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ed316
11-02-2006, 04:03 PM
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China's trillion dollar surplus
Analysis
By Steve Schifferes
BBC News economics reporter



In November China will achieve a new milestone in its economic development when its total foreign exchange reserves reach $1 trillion.
As of 1 October, China's central bank announced that its reserves were $987bn - and they are growing by $18bn each month.


That sum is the largest holding of foreign exchange reserves in the world - and more than the annual value of economic activity in all but a handful of the world's big economies.
The huge surplus is a product of China's success as an exporter to the world.
China's trade surplus, the difference between the amount it sells and buys from the world, has topped $100bn, with the imbalance especially marked with the US.
As a result, China receives more and more foreign currency each year, which it puts in its reserves.
But China's currency reserves are now so large that some economists fear they will unbalance the entire global economy.
Grip on US
Foreign currency reserves are generally seen as a good thing - it is the lack of reserves that means that countries might suffer runs on their currency, as Britain did in the 1970s.


But China's surplus is much more than China needs to cover its exports, or pay for its own investments abroad.
And China has mainly invested its foreign currency reserves in long-term US Treasury bonds and other government securities.
Brad Setser, a former US Treasury official, estimates that China now holds $700bn in US long-term bonds, enough to lower US long-term interest rates by 1.5% - which helped stimulate the recent housing boom.
But those holdings are a double-edged sword.
If China attempted to diversify its holdings, it could cause a collapse in the value of the dollar and higher inflation in the US.
That would also lower the value of China's own reserve assets - so China is only slowly moving out of dollars and into other currencies such as the euro.
However, it also ties the fate of the US economy to China.
Worries for China
In economic theory, China's currency should rise in value since it has such a big trade surplus and currency reserves.

That would make its goods more expensive and cut the trade surplus.
But China's economic growth is highly dependent on exports and investment, with relatively little coming from domestic consumption.
So the Chinese government wants to keep the value of its currency, the yuan, fixed at a rate tied to the US dollar (with a 3% variation allowed).
This helps boost foreign investment but makes it more difficult to control inflation.
In the long term, China wants to switch the emphasis in its economy to domestic demand.
But that will take time - and in the meanwhile the currency reserves could double to reach $2 trillion in a few more years.
Foreign investment
Some economists argue that the pattern actually benefits both the US and China.
The US gets a cheap and stable source of funding for its trade deficit, allowing the economy to continue to grow as consumers purchase cheap foreign goods - whose low prices keep inflation in check.
And China is able to maintain its export-led economic growth, generating jobs for its growing urban population, while continuing to attract foreign investment.
But others argue that it may not be sustainable - and the attempt to unwind these huge imbalances could destabilise the world economy.
Brad Setser believes that unless China rapidly revalues its currency, it will face increased pressures on its domestic economy - with over-investment (now approaching 50% of GDP) eventually collapsing, putting pressure on the banking system.
Fred Bergsten of the Institute of International Economics argues that the problems of adjustment - and the huge trade imbalance - will generate growing protectionist pressures in the US and Europe, undermining support for free trade.
The IMF and the OECD also see this adjustment as the central problem of the world economy.
And unless it is tackled, the prospects for future world economic growth might well be derailed.





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Published: 2006/11/02 00:07:13 GMT

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HOLLiS
11-02-2006, 04:06 PM
Isn't economics wonderful, you don't cook the goose that lays the golden eggs.

Long a go articles like this have been published on other countries with strong holding in the US.

XShipRider
11-02-2006, 04:45 PM
Remember when everyone thought Japan was going to own the US?
They were buying real estate left and right including, but not limited to:

1) Pebble Beach
2) Rockefeller Square
3) Ranches and farms
etc.

Pebble Beach and Rockefeller Square were sold back within 10 years.

2Sheds_Jackson
11-02-2006, 04:57 PM
I think as a first step, the Chinese should buy Paris Hilton. It's a win-win for everybody.

ed316
11-02-2006, 05:02 PM
I think as a first step, the Chinese should buy Paris Hilton. It's a win-win for everybody.

Bukake? .

Weasel
11-02-2006, 05:03 PM
Bukake? .

China, not Japan.

SnakeBiteLeader
11-02-2006, 05:05 PM
How do you say "stick-up" in Mandarin?

ed316
11-02-2006, 05:06 PM
China, not Japan.


Why is it that Germans know this kind of thing?

Weasel
11-02-2006, 05:08 PM
Why is it that Germans know this kind of thing?

You are German?

ed316
11-02-2006, 05:09 PM
You are German?

YOu are the one to correct me.;)

Weasel
11-02-2006, 05:13 PM
YOu are the one to correct me.;)

Because you yanks are always wrong. p-)

2Sheds_Jackson
11-02-2006, 05:18 PM
China, not Japan.

Yes you're right. I believe in Chinese word for it is 完全 妓女 which translated, means "total whore".

redflash
11-02-2006, 05:39 PM
Yes you're right. I believe in Chinese word for it is 完全 妓女 which translated, means "total whore".wrong
online translator doesn't work that well, isn't it. example, omega7

2Sheds_Jackson
11-02-2006, 05:57 PM
wrong
online translator doesn't work that well, isn't it. example, omega7

I regret my error. My previous post was what's known as a "joke", the humor of which derives not from the accuracy of the translation, but from the idea that even the Chinese would consider Paris Hilton a whore. I expected my audience to primarily be non-Chinese speakers who would not require a grammatically correct translation to sustain the humor. I would like to thank you for pointing out my error, in Comic Book Guy fashion, and I look upon it as an opportunity for improvement. In the future, I will redouble my efforts, and rather than devoting 4 or 5 seconds, will hire a professional translation service prior to executing any jokes in a foreign language.

Ezekiel25:17
11-02-2006, 06:41 PM
wrong
online translator doesn't work that well, isn't it. example, omega7

Now you know you nodescript hybrid. Funny how Chinese people think they are so superior.

sferrin
11-02-2006, 06:54 PM
I regret my error. My previous post was what's known as a "joke", the humor of which derives not from the accuracy of the translation, but from the idea that even the Chinese would consider Paris Hilton a whore. I expected my audience to primarily be non-Chinese speakers who would not require a grammatically correct translation to sustain the humor. I would like to thank you for pointing out my error, in Comic Book Guy fashion, and I look upon it as an opportunity for improvement. In the future, I will redouble my efforts, and rather than devoting 4 or 5 seconds, will hire a professional translation service prior to executing any jokes in a foreign language.

LOL! That's why ya gotta love spelling and punctuation flames. As if anybody agonizes over whether or not they've got the ocassional typo or mistake in punctuation on a friggin' web forum.

Durandal
11-02-2006, 09:53 PM
THe big question is, where is CHina going to invest money, the money it has now and when is it going to turn its stock market and banks into something that we will all enjoy seeing.

China is a gold mine waiting to happen...if it happens right. We ALL want those Billion plus people to become smart consumers.

Kilgor
11-02-2006, 10:34 PM
Remember when everyone thought Japan was going to own the US?
They were buying real estate left and right including, but not limited to:

1) Pebble Beach
2) Rockefeller Square
3) Ranches and farms
etc.

Pebble Beach and Rockefeller Square were sold back within 10 years.

I can remember as a kid there was a tourism slogan for our state, which was parodied into..

"queensland, perfect one day...
"japanese the next"

MaydayJohnson
11-02-2006, 11:40 PM
chinese are smart, can you say "china superpower", and they happen to be commies. congratulations.

Rifleman
11-03-2006, 12:16 AM
Most of the growth in Chinese exports to the United States has come from switching manufacturing and assembly from other, more expensive, Asian countries. In 1985, China, Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan and South Korea accounted for 52.3 percent of America’s trade deficit. By 2005, this percentage had fallen to 40.9 percent, in part because of cost savings from buying Chinese....that much drop from cost savings alone...amazing!

Personally I think China is the one who is most at risk. If their economy went bust two things would happen.

#1. We would find out where all the "loan" buisness really stands. I don't think the outcome would smell like roses which would lead too...

#2. The dollar would drop, yea bad for the dollar but great for the consumer, China would become a "more expensive Asian country" and we would be bitching about India. Remember when all the tee shirts were made in Mexico and cost $3.00, now they are a 3 pack for $3.99...nice!

Pandy
11-03-2006, 12:18 AM
chinese are smart, can you say "china superpower", and they happen to be commies. congratulations.

Commie? Their not even commie economy. They copied what we were doing, and started doing what we do. The only thing that's not dragging them down is a thing called 'wages.' Us Americans ain't cheap.

--Mac--
11-03-2006, 01:51 AM
I think as a first step, the Chinese should buy Paris Hilton. It's a win-win for everybody.

MWR For the million man standing army.

ViktorNavorski
11-03-2006, 05:24 AM
THe big question is, where is CHina going to invest money, the money it has now and when is it going to turn its stock market and banks into something that we will all enjoy seeing.

China is a gold mine waiting to happen...if it happens right. We ALL want those Billion plus people to become smart consumers.I'll give this a try...

Whatever the number, China's bad loans are equivalent to its vast amount of the country's foreign exchange reserves and frankly, I think China itself does not even know the true extent of the problem of it outstanding loans. In the past, China's been prone to spinning its GDP, its bad debts, its FDI levels, all good signal for troubling time ahead.
According to Ernst & Young, the accounting firm, bad loans in the Chinese financial system have reached a staggering $US911 billion ($1.18 trillion), including $US225 billion in potential future NPLs in the four largest state-owned banks.

This equals 40 per cent of gross domestic product and China has already spent the equivalent of 25-30 per cent of GDP in previous bank bail-outs.

The revelation shows that half-hearted reforms have addressed merely the symptoms of China’s financial fragility. Poor business practices are blamed for NPLs but the real source is political. As long as the communist party relies on state-controlled banks to maintain an unreformed core of a command economy, Chinese banks will make more bad loans.

Systemic economic waste, bank lending practices, political patronage and the survival of a one-party state are inseparably intertwined in China. The party can no longer secure the loyalty of its 70 million members through ideological indoctrination; instead, it uses material perks and careers in government and state-owned enterprises (SOEs). That is why, after nearly 30 years of economic reform, the state still owns 56 per cent of the fixed capital stock. The unreformed core of the economy is the base of political patronage.

Government figures show that, in 2003, 5.3 million party officials held executive positions in SOEs. The party appoints about 80 per cent of the chief executives in SOEs and 56 per cent of all senior corporate executives. Recent corporate governance reforms, Western-style on paper but not in substance, have made no difference. At 70 per cent of the large and medium-sized SOEs ostensibly restructured into Western-style companies, members of party committees were appointed to the boards. Painful restructuring appears to have spared this elite. China has shed more than 30 million industrial jobs since the late 1990s but few party officials have become jobless. Then there is the Barton Biggs, Chief Global Strategist for Morgan Stanley, in the 80's, against all conventional belief of the time railed against the growth of Japan. He got laughed at by people that continue to throw money into Japan, you got to be insane to go against Japan as you would predict against China today. Then all of a sudden, Biggs was proven right, the Nikkei went from 40,000 something in 1990 to just around 12,000 today, that is a 70% loss!

He made his prediction regarding China at a Symposium in 2003...
[...] Common sense suggests pressure should be put on China to allow its currency to find its own level which certainly would be higher against the dollar. As for the massive investment boom (or should I say "bubble") in China, a bust is bound to come. A country that does not have a free markets capital allocation mechanism is uniquely unqualified to mitigate the excesses of an investment boom. After all, if the West with its sophisticated public markets and information dissemination systems was totally incapable of coping with the technology bubble, what hope is there for China? The greater the bubble, the bigger the bust. In China's case, the resulting unemployment of perhaps even several hundred million young men and women could destabilize the world.

Of course the hope is that there is a central bank chairman hidden away in some musty office in Beijing who has the stature and knowledge of Greenspan and the guts that Greenspan lacked. I don't see that there is much the G7 central bankers can do. Economists have created the legend that China is the new engine of world growth. I fear it is a myth about to become a nightmare.

Satellite Weapon
11-05-2006, 10:25 PM
chinese are smart, can you say "china superpower", and they happen to be commies. congratulations. They have a huge economy and are a regional super-power but their global influence is still limited