REscue of PFC Lynch

[Ravage]

This is the true video on how PFC J. Lynch was rescued:

http://www.youtube.com/v/77LWHHjVwao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77LWHHjVwao

BTW, I've asked a mod for clearance, and there are no OPSEC/PERSEC issues here.

Damn, I'm never going to learn how to embed a vid :(


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[Silent 6]

Looks like the real deal to me...but I wasn't there.
I recall some of the footage that was shown on the news and that appears to be much of the same.

I remember there being lots of criticism of the military for their "amping up" of the event, using SF operators, massive show of force, etc.. Capt. **** Couch (author of Down Range) a retired Seal officer said it best, he said they treated it right, came in with a powerful show of force so that there was no question as to who was in charge.

My hat is off to those SF operators, PJ's, pilots, etc. If we ever meet, the rounds are on me!

[Al Zack]

Great video!! Thanks for the post...

[D-gin]

Great video Ravage, you've got a winner with that post my friend...:)....I love seeing those PJ's.....Cheers dude.

[Ravage]

Yes I fully agree with you Silent 6.
Lets not forget that even if the SEALs did not meet any Iraqi troops, it was still hostile territory,
so flash-bang, "get the f-ck down" etc etc.
The "high speed" ops. made a smooth operation. Great work boys woot

[Creeper]

"ACES"
Ravage gets 2 thumbs up! TY 4 the work.

[He219]

Nice video, Ravage!
Some great angles to that rescue operation ..
:)

[muttbutt]

Anyone else spot the Pandur armoured vehicles...p-)

[Ravage]

I had to wait all day to get clearance from a mod to post this vid.
Now I see it was worth the wait p-)

[Icarus1]

Good inside view. Thanks Ravage

[He219]

Anyone else spot the Pandur armoured vehicles...p-)
Yup, haven't seen them in a while since the last SF pics from 2-3 years back ..

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/2685680.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=6FC26B94D0397D964FF7F4E4933DB7C0

[rjbhutton]

Team America!!! F*ck yeah!! Awesome vid. Sent a chill down my spine. Job well done. Respect.

[Ravage]

Uploaded it on my ftp server. Go here (http://www.ols.vectranet.pl/~mptracer/ravage/rescue.zip) to download the video.

[w1ldcard]

go Ravage go! excellent post mate

[Irish]

Excellent Vid Buddy..:)

[Ravage]

Thanks for the fix He :hug:

[SuicideSteve]

Does anyone know what US forces were involved in returning PFC Lynch, my guess is Army SF but im not totally sure.

[EsoognomEhT]

shes a real hero! Crashed, broke her arm..passed out. Good work soldier!

[D-gin]

Hey Ravage thanks for the download link...:hug:


Cheers.

[muttbutt]

Does anyone know what US forces were involved in returning PFC Lynch, my guess is Army SF but im not totally sure.
well you saw PJ's, the Pandur armoured vehicles would be a hint to another unit that if I say here, I'll be stripped naked and beaten with soap bars in socks....:oops:

[Ravage]

SEALs were the assault force, Rangers provided perimeter security, SOAR provided the helos (as usually) :)

[Argyll]

I'm not sure about that JMooch that's a member here said Force Recon were involved along the line, and that it was a Tri Service Op.

[SBL]

Niiiice find, Ravage. Good stuff.

[BadKarma26]

I see lots of Rangers in the first half. HOOAH

[Argyll]

This is cutting out after 15 seconds for me

[Ravage]

So download the vid, I gave the dowload link.

[mikec62001]

SEALs did the lift..think it was DevGru

One operator who was killed in Iraq who took part in the extraction was assigned to NSWDG...look it up on google and it will say:

QUOTE:

David screened for, and passed, the difficult and demanding seven-month training program at Naval Special Warfare Development Group (NSWDG). He served with distinction during a magnificent tour at NSWDG where he excelled as an operator and Lead Navigator.

The Department of Defence announced today that Petty Officer First Class David M. Tapper, 32, of Camden County, New Jersey, died of wounds received in action August 20, 2003 in Afghanistan.
Often called upon to conduct the most harrowing missions, Tapper took part in the April rescue of wounded POW Jessica Lynch, then helped recover the bodies of nine American soldiers buried near the Iraqi hospital where she was held, according to friends and the Tapper family.

[Weasel]

shes a real hero! Crashed, broke her arm..passed out. Good work soldier!

Are you serious?

[rssmps]

what's with the suspenders that they are wearing?
the pants looked like it came higher up on the waist...

[somebody]

Was it an army fixed wing or c-27 (which I thought were out of commission)? I only saw two props. Anyone?

[Argyll]

download link keeps getting reset by your(or maybe my) server...I'll keep plugging away

[Createdeemcee]

Thanks Rav,

and the troops involved in bringing her back!

[JMooch]

Argyll,
It was LAR not Force.
S/F
Mooch

[Argyll]

Semper Fi you old devil dog, how in the blue blazes have you been?

I knew you'd be close at hand with this one mate.......;)

[EsoognomEhT]

Are you serious?

Not the topic to discuss this old chap!

[whutitdewboi713]

Was it an army fixed wing or c-27 (which I thought were out of commission)? I only saw two props. Anyone?

i dont know what it is but it's neither a c-27 nor an army c-23

[Superking]

Where are the pentagon/DOD voiceovers proclaiming hero status in this clip?

[lightcav]

THe aircraft is a C-130.

The tan suspenders are from the JSLIST chemical protection suit trousers.

[JMooch]

"Semper Fi you old devil dog, how in the blue blazes have you been?

I knew you'd be close at hand with this one mate......."

Getting in and out of trouble :-)
Been doing ok. Looking to go out early next year.
Take care,
M

[lightcav]

Sorry not a C-130 2 props not 4. but the trousers with tan suspenders are are JSLIST

[Ravage]

Ok Agryll, I'll try rapidshare:

http://rapidshare.com/files/1715885/rescue.zip.html

[somebody]

Sorry not a C-130 2 props not 4. but the trousers with tan suspenders are are JSLIST

Here's some of my personal pics of a C-27. The res is terrible, but I'm at the office and can't scan them right now.

[whutitdewboi713]

the c-27 has only 3 propeller blades, the one in the video has 4. it's prolly some kinda civilian a/c or something

[Ghostryder]

I'm not very experienced in this whole thing but it looked to me like it was just Rangers on the ground and PJs from the air.

Either way, what surprised me was that it seemed like she was getting pretty adequate med attention, i didn't assume that.

[somebody]

the c-27 has only 3 propeller blades, the one in the video has 4. it's prolly some kinda civilian a/c or something

This one has six. I'm not sure how difficult it is to change props on different mods. There are some guys on this board that used to fly C-27's and the different variants. I've only flown on them about a dozen times; crash landed once.

Whatever it is in the video, it's extremely similar in shape and size.

[Weasel]

Not the topic to discuss this old chap!

Sorry for OT:

Did I read a different and longer post here, or am I crazy? I swear I read another text than your message now. But I don´t see any editing. :|

[whutitdewboi713]

the C-27A has three, the C-27J six.

[Baboonass]

SEALs were the assault force, Rangers provided perimeter security, SOAR provided the helos (as usually) :)


Pretty much every branch of the U.S. military took part, except for the coast gaurd.


The big 2 did the door kicking, I think you can figure that out for yourself.


All in all, a well planned and well executed operation, abit no exchanging of pleansentries with the locals.

[Ravage]

Mat ! Great to hear from you :)

Heard that the SEALs didn't meet any resistance, but the Rangers did in fact get into a firefight near the objective.

[Baboonass]

Mat ! Great to hear from you :)

Heard that the SEALs didn't meet any resistance, but the Rangers did in fact get into a firefight near the objective.



I can't really comment on the op other than what has already been disclosed.


I have heard a lot of BS about it, using blanks and such, obviously untrue.

Whenever you are in a active war zone, a rescue op is going to be very harrowing whether rounds are flying or not. Perferably, it all goes down like it did.

[Baboonass]

shes a real hero! Crashed, broke her arm..passed out. Good work soldier!



Remind me to monkey stomp you next time I'm in your AO.

[Ravage]

Yeach, just saw a vid where guys were talking BS like:

"the SEALs were nervous and were pointing guns at the doctors at the hospital, kicking doors" etc.

I'm no expert, but if I were in that kind of operation, I would treat everyone as a potential hostile, so door kicking, flash-bangs, "get the f-ck on the floor" and stuff like that p-)
Tie up everyone and get the POW out ASAP.

But the most important I gues is that no one was hurt during the operation.

[EsoognomEhT]

Sorry for OT:

Did I read a different and longer post here, or am I crazy? I swear I read another text than your message now. But I don´t see any editing. :|

No you did, I went into one of my rants about it (god I hate this whole Lynch thing) but I just changed it..sometimes it marks it as edited, sometimes doesn't..not too sure what the trigger is

[Weasel]

No you did, I went into one of my rants about it (god I hate this whole Lynch thing) but I just changed it..sometimes it marks it as edited, sometimes doesn't..not too sure what the trigger is

Thanks, I am not crazy. :)

[Baboonass]

No you did, I went into one of my rants about it (god I hate this whole Lynch thing) but I just changed it..sometimes it marks it as edited, sometimes doesn't..not too sure what the trigger is

It must bother you so.


Tell you what "hero", why not inform us all about how you went into harms way on a major operation where live rounds were being exchanged. Tell us all about how you survived an ambush by a numerically superior enemy force. Explain in detail about your ordeal of being captured after being wounded in enemy action, then your subsequent rescue and of living with the aftermath of having some of your best friends killed in the same action you managed to survive.


Well? we are all waiting.

[Noob Brit]

Was it an army fixed wing or c-27 (which I thought were out of commission)? I only saw two props. Anyone?

CASA 212?

http://eu.airliners.net/photos/middle/0/4/2/1091240.jpg

http://eu.airliners.net/photos/middle/0/6/0/1099060.jpg

US has operated with them, they lost one over Afghanistan a while back I believe.


Edit: :| Changed my mind, looks pretty big so might be a CASA CN 235.

http://eu.airliners.net/photos/middle/1/9/7/1106791.jpg


The USAF SOC also operate one CASA CN-235 which is based with the 427th Special Operations Squadron at Pope AFB in North Carolina. The aircraft is believed to be used to insert SF personnel at small airfields for covert counter insurgency operations http://www.spyflight.co.uk/CIA.htm

[jagermeister]

always awsome to see some one pull of a good rescue mission.

[EsoognomEhT]

It must bother you so.


Tell you what "hero", why not inform us all about how you went into harms way on a major operation where live rounds were being exchanged. Tell us all about how you survived an ambush by a numerically superior enemy force. Explain in detail about your ordeal of being captured after being wounded in enemy action, then your subsequent rescue and of living with the aftermath of having some of your best friends killed in the same action you managed to survive.


Well? we are all waiting.

From all accounts she got the wounds from the crash, anyway; the rest is part of her ****ing job. She wasn't doing it by choice, thats what shes paid for.. Mind you I dont expect any less from a country that gives a medal to anyone that gets a) shot at and b) injured.
And er, they took a wrong turn and got ambushed, hardly she went on a major operation like an all out full frontal assualt on an enemy stronghold.
She's no hero in the sense press like the post tried to make her out to be; shes a Soldier. There's far more battle experienced guys out there that deserve much more praise than her; and she acknowledges that often herself

[Andrew116]

GREAT VID, in fact I was just wonderning what happened to her the other day.

[whutitdewboi713]

CASA 212?

http://eu.airliners.net/photos/middle/0/4/2/1091240.jpg

http://eu.airliners.net/photos/middle/0/6/0/1099060.jpg

US has operated with them, they lost one over Afghanistan a while back I believe.

yeah.. i've seen a pic of one of those birds in iraq and yeah they're used for special ops so you're prolly right

[Baboonass]

From all accounts she got the wounds from the crash, anyway; the rest is part of her ****ing job. She wasn't doing it by choice, thats what shes paid for.. Mind you I dont expect any less from a country that gives a medal to anyone that gets a) shot at and b) injured.
And er, they took a wrong turn and got ambushed, hardly she went on a major operation like an all out full frontal assualt on an enemy stronghold.

Your not answering the question "hero".

I want to hear about how you have seen so much action, that you have a base of knowledge to question someone about their "heroics".


I want to hear it from you. You must be some hairy stud to have more time in combat and experience than Jessie Lynch.


I'm waiting.

[Andrew116]

From all accounts she got the wounds from the crash, anyway; the rest is part of her ****ing job. She wasn't doing it by choice, thats what shes paid for.. Mind you I dont expect any less from a country that gives a medal to anyone that gets a) shot at and b) injured.
And er, they took a wrong turn and got ambushed, hardly she went on a major operation like an all out full frontal assualt on an enemy stronghold.
She's no hero in the sense press like the post tried to make her out to be; shes a Soldier. There's far more battle experienced guys out there that deserve much more praise than her; and she acknowledges that often herself

Oh hush up no one here has one good point or another the fact is, is that we brought one of our people home. We need heros more then ever now but more then ever being unque is shunned.

[Ravage]

Oh boy, I'll get out of the line of fire if it's OK with you guys...

[EsoognomEhT]

Stop being a ****, I never claimed to be. But the fact is she's not the Hero much of the media made her out to be, a fact that she acknowledges herself.


The Bronze Star Medal was established by Executive Order 9419, 4 February 1944 (superseded by Executive Order 11046, 24 August 1962). b. The Bronze Star Medal is awarded to any person who, while serving in any capacity in or with the Army of the United States after 6 December 1941, distinguished himself or herself by heroic or meritorious achievement or service, not involving participation in aerial flight, in connection with military operations against an armed enemy; or while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.
c. Awards may be made for acts of heroism, performed under circumstances described above, which are of lesser degree than required for the award of the Silver Star.
d. The Bronze Star Medal may be awarded for meritorious achievement or meritorious service according to the following:

; Getting injured in a crash, getting captured and then rescued? Bronze Star?! Come off it. The guys that rescued her deserve bronze stars more than her if indeed the reports about the hospital being a stronghold are true (and I'm sure they've got a few between them)



Oh hush up no one here has one good point or another the fact is, is that we brought one of our people home. We need heros more then ever now but more then ever being unque is shunned.

Home to a $3 million book deal yeah! You do need heroes more than ever, and what do the unrecognised Private Soldiers come home to? **** all despite undoubtedbly having seen more action and performed greater heroics than Lynch

[Baboonass]

From all accounts she got the wounds from the crash, anyway; the rest is part of her ****ing job. She wasn't doing it by choice, thats what shes paid for.. Mind you I dont expect any less from a country that gives a medal to anyone that gets a) shot at and b) injured.
And er, they took a wrong turn and got ambushed, hardly she went on a major operation like an all out full frontal assualt on an enemy stronghold.
She's no hero in the sense press like the post tried to make her out to be; shes a Soldier. There's far more battle experienced guys out there that deserve much more praise than her; and she acknowledges that often herself



I see you have edited your prievious post.


I honestly don't give a rats ass about your opinion of how the U.S. military does buisness, or how you view our politics. You must have had a yank bend you over in a dark allyway some drunken night and give you "what for". Must have been crapping yankie **** for a week by the tone of your attitude to the U.S.

I'm calling you out on your possition to judge someone else's action.

[Andrew116]

Oh boy, I'll get out of the line of fire if it's OK with you guys...

Im with you I've said my two cents but its getting hot in here

[Baboonass]

Stop being a ****, I never claimed to be. But the fact is she's not the Hero much of the media made her out to be, a fact that she acknowledges herself.


; Getting injured in a crash, getting captured and then rescued? Bronze Star?! Come off it. The guys that rescued her deserve bronze stars more than her if indeed the reports about the hospital being a stronghold are true (and I'm sure they've got a few between them)


Your diverting fire you asshat.

You made judgment on Jessie Lynch with your snide comment.

You've never been in the line of fire, never been on a major operation, never heard a shot in anger, so who in the fvck are you to pass judgment on someone who has?

Jessie Lynch has shown far more balls than you ever have, or probably will, regardless of her situation or action.

I suggest you shut it, boy.

[EsoognomEhT]

I see you have edited your prievious post.


I honestly don't give a rats ass about your opinion of how the U.S. military does buisness, or how you view our politics. You must have had a yank bend you over in a dark allyway some drunken night and give you "what for". Must have been crapping yankie **** for a week by the tone of your attitude to the U.S.

I'm calling you out on your possition to judge someone else's action.


Yes I made a quick edit, to rephrase something? Whats the problem with that? That's what the function is there for..? I changed "shes not a hero in the true sense of the word" or something like that to something that conveyed my feelings better.
Again, her action wasn't much really..
You don't have to be ****ing Rambo to comment; some of the great military writers through history have never done a days service in their life.
You're just trying to stir it up again, presumably because you know people involved? No problems with them, just the fact that Lynch got so much and those that deserve more get **** all!

[EsoognomEhT]

Your diverting fire you asshat.

You made judgment on Jessie Lynch with your snide comment.

You've never been in the line of fire, never been on a major operation, never heard a shot in anger, so who in the fvck are you to pass judgment on someone who has?

Jessie Lynch has shown far more balls than you ever have, or probably will, regardless of her situation or action.

I suggest you shut it, boy.

What the **** are you going on about?! I don't have a ****ing problem with Lynch herself you tool, shes very forthright about her actions and doesn't believe shes a hero at all; its the people/media that promote the idea shes some kind of all American hero whilst ignoring the real ones that deserve more credit.

And before someone goes crying to a ****ing mod, check out who again stirred this **** up! I edited my original post since it was way OT and said this wasn't the topic to discuss it! But of course someone as battle hardened as match doesn't have to abide to forums rules!

[bluffcove]

A phone call was put through to US forces to say "we've got your girl come and get her" from a Civilian hospital that had patched her up after being dropped there by Iraqi combatants. The minibus to collect her instead of being dial-a-ride was an airborne insertion and armoured column.

Yes she got shot at, the same as every other soldier in a warzone, she got shot at because she got lost somewhere in the rear.

Heroism generally involves a disregard for your personal safety to the advantage of your forces. She didnt consciously disregard her safety - she got lost - once she was lost there werent many options open to her, ending up in hospital and alive are by the providence of the Iraqi forces that took her there. She consumed manpower in getting rescued. she only furthered the American cause in being a poster child for American supremacy.

- she did very little to help the war.

Im a war hero I play medal of honour!

[somebody]

CASA 212?

http://eu.airliners.net/photos/middle/0/4/2/1091240.jpg

http://eu.airliners.net/photos/middle/0/6/0/1099060.jpg

US has operated with them, they lost one over Afghanistan a while back I believe.

yup! That's it. The Army used to operate those down in Colombia.

[Ravage]

Hay guys stop that ! It's my thread so no flame war :fork:

[EsoognomEhT]

you'll note on page 3 (or so) I tried to avoid it. Trident boy just can't help himself though, such is his obsession with me

[Baboonass]

What the **** are you going on about?! I don't have a ****ing problem with Lynch herself you tool, shes very forthright about her actions and doesn't believe shes a hero at all; its the people/media that promote the idea shes some kind of all American hero whilst ignoring the real ones that deserve more credit.

And before someone goes crying to a ****ing mod, check out who again stirred this **** up! I edited my original post since it was way OT and said this wasn't the topic to discuss it! But of course someone as battle hardened as match doesn't have to abide to forums rules!


Gee, my mistake then, so I guess this wasn't your post.


shes a real hero! Crashed, broke her arm..passed out. Good work soldier!


Or maybe, you were being serious?

You were/are passing jugment about something you havn't the first clue about. You like to act the big man, sitting nice and safe behind your computer in large part because of the actions of people like Jessie Lynch.


You are a coward, simple as that. The best you will ever do is attempt to denegrade those around you that actually "do", to make yourself feel more important.

I know why it bothers you so much that Jessie Lynch is considered a "hero", it's because you are not, and will never be, because you simply do not have it in you to put it on the line.

[Ravage]

nevemind :roll:

Could I ask the mods NOT to close this thread....PLEASE :(

[Baboonass]

Heroism generally involves a disregard for your personal safety to the advantage of your forces. !


Hmm, you mean like joining the military and being sent off to war?

Or is "heroics" to you more like sitting at home jerking off to the thought of having something called "courage".

[bluffcove]

It annoys me tht Jessie Lynch is considered a hero because:
Heroes consciously endanger their lives for the good of others.
She didnt.

She has been made a poster child for Iraq by her "rescue" which was little more than a collection not from her assailaints but from a hospital which only the day before had Allied servicemen there talking to her.

It was a media creation.

Real Heroes go unnoticed!

[Baboonass]

A phone call was put through to US forces to say "we've got your girl come and get her" from a Civilian hospital that had patched her up after being dropped there by Iraqi combatants. The minibus to collect her instead of being dial-a-ride was an airborne insertion and armoured column.

!


And another point, this was single source intell. Do you regard this kind of intel with the same fevor of the multi-sources of intell about Iraq's WMD programs?


You want to find fault and blame? hell that's easy. Put your balls on the chopping block and there will always be the nay sayers, (like you) to come along and give it a whack.

Not that you ever would yourself, nah, that would require something you don't have.

[He219]

You get a good look at her state of shock when PJs assist her in the hospital and she irks at the sounds of gunfire ..

I don't have a ****ing problem you tool
I've had all that I can take of your crap.
You like dissing it out, but you can't take it back.

1. Be civil to your fellow forum user. They'll respect you if you respect them.

..

Take a couple days off to calm down

[bluffcove]

ok sorry i was of the opinion that courage was expected of all serving personnel and that heroism was what set you apart.

However if you want to set the common denominator that high then feel free and you can make your medal out of tinfoil whilst you are at it.

[Baboonass]

It was a media creation.

Real Heroes go unnoticed!


The only 2 points of your post that means anything.


Jessie Lynch never claimed to be anything more than a victem. She didn't want the attention and it probably did far more harm to her than the wounds she suffered in battle.

The attention she got just gave fuel to asshats like you and mongoose to sit back and say "oh, what crap, she sucks, bla bla bla,".

Ironic, that those in country or have been in harms way rarely ever comment on this? Much less critiqe her actions or subsequinet media attention?

[bluffcove]

Jessie lynhc doesnt think she did anythign heroic, I dont think she did anythign heroic the media "created" a heroic myth.

Ill settle for that.

Mind the door on your way out!

[BadKarma26]

You can hear a .50 in the background when they are securing Lynch

[ZoneOne]

You can really tell what kind of shock and trauma she experienced when the PJs assist her in the hospital and she irks at the sounds of gunfire

That really gets the emotion flowing when you see her cringe at the sound of gunfire. However, it must have been relatively comforting to have all of those professionals around you. She irks, the PJ's (who were treating her) all remain calm and try and calm her down.

First time I've seen this video - Thanks a lot for posting it.

[Baboonass]

ok sorry i was of the opinion that courage was expected of all serving personnel and that heroism was what set you apart.

However if you want to set the common denominator that high then feel free and you can make your medal out of tinfoil whilst you are at it.


Certainly.

Problem is, at first I thought I was responding to Mongoose because of the simular avatars.

Heroics are subjective to details.

By your definition that I quoted, she fit that definition. By most other standards, probably not.

Never-the-less, she was a REMF and never intended to be in direct battle with the enemy. So any action taken is given more credence than those who would have their job description by that of close proximity with enemy engagement.


Besides, her bronze star was given without a "v" device. The "V" is for valor. Her BS was well deserved given the situation of her job description and enemy engagment.

[Baboonass]

Mind the door on your way out!



Oh snap!!!

[Ravage]

She irks, the PJ's (who were treating her) all remain calm and try and calm her down.

Yeah that is something worth mentioning, the fact that the PJ was so damn calm. Gues it comes with the high-speed training SOF guys go through.

[He219]

That really gets the emotion flowing when you see her cringe at the sound of gunfire. However, it must have been relatively comforting to have all of those professionals around you. She irks, the PJ's (who were treating her) all remain calm and try and calm her down.
Yep, and to add that it's not that she's some pussycat who never heard a weapon fired before.
Remember that her colleage, PFC Lori Piestewa, was killed during her capture.

It's a clear picture of a post traumatic stress.

[Fulix]

Yes I made a quick edit, to rephrase something? Whats the problem with that? That's what the function is there for..? I changed "shes not a hero in the true sense of the word" or something like that to something that conveyed my feelings better.
Again, her action wasn't much really..
You don't have to be ****ing Rambo to comment; some of the great military writers through history have never done a days service in their life.
You're just trying to stir it up again, presumably because you know people involved? No problems with them, just the fact that Lynch got so much and those that deserve more get **** all!

Not to continue the discussion here but...

I think, "Hero" is a relattive term and doesn't always apply to military. But, damn, first of all your sentece is at least of really bada taste... You shouldn't joke or make sarcasm coments on, at least, terrible moments that someone had been trought and will be never be out of her memory...

I don't think anyone wants to be a "Hero", `cuse most of them gone and no one, no one, heard anything about it.

My 2 cents.

[Sorry about my english]

[Fargin]

A real nice video, shows a very scared Lynch being saved, protected and comforted, a heart warming story. But seriously I can't believe all the pettyness and resentment surounding this happy story. You don't leave your guys behind and believe or not PFC Lynch was one of your guys too.


Real Heroes go unnoticed!
Don't hate the player, hate the game. She was caught in the media hype and was only a passenger. Saving her was a positive story, so the military rides the media train, why not give her a medal?

[bluffcove]

Have you read what you jsut wrote.

go outside and have a word with yourself!

THE MEDIA GET TO DECIDE WHO WINS MEDALS ?

GET BENT

[Fargin]

You seriously need to take a laxative kid.

[Newfie]

nice vid thanks for posting.

have some respoect for the lady fellas, no need of all this ****. None of us were there, none of us know what she went through nor how she delt with it.

[SAS73]

yup! That's it. The Army used to operate those down in Colombia.

And Blackwater also operates this plane in the armored version, with a couple of .50 in the side of the plane

[venom]

thanks for the video

[Seraphim]

Whered you get this video anyhow?

[Ravage]

You should ask the guy on youtube where he got it from p-)

[kingrabbit]

ok here comes my suspension.. lol
ok.. to recap.. they got lost. got ambushed.. got captured ..some folks died.. she got rescued.. i believe i read somewhere didnt even get a shot off due to poor maintenance of weapon, causing it to jam? if i am wrong i apoligise.. so where does a bronze star come in for being captured? where does all this attention come from that everyone knows her.. oh yeah.. the media.. just yearning to sell there little rag of a paper lets blow this story up cause one it is a female.. and shhhhhh special forces saved her.. whatever.. yes i work with sf .. yes i have heard shots fired in anger.. fired a few myself.. do i deserve a medal.. nope,, its work.. american propaganda machine at its finest.. excellent work to the soldiers who saved her.. hope you come for me before i lose my head.. as i am sure i will get the good old boot for saying what i feel here.. she did nothing to merit the attention the media created around her.. and for those of you that feel she did, well that your opinon and you are entitled to it.. but think about this if she is such a hero such a trooper.. you want her going through that fatal funnel with you..? doubt it. my condolences to the families of the ones who didnt make and were found in shallow graves.. sadly i am amshamed to say i dont know there names.. but hey good luck jessica, have fun with the future book and movie deals you will have.. see ya soon in playboy..

[Apogee]

King - i think you vocalize the feelings alot of us in uniform felt after that whole debacle.

But them getting lost or not having properly maintained weapons wasn't her fault. Mind you shes just a PFC. Brand new to the Army. Its a leadership failure. Land nav and weapons maintenance are the very very basics in my branch. I know they weren't infantry, but rather transpo. But thats still no excuse. The company commander and her platoon leader should have known better. They are to blame, not her.

[Sdet21]

If i remember correctly wasn't it an iraqi that gave the military intelligence on her whereabouts. And then they staged the rescue with the sf to get her out i think.

Semper Fortis

Sdet21

[gjl0102]

Fulix; no need to apologize for your english...hell of a lot better than my Portuguese.

[SAPPEROIF]

If i remember correctly wasn't it an iraqi that gave the military intelligence on her whereabouts. And then they staged the rescue with the sf to get her out i think.

Semper Fortis

Sdet21
That's what I recall hearing.
Nice vid by the way..had a Ranger guy here at the school house telling me about that vid.

[3rdMillhouse]

So, how does the infrared system works in this video? the hotter the darker?

PS: great video

PS2: she looks terrified, could she be in shock?

[BMF_EOD]

If the extent of your knowledge of this operation rests from CNN/BBC footage than you are grossly unqualified to pass judgment. period.

You are attacking a US service person and the US military when you should be directing your anger at the news services sensationalizing of the event.

If you absolutely must share your worldly knowledge with us, go ahead and try to defend your position with what you've "heard". You will come off looking (as you already have) like armchair warriors who know nothing about service or sacrifice.

and calling someone "Trident boy"? Grow up idiot.

[silveykyle]

love them PJ's

[SAPPEROIF]

Amazing how this can go from seeing a vid not many have had the opportunity to, too playing internet tough guys, im Gonna whoop your internet butt...come on guys. Most of us are grown up and over 21 in here...all this name calling and crap is unneeded. Lets try and stick to the topic.

[kingrabbit]

scuba made an excellent point.. the command was sucking the big one.. but in the end maintaining your weapon especialy when you know you are going out and folks are trying to kill you, falls down to the individual. if i were to get shot and killed for something as stupid as a jammed up weapon for not cleaing it, thats on me. if others die because i had a jammed up weapon, please let there be some kind hearted media around to spin it for me..

but for jessica, i am sure she is living with some deep regrets and horrible feelings with seeing others die around her. or working on a movie deal..

[Argyll]

The real story shouldn't be about Jessica's recoverey, but the recovery of the remains of the rest of the convoy, where they dug them up from shallow graves with their bare hands.

The "rescue" mission came at a time when the US Military needed a boost, as things had started to get bogged down, and using the cameras provided a good morale booster.....I believe it was staged to a certain extent, but you still have to treat the Mission like you planned and rehearsed, and expect the unexpected.......sure there were no enemy in the hospital, but If I was Team Commander I wouldn't be taking that chance,my guys would do it by the book.

The Sgt who got the Silver Star is the true hero of the convoy, he did all the things that Lynch was reported to have done.

[AIRBORNEJOCK]

The real story shouldn't be about Jessica's recoverey, but the recovery of the remains of the rest of the convoy, where they dug them up from shallow graves with their bare hands.

The "rescue" mission came at a time when the US Military needed a boost, as things had started to get bogged down, and using the cameras provided a good morale booster.....I believe it was staged to a certain extent, but you still have to treat the Mission like you planned and rehearsed, and expect the unexpected.......sure there were no enemy in the hospital, but If I was Team Commander I wouldn't be taking that chance,my guys would do it by the book.

The Sgt who got the Silver Star is the true hero of the convoy, he did all the things that Lynch was reported to have done.

i seen a four tonner at the start ive also heard hereford had a bit to do do with it you got any info on that argyle?

[bluffcove]

Didnt lynches passenger die when the truck was crashed?

[JMooch]

I absolutely love reading all of the supposition from people who were not in anyway involved with the operation in question.

If I may weigh in, albeit briefly.

First off, most people's (read: civilians) criteria for being a "hero" is inaccurate at best.

So let's see according to many of you, a young soldier gets into ambush, is wounded, captured and tortured and manages to stay alive but some of you don't think she rates a Bronze Star?

Did she fire her weapon? Likely not.
Did she storm a building? No.
Find WMD? No.
Save the president? No.
Did she manage to stay alive after suffering horrific injuries? Yes.

In my book the kid is a hero. I've been around enough of them to know one when I see one. Courage comes in many forms. This kid did what she could to the best of her abilities. She just wants the whole thing to go away.

Most of you don't know what the hell you are talking about unless you've been under similar circumstances. I suggest you rethink your positions or put yourself in the same position she was. Then you can make an informed opinion. The rest of the nonsense I read here is just high-grade bulls**t.

Matchanu and Argyll, good to see you both around again.
S/F
Mooch

[Zerodivider]

Who says that she was tortured?

[bluffcove]

Standard deal,

If ever any allied serviceman is captured you must state they were tortured.

Not "robust interrogation" but torture you understand!

[Dark Avenger]

Yup, haven't seen them in a while since the last SF pics from 2-3 years back ..

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/2685680.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=6FC26B94D0397D964FF7F4E4933DB7C0
Any more photos of US Army Pandurs please?:)

[Superking]

Standard deal,

If ever any allied serviceman is captured you must state they were tortured.

Not "robust interrogation" but torture you understand!

Just like Club Gitmo then...all of them claim to be tortured and everyone seems to swallow that.

[JMooch]

"Who says that she was tortured?"

"Standard deal,

If ever any allied serviceman is captured you must state they were tortured.

Not "robust interrogation" but torture you understand!"

So neither of you would consider the twisting of broken limbs until passing out torture?

Ignorant.

Why don't you guys stick to a topic that you have some experience with, like playing games on your computer?

[Sand Man]

Absolutely love them inter-branch tier-1 SF folks doing an op together.

I saw the movie and if the info was true they had to start a firefight nearby to attract out most of the insurgents and guards in the hospital.

But Argyll was right, to me the real story was those SF guys digging the rest of the convoy with their bare hands. In the movie they dug until the early sun was over the horizon.

That's the real sense of the words "Leave no one behind".

[kingrabbit]

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jessica_Lynch&action=edit&section=2)] Differing accounts

Some time after Lynch's rescue, several sources alleged the story of Lynch's rescue was distorted and exaggerated by the United States government in an effort to undercut public resistance to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Iraqi doctors at the hospital in question claimed Lynch was well cared for by hospital personnel and virtually unguarded at the time that she was rescued by American forces; rather, Lynch's "rescue" was a publicity stunt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publicity_stunt) that was staged, and the subsequent news reports were carefully controlled propaganda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda), drawing on the captivity narrative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captivity_narrative) genre.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources)] Though Pentagon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon) statements claimed that Lynch emptied her rifle fighting off her attackers, later reports and Lynch herself indicated that this was not the case; in fact her rifle jammed on the first round and she did not offer any resistance to her capture. The story is now believed to have stemmed from the mistranslation of an intercepted Iraqi message which referred to one of her male fellow soldiers.
Amended reports by The Washington Post (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Post), which initially reported dramatic stories of Lynch's ordeal, indicated that U.S. officials made no attempt to downplay exaggerated or incorrect reports in the media. The dramatic rescue, with heavy force ready for an unknown situation, was videotaped at the request of military public affairs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations), who knew this would be a popular story. In other reports, British military officials were very critical of the way that the videotape was released to the press and the spin that U.S. officials decided to put on the Lynch story.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources)] Iraqi doctors caring for Lynch told reporters that they gave Lynch the best care possible while she was kept at the hospital, and that they often bought juice that she asked for using their own money.

Torture??

[Baboonass]

THE MEDIA GET TO DECIDE WHO WINS MEDALS ?





In a way, yes.

If there is enough pressure from the public, then the military will be forced to act. There have been quite a nymber of cases were some serviceman was snubbed on their well deserved award for many years and only recieved it after petitions or media support. The long forgoten Tusgege airmen come to mind.

[Baboonass]

ok here comes my suspension.. lol
ok.. to recap.. they got lost. got ambushed.. got captured ..some folks died.. she got rescued.. i believe i read somewhere didnt even get a shot off due to poor maintenance of weapon, causing it to jam? if i am wrong i apoligise.. so where does a bronze star come in for being captured? where does all this attention come from that everyone knows her.. oh yeah.. the media.. just yearning to sell there little rag of a paper lets blow this story up cause one it is a female.. and shhhhhh special forces saved her.. whatever.. yes i work with sf .. yes i have heard shots fired in anger.. fired a few myself.. do i deserve a medal.. nope,, its work.. american propaganda machine at its finest.. excellent work to the soldiers who saved her.. hope you come for me before i lose my head.. as i am sure i will get the good old boot for saying what i feel here.. she did nothing to merit the attention the media created around her.. and for those of you that feel she did, well that your opinon and you are entitled to it.. but think about this if she is such a hero such a trooper.. you want her going through that fatal funnel with you..? doubt it. my condolences to the families of the ones who didnt make and were found in shallow graves.. sadly i am amshamed to say i dont know there names.. but hey good luck jessica, have fun with the future book and movie deals you will have.. see ya soon in playboy..


Aparently you havn't been paying attention. Go back and read some of the posts on this.


Besides, what does "yes i work with sf" mean exactly?

[JMooch]

"Torture??"

Oh I see, you'll believe a press piece when it suits you.

I've had enough of the ignorance on this board. Some of you have an axe to grind with someone or something and you are taking it out on Lynch. Probably due to your own failings and inadequacies.

I'm out.

Matchanu I'm not going to try and fight the good fight with these fools anymore.

Argyll, sorry bro, this board is too much. I don't know how you put up with the nonsense here.

These people have no idea what they are talking about. None of them were involved in this op yet some of them feel the need to make judgements about the people who were.

Opinions and a**holes, too many of them here for me.

BTW when he says "yes i work with sf" it means he works the counter at the BK on Bragg.

[Baboonass]

"Torture??"

Oh I see, you'll believe a press piece when it suits you.

I've had enough of the ignorance on this board. Some of you have an axe to grind with someone or something and you are taking it out on Lynch. Probably due to you're own failings and inadequacies.

I'm out.

Matchanu I'm not going to try and fight the good fight with these fools anymore.

Argyll, sorry bro, this board is too much. I don't know how you put up with the nonsense here.

These people have no idea what they are talking about. None of them were involved in this op yet some of them feel the need to make judgements about the people who were.

Opinions an a**holes, too many of them here for me.

LOL!!

There certainly is a large element of buffoonery here, but there are some good folks here as well.

Take a break for a bit, but don't go away completely.

[BMF_EOD]

Thanks for posting a wikipedia piece to show just how right you are. It solidifies my point that the only thing you know about this op is what you saw on TV and read on the net or in the paper.

[AlphaOneSix]

So, how does the infrared system works in this video? the hotter the darker?


In case you're still interested in an answer to this...

It looks like the polarity throughout much of the IR video (if not all of it) is set to black-hot, so yes, the hotter the darker. But the polarity can always be reversed to white-hot so that lighter is hotter. Depending on a bunch of variables, one usually looks a lot better than the other.

[Fulix]

Fulix; no need to apologize for your english...hell of a lot better than my Portuguese.
:-D

Cheers mate!

[California Joe]

Man is this a hot button issue still.

We only know about any of this because it's about a pretty blond girl. A girl that never claimed a damned thing except she was happy to be rescued. I think she did what she could and she didn't ask for any of this.

She was used because it was convenient. And would strike a chord with the American public. Simple as that. Not her fault. She has been in exactly 1 more firefight than I have. I'm figuring if you survive and didn't sh*t yourself when the bullets flew you did OK. She cannot be held accountable for how she was used and the way medals are handed out when convenient but she is a BTDT.

Was her medal a political act? Most certainly. Did they benefit more than her from it? Most certainly.

I understand the Brits that have served and their reactions to this when traditionally being "mentioned in dispatches" was a big deal. It was not her call. The issues with that convoy should have been corrected by a competent NCO.

The girl is not the problem here and if you believe that any of the men that took part in the operation to rescue her were posing for cameras you are ignorant.

This thread really reinforces the disparity of age and experience that floats around in here.

Stick around Mooch, in fact, post a whole lot more and educate the masses. It'll make you feel all warm and fuzzy.

[Nevins]

chilling to see how scared she was.

[Ravage]

No BS here my friend, I would probably sh!t my pants if I was there...
But then again you never know.

[BMF_EOD]

@ California Joe-

Thanks Gramps! Where would we be without the wisdom of our elders?p-)

[Ravage]

stone age p-)

[Creeper]

Cali Joe spoke:

This thread really reinforces the disparity of age and experience that floats around in here.



Hear - Hear ! X-2. I believe the BTDTs echo Cali's words. If there ever was a disclamier!

I hope to God that a women is never involved in an similiar incident ever again.

peace.

[Ravage]

Ok, questions time again :)

Here we see Jess being carried from a helo

http://img424.imageshack.us/img424/439/1nm0.png

is that a MH-60 (SOAR) or is it a HH-60 (AFSOF) ?

and another thing, after she leaves the helo she is carried to a fixed wing:

http://img428.imageshack.us/img428/9555/2lb9.png

So the PJs had to transport her from the obj. by helo, then to a airstrip and get her from the AO via airplane ?

[JTAR7242]

There certainly is a large element of buffoonery here, but there are some good folks here as well.
Unfortunately, they are in the extreme minority.


A bunch of never been there, never done anything, never will dumbasses, many of them foreigners, who believe for some reason their heavily baised opinions mean anything, and that we're somehow impressed by their lackluster attempts to sound witty.

Anyway, I'm back off to kill babies and "torture" Iraqi prisoners with naked man pyramids. ;)

[AirForceOne]

How about we all stop the fighting in this thread? Anyone puts their lives on the lines - the Army, the SF, the Marines, the Coast Guard, whatever. To me, they are ALL heroes. I don't care if they didn't even shoot a bad guy or whatever. They are still heroes. Who is with me?

[Ravage]

You have my vote my friend, you have my vote.

[Sand Man]

Opinions and a**holes, too many of them here for me.

Hey man, if you leave now there'll be one less BTDT to call-out these "experts" ... ;)

[ibstolidude]

How did they find her?
Must be hard intell work, consider the time then.
It isn't hard to figure that this is part of the reason the rescue party did not plan solely on being met with tea and candy at the hospital doors.......

People are bitching about this so they can justify their own beliefs.
The reality: the events leading up to (the collection and working w/the source,) and including the rescue, show the high level of competence of the men and women involved.
What those involved in the rescue did was reflect their courage to ensure that all US Forces know that every effort will be made to bring them home, to make this story about anything else is bullcarp.

...also it pays to remember how floors are numbered.

[Jurpula]

How about we all stop the fighting in this thread? Anyone puts their lives on the lines - the Army, the SF, the Marines, the Coast Guard, whatever. To me, they are ALL heroes. I don't care if they didn't even shoot a bad guy or whatever. They are still heroes. Who is with me?

I'm with you.

[kingrabbit]

ok so what makes my position at burger king , or the knowledge of this "OP" that was fed to me and many other folks of the "hero" by the media any different that what you big time operators have..? what secret squirrel account is left out from this that i has to suffer through months of this girl on tv, getting a ton of praise for nothing..? ask the majority of the folks in the military about her and you'll probably get the same disgusted look that i give.. kudos to the girl for getting lost in a hostile environment, getting ambushed and surviving her "torture" she had to endure.. im just pointing out how the military and the press are so eager for good press that they resort to this. and it disgusts me how cheaply medals are awarded.. seen three k-9 handlers recive a bronze star all because a morter came into camp (no where near them) and they told a general where the bunker was..

oh and would you like that supersized?? its just 35 cents more..

[ibstolidude]

ok so what makes my position at burger king , or the knowledge of this "OP" that was fed to me and many other folks of the "hero" by the media any different that what you big time operators have..? what secret squirrel account is left out from this that i has to suffer through months of this girl on tv, getting a ton of praise for nothing..? ask the majority of the folks in the military about her and you'll probably get the same disgusted look that i give.. kudos to the girl for getting lost in a hostile environment, getting ambushed and surviving her "torture" she had to endure.. im just pointing out how the military and the press are so eager for good press that they resort to this. and it disgusts me how cheaply medals are awarded.. seen three k-9 handlers recive a bronze star all because a morter came into camp (no where near them) and they told a general where the bunker was..

oh and would you like that supersized?? its just 35 cents more..

This pretty much sums it up right here - "what secret squirrel account is left out from this that i has to suffer through months of this girl on tv."
Your sense of indignation is very telling, while others may agree that Lynch's BS was not warranted, few had to "suffer" because of it. Anyone with any longer than a week in the military and a deployment knows, "medals happen." Quite frankly, if you are that put off about a medal, then you have no business in the businesss.

There is pretty much nothing left to say about the topic.

[Midav]

Thanks for sharing the vid!!!

[Ravage]

Thanks for sharing the vid!!!

You are welcome :hug:

[Crux]

Thanks for posting the video. I met a sailor who was on this OP, good guy. Glad they found her.

[gear_monkey]

argyll, matchanu......thanks for what you do/have done....you guys make this country great.


bluffcove, themongoose..........you are absolutely the two biggest idiots I have ever seen....but then this is really the only way you get someone to speak to you without paying for it right? I think you mom is calling for you to take out the trash.

[Beowulf]

This pretty much sums it up right here - "what secret squirrel account is left out from this that i has to suffer through months of this girl on tv."
Your sense of indignation is very telling, while others may agree that Lynch's BS was not warranted, few had to "suffer" because of it. Anyone with any longer than a week in the military and a deployment knows, "medals happen." Quite frankly, if you are that put off about a medal, then you have no business in the businesss.

There is pretty much nothing left to say about the topic.

WHAAAT?? You mean those guys in the JOC didn't earn their bronze stars??


Hydrate or Die.

[JMooch]

the knowledge of this "OP" that was fed to me and many other folks of the "hero" by the media any different that what you big time operators have..?

If the individuals who "fed" you that info weren't there then you are just ignorant for taking their word.


what secret squirrel account is left out from this that i has to suffer through months of this girl on tv, getting a ton of praise for nothing..?

First off, if you don't like what's on TV then change the channel. Secondly she survived that's why she was praised. Oh yeah and that she was the first POW rescued from the enemy since WWII which made her a novelty. Let me ask you this, would you have hated the flag raisers from Iwo as much if this were WWII? They were given the same treatment as she.


ask the majority of the folks in the military about her and you'll probably get the same disgusted look that i give....

I chalk that up to ignorance, jealousy and stupidity.


it disgusts me how cheaply medals are awarded.. seen three k-9 handlers recive a bronze star all because a morter came into camp (no where near them) and they told a general where the bunker was....

You won't get much of an arguement from me on that. I usually don't pay much attention to any award that doesn't have a "V" on it...that is unless I see a POW medal next to it.


oh and would you like that supersized?? its just 35 cents more..

I don't eat at Burger King. That ****s bad for you.

[kingrabbit]

well call me well fed by the democratic press you seem to love so much there mooch.. and stupid for not seeing things the way you do.. excuse me for having an opinon on some dumb crap that happened.. and sorry being a civilian, so i dont get any medals so no "V's" in my future.. i know that must mean about as much as getting a coin to you guys.. have fun shaving that beard now.. no more playing local with the domocrates running the show.. i'll still have mine and i will still be playing int he sand box too.. and i miss that lil S/F sign off you have.. only for special events..? ego what..? night all...

[Abbadon the Despoiler]

Great work!
thanks for the vid.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Chops]

Dude

Friendly warning- don't dredge up old threads unless you are adding substantial new information. Tends to piss people off.

Thanks

[Abbadon the Despoiler]

yes sir! sir!

[Chops]

Have an infraction then smart arse. And go read the forum rules before you get yourself in more ****; http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1554

[pascalywood]

Why couldnt they go to the hospital and ask to have Lynch back?

[snoddy]

any MIA/POW deserves a medal when they get home....
should that be enough to be called a hero?

[HK in AK]

Dude

Friendly warning- don't dredge up old threads unless you are adding substantial new information. Tends to piss people off.

Thanks

Doesn't say anything in the rules about bringing up old threads... Lynch has been in the news because of her testimony on the hill.

[Creeper]

Doesn't say anything in the rules about bringing up old threads... Lynch has been in the news because of her testimony on the hill.

Just a little friendly advice: When it states-"unless you are adding substantial new information." There is no recent "new" info on this thread.

Just idle chit-chat.

Have the best of whatever.

[snoddy]

theres afew other threads in here on this subject maybe they should all be condensed into 1?

[Creeper]

Yes, perhaps,,,,

Let the Mods handle that issue; in the meantime,, lets try to keep the rebellious nature of ourselves to a 'quiet' tone.
!

[nick_ua]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=450509&in_page_id=1770