Florida Republican in Islam hate row [Archive]

Secret Squirrel

11-02-2006, 02:36 PM

A prominent local Republican in Florida said Tuesday he believed Islam was a "hateful, frightening religion."

Tom Hogan, Sr., the recently appointed commissioner of Hernando County, told the St. Petersburg Times Tuesday that he agreed with a letter his wife Mary Ann had written to the paper describing Islam as a "hateful, frightening religion."

"Overall, worldwide, it certainly is," Hogan said. "Don't you read your own paper?

"There's a saying out there, and there's some truth to it, that not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims. It's their thing," he told the newspaper.

Mrs. Hogan wrote her letter to the St. Petersburg Times last week in which she criticized county authorities for supporting the celebration of Eid-al-Fitr, the festival that marked the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan on Oct. 23, at a local mosque.

The St. Petersburg Times described Tom and Mary Ann Hogan as being "widely considered the first couple of Hernando County's Republican Party, and both have helped lead the party since the 1960s."

The paper said that local Muslim religious leaders in Hernando County "reacted with shock and dismay" to the Hogans' comments.

"We're deeply concerned about the hateful and racist nature of these comments," Ahmed Bedier, executive director of the Tampa chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, told the newspaper. He said he would urge Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who appointed Hogan to the county commissioner's post less than three months ago, to fire him from it.

But Mary Ann Hogan told the St. Petersburg Times she was standing by her comments. "They can call it whatever they want to," she said. "I'm calling them barbarians. "

link (http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20061102-111921-3064r)
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LazyLob

11-02-2006, 02:40 PM

"We're deeply concerned about the hateful and racist nature of these comments," Ahmed Bedier, executive director of the Tampa chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations

?????????? CAIR at its best.

shire19

11-02-2006, 02:43 PM

You tend to fear what you dont understand.

"There's a saying out there, and there's some truth to it, that not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims. It's their thing," he told the newspaper.

:cantbeli:

a_very_ex_STAB

11-02-2006, 02:50 PM

"There's a saying out there, and there's some truth to it, that not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims. It's their thing," he told the newspaper.

What a fcuking knobend:cantbeli:

Maybe we should point him in the direction of NORAID and PIRA.

Oh of course how could we forget terrorism was invented on 911 wasn't it.

Henry's Fork

11-02-2006, 03:32 PM

What a fcuking knobend:cantbeli:

Maybe we should point him in the direction of NORAID and PIRA.

Oh of course how could we forget terrorism was invented on 911 wasn't it.

Yes, dumb**** would be a good name for him. But then he is a politician. No surprises there.

But would it also be a fitting name for you as well?

That US chip that you have on your shoulder is HUGE. :petting:

Ordie

11-02-2006, 07:24 PM

The fact of the matter is that what may be a local politician sharing his views locally may be accessed globaly via the web. Thus providing fodder for Al Qaida and other groups. It can push the moderates to become extreamist. If we can view "Youtube" so can they.

Ezekiel25:17

11-02-2006, 07:28 PM

Dumb politicians. Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.

Alan

11-02-2006, 07:46 PM

Dumb politicians. Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.

And the world is flat.

Ezekiel25:17

11-02-2006, 07:48 PM

And the world is flat.

Racist. .

Miles.

11-02-2006, 07:54 PM

It was supposed to be a joke.

Mr. and Mrs. Hogan screwed up the delivery.

XShipRider

11-02-2006, 08:56 PM

Publicly the cries for apology or recantation are overbearing. Privately
many of those same people will vote him into office ala landslide.

Watch and see.

Kilgor

11-02-2006, 10:23 PM

Most terror attacks, especially the type that makes for "if it bleeds, leads" news stories are of course carried out under the guise of Islam. His statement is not 100% correct, but id say many do share is opinion. This will be called islamaphobia by some, but considering the level of islamic terrorism in the world, its not entirely without justification.

martinexsquaddie

11-03-2006, 05:14 AM

a_very_ex_STAB

11-03-2006, 05:57 AM

lets think
tamiil tigers not islamic
Farc not islamic
pira and off shoots not islamic
2nd biggest terrorist bombing in the states not islamic
not many muslims in the basque country either
so such the **** up up about all terrorists being islamic

Exactly
...don't forget the Maoist insurgents in Nepal and India they are really islamic :roll:

10thvet

11-03-2006, 06:17 AM

a_very_ex_STAB

11-03-2006, 06:21 AM

I would not not go as far as saying that Islam is a religion of Hate, but I would say it is one of extreme intolerance. Does that make me a racist also?

There are some highly intolerant sects around yes.
If you go back far enough you can find muslim societies that were relatively much more tolerant of different religions than neighbouring Christian ones. Moorish Spain being a good example. I don't think stereotyping of muslims is helpful.

LazyLob

11-03-2006, 06:31 AM

There are some highly intolerant sects around yes.
If you go back far enough you can find muslim societies that were relatively much more tolerant of different religions than neighbouring Christian ones. Moorish Spain being a good example. I don't think stereotyping of muslims is helpful.

You must be joking. The Visigoths weren't a bundle of laughs but that doesn't make your statement correct. BTW even though the Islamic invasion of Spain was really Arab their foot soldiers were Moores who were treated as second class citizens. This helped Don Pelayo win the first few battles of the "reconquista".

Iberia at that time was about to come to an agreement on the holy trinity to advance peace between the two main christian groups.

10thvet

11-03-2006, 06:42 AM

I agree that if you go back far enough in time and even in today some places(which are the minority) all religions lived in harmony in the same cities. It seems that no matter where in the world (even the US) every one is bending over backwards not to insult the religion of peace becuase of fear of backlash.

Case it point... In Minnasota some muslim cab drivers are refusing to take fares that are carrying alcohol beucase it is agaisnt the Koran. Yet the cab companies cannot fire the drivers because that would be mean firing them on grounds of religion... BTW in most cities it's agaisnt the law to refuse a fare...

What if a white cab driver was to do that to a black man, or a jew to a muslim?

mailmannz

11-03-2006, 04:14 PM

lets think
tamiil tigers not islamic
Farc not islamic
pira and off shoots not islamic
2nd biggest terrorist bombing in the states not islamic
not many muslims in the basque country either
so such the **** up up about all terrorists being islamic

However the above examples are not happening on a daily basis...unlike islamic sponsored terrorism.

Not all muslims are terrorists...but the majority of terrorists ARE muslim.

Mailman

Ria

11-03-2006, 04:27 PM

He said he would urge Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who appointed Hogan to the county commissioner's post less than three months ago, to fire him from it.

Hah hah hah hah. Not gonna happen.

Kilgor

11-03-2006, 04:52 PM

a_very_ex_STAB

11-04-2006, 05:49 AM

Stereotyping is of course going to happen with the amount of suicide bombings and other attrocities commited under the name of Islam around the world.

So why aren't you stereotyping Hindus then? Look up the exploits of the LTTE sometime

Back in the '80s there were major problems with Sikh terrorism. They even blew up an Air India jet mid Atlantic killiing hundreds of people but all you ever hear about irt that kind of thing is Lockerbie because that was done by muslims.

martinexsquaddie

11-04-2006, 07:40 AM

However the above examples are not happening on a daily basis...unlike islamic sponsored terrorism.

Not all muslims are terrorists...but the majority of terrorists ARE muslim.

Mailman

go to nepal full scale maoist uprising
columbia farc and the paramilitarys are making life fairly hellish now muslims there
apart from the al qaida cell sunning theselves off veunzlia

Fargin

11-04-2006, 11:17 AM

I would not not go as far as saying that Islam is a religion of Hate, but I would say it is one of extreme intolerance. Does that make me a racist also?

Prove me wrong and that Islam and is a religion of tolerance...I bet I can match you point for point...
The proof is a simple mind game, I don't need usage of any manipulated charts and statistics, like my political opponents.

Imagine 1.4 billion muslims not being suicide bombers.

Now, Imagine 1.4 billion suicide bombers targeting you.

In my book everyone who affiliate themselves with thereligionofpeace.com might not be a blalant racist, but I'd consider them to be a declaired enemy of abstract thinking, armed with a hatefull fundamentalist mindset.

PolishKhalsa

11-05-2006, 12:58 AM

So why aren't you stereotyping Hindus then? Look up the exploits of the LTTE sometime

Back in the '80s there were major problems with Sikh terrorism. They even blew up an Air India jet mid Atlantic killiing hundreds of people but all you ever hear about irt that kind of thing is Lockerbie because that was done by muslims.

How do you know that Sikhs blew up an Air India jet??

10thvet

11-05-2006, 02:51 AM

The proof is a simple mind game, I don't need usage of any manipulated charts and statistics, like my political opponents.

Imagine 1.4 billion muslims not being suicide bombers.

Now, Imagine 1.4 billion suicide bombers targeting you.

In my book everyone who affiliate themselves with thereligionofpeace.com might not be a blalant racist, but I'd consider them to be a declaired enemy of abstract thinking, armed with a hatefull fundamentalist mindset.

So you are saying I am a racist...
I do not beleive that there is 1.4 billion muslims turning into suicide bombers
What I said is that islam is a relgion of extreme intoloreance and ppl are scared of the backlash from the muslims, That includes moderate muslims who are scared of the backlash

Fade

11-05-2006, 03:05 AM

This thread needs more Mohammed!

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7528/mohammedcartoondanishthof8.jpg

shire19

11-05-2006, 03:09 AM

So you are saying I am a racist...
I do not beleive that there is 1.4 billion muslims turning into suicide bombers
What I said is that islam is a relgion of extreme intoloreance and ppl are scared of the backlash from the muslims, That includes moderate muslims who are scared of the backlash

So Islam is so extreme that it holds over a billion muslims under hostage with only a bunch of muslim extremists? Alrighty then...

Thor

11-05-2006, 03:16 AM

tamiil tigers not islamic
Farc not islamic
pira and off shoots not islamic
2nd biggest terrorist bombing in the states not islamic
not many muslims in the basque country either
so such the **** up up about all terrorists being islamic
I hope you have enough sense to see the difference between isolated nationalist rebels and islamic terrorists. You make the same mistake as that spanish PM who claimed the Madrid bombings were carried out by ETA - no one bought it.

As for the Oklahoma bombing, how many people were behind it? It was an isolated event carried out by a single lunatic.

Imagine 1.4 billion muslims not being suicide bombers.
How about imagining some 70 percent of 1.4 billion muslims saying they have some or much sympathy with islamic terror. That's at least what a numbers of polls around Europe have showed. It also explains why there's a huge muslim outcry over some cartoons but always dead silence after terror bombings.

Litti

11-05-2006, 03:24 AM

The reasons for these terrorist attacks and suicide bombings are mostly geopolitical. There´s obviously always some religious rethoric included which may fool your average citizen to think that Islam is directly responsible but that´s all there is to it.

I dislike Islam AND Christianity when taken too literally. There are some good points in both religions but I have to say I´m not really a big fan of them.

I have nothing against muslims or christians as a people, most of them are just trying to get on with their lives while politicians and power hungry mother****ers are doing their best to deny that right.

10thvet

11-05-2006, 04:46 AM

I think it has to do with the way we view the world...
We can agree to disagree since we have posted our opionions.
We can leave it at that or you can post articles to prove me wrong...prove to me that islam is a tolerant religion.

vrb

11-05-2006, 07:45 AM

How do you know that Sikhs blew up an Air India jet??

Well.... I suspect it was bad phrasing but it was 'Sikh Extremists' not 'Sikhs'. It's well documented..

PolishKhalsa

11-05-2006, 11:56 AM

Well.... I suspect it was bad phrasing but it was 'Sikh Extremists' not 'Sikhs'. It's well documented..

There is as much evidence that the 'Extremists in the Indian government' blew this plane up as the 'Sikh Extremists' ... It's well documented :)

vrb

11-05-2006, 01:41 PM

There is as much evidence that the 'Extremists in the Indian government' blew this plane up as the 'Sikh Extremists' ... It's well documented :)

WHAT!!! You can't seriously believe that. Oh you do. Sad.....

One

11-05-2006, 02:55 PM

Dumb politicians. Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.

I know, and christianity as well preaches love and peace but since the IRA blew people up then all christians are terrorists, and God's army in africa also makes christians terrorists, the phalange in lebanon killed people in the name of christianity as well so they also are terrorists hmmm love and peace.

Ezekiel25:17

11-05-2006, 03:02 PM

LazyLob

11-05-2006, 06:40 PM

I know, and christianity as well preaches love and peace but since the IRA blew people up then all christians are terrorists, and God's army in africa also makes christians terrorists, the phalange in lebanon killed people in the name of christianity as well so they also are terrorists hmmm love and peace.

The Lebanese Phalangists did it in the name of religion? Yeah right, pull the other one. Your other examples are also scraping the bottom of the barrel. But I'll give you one thing...both those there holy books preach a lot of hate in between some pretty obvious wisdom.

a_very_ex_STAB

11-06-2006, 04:23 AM

There is as much evidence that the 'Extremists in the Indian government' blew this plane up as the 'Sikh Extremists' ... It's well documented :)

TINFOIL ALERT!!!!!

PolishKhalsa

11-06-2006, 01:08 PM

WHAT!!! You can't seriously believe that. Oh you do. Sad.....

If you accuse somebody of something you better have your 'well documented sources' ready. I did not see any of them yet.

a_very_ex_STAB

11-06-2006, 01:30 PM

If you accuse somebody of something you better have your 'well documented sources' ready. I did not see any of them yet.

So let's see your 'well documented' tinfoil sources that back up your allegation that the Indian Government blew up an Air India jet mid Atlantic at a time when Sikh terrorists were engaged in a bloody campaign to 'free' the Punjab region from Indian rule.

PolishKhalsa

11-06-2006, 01:45 PM

So let's see your 'well documented' tinfoil sources that back up your allegation that the Indian Government blew up an Air India jet mid Atlantic at a time when Sikh terrorists were engaged in a bloody campaign to 'free' the Punjab region from Indian rule.

I just said there is as many for one case or the other. Now you are the accuser lets see what you got.

PS. After over 20 year investigation RCMP still does not know who did it and you know.

seraosha

11-06-2006, 01:56 PM

Just read the Q'uran.

All the arguments you need to show that Islam is a violent meme are there. Taken with a side order of sunnah, and a sprinkle of sharia and you have yourself a heaping plate of steaming intolerance, racism, sexism and justified violence against non-muslims.

Can the same arguments be made against other religions? Sure.
Islam does not have the corner market on hate, just wholesale prices that can't be beat.

vrb

11-06-2006, 03:28 PM

I just said there is as many for one case or the other. Now you are the accuser lets see what you got.

PS. After over 20 year investigation RCMP still does not know who did it and you know.

Hmmm.

Perhaps this will jog your memory:

http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-ai182.shtml

or

http://www.psepc.gc.ca/prg/ns/airs/rep1-3-en.asp

which is the official Canadian Government website.

It's more likely however that you're a supporter of Khalistan and are a syphathiser towards terrorist attrocities.

rajkhalsa

11-06-2006, 03:43 PM

PolishKhalsa

11-06-2006, 04:21 PM

Someone's been hittin the hash a little too hard it seems. :roll:

The official Indian government spokesman is here. Now we will know everything.

PolishKhalsa

11-06-2006, 05:16 PM

Hmmm.

Perhaps this will jog your memory:

http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-ai182.shtml

or

http://www.psepc.gc.ca/prg/ns/airs/rep1-3-en.asp

which is the official Canadian Government website.
.

A lot of what happend accounts and who MIGHT be involved but we still do not know who did it.

It's more likely however that you're a supporter of Khalistan and are a syphathiser towards terrorist attrocities.

And it is very likely the you do not know what you are talking about.