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daily666
11-02-2006, 05:04 PM
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Russian energy giant Gazprom has said it will more than double prices of gas supplies to Georgia from 2007.

Gazprom said it would charge Tbilisi $230 (£121) for 1,000 cubic metres of gas, compared with the $110 cost now.

Russia has often been accused of using Gazprom, a state-controlled natural gas monopoly, as a political weapon to keep its neighbours in line.

Georgia's foreign minister is in Moscow for talks in an effort to defuse tensions between the two nations.

Gela Bezhuashvili will take part in the first high-level talks between Georgia and Russia since a diplomatic crisis soured bilateral relations in September.

Postal blockade

The crisis began when Georgia, which relies heavily on Russia for exports and imports, arrested four Russian officers for alleged spying.

The Kremlin hit back with an air, sea and postal blockade on Georgia and a crackdown on Georgian migrants in Russia.

A ban on key Georgian exports, such as wine and mineral water, has also been in place for months, with Russia citing health concerns.

Last month, Georgia's biggest gas importer, Energy Invest, claimed that Gazprom was looking to raise 2007 prices to between $170 and $250.

Georgia will buy 360 million cubic metres of gas from Gazprom next year, up from 250 million cubic metres this year.

'Political decision'

Gazprom has said it will stop subsidising economies in the former USSR and will look for payments closer to its European export prices, currently at around $230-$250 per 1,000 cubic metres.

After the Gazprom announcement Georgia's state minister for economic reforms, Kakha Bendukidze, said the increase had been expected.

"I don't know if this price is final but to me it is clear that this is not a market price, this is a political decision," Mr Bendukidze told the Reuters news agency.

Mr Bendukidze said he would be observing what price Gazprom offered to Georgia's neighbours Azerbaijan and Armenia.

Relations between Georgia and Russia have been rocky since the 2004 election of Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili, who wants to boost ties with the West and join Nato in 2008.

Last week, President Vladimir Putin accused the Georgian leadership of wanting to retake the breakaway territories of Abkhazia and South Ossetia by force.

Cletus Van Damme
11-02-2006, 06:43 PM
Frenchies got it right the first time when they decided to go nuclear.

Abolith
11-02-2006, 06:52 PM
damn stright they did.. I wish we would go more nuclear also...bu thats just wishful thinking on my part. :(

tyovan4
11-02-2006, 07:00 PM
Gazprom has said it will stop subsidising economies in the former USSR and will look for payments closer to its European export prices

Some people might see this as a way of punishing Georgia - but it does make economic sense. Why should Russia sell its products to former Soviet republics at a lower price than to other countries? If the former republics want to ally themselves with other nations (Georgia and the US) - why should they still expect Moscow to bend over backwards for them? They can't have it both ways..


Wow.. I'm actually agreeing with the "Russia StRoNg" crowd on this issue..

daily666
11-02-2006, 07:02 PM
It's nothing personal, it's only business.

Alan
11-02-2006, 07:40 PM
Some people might see this as a way of punishing Georgia - but it does make economic sense. Why should Russia sell its products to former Soviet republics at a lower price than to other countries? If the former republics want to ally themselves with other nations (Georgia and the US) - why should they still expect Moscow to bend over backwards for them? They can't have it both ways..


Wow.. I'm actually agreeing with the "Russia StRoNg" crowd on this issue..


Excellent post.

I too think that people should realise that this is merely the purest, truest form of capitalism and the free market.

This isn't politics, this is mooooolaah! Profit, and we ALL like money, right?

johanness
11-02-2006, 08:31 PM
Excellent post.


This isn't politics, this is mooooolaah! Profit, and we ALL like money, right?

If you think like a b*tch,you are a b*tch....

and for sure you are one

koutch
11-02-2006, 08:36 PM
they could have increased the prices before, but gazprom is not stupid, they only do so when the time is right.
It's like hitting 2 birds with one stone.

asch
11-02-2006, 09:41 PM
If you think like a b*tch,you are a b*tch....

and for sure you are one
sometime it's better chew, than talk.

Alan
11-02-2006, 10:40 PM
If you think like a b*tch,you are a b*tch....

and for sure you are one


reported... nice knowing you troll.

daily666
11-03-2006, 06:03 AM
reported... nice knowing you troll.

quoted for truth...

Dzich
11-03-2006, 06:53 AM
they could have increased the prices before, but gazprom is not stupid, they only do so when the time is right.
It's like hitting 2 birds with one stone.
Yeah, MVD could start fighting criminals native of Georgia before, but they aren`t stupid, they only did so when the time was right. What about russian people, that suffered from the criminals? What about people that were murdered? What about their families? Who cares. The main thing is that tsar had increased his rating and soon will name his successor.
To be serious, I don`t get those russians, who admire their government`s decisions. They won`t even smell those gas-money and definately won`t live any better. And their lifes are still the less impotant thing in Russia.

Switek
11-03-2006, 07:40 AM
Ok. Those who believe that it was stricte economical decission are Dumbarses... ;)

Anyway, Goergia have would expected that decission. Sooner or later. Gazprom have right to sell gas an get for it real money. Georgians must realize that independence costs and I believe that it should make economical situation more real in that country. In longer perspective, if Georgians are clever, this should bring good results. For now I expect internal problems... but All is in Gorgians hands, they economically survive or collapse...

eugenlitwin
11-03-2006, 08:20 AM
it s very good for Georgia, new they mast do as usual independendont country do, puy full price for gas, ole, etc it s macroeconomic

but I am sorry for poor Georgians they would get couple of terrible years ahead.

daily666
11-03-2006, 09:48 AM
Ok. Those who believe that it was stricte economical decission are Dumbarses... ;)

Anyway, Goergia have would expected that decission. Sooner or later. Gazprom have right to sell gas an get for it real money. Georgians must realize that independence costs and I believe that it should make economical situation more real in that country. In longer perspective, if Georgians are clever, this should bring good results. For now I expect internal problems... but All is in Gorgians hands, they economically survive or collapse...

Simple, you're going out of the area of influence of Russia, expect Gas and all other fossil fuel prices to go up. They should have expected this to come. No drama.

CPL Trevoga
11-03-2006, 10:08 AM
Ok. Those who believe that it was stricte economical decission are Dumbarses... ;)

Anyway, Goergia have would expected that decission. Sooner or later. Gazprom have right to sell gas an get for it real money. Georgians must realize that independence costs and I believe that it should make economical situation more real in that country. In longer perspective, if Georgians are clever, this should bring good results. For now I expect internal problems... but All is in Gorgians hands, they economically survive or collapse...

Yes, it is definately political. Georgia is independent, but economically it's still Georgian SSR. Saka bit the hand that fed him.

Flamming_Python
11-03-2006, 12:30 PM
Yes, it is definately political. Georgia is independent, but economically it's still Georgian SSR. Saka bit the hand that fed him.

Very true.

The Soviet Union isn't coming back, and the ex-soviet republics are now being treated independantly. This will help Georgia with it's independence and getting rid of Russia, as that's all they care about.

Personally, I believe that Russia should subsidise the ex-Soviets as much as possible. But if they want to break links with Russia, the RF seems to be only too happy to oblige. Therefore it is tied to the political situation, but is a policy most countries practice in a variety of ways.

DIU
11-03-2006, 09:17 PM
There is an important event behind this higher price: from December 2006 the new gas pipeline from Iran to Armenia starts to work (it will be controlled by Gazprom). Thus, Georgia can’t blackmail Gazprom any more that they will stop transit of Russian gas to Armenia.

asch
11-03-2006, 10:30 PM
There is an important event behind this higher price: from December 2006 the new gas pipeline from Iran to Armenia starts to work (it will be controlled by Gazprom).
good to hear ))

Alan
11-03-2006, 10:33 PM
On related news, the gasline to South Ossetia has been built from North Ossetia.

I'm very happy about that.

Flamming_Python
11-03-2006, 11:00 PM
On related news, the gasline to South Ossetia has been built from North Ossetia.

I'm very happy about that.

lol They just went ahead and built it in technically Georgian territory or what? :)

Alan
11-04-2006, 01:38 PM
lol They just went ahead and built it in technically Georgian territory or what? :)


With the full approval and support of the Ossetians.

We don't consider our land Georgian territory.