A, I knew which point will extract your attention, and which ones you will ignore. (but still, they will make you mad)

Israelis, please - stop using bad language, simply stick to the facts.

[Javehn]

I am only Electronic Technician :oops: :oops: :oops:
Next year i would be ingenier woot woot

[UkrainianAmerican]

I am only Electronic Technician :oops: :oops: :oops:
Next year i would be ingenier woot woot
Next year I am going to Baruch college. The second best business school in the state. Tehn I will transfer to NYU's stern school of business, and after that Ima pimp Enron stock to your MOM.
:lol:

[Javehn]

Isn't Enron bankropted ?

[citizen-k]

I am only Electronic Technician :oops: :oops: :oops:
Next year i would be ingenier woot woot

engineer

After studing hard for 4 years, the least you should know is how to spell "engineer" right when you type it on your credit card ;)

[UkrainianAmerican]

Isn't Enron bankropted ?
You know something, young Jedi.
But I am not that sure about your MOM.

[Javehn]

ingeneer .
I know . I was so excited , that i mistyped ;) .
Well , EXCUUUUUSE ME , Mr' Psico bubble ;)


But I am not that sure about your MOM.

Hey hey hey , wass up with the MOM ?? Leave Moms alone !

[UkrainianAmerican]

ingeneer .
I know . I was so excited , that i mistyped ;) .
Well , EXCUUUUUSE ME , Mr' Psico bubble ;)
rofl

[mustamato]

Next year I am going to Baruch college.

A school they renamed in the honour of Baruch Goldstein I guess?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1680000/images/_1683017_baruch_ap_150.jpg
Baruch

[IDFM203]

That is impressive, however the US gives Israel about $5 billion US every year, for free. Israel cannot claim credibility for all its achievements, because most of that credit goes to the US. Without the US's assistance, Israel would be only slightly ahead of its neighbors.

While indeed the U.S. has had a big part in its assistance, I totally disagree with your assertions that without the U.S. Israel would only be slightly ahead of its neighbors.

First understand that Israel only got any major assistance from the U.S. after it had already become a regional power and that was in 1967 and only after Israel won that war did the U.S. overtly assist more fully as we know it does today.

Secondly its not 5 billion a year but its 3 billion a year

(Yes I know about the loans, but they are paid back and secondly its not a yearly occurrence so the statistic does remain at three a year since the 70’s)

Lastly Israel is a 120 billion a year economy and gets 3 billion a year so while indeed its much appreciated, if for whatever reason the U.S. would cut that off, it would be a hit but Israel can certainly survive and it would still remain as it is today as it achived most of that on its own (and as those achievements in that long list show would not change at all)

So 3 out of 120 is not a sign of any full credit going to the U.S. if for anything the opposite is true!!

So IMO Israel does indeed deserve a lot and most of the credit for what it has fought for and achieved in its modern history, though admittingly it has gotten help from others in doing that as well.

Shalom :D

Why are you short changing the USA contribution to the establishment and welfare of Israel? I am not shortchanging I am just putting it in perspective.

Oh and no need to get all emotional here, we are just having a conversation on the economics and military assistence of it, nowhere did I say that we don’t appreciate any help or that we deny none was given, just we feel that a lot of the credit for our survival goes to us and not as you think all of it should go to you.

I mean 1948 and 1967 wars were fought without much U.S. military armaments.


Since 1949, the USA has provided Israel with over 94 billion dollars in aid. Not since the late 1960's like you alleged. See table of gifts, grants, loans, aid here: http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html no since the 70’s it has gotten that 3 billion, before it wasn’t any yearly thing and it was mostly a few loans or grants in the millions and that wasn’t don’t very overtly nor was it a yealy thing.

Like I said above, only after 1967 has the U.S. overtly assisted as we know today.

Most of that 94 billion is AFTER 1967 (gee all you have to do is divide 94 by three and guess what…yep it all fits in 3 a year since the late 60’s)

I mean yes since the year 1850 its gotten 94 billion I mean you can go back any year but the fact is that MOST of that 94 is AFTER 1967!!!


The US was the first country to recognize Israel, only minutes after it was officially created in 1948, actually I think it might have been Russia though you might be right.

Anyways I never said that the U.S. was an enemy or not a friend,.

We are talking economics and military assistance here and the fact is that most of the U.S. economics and military help came AFTER the 1967 war


In the United Nations, the United States did not cast its first veto until 1972, on a Syrian-Lebanese complaint against Israel. From 1967-72, the U.S. supported or abstained on 24 resolutions, most critical of Israel. indeed as Israel votes with the U.S. over 94 percent of the times.


Starting on October 14, 1973 US Air Force "Operation Nickel Grass" flew resupply missions to Israel for a full month for the Yom Kippur War. again that is apperceiated but it came as Israel already had turned the tide and it was also flown in so Israel didn’t resort to the use of its Samson option ;)


And finally, according to the US government, " Israel is not economically self-sufficient, well they are factually wrong or rather I think you are reading worng dates or not understanding what you are reading, oh and I would like to see that report for nowadays.

I think it can be debatable from the 60’s and 70’s but for sure since the 90’s (and perhaps even the 80's) with Israel at and now over a 100 billion a year economy, if it did not get 3 billion a year, it would be a knock, but not as devastating as you think and certainly not going to cripple the economy.

3 billion out of 120 a year is hardly any argument for any full reliance, not at all.

Oh and btw and I am sure you might like to hear this, I am actually for a cut in all this aid but that is a whole other issue which I wont get into now


"Since 1976, Israel has been the largest annual recipient of U.S. aid and is the largest recipient of cumulative U.S. assistance since World War II. Indeed 3 billion a year is the most and the next is Egypt.

Oh and we can see how well Egypt does and I don’t think that one billion less can explain how we have a 120 billion a year economy while they have a fraction of it.

no our economy is a such mostly becouse of our actions, though yes we get help as well (that 3 b).



Based on your scanty knowledge of our contributions, perhaps we should have requested a receipt for proof for you.no I know all what you said, but it wasn’t important to any of the main points that I mentioned.

I mean I am not going to list every contribution just like I am not going to list every contribution that Israel returns to the U.S. like all of its military contributions, its technological contributions that is found throughout the U.S. military, to all of its intelligence contributions, to it having bases for military storage for U.S. troops if ever needed to to all of the soviet wepons testing that was a big help during the cold war, to etc…

Listen I love the U.S. and in other posts I have spoken great things about it, though when you say that all of the credit or if not for etc… I am sorry but that is just not accurate and all I am doing is putting things in what I feel or its proper perpective and that is all.







1) Since 1949, the USA has provided Israel with over 94 billion dollars in aid. Not since the late 1960's like you alleged. See table of gifts, grants, loans, aid here: http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html

94 billion dollars? Wow. You forgot to say thank you IDFM203.

no we in Israel are indeed very appreciative and most Israelis love the U.S.

This is all in contrast to the way a lot of you Europeans spit on the U.S. and are utterly ungrateful for the past sixty years of the U.S. spending billions each year and having thousands of its own troops willing and ready to shed blood for your nation (something which Israel does not have nor ever asked for nor ever relied on) which all this ensured that communism and the soviets didn’t take over and this enabled your nations to spend a fraction on defense and to allow your nations to become as prosperous as you have become (which wouldn’t hav happened if there was no U.S. protection and the soviets took over).

I mean it is so comical that an ungrateful euro such as yourself should have the audacity to tell me to be thankful :roll: :cantbeli:

Shalom :D

[mustamato]

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/vjw/Finland.html


After the end of the war, the integration of Jewish population of
Finland into Finnish society was completed. The War of Independence for
the State of Israel brought to the new State Finnish-Jewish volunteers as
well as weapons donations by the State of Finland. These Finnish
volunteers represented the highest per-capita participation of any
Diaspora Jewish Community.

Hm, I wonder what kind of weapons that was? Never heard of that before.
Say thank you IDFM203, and don´t forget to donate some to us when Russia
attacks the next time.


Finland recognized the State of Israel on 18 March 1949.

That´s quite early as well I guess?

[UkrainianAmerican]

Next year I am going to Baruch college.

A school they renamed in the honour of Baruch Goldstein I guess?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1680000/images/_1683017_baruch_ap_150.jpg
Baruch
You know it.
Except ITS a CITY UNIVERSITY (not a private school) that was established BEFORE that guy was even born.

[ExtraT]

We in Israel are indeed very appreciative and most Israelis love the U.S.

This is all in contrast to the way a lot of you Europeans spit on the U.S. and are utterly ungrateful for the past sixty years of the U.S. spending billions each year and having thousands of its own troops willing and ready to shed blood for your nation (something which Israel does not have nor ever asked for nor ever relied on) which all this ensured that communism and the soviets didn’t take over and this enabled your nations to spend a fraction on defense and to allow your nations to become as prosperous as you have become (which wouldn’t hav happened if there was no U.S. protection and the soviets took over).

I mean it is so comical that an ungrateful euro such as yourself should have the audacity to tell me to be thankful :roll: :cantbeli:

Shalom :D

Bravo, IDFM203. woot

[S'13]

Next year I am going to Baruch college.

A school they renamed in the honour of Baruch Goldstein I guess?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1680000/images/_1683017_baruch_ap_150.jpg
Baruch

More like a college named in the honour of Bernard Baruch... idiot

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/biography/baruch.html

[UkrainianAmerican]

Btw, 25 percetn of the populace in the college are muslim(paki), so its not some jewish school.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Next year I am going to Baruch college.

A school they renamed in the honour of Baruch Goldstein I guess?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1680000/images/_1683017_baruch_ap_150.jpg
Baruch

More like a college named in the honour of Bernard Baruch... idiot

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/biography/baruch.html
O I didnt even know that. Thanks for the info. :hug:

In the early 1930s, Baruch urged the stockpiling of rubber and tin, which are necessary items for war. Baruch anticipated that the United States would be involved in World War II and constantly urged our government to build up the armed forces.

Zionist Overlord he is. :lol:

[Javehn]

Man , i am convinsing every day and day here , that something isn't right with Europians . I mean , most people from Europe are ****ting the same stuff . I know that it's all generalisation , but it's suspicios .

That's it . I wanted to by Europian car . No more . **** you , Citroen and Pejo , **** you SAAB . I will buy only Skoda (yes , i know they are Europians ) . woot <----- Sarcasm mark for Liesayer .

P.S : Hey , you RussianAmerican up there , don't you dare edit your post when i posted allready !! You hear me ?? That's last time you do that !!

[UkrainianAmerican]

Man , i am convinsing every day and day here , that something isn't right with Europians . I mean , most people from Europe are ****ting the same stuff . I know that it's all generalisation , but it's suspicios .

That's it . I wanted to by Europian car . No more . f*** you , Citroen and Pejo , f*** you SAAB . I will buy only Skoda (yes , i know they are Europians ) . woot <----- Sarcasm mark for Liesayer .
Why dont you get Subaru. The pro-israeli brand.
Yeah, skoda works too.

[S'13]

Next year I am going to Baruch college.

A school they renamed in the honour of Baruch Goldstein I guess?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1680000/images/_1683017_baruch_ap_150.jpg
Baruch

More like a college named in the honour of Bernard Baruch... idiot

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/biography/baruch.html
O I didnt even know that. Thanks for the info. :hug:

Your welcome :D

[citizen-k]

Man , i am convinsing every day and day here , that something isn't right with Europians . I mean , most people from Europe are ****ting the same stuff . I know that it's all generalisation , but it's suspicios .

That's it . I wanted to by Europian car . No more . f*** you , Citroen and Pejo , f*** you SAAB . I will buy only Skoda (yes , i know they are Europians ) . woot <----- Sarcasm mark for Liesayer .

P.S : Hey , you RussianAmerican up there , don't you dare edit your post when i posted allready !! You hear me ?? That's last time you do that !!

Skadilac is the best!

[Javehn]

How about Susita ... Nothing like good old Israeli car , that was eaten by some camel . :)

http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/slovo/image004.jpg

http://www.djyaniv.com/blog/pics/susita.jpg

[UkrainianAmerican]

Susita is an embarassment to Israel and to jews worldwide :bash:

[citizen-k]

Susita is an embarassment to Israel and to jews worldwide :bash:

rofl

[TALOS]

Haha, this has been the damn funnest 8 pages I've read in awhile. :D
Just a question, how populated is the northern Sinai peninsula and how much of the desert there could be reclaimed as the israelis did in their areas?
Could not a fairly good swath of beautiful coastal land be set aside for the palis?
And NO, I have never been there and I am just asking in general, I mean, truly, there must be a solution without requireing the dissolution of Israel for the pali's to be happy.

[Sayeret]

Mustamato wrote:

A school they renamed in the honour of Baruch Goldstein I guess?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1680000/images/_1683017_baruch_ap_150.jpg

What the hell is wrong with you Mustamato. Why would a school name itself after Baruch Goldstein even though the government is denounced the attack and doesn't allow people to go to his gravesite. Most Israelis disagree with what he did. All your trying to do by posting that is show how imature you are and that you want to start a flame war.

[AirZone]

שכולם ימצצו לי את הזין !! מוסטאמאטו , אתה ראשון בתור . עכשיו בחייאת תהיה עדין , אני יודע שאצלכם מזיינים סוסים בתחת בפינלד ושוודיה , אבל בעדינות !! או , יפה מאוד .
נילסן , אמא שלך זונה מוצצת בולבולים ואוכלת בתחת . עכשיו , לא , אני לא סתם אומר את זה . אני אומר את זה , כי בדיוק אתמול , כן ? היא הייתה אצלי בבית . יא אללה , מי הדנית הזאת יודעת לעשות עם הפה שלה !! יותר טוב ממוסטאמאטו אפילו .

ומדבר אמת , הייתי מת לנסוע עד לבית שלך ולדפוק לך כאלו מכות , שלא היית שוכח בחיים . וואי וואי וואי וואי , תאמין לי , זה היה שווה את הכרטיס , רק לראות את הפרצוף המחוער שלך . להגיד לו "היי , זה אני , ג'ייבן" ולהכניס לו סנוקרת , אבל מה , סנוקרת ישר לביצה . אז בטוח לא היית כותב שטויות . הייתי גם מזיין את אחותך , אם כבר באתי , למה חבל לבזבז ככה כסף , הכרטיס מה זה יקר .

LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!! rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
im crying now !

נשבע לך, הרגת אותי עם הקטע של מדבראמת... יאאאא יש לי דמעות ! אהבתי :hug:
translation: Javenh>All

Anyway, yeah its a funny theard... one of the funniest i just laughed most of the time and mainly thanks for javenh...and like some one said in here you dont know the "Jewish self blame" hell we know we are not the best and we have so many problems and stuff we need to fix and make it better (like taxes for faken sake..to ****ing high) and so much argues in our socitey but when some one attacks israel (no matter how) we are always there to defend no matter who you are and what you are....thats the beauty in Israel, people will always be there to defend it (even if its with words in the internet) even if its not the best in the world...

anyway i need to say great posts for IDF and his good facts (Man.. the israeli goverment should hire you as our main spokesman)

oh and citizen.. you have a hot woman (kusit ahol baloa)
btw...didnt i hear about the jews having big ****s ? (or its just me rofl hehehe sorry i love to laugh from my jokes) so truth... i think you are wrong in here ;)

and there are some strong facts and info that i didnt know about so good to know.. cool stuff really

UoUo "ahi"...THATS THE SPIRIT !
i live in hafia and god its so nicey now when... i see the whole ocean from my window where i sit infront of my PC and god we do have a beautiful country...(best view ever!!!!)


and........

POWER RANGERS RULESSSSSSSSSS !!!!!
MUAUAUAUAUAUAUAUAUAUAU
(be vewy vewy qwiet...the power rangers is a zinoist sceme to take over the world...shhhhhhhhhhh)

ExtraT - are you an israeli who lives in canada ? because your views are kidna patriotic for some one overseas.. but great posts (and funny ones) rofl


btw you forgot one thing...Israel have the best chicks !!!! like that one *drools*
http://img40.photobucket.com/albums/v122/AirZone/040104_165917-414_re-exposure_of____4.jpg

very kosher if you ask me :oops:
http://img40.photobucket.com/albums/v122/AirZone/040104_165846-413_re-exposure_of____3.jpg

p.s.
mustamato and truthsayer - you can come and live in israel for a year if you want.. believe me your views will change.

and you can see how well arbs live in haifa...hell the christian arbs are very rich...you will also see the great Jews/Muslims(todays less)/Christan lives together even if they kinda hate Israel and they think themselfs as palastines but hell they are rich so they are just saying.. becuase thats what they learn from tv and ****.
יא אוכלי בולבולים לא כשרים של סוסים
:backhand:

[born_to_kill]

[quote=Javehn]שכולם ימצצו לי את הזין !! מוסטאמאטו , אתה ראשון בתור . עכשיו בחייאת תהיה עדין , אני יודע שאצלכם מזיינים סוסים בתחת בפינלד ושוודיה , אבל בעדינות !! או , יפה מאוד .
נילסן , אמא שלך זונה מוצצת בולבולים ואוכלת בתחת . עכשיו , לא , אני לא סתם אומר את זה . אני אומר את זה , כי בדיוק אתמול , כן ? היא הייתה אצלי בבית . יא אללה , מי הדנית הזאת יודעת לעשות עם הפה שלה !! יותר טוב ממוסטאמאטו אפילו .

ומדבר אמת , הייתי מת לנסוע עד לבית שלך ולדפוק לך כאלו מכות , שלא היית שוכח בחיים . וואי וואי וואי וואי , תאמין לי , זה היה שווה את הכרטיס , רק לראות את הפרצוף המחוער שלך . להגיד לו "היי , זה אני , ג'ייבן" ולהכניס לו סנוקרת , אבל מה , סנוקרת ישר לביצה . אז בטוח לא היית כותב שטויות . הייתי גם מזיין את אחותך , אם כבר באתי , למה חבל לבזבז ככה כסף , הכרטיס מה זה יקר .
ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFLMAO!!!!!!!!


Anyway , after reading these pages... let me say

I could give a **** what some un educated europe f@ggots say about israel, u probaly think were living in the desert and take camels to school, **** all of u why dont u come to israel you wont wanna leave

thanks citizen k , javen, and idf for making me laugh so hard.


edit: Oh and airzone, where you from in haifa? im from kiryat motzkin.

mustamato im looking down the window of my apartment right now and i see plenty of people happy eating icecream, i see a betcafe across the street thats full right now.

.. did u expect me to look outside and see camels roaming around?

go **** a horse

[AirZone]

rofl rofl rofl
horse... rofl rofl

ein al javenh ! rofl

yeah..i live in carmel maravi, i have the best view because im on the mountain and i can see the whole ocean..the good life ;) ...btw i also see "MAXIM" resturant... =\ but now they are like new.. *sighs*

anyway.. kiryat motzkin and you speak english ? psshhhhhhh KAVUD ! lol j/k mate =] but bummer from all the "zium avir" from the miprafz no ?

[Cambridge Rabbit]

[quote=Javehn]????? ????? ?? ?? ???? !! ????????? , ??btw you forgot one thing...Israel have the best chicks !!!! like that one *drools*
http://img40.photobucket.com/albums/v122/AirZone/040104_165917-414_re-exposure_of____4.jpg

very kosher if you ask me :oops:
http://img40.photobucket.com/albums/v122/AirZone/040104_165846-413_re-exposure_of____3.jpg


How on earth can you have a post about Israeli women being the most beautiful and NOT include Natalie Portman?!

:slap: ;)

[UkrainianAmerican]

Yeah, seriously.

[throat warbler mangrove]

Sayeret: Can you post the sniper photo full size please, and provide a narrative on when/where taken?

For all Israelis: any worry about the demographic argument? I.e, the exponential growth of Palestinians and the effect on Israel in 20-30 years.

[Sayeret]

To throat warbler mangrove

http://www.isayeret.com/sniping/jenin-snipers.jpg

A striking photo showing the various IDF standard issue sniping and sharpshooting systems during a raid in the Jenin refugee camp. From left to right - Barrett M82A1, M24 SWS and M16A2-E3 Designated Marksman System. Another sniper with M24 SWS is seen in the background. Note the unique tripod used for the M24 SWS in the middle.

I got the image from www.isayeret.com

[Sayeret]

I don't have any exact details but the Palestinians will outnumber the Israelis in ten years at their current birth rate.

[Celareon]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks3.jpg

[AirZone]

[quote=Javehn]????? ????? ?? ?? ???? !! ????????? , ??btw you forgot one thing...Israel have the best chicks !!!! like that one *drools*
http://img40.photobucket.com/albums/v122/AirZone/040104_165917-414_re-exposure_of____4.jpg

very kosher if you ask me :oops:
http://img40.photobucket.com/albums/v122/AirZone/040104_165846-413_re-exposure_of____3.jpg


How on earth can you have a post about Israeli women being the most beautiful and NOT include Natalie Portman?!

:slap: ;)

hehehe sorry me bad... :D but mabye she is beautiful but im not sure if she is hot.. we will see in Leon 2 (cant wait for that movie) :D


anyway throat you forgot one thing.. the fence not only stopping terrorists, and criminals going into israel.. also illegal refugees.

i guess the fence is our only hope... :|

[Javehn]

.. did u expect me to look outside and see camels roaming around?

I live in Nazareth . And all i see is camels outside :bash:
rofl

[citizen-k]

.. did u expect me to look outside and see camels roaming around?

I live in Nazareth . And all i see is camels outside :bash:
rofl

I was in Nazareth today - did not see any camels :roll:

[Javehn]

I was in Nazareth today - did not see any camels

Hey !! Where , mother ****er ?

[mack pl]

.. did u expect me to look outside and see camels roaming around?

I live in Nazareth . And all i see is camels outside :bash:
rofl

I was in Nazareth today - did not see any camels :roll:Because they have new camouflage-desert tigerstreap ;)

[AirZone]

Didnt you hear ? Super Lancer Camel Golf 2005

Made in germany... man those german know how to build camels i can ride to school in about 2mins (!!!!!) and its soo quite...

fast mofo rofl

[big80a2]

Hi guy's
I am a European :( and totaly don't support my fellow citizens in there views on Israel!!
grew up in Israel in Jeruzalem nice nice Gilo is a great place!

People here in Europe sometimes ask me what the name of my donkey was rofl rofl rofl

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

People here in Europe sometimes ask me what the name of my donkey was rofl rofl rofl
What was the name of your donkey?

[big80a2]

People here in Europe sometimes ask me what the name of my donkey was rofl rofl rofl
What was the name of your donkey?

rofl rofl Jacques Chirac rofl rofl rofl

[citizen-k]

I was in Nazareth today - did not see any camels

Hey !! Where , mother f*** ?

Fixing my car... will be there tommorow again to take it back.

Maybe I'll visit an old friend at "har-yona"... if I'll have some spare time.

[Javehn]

I was in Nazareth today - did not see any camels

Hey !! Where , mother f*** ?

Fixing my car... will be there tommorow again to take it back.

Maybe I'll visit an old friend at "har-yona"... if I'll have some spare time.

איזה קטע !! אני גר בדרומית אבל , די רחוק מהר יונה .
תקפוץ עלי לכוס קפה ;)

[Mark_Aspen]

Atah b'Kibbutz Yizrael?

[citizen-k]

Atah b'Kibbutz Yizrael?

Who? what? where? which?

[ExtraT]

For all Israelis: any worry about the demographic argument? I.e, the exponential growth of Palestinians and the effect on Israel in 20-30 years.

Oh yes. BTW, that problem is, pretty much, the main reason why there can never be peace with "palestinians". They already overloaded their natural resources (not to mention ****ted in some of them), and still continue to multiply like rabbits. No matter how much land Israel gives them, it will never be enough.

"Arab bretheren" can be proud of themselves - they manufactured a scurge on the Middle East.

[ExtraT]

ExtraT - are you an israeli who lives in canada ? because your views are kidna patriotic for some one overseas.. but great posts (and funny ones) rofl


Sorry I can't write anything in Hebrew - I don't have a Heb keyboard at work.

Yes, I'm an Israeli but I live in Canada right now. It's a family thing.



p.s.
mustamato and truthsayer - you can come and live in israel for a year if you want.. believe me your views will change.


Of course they won't. :) Have you seen many "smolanim" that changed their minds? And most of them live in Israel since they were born. :)

Add to that Musto's and Liar's antisemitism, and you're pretty much done. :)

As they say in Russian: "Only a grave can cure a humpback" :)

[AirZone]

rofl Well, today in israel there is no "yemanim" and "smolanim"

only yemani kizutni or smolani kizuni the rest are in the middle...


btw.. smolanim are stupid dont you understand finnish are not suckers when they will start to have a grow in the muslims in thier country they are going to kick them out sooner or later...

the smolanim kizunim are just bunch of peace and love morons without reality thinking..
you just got to love gosh salom views... so...idealistic... lol

[ExtraT]

btw.. smolanim are stupid dont you understand finnish are not suckers when they will start to have a grow in the muslims in thier country they are going to kick them out sooner or later...


I didn't say Mousto is a "smolani" - he's just a normal, europe certified, politically correct antisemite.

I just used "smolanim" as an example of people that never change.

And believe me, they haven't changed a bit. They are just afraid for their lives right now, so they changed their rhetoric alittle. But they remain "smolanim".

[tacticalmanta]

Meretz isn't smoleh?? heh..

You know it's funny all the Americans are very angry about Israel not thanking them enough for their help. However, how often to we hear Americans thanking Israel for the huge amounts of intel., military hardware, experience, education, and technology provided to the United States.

[spectre5]

Rääh.
Nice attitude fellas.

[mustamato]

Rääh.
Nice attitude fellas.

It´s simply chutzpah.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Rääh.
Nice attitude fellas.

It´s simply chutzpah.
:lol:

[IDFM203]

Wow I just looked over this thread and gees amazing what went down here
(especially some of mustamato'‘s retarded comments :roll: )

Speaking of him let me respond ;)

To mustamato,


So I see that you admit that you are an ungrateful euro who realizes that he should say thanks to the U.S. but cant bring yourself to say those words (which is very funny indeed :lol: ) for instead of addressing what I wrote about you saying thanks to the U.S. you come up with Finland’s relationship with Israel which is so off topic and has nothing to do with anything :roll:


I mean you talk about saying thanks, believe me when your fear comes true and the Russians “attack next time” :roll: believe me you will be doing a million thanks for that Israeli Spike that you all have now, that I can guarantee!! :D

Shalom :D

[mustamato]

believe me you will be doing a million thanks for that Israeli Spike that you all have now, that I can guarantee!!

A lession in Finnish for you

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/annat/Pstohj2000.jpg

Valmistusmaa Saksa = Country of manufacture, Germany.

:P

[ExtraT]

Valmistusmaa Saksa = Country of manufacture, Germany.


Well, Musto, you should hold on to that illusion, maybe it's the last thing that lets you sleep at night. That and the "Euro-Spike"

[Javehn]

Yes , offcorse , that's the "EURO SPIKE" , indeed . rofl What a nice PC , such lack of hipocrisy . Europe is indeed great place ;) .

Perhaps your Euro Spike is something like this ?

I present you the Netherland production , the NM-1 Assault rifle

http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/foreign/nl_nm1.jpg

Hey !!! WTF ??? It's somewhat reminds me something !! But what , i can't figure ....

Europe , oh great Europe ....

[UkrainianAmerican]

Yes , offcorse , that's the "EURO SPIKE" , indeed . rofl What a nice PC , such lack of hipocrisy . Europe is indeed great place ;) .

Perhaps your Euro Spike is something like this ?

I present you the Netherland production , the NM-1 Assault rifle

http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/foreign/nl_nm1.jpg

Hey !!! WTF ??? It's somewhat reminds me something !! But what , i can't figure ....

Europe , oh great Europe ....
UU UUUU I know, I know.
GALIL!
:D

[IDFM203]

mustamato,

hahah :lol: rofl you are still with that :lol:

hell even your Finnish countryman confirmed that it is an Israeli spike (and that is what most in the finnish army refer to it as) in another thread about this.

Yes it is Israeli designed and as such even if it is licensed produced in Europe because of Europe’s political hypocrisy, it is still Israeli.

Oh and I think even though it is licensed produced, not all the parts are and still the main electronic parts are still made in Israel

Either way it is an Israeli spike :D

Shalom :D

[Javehn]

UU UUUU I know, I know.
GALIL!
:D

You get 10 points , and second hand "cammel cleo " .
I hope you like it ;)

[UkrainianAmerican]

Can an Israeli laugh?
Can they tell jokes and relax?
Lets test the ice here Israel is a load of Donkey ****, the women are cheap and they have **** beer! rofl
Who ever said Israeli beer is good?

[Javehn]

Can an Israeli laugh?
Can they tell jokes and relax?
Lets test the ice here Israel is a load of Donkey ****, the women are cheap and they have **** beer! rofl

Ireland have ugly redheads , ****ing gay leprickons , Guiness that you can fuel a F-22 with , and the most funny accent in the world ;)

[UkrainianAmerican]

Can an Israeli laugh?
Can they tell jokes and relax?
Lets test the ice here Israel is a load of Donkey ****, the women are cheap and they have **** beer! rofl

Ireland have ugly redheads , f*** gay leprickons , Guiness that you can fuel a F-22 with , and the most funny accent in the world ;)
Hey easy on the Guinness. I like it. :lol:

[tacticalmanta]

and share a tiny island with a country colonised by wankers.

[Javehn]

Hey easy on the Guinness. I like it. :lol:

:bash: :bash: :bash:
And now they can't even smoke cigars in the pubs . :bash:

[UkrainianAmerican]

Hey easy on the Guinness. I like it. :lol:

:bash: :bash: :bash:
And now they can't even smoke cigars in Irish pubs . :bash:
Yeah same here in new york Fcuking mayor bloomberg (stupid jew), outlawed smoking in bars, pubs restaurants, you name it.
RA>:slap:<Bloomberg

[Javehn]

I wanna do some trip to Europe soon . If i will trip in Ireland , i wouldn't be wasted by some IRA dude that is Hisballah supporter , or something ? I wanna see your Oireachtas ;)

[citizen-k]

Can an Israeli laugh?
Can they tell jokes and relax?
Lets test the ice here Israel is a load of Donkey ****, the women are cheap and they have **** beer! rofl

Ireland have ugly redheads , f*** gay leprickons , Guiness that you can fuel a F-22 with , and the most funny accent in the world ;)

1. Redheads are HOT! (HOT!HOT!HOT!)
2. Guiness is one of the best beers in the world

Accent? drink more guiness and it will sound fine.

[IDFM203]

and they have **** beer! roflahh the first and only thing you got right in this thread!!

Indeed Israeli beer is **** :P

Anyways let me see your nation top that list in the first post on this thread ;)

Shalom :D

[tacticalmanta]

Hey, I'd drink Maccabi over Milkwalkee's Best anyday.

[Javehn]

Makabi is perhaps **** , but i prefer it over Guiness . I have a friend that drinks Guiness like a water :| :| . Now , wass up with that ?

[citizen-k]

Makabi is perhaps **** , but i prefer it over Guiness . I have a friend that drinks Guiness like a water :| :| . Now , wass up with that ?
"perhaps ****"? rofl

It's the best redefinition of "****" there is in Hebrew!

Next thing you'll tell me is you like to smoke "Time"... :cantbeli:

[UkrainianAmerican]

Makabi is perhaps **** , but i prefer it over Guiness . I have a friend that drinks Guiness like a water :| :| . Now , wass up with that ?
"perhaps ****"? rofl

It's the best redefinition of "****" there is in Hebrew!

Next thing you'll tell me is you like to smoke "Time"... :cantbeli:
Never heard of that brand.

[AirZone]

I like corola...tastes like water...and i like water... :lol:

[Javehn]

Makabi is perhaps **** , but i prefer it over Guiness . I have a friend that drinks Guiness like a water :| :| . Now , wass up with that ?
"perhaps ****"? rofl

It's the best redefinition of "****" there is in Hebrew!

Next thing you'll tell me is you like to smoke "Time"... :cantbeli:

No , just L&M . And i am trying to quit . ;)
But there was a times , that i had a dark allience with "Noobles" .
קפוץ עלי בכל זאת , לדקת קפה , בשכונה הכי מעפנה בנצרת עלית

[UkrainianAmerican]

Makabi is perhaps **** , but i prefer it over Guiness . I have a friend that drinks Guiness like a water :| :| . Now , wass up with that ?
"perhaps ****"? rofl

It's the best redefinition of "****" there is in Hebrew!

Next thing you'll tell me is you like to smoke "Time"... :cantbeli:

No , just L&M . And i am trying to quit . ;)
קפוץ עלי בכל זאת , לדקת קפה , בשכונה הכי מעפנה בנצרת עלית
You gotta try Lucky Strike.
ANd camel gold.

[ExtraT]

Makabi is perhaps **** , but i prefer it over Guiness . I have a friend that drinks Guiness like a water :| :| . Now , wass up with that ?
"perhaps ****"? rofl

It's the best redefinition of "****" there is in Hebrew!

Next thing you'll tell me is you like to smoke "Time"... :cantbeli:

No , just L&M . And i am trying to quit . ;)
קפוץ עלי בכל זאת , לדקת קפה , בשכונה הכי מעפנה בנצרת עלית
You gotta try Lucky Strike.
ANd camel gold.

Damn you all, smokers. :bash:

I'm working in this company - these bastards smoke like f*cken locomotives! There is ash al around the office. Disgusting. :(

[UkrainianAmerican]

Makabi is perhaps **** , but i prefer it over Guiness . I have a friend that drinks Guiness like a water :| :| . Now , wass up with that ?
"perhaps ****"? rofl

It's the best redefinition of "****" there is in Hebrew!

Next thing you'll tell me is you like to smoke "Time"... :cantbeli:

No , just L&M . And i am trying to quit . ;)
קפוץ עלי בכל זאת , לדקת קפה , בשכונה הכי מעפנה בנצרת עלית
You gotta try Lucky Strike.
ANd camel gold.

Damn you all, smokers. :bash:

I'm working in this company - these bastards smoke like f*cken locomotives! There is ash al around the office. Disgusting. :(
they Smoke IN the office?
Couldnt get away with doing it in NYC.

[Javehn]

Man , i would kill myself in NYC ....
Nothing better , then to take a first smoke of siggarete , after a long week in the field training , when you smoked the whole supply in 2 days . Yep , absolutly nothing better . Perhaps a nice cold beer , but that was prohibited .... :( Almost ;)

RA , have you heard of Israeli sigaretes "No Bless" ? :lol: "Nobless" ?

[mustamato]

hell even your Finnish countryman confirmed that it is an Israeli spike (and that is what most in the finnish army refer to it as) in another thread about this.

Of course Spike is Israeli, didn´t you see my " :P "? But "officially", well you
can see for yourself on the picture, not a word about Israel. And I would guess
that most in the Finnish army refer to it as PstOhj 2000 or Euro-Spike, and not
"this Israeli (made in Germany though) shiat".

[ExtraT]

they Smoke IN the office?
Couldnt get away with doing it in NYC.

Shouldn't get away with here too. But don't worry I get back at them - I open up all the windows to let fresh air come in - and it freezes the bastards. So, they close the windows, and I open them again.
It's a tug of war. :)

[UkrainianAmerican]

Nothing better , then to take a first smoke of siggarete , after a long week in the field training , when you smoked the whole supply in 2 days . Yep , absolutly nothing better . Perhaps a nice cold beer , but that was prohibited .... :( Almost ;)

RA , have you heard of Israeli sigaretes "No Bless" ? :lol: "Nobles" ?
No. Thankfully in US, I can rely on "domestic brands"m, cuz they are the SHIZNIT.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Makabi is perhaps **** , but i prefer it over Guiness . I have a friend that drinks Guiness like a water :| :| . Now , wass up with that ?
"perhaps ****"? rofl

It's the best redefinition of "****" there is in Hebrew!

Next thing you'll tell me is you like to smoke "Time"... :cantbeli:

No , just L&M . And i am trying to quit . ;)
קפוץ עלי בכל זאת , לדקת קפה , בשכונה הכי מעפנה בנצרת עלית
You gotta try Lucky Strike.
ANd camel gold.

Damn you all, smokers. :bash:

I'm working in this company - these bastards smoke like f*cken locomotives! There is ash al around the office. Disgusting. :(
they Smoke IN the office?
Couldnt get away with doing it in NYC.

Shouldn't get away with here too. But don't worry I get back at them - I open up all the windows to let fresh air come in - and it freezes the bastards. So, the close the windows, and I open them again.
It's a tug of war. :)
I am all for smokers-rights, but smoking in the office, where other people work, is immoral. They DESERVE to be fired.

[mustamato]

Yes , offcorse , that's the "EURO SPIKE" , indeed . rofl What a nice PC , such lack of hipocrisy . Europe is indeed great place ;) .

Perhaps your Euro Spike is something like this ?

I present you the Netherland production , the NM-1 Assault rifle

http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/foreign/nl_nm1.jpg

Hey !!! WTF ??? It's somewhat reminds me something !! But what , i can't figure ....

Europe , oh great Europe ....

Ah and you do know from where Galil got its receiver? Ah yep yep:

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/rynkyt%20riviss%E4.jpg

:P <-- meaning that I´m not very serious now. Shalom my friends.

[AirZone]

I HATE SMOKING !

my dad smokes...my sis smokes...god i really hate it...i hope they will stop :(

you know passive smokes hurts you extract ? you should ask them to stop it.. i mean we learned about it and passive smoking hurts you allmost like a real smoke...

about the GALIL and the rest...they all came from the same weapon...the ugly AK47 :P

[citizen-k]

Makabi is perhaps **** , but i prefer it over Guiness . I have a friend that drinks Guiness like a water :| :| . Now , wass up with that ?
"perhaps ****"? rofl

It's the best redefinition of "****" there is in Hebrew!

Next thing you'll tell me is you like to smoke "Time"... :cantbeli:
Never heard of that brand.

It's an Israeli cigarette... (I think...)

http://jas.faximum.com/library/cigs/packs/israel.jpg


It's horrible!

[TALOS]

never smoked even once, but beer, we KNOW beer in Canada, "the best beer is here"
I like Sleemans myself but will drink henry weinhart from oregan in a pinch.

[UkrainianAmerican]

never smoked even once, but beer, we KNOW beer in Canada, "the best beer is here"
I like Sleemans myself but will drink henry weinhart from oregan in a pinch.
Nope. Its from Chech Republic.
:P

[TALOS]

never smoked even once, but beer, we KNOW beer in Canada, "the best beer is here"
I like Sleemans myself but will drink henry weinhart from oregan in a pinch.
Nope. Its from Chech Republic.
:P

:D HAHA, gotta argue that one, but then again its all about individual taste right ;)

[big80a2]

never smoked even once, but beer, we KNOW beer in Canada, "the best beer is here"
I like Sleemans myself but will drink henry weinhart from oregan in a pinch.
Nope. Its from Chech Republic.
:P

The Chechs have nice beer they pack it like champange.

But Dutch beer is best.
And makabi isn't that bad at all....
even Saddam son's liked it rofl

[Javehn]

Yes , offcorse , that's the "EURO SPIKE" , indeed . rofl What a nice PC , such lack of hipocrisy . Europe is indeed great place ;) .

Perhaps your Euro Spike is something like this ?

I present you the Netherland production , the NM-1 Assault rifle

http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/foreign/nl_nm1.jpg

Hey !!! WTF ??? It's somewhat reminds me something !! But what , i can't figure ....

Europe , oh great Europe ....

Ah and you do know from where Galil got its receiver? Ah yep yep:

http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jkoykka/kertaus-net/images/rynkyt%20riviss%E4.jpg

:P <-- meaning that I´m not very serious now. Shalom my friends.

And you really think i didn't anticipated that comming , Mustamato ?? You are obvios , like a shallow waters , common ! Yes , Galili planned his rifle on Sako Valmet rk.62 , it's well know fact . Just like the fact that Valmet is based on AK , and AK is based on Shturmgever 44 . Every little soldier in the army knows that Galil isn't Israeli invention (well , to be honest , the popular knowledge is , that's it's directly based on Ak ) .
Now , i am assuring you , that not many Netherland soldiers know the origin of NM-1 . And NM-1 isn't based on Israeli Galil .
IT IS ISRAELI GALIL !
JUST LIKE YOUR "EURO SPIKE" . ;)

It's just all matter of Politicaly correct . Well , i am shure you are not full , and you know how that works pretty well .

BTW , Musti , i am readin now some book about Lachti/Saloranta machine gun . I must say , that the L/S-26 is very handy peace of work , done just by one guy .

[mustamato]

BTW , Musti , i am readin now some book about Lachti/Saloranta machine gun . I must say , that the L/S-26 is very handy peace of work , done just by one guy .

Lahti-Saloranta was a piece of ****. It was too perfectly made, too small tolerances
so it took just a little sand (or grease freezing in the winter) for it to jam. Just like
in the MG34. But there it could be used on vehicles etc because it was beltfed,
with the small magazine capacity of the Lahti-Saloranta it was not possible. Finnish
soldiers preferred captured Soviet Degtyarev LMG´s. I guess it can be said that
it was little like the Israeli Dror LMG that shared the same problems (too small
tolerances, small magazine capacity, being a heavy bitch etc).

http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/images/Jatkosota/Varusteet/Lahti-SalorantaPikakiv%E4%E4ri.jpg
But it looks rather nice though :P

http://www.north-front.ru/Finnish/foto1/Pictures/summa3_JPG.jpg

[Javehn]

No way !!
As i understood , Russian soldiers and Finn soldiers did a little exchange between them . Soviet troops picked up the L/S , and they enjoyed it , as it says in my book , and the finns preffered to shoot Degtyarev, like you said .

BTW , what does "Valtion Kivaaritehdas jyvaskyla" means ??

Wait , i will get a better picture of it for you :

http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v103/javehn/LS.jpg

Damn the bleedy scanner :bash: How to calibrate this piss of **** ? :bash:

[mustamato]

No way !!
As i understood , Russian soldiers and Finn soldiers did a little exchange between them . Soviet troops picked up the L/S , and they enjoyed it , as it says in my book , and the finns preffered to shoot Degtyarev, like you said .

BTW , what does "Valtion Kivaaritehdas jyvaskyla" means ??
Wait , i will get a better picture off it for you :

Didn´t know that, but well why not. I guess a Soviet soldier with a Mosin-Nagant
took a killed Finns LMG and fired with it until the ammo was gone, (hm, they used
the same rifle ammo of course). Finnish soldiers with bolt-action rifles often took
the PPSh-41´s and PPS-42/43 of killed Soviet soldiers and used them until running
out of ammo. In example:

http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/images/Jatkosota/Rintama/4407KannasKPmiesVuosalmella.jpg

http://www.mannerheim-line.com/photogallery/valonawinter.jpg
Suomi KP31, I´ve heard that in Leningrad during the
siege a simplified copy was produced in limited numbers,
called KF42, but never seen any pictures of it

Valtion Kivääritehdas (VKT), Jyväskylä simply means "The states rifle factory in Jyväskylä",
(which is a Finnish city). By the way, try using some other program with your scanner,
I have MGI Photosuite, works fine and is very "basic".

[Javehn]

Didn´t know that, but well why not

Strange , because the down picture says , "Manerhiem line" , and that's exactly called the book where it's says that Soviet loved L/S . Velimir Molotov , "Manerheim line" , and i think that the picture is also in the book . It's also says that Finns took Soviet Tokarev SVT-38 , and SVT-40.

[Cambridge Rabbit]

hehehe sorry me bad... :D but mabye she is beautiful but im not sure if she is hot..
we will see in Leon 2 (cant wait for that movie) :D

http://frutsel.terrainhost.com/frutselapp/dump/CambridgeRabbit/np.jpg

Yeah, you're right. I think she represents a classical beauty, not simply hot ;)

Hey, I know ... how about we start sending Israel $500 billion (or even a cool trillion) every year, and in return you send us a few hundred thousand of those olive-skinned goddesses you've got running around over there? Oh, and along with the money, you have to adopt all of our fat women (which I think is about 70% now :lol: ) and either reform them and send them back, or drive them into the Red Sea.

:D

[IDFM203]

Haha :lol: no need for any trade to see any beautiful Israeli women, just go to Miami, NY or LA and you can find plenty of Israelis there ;)

As for that 70 percent that you want to send to Israel, no way and no amount of money can make any Israeli expect that!!

Now if you want to talk about reform, just send that 70 percent over to any Islamic nation and believe me you will see a lot of reforming going on p-) (as to who will be reformed, well that I will leave up to anyone’s conclusions)




But there was a times , that i had a dark allience with "Noobles" .
Hey what’s a “shiryonear” ever doing smoking “nubles”? ;) for I thought that its confined only to “Nachlauim” (soldiers in Nachal or in english, Nahal ;) ) oh and don’t even start with me, I don’t smoke at all :D

Shalom :D

[UkrainianAmerican]

Haha :lol: no need for any trade to see any beautiful Israeli women, just go to Miami, NY or LA and you can find plenty of Israelis there ;)

The man knows what he is talking about.

[Mark_Aspen]

Javehn. I feel cheated. My Galil never had the handy-dandy little carry piece. We even had to do 20 k to "earn" the damn sling. On the up side, we got to eat at Abu Shukri's after the tekes. Had to stop after Intifada I started.

[Sayeret]

ExtraT wrote:


Oh yes. BTW, that problem is, pretty much, the main reason why there can never be peace with "palestinians". They already overloaded their natural resources (not to mention ****ted in some of them), and still continue to multiply like rabbits. No matter how much land Israel gives them, it will never be enough.

I would say that it isn't a problem of there being too many Palestinians but the fact that the Palestinians keep teaching their kids that Jews are bad and that you should kill them.

[AirZone]

hehehe sorry me bad... :D but mabye she is beautiful but im not sure if she is hot..
we will see in Leon 2 (cant wait for that movie) :D

http://frutsel.terrainhost.com/frutselapp/dump/CambridgeRabbit/np.jpg

Yeah, you're right. I think she represents a classical beauty, not simply hot ;)

Hey, I know ... how about we start sending Israel $500 billion (or even a cool trillion) every year, and in return you send us a few hundred thousand of those olive-skinned goddesses you've got running around over there? Oh, and along with the money, you have to adopt all of our fat women (which I think is about 70% now :lol: ) and either reform them and send them back, or drive them into the Red Sea.

:D

rofl rofl rofl rofl
damn...classical beauty ownz.. if i could find my pics of israeli night clubs you will piss yourself...not only the israeli girls are hot but they are sluty too.. GOOD FOR US woot woot woot.

well ok just in the night clubs with eizi pizi mini cloths...but in everyday life its a pain with those girls...*sighs* yep... beer makes girls different..and horney MUAUAUAUUAA i think not only in israel but all over the world.. well except finland with the horses and all :lol: hehe j/k

[UkrainianAmerican]

IT seems like I should come over for a visit with my gang.

[AirZone]

NONONONO SHOOOOOOOOO GO AWAY !

those chicks are ours !!!

you can have fun with all the fat ones in NY (i was there once...OMFG.. and in orlando...double OMFG)


hehehe j/k ;) come over here i will give you a tour in hafia.. (if you ask me we have the hottest girls in israe..well not israel but more like the north of israel)

[UkrainianAmerican]

NONONONO SHOOOOOOOOO GO AWAY !

those chicks are ours !!!

you can have fun with all the fat ones in NY (i was there once...OMFG.. and in orlando...double OMFG)


hehehe j/k ;) come over here i will give you a tour in hafia.. (if you ask me we have the hottest girls in israe..well not israel but more like the north of israel)
Just out of curiosity, have you been to any nightclubs here?
If not then be quiet, cuz our hotties like to come out at night :D
Btw, will I be able to gt around with just English and Russian?

[StukaJr]

No way !!
As i understood , Russian soldiers and Finn soldiers did a little exchange between them . Soviet troops picked up the L/S , and they enjoyed it , as it says in my book , and the finns preffered to shoot Degtyarev, like you said .


It's weird how russian and germans covetted each other's SMG's more than their own sometimes - germans preffered Ppsh41 to their own and the captured ammo was plenty and russian regular units (mostly razvedchics) carried MP40's. Use of captured small arms was not at all rare in both Russian and German armies.

In case of L/S - russians didn't really have a LMG with same characteristics and neither did the finns have an alternative to Degtyarev. I'm sure it was not the case of a russian machine gunner discarding his DPM in favor of L/S - I'm sure a Soviet rifleman would have loved anything as additional firepower in his trench and visa versa :) Allocation of MG's to rifle squads was less than desired and importance of SMG's was not realized until after the Finnish debacle

[born_to_kill]

Even though dana international used to be a man, id still **** her :petting:

[mustamato]

Even though dana international used to be a man, id still f*** her :petting:

I would definitively not.

http://dana.hobi.ru/photo/titles/danamag07.jpg

[UkrainianAmerican]

That faggot should be killed.

[TALOS]

*PUKE* oops sorry, couldnt keep my dinner down! :oops: :cantbeli:

[born_to_kill]

man he/she is so hot! rofl

[UkrainianAmerican]

man he/she is so hot! rofl
Homo.

[tacticalmanta]

Dana International looks better than any woman I have seen from Finland.
http://www.destinasjontromso.no/thumbs/bilder/reinmerking.jpg
http://www.benjaminbezek.net/etnologija/foto39m.jpg

[ExtraT]

man he/she is so hot! rofl

Come one, man! How can you even suggest sucj a thing. It (Dana International) is disgusting!

[IDFM203]

I believe this might be the first time that I agree with mustamato, for indeed defiantly NOT!!

I mean for most Israelis it is also defiantly not, hell why do you think we got rid of her and sent her over to Europe :D , oh and they voted her number one at Eurovision rofl rofl hahahaha rofl rofl yep she is perfect for Europe for obviously that’s what they like over there p-) :D

Shalom :D

[Javehn]

Dana is international homofaggot .
:roll:



NONONONO SHOOOOOOOOO GO AWAY !

those chicks are ours !!!

you can have fun with all the fat ones in NY (i was there once...OMFG.. and in orlando...double OMFG)


hehehe j/k ;) come over here i will give you a tour in hafia.. (if you ask me we have the hottest girls in israe..well not israel but more like the north of israel)
Just out of curiosity, have you been to any nightclubs here?
If not then be quiet, cuz our hotties like to come out at night :D
Btw, will I be able to gt around with just English and Russian?

You can use get fine just with one language , you choose which one . ;)

[citizen-k]

Btw, will I be able to gt around with just English and Russian?

With Russian you will be able to get around BETTER then any Israeli who doesn't know russian.

But, there are some new Russian words toy won't understand:

-"Poteach tik vakasha"
-"Kartis moadon yesh?"
-"s'eder..."

other then that, you'll do just fine.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Btw, will I be able to gt around with just English and Russian?

With Russian you will be able to get around BETTER then any Israeli who doesn't know russian.

But, there are some new Russian words toy won't understand:

-"Poteach tik vakasha"
-"Kartis moadon yesh?"
-"s'eder..."

other then that, you'll do just fine.
:lol:
What d those words mean btw? :oops:

[ExtraT]

"Open your bag, please"
"Do you have a club membership card?"
"Alright"

[UkrainianAmerican]

"Open your bag, please"
"Do you have a club membership card?"
"Alright"
rofl rofl rofl

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

You guys still banging on about how great Israel is, just forget it you cannot produce a decent band but your Amercan kin have got that sorted.
We have had Nazi straight edge, Red pop now listen to Zionist hardcore, folks I give you Jewdriver with catchy songs such as Our Blame Is Goyim Glee.
www.jewdriver.com

[UkrainianAmerican]

You guys still banging on about how great Israel is, just forget it you cannot produce a decent band but your Amercan kin have got that sorted.
We have had Nazi straight edge, Red pop now listen to Zionist hardcore, folks I give you Jewdriver with catchy songs such as Our Blame Is Goyim Glee.
www.jewdriver.com
LOL, never heard of it.

[Javehn]

You guys still banging on about how great Israel is, just forget it you cannot produce a decent band but your Amercan kin have got that sorted.
We have had Nazi straight edge, Red pop now listen to Zionist hardcore, folks I give you Jewdriver with catchy songs such as Our Blame Is Goyim Glee.
www.jewdriver.com

:bash: :bash:
rofl
What tha ?

If you know what is Trance/House style , then you also should know the leading export country of the style ;) . "Infected Mushroom" for example . woot

[IDFM203]

You guys still banging on about how great Israel is, No we already proved that :D .....in case you hadn’t relized, we actually moved passed that to bashing our own beer and we bashed one of our famous exports (dana international)

So no we are passed that

Though I still cant get over how dana won in Europe rofl rofl (believe me, you want her/him you can have her/him ;) )

Shalom :D

[ExtraT]

You guys still banging on about how great Israel is, No we already proved that :D .....in case you hadn’t relized, we actually moved passed that to bashing our own beer and we bashed one of our famous exports (dana international)

So no we are passed that

Though I still cant get over how dana won in Europe rofl rofl (believe me, you want her/him you can have her/him ;) )

Shalom :D

I remember the day "it" won. Eurovision. I was in Lebanon, and we were watching it live. I must admit - we celebrated :(. I guess a bunch of bored soldiers don't need much of a reason to celebrate.

[IDFM203]

I remember the day "it" won. Eurovision. I was in Lebanon, and we were watching it live. I must admit - we celebrated :(. I guess a bunch of bored soldiers don't need much of a reason to celebrate. Well I guess you have somewhat of an excuse, oh also I am sure you were celebrating that Israel won more so that “it” won if that makes any sense, and that’s somewhat fine, though what are Europe’s excuse for voting her to win and going crazy for “it” ;) :cantbeli:

Shalom :D

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Though I still cant get over how dana won in Europe rofl rofl
Don't rub our noses in it, a sad day for Eurovision. :(

[S'13]

Don't rub our noses in it, a sad day for Eurovision. :(

The Eurovision is a sad thing in general...

[citizen-k]

You guys still banging on about how great Israel is, just forget it you cannot produce a decent band but your Amercan kin have got that sorted.
We have had Nazi straight edge, Red pop now listen to Zionist hardcore, folks I give you Jewdriver with catchy songs such as Our Blame Is Goyim Glee.
www.jewdriver.com

Ali-G

Infected mashroom

Orphand land

Dana International

(there are some older famous singers and bands but I'll leave them out)

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Ali-G

Infected mashroom

Orphand land

Dana International
You cannot mean our Ali-G no way man he is ours.
Never heard of either Infected mashroom or Orphand land though I did listen to very cool Israeli black metal band a while back forgot their name.

[Javehn]

By the way , who won the Yuleb Cup this year , someone knows ?
Just interesting .... The game was yesterday p-)


You cannot mean our Ali-G no way man he is ours.

I bellieve Sasha Baron Kohen . Recognise . ;)

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I bellieve Baron Kohen . Recognise . ;)
Sasha Baron Cohen
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/sel0004l.jpg

[Javehn]

so , who won the Yuleb Cup this year , someone knows ? Just interesting ... Who can beat Real Madrid ?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I bellieve Baron Kohen . Recognise . ;)
Sasha Baron Cohen

Hmm .... Look up one post before yours ;) ;)
I thougt he was English, so was he born in Israel.
Early on in his career he used to appear in a sketch show as a Rabbi he was f*cking ace, we just love religous parodies over here

[IDFM203]

I bellieve Baron Kohen . Recognise . ;)
Sasha Baron Cohen

Hmm .... Look up one post before yours ;) ;)
I thougt he was English, so was he born in Israel.
Early on in his career he used to appear in a sketch show as a Rabbi he was f*cking ace, we just love religous parodies over here I have a few Brit freinds and they indeed "love" him.

He is huge in Britian, correct?

Shalom :D

[cut]

so , who won the Yuleb Cup this year , someone knows ? Just interesting ... Who can beat Real Madrid ?

Monaco did recently

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

He is huge in Britian, correct?
He was big for a while during the early Ali-G shows and the movie was magic, he himself reckons that he has done enough of Ali-G and wants to do other stuff, writes a lot of comedy scripts for others. I hope he comes back with another good character. :)

[Javehn]

I think he was bron in Israel , and in young age transfered to UK . He is ****ing funny as hell . He and DJ DA-FORCE . Buyakasha (By the way , if you didn't know . the word Buyakasha that Ali-G constantly repeating is hebrew word "Bevakasha" , means "Please" . Hehehe , we ****ing rool the world ) . And the Boris guy from Tajikistan or god knows where , is ****ing hillarios . And his Jully .

I remember he was in Israel , and he had some shooting accident in his hotel room . I was in Eylat when i read that , no one even knew he came to Israel until that accident .

[citizen-k]

so , who won the Yuleb Cup this year , someone knows ? Just interesting ... Who can beat Real Madrid ?

Monaco did recently

Jerusalem did it yesterday.

[Javehn]

so , who won the Yuleb Cup this year , someone knows ? Just interesting ... Who can beat Real Madrid ?

Monaco did recently

I wasn't aware Yuleb cup is soccer . Yes , every day something new ... :roll:
I thought there were yesterday game , of perhaps , basketball ?

[big80a2]

You guys still banging on about how great Israel is, just forget it you cannot produce a decent band but your Amercan kin have got that sorted.
We have had Nazi straight edge, Red pop now listen to Zionist hardcore, folks I give you Jewdriver with catchy songs such as Our Blame Is Goyim Glee.
www.jewdriver.com

Ali-G

Infected mashroom

Orphand land

Dana International


(there are some older famous singers and bands but I'll leave them out)

i like Subliminal!!! they rule!!!
really good hebrew hiphop, they/he also have some nice french rap songs

[AirZone]

NONONONO SHOOOOOOOOO GO AWAY !

those chicks are ours !!!

you can have fun with all the fat ones in NY (i was there once...OMFG.. and in orlando...double OMFG)


hehehe j/k ;) come over here i will give you a tour in hafia.. (if you ask me we have the hottest girls in israe..well not israel but more like the north of israel)
Just out of curiosity, have you been to any nightclubs here?
If not then be quiet, cuz our hotties like to come out at night :D
Btw, will I be able to gt around with just English and Russian?

Nightclubs in USA ?!
EKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

boring hip hop...

Dance/House/EuroeHouse/Trance>all !

and born to kill.. how you can **** some one with a **** ? rofl

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

how you can f*** some one with a **** ? rofl
Have you tried Googling it. :D

[cut]

so , who won the Yuleb Cup this year , someone knows ? Just interesting ... Who can beat Real Madrid ?

Monaco did recently

I wasn't aware Yuleb cup is soccer . Yes , every day something new ... :roll:
I thought there were yesterday game , of perhaps , basketball ?

We don't take basketball seriously hence why you are the best team in "Europe"

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

We don't take basketball seriously hence why you are the best team in "Europe"
Mmm....Israel plays basketball and football in European leagues they also compete in Eurovision I think I see a trend coming on. ;)

[UkrainianAmerican]

ALi G is ISraeli?
Fo real dogz?
Holy ****.
Ahahahhaha.
Hes my role-model (almost)

[UkrainianAmerican]

F*CK trance. I can only listen to that **** when I am very drunk, otherwise I get nauseus.

[born_to_kill]

atem oevim trekkim??

[IDFM203]

We don't take basketball seriously hence why you are the best team in "Europe"
Mmm....Israel plays basketball and football in European leagues they also compete in Eurovision I think I see a trend coming on. ;)First of all the proper way to say what you said is that Israel wins in... and wins in that... ;)

Secondly the trend is that if we win too much well the trend would be up and well in that case we will next go for the NBA title and to the Grammies ;) and not a continuation of winning in what is admittingly an amateurish league or amateur song contests that are found in Europe p-)

Thirdly to cut, yeah we don’t either....so what, no one does and as such that is why there was a fair playing field.

With interest being all equal or close to it, Israel’s win is IMO not to be diminished from an European viewpoint such as yourself because you claim there is little interest in Europe which I don’t think so but even so that is a premier basketball tournament for Europe and well Israel are champions (even though in truth I personally couldn’t care two ****s if we won or lost or even if we played in it…..but that is just me ;) )

Shalom :D

[born_to_kill]

IDF, dont bust a sweat about it... Just because maccabe telaviv kicks there ass at basketball he says its because they dont care :roll: :roll: :roll: