Video of palestinians shot

[cazorp]

Found this in a swedish major newspaper, semi-graphic content, unfortunaltely in Swedish:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,922175,00.html

Basically ambulance picks up wounded palestinians, weapons left behind is target for young palestinian males, trying to fetch em - the pictures say the rest..

Video shown here:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/atv/player.html?catID=10&clipID=12428

[Createdeemcee]

Great video!

Shows their persistance. The IDF could have really plucked off a few more. Looks like they were being generous.

[KillerBD]

It looks like the Palestinians desirved it, they shouldn't have tried to grab them weapons laying on the road.

[cazorp]

Hey - they got their 2 guns, and 2 bullets... eye for an eye policy by IDF ;)

[fantomas]

they need better target practice. i heard like 8 shots and only 2 of em were hit. piss poor shooting IDF, piss poor. is this is gaza? a buddy of mine is being deployed to gaza in 1 week, he's with Golani brigade.

[david2999]

I like the headline; "They risked their lives to save their buddy."
Should have been "They risked their lives to save poor helpless weapons."
:cantbeli:

[GiladS]

they need better target practice. i heard like 8 shots and only 2 of em were hit. piss poor shooting IDF, piss poor.

Do you even know at what range it was that you allow yourself to give such commentary?

Not to mention that hitting a moving target isn't the easiest task in the world (with the press running around it to top it off!)...

[fantomas]

Do you even know at what range it was that you allow yourself to give such commentary?

Not to mention that hitting a moving target isn't the easiest task in the world (with the press running around it to top it off!)...


it was a joke dumbass.

[GiladS]

it was a joke dumbass.

Then add an emotion next time (I can't read your mind) and don't get all pissy about it.

[Noob Brit]

Video kept crapping out on me but did the 2 who actually took the weapons get away?

[Mr.Flint]

It was quite amusing how they left their buddy behind, im curious what is he trying to signal? is he signaling to the camera man to keep shooting, and to the crowd to stay back out of the camera view?

[ya2]

they act like the weapon is more important than their lives....

[cazorp]

It seems much is more important than life in many parts of M.East.. Jihad, for instance..

[Hawkeye]

they act like the weapon is more important than their lives....

When you're convinced that what you're doing is right, then that might just be the case.

[sekiryuu]

And people say that the 5.56 doesn't have enough stopping power--seems to have knocked them to the ground quite effectively.

[fantomas]

what were those rifles they were trying to pick up? didnt look like any AR or AK derivatives.

[Roanoke]

And people say that the 5.56 doesn't have enough stopping power--seems to have knocked them to the ground quite effectively.

But a 7.62 might have killed them outright. :p

I don't think he got two hits. It looks like the one shot later on just scares the crap out of the guy carrying the wounded man, and he drops the wounded man on the ground and runs like a wussy.

I wonder if it would have been better if they would have opened up on them.

[MkH]

nevermind...

[Hypno85]

Should of burst fired on them.

[cazorp]

And people say that the 5.56 doesn't have enough stopping power--seems to have knocked them to the ground quite effectively.

Well, most calibers hurts unarmored humans I'd say.. but add a body-armour, kevlar helmet, a car door etc..

[NimDod]

looks like an AK47 with a folding stock to me. they have lots of them.
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3554/akmspk5.jpg

[thscott83]

Strange that they ran straight down the road, instead of through the brush where they could at least hide...

Plus, there was a cameraman in their path..

I smell Pallywood at work...

[Ermak]

Saw this on the news tonight. But they only showed the second guy getting shot, and they didn't mention any weapons :roll:

[fox_111]

Strange that they ran straight down the road, instead of through the brush where they could at least hide...

Plus, there was a cameraman in their path..

I smell Pallywood at work...

They have good stuntman than. And good blood effect.


I think it's real. They ran down the road because they are not military, just dumb kids.

[GiladS]

They have good stuntman than. And good blood effect.


They don't need special effects (editing also works), just read the post above yours.



I think it's real. They ran down the road because they are not military, just dumb kids.


The moment you are retrieving weapons for a militia, you are a combatant.

I also highly doubt that bearded guy was a teen.

[thscott83]

I'm not saying that it is fake, just that it is sensationalized..

[eric_from_texas]

Saw this on the news tonight. But they only showed the second guy getting shot, and they didn't mention any weapons :roll:

that sounds about right. anytime i see something on the news, i automatically assume that its either
1) being taken out of context
2) being exagerated or sentationalized
3) staged for effect
4) just plain bulls**t

[sekiryuu]

The media sucks.

[Seabee613]

I feel like the whole thing was a bit unecessary. Clearly these men were being watched, if they posed a huge threat, many more shots would've been fired and as soon as they picked up those rifles. The second man shot was just silly, they were already down the street, what good is shooting one more going to do? Aside from the human aspect that was pretty damn good shooting.

[ya2]

Strange that they ran straight down the road, instead of through the brush where they could at least hide...

Plus, there was a cameraman in their path..

I smell Pallywood at work...

than they complain when being shot...

[GiladS]

I feel like the whole thing was a bit unecessary.

Then clearly you weren't expecting to get shot by those rifles they were retrieving.

[Eusebius]

Good vid, but it looked to be rubber bullets to me, they should have just unloaded a live mag the moment they ran for the gun.

[Con-man]

I reckon they should've used alot more bullets too, not at the gun retrievers, just around them. You saw how fast they ran off as soon as they started shooting more.

[markjh]

That looks like Pallywood to me too and the media covers it out of context here in Europe, so they can blame them evil Jooos again.
Hamas Smuggles enough weapons in, so why would they need those two? For the media?

[Javehn]

That looks like Pallywood to me too and the media covers it out of context here in Europe, so they can blame them evil Jooos again.
Hamas Smuggles enough weapons in, so why would they need those two? For the media?

No , I don't think it was Pallywood .
Usually the guy with a gun instantly becomes a target . I am surprised the sniper wasn't zeroed on those guns , and as soon as those ****ers tried to pick them up , they should have got a new eye .

More over , Euro media just need to show only part of this clip (the part were the guy was shot ) , and not all clip . They don't have to stage all this accident . I have very bad memories from European media in Nablus (and some people don't understand here why I hold a grudge against Europeans) , they are excellent to show stuff out of context , and then lie about it.



I feel like the whole thing was a bit unecessary. Clearly these men were being watched, if they posed a huge threat, many more shots would've been fired and as soon as they picked up those rifles. The second man shot was just silly, they were already down the street, what good is shooting one more going to do? Aside from the human aspect that was pretty damn good shooting


Ok , Sherlock ......

[Holycrusader]

Lets kill all those teenegers...- Internet society demand that...

[Javehn]

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[Superking]

Lets kill all those teenegers...- Internet society demand that...

A teen with a gun is an combatant is he not? So "teenager" is just describing his general physique, but it has no effect as to his status in the conflict.

[Seabee613]

I love because I take a different point of view thats not ZOMG US ISRAEL **** YEAH BOMB EVERY MIDDLE EAST COUNTRY TURRISTS!!!!11 I get raped. Love these forums. LOVE THEM.

[Cosmonaut]

They shot down the armed guy? Fair enough! But then how pathetic, the IDF shoots against two guys retrieving fallen weapons and people surrounding them. What they achieve? They hit the youngest of them (that by the way is not carrying a weapon) and another one also unarmed. Still, with this guy lying on the ground a BRAVE unarmed man runs towards him and picks him up. Under fire. Under fire from troops shooting to kill.

That, whatever his nationality, whatever his creed, is a BRAVE MAN.

[Victrix]

They shot down the armed guy? Fair enough! But then how pathetic, the IDF shoots against two guys retrieving fallen weapons and people surrounding them. What they achieve? They hit the youngest of them (that by the way is not carrying a weapon) and another one also unarmed. Still, with this guy lying on the ground a BRAVE unarmed man runs towards him and picks him up. Under fire. Under fire from troops shooting to kill.

That, whatever his nationality, whatever his creed, is a BRAVE MAN.

"retrieving fallen weapons" why would they need those weapons??? and so called brave men ran for the fallen wounded because they knew the idf is not going to fire on them....

[NimDod]

Under fire from troops shooting to kill.

actually, looks like the sniper was going for their legs.
wound - not kill (and persoannly, I cant understand why).



That, whatever his nationality, whatever his creed, is a BRAVE MAN.

yep. he's a brave human shild. lets all hope next time they will all be smart enugh to stay at home insted of "retrieving fallen" ak47's...

[PaxMundi]

If these kids were American or European fighting a very powerful invading army in their countries, then they would be heroes....as they are Palestinians.....they are just silly kids.

All in all....very sad.

[Superking]

If these kids were American or European fighting a very powerful invading army in their countries, then they would be heroes....as they are Palestinians.....they are just silly kids.

All in all....very sad.

Silly kids...no

People making themselves targets by acting recklessly, yes.

The guns where a matter for authorities, not people that want to be immortalized on tv. Both shots where legshots which might lead you to belive that there was no need for a massacre....but the Israelis would be pretty stupid to let people run for guns that mere minutes before where used against them.

[SBL]

The IDF acted in a just manner it would seem in this video. Why allow a gang of unknowns make-off with weapons that could be used against you?
Regardless of the motivation behind retrieving the AKs, those guys should know that if you're going to try and pull something like that in a warzone, there's gonna be consequences. They'd just better be thankful that the IDF sniper had the restraint/mandate to aim low.

[PILMAN]

Nice vid. I'm sure that none of the liberal media will pick up on this as they prefer it to be rocks over guns :)

[Crazed Aussie]

Just wondering why the IDF didn't put suppressive fire around the guns in question, then run out a squad to retrieve them?? I guess we can't see all the perspectives on the vid. And yeah why run straight down the road?? Not much of an evasion technique - dumbass Jihadiis

[I_hate_posers]

Less suicide bombers, besides how far can they get with crutches or wheechairs. And I'm not being sarcastic!

[eric_from_texas]

actually, looks like the sniper was going for their legs.
wound - not kill (and persoannly, I cant understand why).



i dead man is easy to care for. a wounded man taxes enemy resources. pure economics.

[eugenlitwin]

I like the headline; "They risked their lives to save their buddy."
Should have been "They risked their lives to save poor helpless weapons."
:cantbeli:
agree
Saudi could buy many new “ toys” to Palestinian kids like Ramadan presents

[Cosmonaut]

i dead man is easy to care for. a wounded man taxes enemy resources. pure economics.

Oh my God! A West Point graduate in here. With due respect sir, are we talking war here?

As for the ones quoting me. Notice my post and watch the video. Two guys where shot (apart from the first one with the weapons). From those two none was carrying a weapon. Now cry me a river.

[Moledet]

Just wondering why the IDF didn't put suppressive fire around the guns in question, then run out a squad to retrieve them?? I guess we can't see all the perspectives on the vid. And yeah why run straight down the road?? Not much of an evasion technique - dumbass Jihadiis
Yeah, let's waste hundreds of bullets and then risk our lives trying to get some rifles from the middle of an open road when we know that some combatants just ran away to hide and are waiting for us.

[GiladS]

As for the ones quoting me. Notice my post and watch the video. Two guys where shot (apart from the first one with the weapons). From those two none was carrying a weapon. Now cry me a river.

The only one who seems to be crying here is you mate.

It didn't seem clear to you that this whole group of people were partners in this attempt to get the weapons?

All they had to do in order to avoid the risk of getting shot was to simply clear the area, let alone not take part in the whole thing... not so hard to comprehend.

So it doesn't matter if they were or were not carrying weapons, the soldier shouldn't feel bad at all.

[Cosmonaut]

The only one who seems to be crying here is you mate.

It didn't seem clear to you that this whole group of people were partners in this attempt to get the weapons?

All they had to do in order to avoid the risk of getting shot was to simply clear the area, let alone not take part in the whole thing... not so hard to comprehend.

So it doesn't matter if they were or were not carrying weapons, the soldier shouldn't feel bad at all.

Mister Patched. I do not give a rat's tail about the soldier feelings. He is the one having to deal with them.
He shot the armed guys, tough luck, fair enough. He shot the unarmed ones, obladi oblada.
Were they all part of a conspiration? Rings a bell, sure as hell it does.
Now cut it.

[spoiledEgg]

They shot down the armed guy? Fair enough! But then how pathetic, the IDF shoots against two guys retrieving fallen weapons and people surrounding them.

Let's see if you can understand this.
These gunmen usually aren't alone (at least in pairs). Which means that there are probably other gunmen in the area, so the IDF isn't gonna call it a day and go home. Also these people who tried to retrieve the weapons obviously know the IDF position, and can fire at them with these weapons as soon as they get off the street. Being a kid doesn't mean you cant be a terrorist. Do you know how many 17 y/o suicide bombers there were in the last few years?

[Superking]

Mister Patched. I do not give a rat's tail about the soldier feelings. He is the one having to deal with them.
He shot the armed guys, tough luck, fair enough. He shot the unarmed ones, obladi oblada.
Were they all part of a conspiration? Rings a bell, sure as hell it does.
Now cut it.

Incoherent factor 7

[GiladS]

Mister Patched. I do not give a rat's tail about the soldier feelings. He is the one having to deal with them.
He shot the armed guys, tough luck, fair enough. He shot the unarmed ones, obladi oblada.
Were they all part of a conspiration? Rings a bell, sure as hell it does.
Now cut it.

Can you try (next time) to write a post made up of sentences which combined together make up a text that actually makes sense?

Yeah you're right, I guess those guys were minding their own business and running the Annual Gaza Marathon (probably thought the shots were the opening start or something :) ).

[SBL]

I'm going to be obnoxious and restate what I basically said on the last page:

Those guys know exactly what they're getting into. It's a warzone, and if you're going to try a stunt like that, they should expect consequences. Regardless of their reason for recouping the AKs, they knew it was a high-risk scenario. They're lucky to get away at all, in my opinion.

[eric_from_texas]

Oh my God! A West Point graduate in here. With due respect sir, are we talking war here?


jeez, who wizzed in your frosted flakes this morning? i never said "war", i said "enemy". why dont you ask the IDF if they consider those guys the enemy.

[Muphlon]

They actually hit a guy who didn't have a rifle. He was running with the crowd.:D

[SBL]

They actually hit a guy who didn't have a rifle. He was running with the crowd.:D

Key phrase there.

[Crazed Aussie]

Moledet, I'm not sure if ur a combatant or not, but if the seizure of some weapons could possibly save someone's life, surely you'd have a dip at 'em. Anyway is the IDF so screwed that they're countin slugs, if so makes some of the recent reports of equipment shortages seem real. I suppose the IDF is unaccustomed to fire & manouver techniques too??

[-HUNTER-]

The guy who you see in the first place in the video is sneaking towards the weapons from the bushes. But the same guy runs off like a idiot without a brain when they start shooting. I can understand you want and need to get the F out of that situation. I think his brain was on automatic get the F out mode. Cuz before he was clever enough to use some cover to get there.

But besides that the sniper should have shot the guy right where the guns where. Or a warning shot just in front on the road. Or they should have used a guided missile actually. But hey that wouldnt be good to show on the media.

:)

[jimmymac]

Two weapons retrieved by Palestinian:....................... Pals-2, Israel-O
Two unarmed Palestinians shot in front of media:......... Pals-2, Israel-0
Total:...................................................................Pals-4, Israel-0

[spoiledEgg]

Two weapons retrieved by Palestinian:....................... Pals-2, Israel-O
Two unarmed Palestinians shot in front of media:......... Pals-2, Israel-0
Total:...................................................................Pals-4, Israel-0

Actually I only saw one unarmed guy get hit. The guy laying there wounded was armed. Then another guy gets hit, then he gets picked up, then he gets dropped. ;-)

[GiladS]

Two weapons retrieved by Palestinian:....................... Pals-2, Israel-O
Two unarmed Palestinians shot in front of media:......... Pals-2, Israel-0
Total:...................................................................Pals-4, Israel-0

How about next time you include the total number of weapons captured by the IDF in this operation as a whole, same goes for Palestinian militant fatalities.

Either way this ain't some sort of a game, though analogizing it to one probably makes it easier for someone such as yourself to comprehend.

[spoiledEgg]

what were those rifles they were trying to pick up? didnt look like any AR or AK derivatives.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2230/2222229999gv8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

BEIT HANOUN, GAZA STRIP - NOVEMBER 02: A masked Palestinian militant aims his gun towards Israeli troops during clashes November 2, 2006 in Beit Hanoun, in the northern Gaza Strip. According to reports, at least four Palestinians, including a two civilians, were killed November 2 during one of the largest an Israeli offensives into Gaza in months. (Photo by Abid Katib/***** Images)

A pic from today. How much ya wanna bet there from the same crowd

[jimmymac]

Checked the video again. Both guys who grabbed the guns got clean away. Both guys shot were young and unarmed. One seemed to drop a mobile phone. Should we put that on the score sheet? But it looks like a Nokia, maybe a demi-point?

Pals-4, Israel-1/2?

And the guy aiming at the Iareali Army is not masked, he has a beard.

[Kaplanr]

Without seeing what happened before the filming started, or what the conclusion to everyting is, it's all inconclusive. Certainly not worth 5 pages of this thread, unless they'd taken out the cameraman.

[tanks_alot]

Without seeing what happened before the filming started, or what the conclusion to everyting is, it's all inconclusive. Certainly not worth 5 pages of this thread, unless they'd taken out the cameraman.

Exactly, you get a very limited view at a situation you know almost nothing about.

you don't know what took place there that wounded the gunman, you don't know what is the size of the IDF force there, is a company? a squad? one sniper? what is the distance between them to the road? are there IDF forces up ahead on the road? what happend after the video stoped? why wasn't the wounded gunman arrested in the first place and was allowed to be taken to the ambulace?

is the video from the Gaza strip and is part of the large operation taking place there or did it happen during a limited operation in the west bank?

what was the original mission of the troops operating in that area?

[Kaplanr]

Exactly, you get a very limited view at a situation you know almost nothing about.

you don't know what took place there that wounded the gunman, you don't know what is the size of the IDF force there, is a company? a squad? one sniper? what is the distance between them to the road? are there IDF forces up ahead on the road? what happend after the video stoped? why wasn't the wounded gunman arrested in the first place and was allowed to be taken to the ambulace?

is the video from the Gaza strip and is part of the large operation taking place there or did it happen during a limited operation in the west bank?

what was the original mission of the troops operating in that area?

On top of that it was in Swedish which is more garbled and incomprehensible than Hebrew or German. With all that lilting it really just sounded like he was saying:

"And it cleans spotlessly without scratching or blemishing your fine washables. Available now at all Target and Wal-Marts."

[spoiledEgg]

Checked the video again. Both guys shot were young and unarmed.

No you check the vedeo again. The first guy we see in the vedeo is laying on the ground wounded with weapons around him....he is definetly not a gunman...nooooooooooo. The second guy falls while he and his group were running, he gets picked up and then dropped towards the end.

[LEGEND]

Are you guys blind? He didnt get dropped its a separate terrorist that gets shot. In total 3 shots, 2 hits (plus the original one that was lieing between guns).

Also while some are running away make notice how others are sitll running forward (probalby to pick up the cell phone, lol), some are just standing on the road watching, after the third one gets shot and lies on the ground gesturing with his hand take a look at someone casually storll by him like on a morning run.

[Cosmonaut]

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2230/2222229999gv8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


A pic from today. How much ya wanna bet there from the same crowd

That is out of context! The ones on the back are shouting: "Please Abu do not shot! stop the violence! The IDF will bulldoze our houses!" p-)

Actually, and stop flaming you integrists, what interests me here is:

is that a CETME or a H&K?

Anyone??

[NimDod]

here's a link to a longer version on the movie (showing the wonded gunman get pickup up by the ambulance) , without the corrisponding
http://multimedia.repubblica.it/mondo/461449?p=1

and a video of the human-shild demonstration used to cover the gunmen's getaway (one of the news sites reported that the gunmen put on women's clothes and got away by blending with the croud. seems like the trick worked).

*warning - not work safe
http://multimedia.repubblica.it/mondo/463524?p=1

[Moledet]

and a video of the human-shild demonstration used to cover the gunmen's getaway (one of the news sites reported that the gunmen put on women's clothes and got away by blending with the croud. seems like the trick worked).

*warning - not work safe
http://multimedia.repubblica.it/mondo/463524?p=1
It's not a new trick, in the days of the British mandate they used to do the same trick. Whenever the Brits cornered a group of gang members the whole village used to come out of their homes in order to confuse the British soldiers.

[Cedan]

that video with all the women was crazy, the sound with all the women shouting alla akbar together made it sound like some crazy animal

edit from 00:05 to 00:10 or something

[Devil68]

How stupid can it get... Those idiots ask for it:|