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lightfire
10-28-2008, 09:34 AM
http://survival.com.ua/vixod/02/korp202dotjpg

http://survival.com.ua/vixod/02/korp211dotjpg

pardon my ignorance, are those real weapons? G-36, M4, AKs, Negev...

SR25
10-28-2008, 10:06 AM
To be honest just an ordinary (modern) German flecktarn is getting more and more popular amoung operational army and SF units.

Ceriy
10-28-2008, 01:45 PM
If anyone from You bratja will have any info about Vepr status, Fort and its relation to Tavor, or status of modernised AK-74 throw info on forum I will really appreciate it :) blagodarju!

P.S I would also love to hear something about camo uniforms, iI asked once and got very much useful information, but You know person always like to know even more ;)
Most likely Vepr will be shelved, since the MoD has more important projects to spend their budget on.

There is also Vulcan, developed by the same company. It was shown to Hrytsenko when he was visiting 8th SF regiment, but he didn't show any clear interest from it.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5218/t9821223982821jpg300185na5dotjpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3640/t31721866679zo8dotjpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5816/t24611888028yg2dotjpg

During International Trade Fair "Arms and Security-2008" in Kyiv, Fort shoved T.A.R. 21, C.T.A.R. 21, and S.T.A.R. 21 (standard, compact and sharpshooter) versions. Lutsenko (Police Minister) said that he liked the weapon and will introduce it to police and I assume VV special units. He also said that he will recommend it to MoD.

MoD said in one interview that the cost of good new uniform was ~$100, while the current one is ~$20. So the regular troops will not receive new uniforms anytime soon. Only 1 SF regiment would be able to have new uniforms.


To be honest just an ordinary (modern) German flecktarn is getting more and more popular amoung operational army and SF units.
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5387/20081022170674901821143ju3dotjpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/386/20081022170674911828806yr8dotjpg

8th SF regiment

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/237/20081028172375751955076gz6dotjpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2883/20081028172375771969506mt3dotjpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9773/20081028172375761959131dq1dotjpg

Army cadets participate in chemical defense training in Kharkiv.
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/9544/20081028172675962505560yr7dotjpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5311/20081028172675982463334fg5dotjpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/142/20081028172675972468810wm2dotjpg
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/9803/20081028172675992458997wi9dotjpg

56th Helicopter Detachment in Liberia held helicopter firing exercises.

lightfire
10-28-2008, 01:59 PM
As I've said, from what I've heard Army is not interested to replace the current AKs, since they need to spend money elsewhere. Mainly for the Rapid Reaction forces and to maintain aging hardware.

But Vulcan ( Vepr and tavor had ***) seems quite nice.

Mormaeglin
10-28-2008, 03:02 PM
Most likely Vepr will be shelved, since the MoD has more important projects to spend their budget on.

There is also Vulcan, developed by the same company. It was shown to Hrytsenko when he was visiting 8th SF regiment, but he didn't show any clear interest from it.

During International Trade Fair "Arms and Security-2008" in Kyiv, Fort shoved T.A.R. 21, C.T.A.R. 21, and S.T.A.R. 21 (standard, compact and sharpshooter) versions. Lutsenko (Police Minister) said that he liked the weapon and will introduce it to police and I assume VV special units. He also said that he will recommend it to MoD.


So T.A.R has real chances, but I would like to see Vulcan adopted as it is produced by national manufacturer (supporting of national manufactureres is always welcome) and its specifications should be as good as those of T.A.R

Nevertheless, blagodarju for info! :)

Askold
10-29-2008, 04:58 AM
There is quite a variety of cammos used by Ukrainian special forces. While certain team favors flecktarn the other might go with regular army or multicam types. I also belive that it is actually encouraged to mix up the camo types for beter diversity. Here are some photos of Ukrainian special forces to illustrate my point:

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P001dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P002dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P003dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P004dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P005dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P006dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P007dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P008dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P009dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P010dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P011dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P012dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P013dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P014dotjpg

Askold
10-29-2008, 05:02 AM
http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P015dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P016dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P017dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P018dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P019dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P021dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P020dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P022dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P023dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P024dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P025dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P026dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P027dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P028dotjpg

Askold
10-29-2008, 05:11 AM
http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P030dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P031dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P032dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P033dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P034dotjpg

Multicam in use by Alpha A

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P035dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P036dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P037dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P038dotjpg

- Mix use of multicam, and hunting camo. Note the camouflaged sniper rifle.

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P039dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P040dotjpg

German flektarn

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P041dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P042dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P043dotjpg

American MARPAT

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P045dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P046dotjpg

Waffen SS Oak-B :)

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P047dotjpg

British type

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P048dotjpg

Askold
10-29-2008, 05:16 AM
http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P053dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P049dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P050dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P052dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P054dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P055dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P057dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P059dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P060dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P061dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P065dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P063dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P064dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P066dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P068dotjpg

Askold
10-29-2008, 05:21 AM
http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P062dotjpg

Multicam from head to toe, including the rifle. Note the special forces patch on the left.

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P069dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P070dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P071dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P072dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P074dotjpg

Another Marpat

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P075dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P076dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P077dotjpg

Never seen this camo pattern before. Probably some local variation

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P078dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P079dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P080dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P081dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/photo/big/P082dotjpg

Askold
10-29-2008, 05:30 AM
Some different patches used by internal troops:

Sluzhba Bezpeky Ukrainy - Section A

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/symbolism/ukraine/sby/management_a/big/1dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/symbolism/ukraine/sby/management_a/big/4dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/symbolism/ukraine/sby/management_a/big/5dotjpg

Internal troops "Berkut"

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/symbolism/ukraine/mvd/berkyt/big/5dotjpg

SOKIL:

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/symbolism/ukraine/mvd/sokol/big/10dotjpg

Internal troops in Crimea:

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/symbolism/ukraine/mvd/ngy-vv/big/1dotjpg
Sepecial unit "Shadow", Simferopil:

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/symbolism/ukraine/mvd/ngy-vv/big/5dotjpg
Spetznaz, Harkiv:

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/symbolism/ukraine/mvd/ngy-vv/big/45dotjpg

Counter-sniper unit:

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/symbolism/ukraine/other/big/3dotjpg

STURM, Kyiv:

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/symbolism/ukraine/other/big/1dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/symbolism/ukraine/other/big/4dotjpg

Askold
10-29-2008, 05:37 AM
Some examples of camouflaged weapons in use by special forces:

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/weapon/painting/big/poo2dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/weapon/painting/big/p003dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/weapon/painting/big/poo4dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/weapon/painting/big/p005dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/weapon/painting/big/p006dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/weapon/painting/big/p008dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/weapon/painting/big/p009dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/weapon/painting/big/p011dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/weapon/painting/big/p013dotjpg



http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/weapon/painting/big/p018dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/weapon/painting/big/p020dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/weapon/painting/big/p022dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/weapon/painting/big/p024dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/weapon/painting/big/p019dotjpg

Askold
10-29-2008, 05:44 AM
Some examples of camouflaged weapons in use:

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/publication/painting/p026dotjpg


http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/publication/painting/p005dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/publication/painting/p020dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/publication/painting/p021dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/publication/painting/p023dotjpg



http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/publication/painting/p030dotjpg

http://krashevsky-sf.com/images/publication/painting/p036dotjpg

~~~~
10-29-2008, 06:08 AM
wow, impressive.

Switek
10-29-2008, 06:13 AM
Very intereting set of pics. Thanks Askold for sharing them.

Bird_of_prey
10-29-2008, 06:57 AM
Cool pics, tnx a lot, man! Never heard of those guys using AUG`s and M4`s though :cantbeli:

Mormaeglin
10-29-2008, 07:07 AM
Blagodarju!!!

Askold
10-29-2008, 03:28 PM
Thanks guys, I'm glad you like them.

Askold
10-29-2008, 03:38 PM
Pics from 2006 Spetznaz anti-terrorist exerscises "Legion 11" in Crimea:

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/krym2006/1dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/krym2006/4dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/krym2006/7dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/krym2006/19dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/krym2006/22dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/krym2006/29dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/krym2006/31dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/krym2006/32dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/krym2006/37dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/krym2006/34dotjpg

Askold
10-29-2008, 03:43 PM
General anti-terrorist exerscixes held in Yalta 2007.

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/yalta032007/01dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/yalta032007/5dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/yalta032007/7dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/yalta032007/8dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/yalta032007/10dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/yalta032007/11dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/yalta032007/12dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/yalta032007/22dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/yalta032007/23dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/yalta032007/19dotjpg

Askold
10-29-2008, 03:58 PM
Sniper competitions. Ukrainian team is completely outfitted with multicam, including the helmet covers:

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/csn092008/4dotjpg

http://www.bratishka.ru/gallery/csn092008/5dotjpg

They are also wearing a new uniform pattern developed for general military use but so far only used by the special forces.

NESTOR MAXNO
11-01-2008, 04:05 PM
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1663/10fp5dotjpg
Ukrainian army use British mk6 helmets?

Askold
11-01-2008, 04:18 PM
Not likely. The current model to replace the old style helmets is kevlar M-1.

Ceriy
11-04-2008, 12:03 AM
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1663/10fp5dotjpg
Ukrainian army use British mk6 helmets?

That photo is from a joint British-Polish-Ukrainian exercise.

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/7954/20081103174276958831024gf5dotjpg
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/8821/20081103174276968826970ft8dotjpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/2260/20081103174276948834305ma0dotjpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8061/20081103174276938839497wy7dotjpg

First graduating class of Airmobile Forces Lieutenant attend their graduation ceremony at the Lviv Institute of Land Forces
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/3166/20081103174376989585332sz0dotjpg
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3958/20081103174376999596501dq6dotjpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2600/20081103174377001672316hv0dotjpg
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/705/20081103174377011676885sg5dotjpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5695/20081103174377021681646mo4dotjpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8074/20081103174377031816606cu9dotjpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3931/20081103174377051822588qv2dotjpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6079/20081103174377041852576nl4dotjpg

New conscripts from the 80th Airmobile Regiment and Military Police Unit from Southern Operational Command give their military oath.

Ceriy
11-04-2008, 12:48 PM
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7615/20081104174477127189590gb8dotjpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7678/20081104174477117194739zx1dotjpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2456/20081104174477107198430br0dotjpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7300/20081104174477097201946vu7dotjpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1752/20081104174477087219779pe5dotjpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4750/20081104174477077229890cz2dotjpg

Ukrainian Deputy Minister of Defense met with 7 officers who will depart for Afghanistan on November 5. Total number of Ukrainians in Afghanistan will be 10.

Jorez
11-05-2008, 04:31 AM
Ukrainian forces in Kosovo, many interesting photos
http://forum.glavred.info/viewtopic.php?t=4815

Mormaeglin
11-05-2008, 07:41 AM
They are also wearing a new uniform pattern developed for general military use but so far only used by the special forces.

How looks new pattern? i am terribly interested to see how it looks like :D btw, Ukrainian special forces look just astonishing, equipment, camos, camouflaged awtomaty are just awesome!

Dzakuju to You all!!!

Stonewall71
11-05-2008, 08:15 AM
how come they still use USSR's red banners?

I thought they hated everything from USSR (or is only the prez? p-) )

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/3166/20081103174376989585332sz0dotjpg

Ceriy
11-05-2008, 10:07 AM
how come they still use USSR's red banners?

I thought they hated everything from USSR (or is only the prez? p-) )
That is not a USSR banner.
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5979/bprapor1817237xh3dotjpg

CYXAPNK
11-05-2008, 10:32 AM
Yeah, red is a color of Soviet army, but crimson is a colour of cossacks and modern Ukrainian military.

Stonewall71
11-05-2008, 10:33 AM
upssss sorry looked like red in the pic :|

Ceriy
11-05-2008, 01:16 PM
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9596/20081105174777170847292om6dotjpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5633/20081105174777180852852dd6dotjpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7974/20081105174777190857460xq7dotjpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9420/20081105174777200862972ke6dotjpg

4th year Artillery cadets practice firing from BM-21 'Grad' on Yavoriv Combined Arms Training Range.
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9483/20081105174677161382202yt6dotjpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/9671/20081105174677151396873nc7dotjpg

Engineers leave for their base after finishing cleaning and rebuilding the area near village Marynychi Chernitsi Oblast.

aze00001
11-07-2008, 04:52 AM
does Ukraine capable of manufacturing Mİ-24 helicopters or SU jets ?

Bolt
11-07-2008, 12:34 PM
I have a question about Ukrainian Marines (particularly those who are based in Sevastopol). Are they considered as navy?
My cousin just became a conscript in this unit and he told (very briefly) that he is going to serve for 1.5 years. Which is weird as I always thought that marines are considered as elite version, but still infatry.

CYXAPNK
11-07-2008, 12:45 PM
I know that Marines have both conscripts and contractors.

Bolt
11-07-2008, 12:48 PM
No, he is a conscript alright, it's just I thought they serve 12 months as normal infantry, VDV etc.

Askold
11-11-2008, 03:16 AM
How looks new pattern? i am terribly interested to see how it looks like :D btw, Ukrainian special forces look just astonishing, equipment, camos, camouflaged awtomaty are just awesome!

Dzakuju to You all!!!

Thanks! The new cammo pattern (Ukrainian Flektarn) looks like a copy of Danish cammo - grassy-green with spots of black in it. I think its actually prety good, as it blends in prety nicely. Go back few pages in the thread and you'll find it.

Special forces are additionally developing new cammo patterns for themselves too based on the British pattern. Here are some of the examples (disregard the 70's looking dude :)

"Combant M-1":

http://sammler.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=517654

"Combant M-1" variation:
http://sammler.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=517657

"Mabuta" type:
http://sammler.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=517660

"Bars" carrier system:
http://sammler.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=517666

Askold
11-11-2008, 03:45 AM
A bit more of various SpetsNaz:

"Berkut" ready to chase the soccer hools
http://sammler.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=477911

Berkut
http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-411-1222864505dotjpg

"Berkut" with the back up of "Bars"
http://sammler.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=477885

SBU-A
http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-411-1222864107dotjpg

President checking out new equipment. Note US styled paratrooper helmet. On the far right you can see a bit of Ukrainian Flektarn (variation B)

http://sammler.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=493669

Yeah, roman-styled "Testudo" is back in fashion :)

http://sammler.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=493356

http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-411-1222691662dotjpg

http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-411-1222691910dotjpg

Head of Berkut in Simferopol, Sergei Abramov:

http://sammler.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=480414

http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-411-1222677261dotjpg

http://sammler.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=480421

http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-411-1222630501dotjpg

http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-411-1222550263dotjpg

http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-411-1222627050dotjpg

http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-411-1222629360dotjpg

"Berkut", a mixture of German Flektarn helmet covers and British based cammo:

http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-411-1222630072dotjpg

http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-411-1222677261dotjpg

http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-411-1222692666dotjpg

http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-411-1222682811dotjpg

http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-411-1222685531dotjpg

Ready move:

http://sammler.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=492894

Mormaeglin
11-11-2008, 04:27 AM
Dzakuju za fotki i info!! :)

savushka
11-11-2008, 05:39 AM
"Thanks! The new cammo pattern (Ukrainian Flektarn) looks like a copy of Danish cammo - grassy-green with spots of black in it. I think its actually prety good, as it blends in prety nicely. Go back few pages in the thread and you'll find it."


You're talking of http://spec-tac.com.ua/catalog/products_pictures/00045_1dotjpg this cammo pattern, right?
Well, it's not actually "Ukrainian", AFAIK.
http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/00216.php
It may be sewed by the Ukrainian STS company, but they themselves refer to it as to "Russian Rjaska", or sometimes - "flectar-d".
I just happen to own a suit like that p-) Great stuff, btw, well worth the money.

Ceriy
11-11-2008, 11:22 AM
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2430/20081111175477415220989hm5dotjpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2173/20081111175477445251254ib3dotjpg
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/9865/20081111175477425228029cx1dotjpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1160/20081111175477435244533cu3dotjpg

Ukrainian corvette U209 Ternopil leaves Sevastopol port for Naples, Italy to participate in Operation Active Endeavour.

Askold
11-11-2008, 03:32 PM
Great photos Ceriy. I think you can see the Long Mission badge (Znak za Dal'nij Pohid) on the third guy from the left.

Savushka: Thanks for clarifying it. I was actually thinking of getting the same pair of pants :)

http://spec-tac.com.ua/catalog/products_pictures/00045_1dotjpg

Askold
11-11-2008, 03:42 PM
New medal commemorating the 90 years of Ukrainian Naval Flag:

http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-410-1209532985dotjpg

http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-410-1209539540dotjpg

http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-410-1209548589dotjpg

savushka
11-11-2008, 04:38 PM
Don't mention it!

They are quite good indeed, the quality turned out to be above my expectations(although I did modify them a little after the purchase)
Just be prepared, that STS usually take quite longer then they promise with your orders ;)

Mormaeglin
11-12-2008, 02:38 PM
Great photos Ceriy. I think you can see the Long Mission badge (Znak za Dal'nij Pohid) on the third guy from the left.

Savushka: Thanks for clarifying it. I was actually thinking of getting the same pair of pants :)

http://spec-tac.com.ua/catalog/products_pictures/00045_1dotjpg

So I too want one ;) btw, is there a military shop selling it online? or I have to buy it from manufacturer?

miliali
11-17-2008, 07:32 PM
Nice photos

Ceriy
11-18-2008, 12:05 PM
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1566/20081118177078034027292ms4dotjpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2857/20081118177078014010708pv8dotjpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7238/20081118177078024015764zt9dotjpg

Marines prepare for their deployment to Kosovo for 12th rotation of Ukrainian half of POLUKRBAT in April 2009.

Ceriy
11-19-2008, 05:07 PM
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5950/20081119177278137059669ol4dotjpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2247/20081119177278127067055wh1dotjpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5791/20081119177278147071149cs1dotjpg
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8521/20081119177278157078469xa2dotjpg

Ukrainian Airforce brigade and regiments commanders during their 3 day meet in Vasylkiv Kyiv Oblast.

Mormaeglin
11-20-2008, 04:45 AM
Take a look on this camo, I have found it on internet auction. Seller wrote that it is winter camo komplekt (for officers?) from Ukraina. Colours are interesting and pattern is not clearly the one found on TcKO.

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/3/11/20/f_Ukrcamom_73216f4dotjpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/11/20/f_Ukrcamom_73216f4dotjpg&srv=img32)

CYXAPNK
11-20-2008, 11:58 AM
Yeah, it may be made in Ukraine, but this really not army camo, hunter's or smth like this.

Jorez
11-28-2008, 06:08 AM
Ukrainian navy on black sea, interesting photos p-)

http://flot2017.com/ru/photos

Jorez
12-02-2008, 07:02 AM
ukrainian flagship "Hetman Saghaidachny" p-)
http://flot2017.com/ru/photos/901

SR25
12-02-2008, 07:12 AM
Internal troops exercises in Crimea:

http://i35.*******.com/24pcsvmdotjpg

http://i38.*******.com/r1yg07dotjpg

http://i33.*******.com/6yh649dotjpg

http://i33.*******.com/2dag30ldotjpg

Askold
12-02-2008, 12:58 PM
Great photos SR25! Here's an interesting pic - American Ukrainian pilots in Vietnam War. On October 16, 1965, 41 young pilots graduates from airbase Webb in Texas in class 66-C. During the training they would call themselves "The Flying Cossacks" . The unit emblem was a red Trident on the black field designed by one of the pilots, Steven Olek .

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_890pS8vr5vI/SOeqhLHPhrI/AAAAAAAAD-Y/5FAzNHoUQug/s1600/img103dotjpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_890pS8vr5vI/SOeqhLHPhrI/AAAAAAAAD-Y/5FAzNHoUQug/s1600/img103dotjpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_890pS8vr5vI/SOeqhLHPhrI/AAAAAAAAD-Y/5FAzNHoUQug/s1600/img103dotjpg

VK-SF
12-02-2008, 04:17 PM
Dear Askold!
As i can see, You're wery knowledgeble of ukrainian SF units. So, please, tell me: who are these?

VK-SF
12-02-2008, 06:03 PM
As for ukrainian Army in general, and SF in particular, it's impossible to look on them without breaking out into tears. The pistols where manufactured many years before their today owners were born (50's-60's issues). There is no good uniform, and good gear at all!!! What's has been shown on the pictures are single samples of experimental uniforms, offered by private companies or those that have featured in "shows".
Some more details:

http://sammler.ru/index.php?showtopic=47191&st=0

http://sammler.ru/index.php?showtopic=23516&st=0


For all the time after getting Ukraine independent, there was no one special purpose weapon system developed, except FORT, which quality is open to question. All the other weapons Ukraine inherited from USSR, and are being used up to this moment.
Also Ukraine received 4 GRU brigades, but have already successfully destroyed them.
The only unit, that more or less equipped, is "A" SBU, but still their new uniform, for to be exact - multicam, manufactured by the Dominican Republic, 65% poliester, 35% cotton (cold in winter, worm in summer), they received only six monthes ago!!! Till this moment officers participated in international snyper contests dressed in uniform, bought from "second hand" by their own money!!!
More than this, there are many young specialists, that leaving their units due to small pay (300-400 USD), unclear policies concerning leaving accommodation, pension age and lot of others.
In the "Ukrainian Armed Forces" section posted many nice pictures of aviation, but is there someone here that could designate to me the number of battle-worthy machines and the required number of flight hours for the pilots?
I recently have visited the former Soviet testing ground for Mi and Ka helicopters in Feodosia. All, that remained from base with 36 different types, were 3 Mi-8, two of them were sent to Bulgary for firefighting, but they could not return because of unproper registrated documentation.
Or, may be, there is someone who can tell me, if there is any ukrainian SF unit, that has it's ow'n helicopter? I can tell you: certainly, not!
I''ll be able to believe in ukrainian SF power only after the Government will turn it's face to SF, and not before the warriors will stop using cheap building gloves and spectacles.
With respect, Vladimir

Bigbear
12-02-2008, 06:21 PM
.... like Georgian forses before August :))

Askold
12-02-2008, 07:48 PM
Hi Victor, if anyone would know better about Ukrainian SF troops that would be you :) My knowledge is very limited.

SilentType
12-02-2008, 11:37 PM
How involved is NATO right now in helping the Ukraine modernize their military? Is there like a visible presence by NATO advisors and western military industry?

SR25
12-03-2008, 05:21 AM
Great photos SR25! Here's an interesting pic - American Ukrainian pilots in Vietnam War. On October 16, 1965, 41 young pilots graduates from airbase Webb in Texas in class 66-C. During the training they would call themselves "The Flying Cossacks" . The unit emblem was a red Trident on the black field designed by one of the pilots, Steven Olek .

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_890pS8vr5vI/SOeqhLHPhrI/AAAAAAAAD-Y/5FAzNHoUQug/s1600/img103dotjpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_890pS8vr5vI/SOeqhLHPhrI/AAAAAAAAD-Y/5FAzNHoUQug/s1600/img103dotjpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_890pS8vr5vI/SOeqhLHPhrI/AAAAAAAAD-Y/5FAzNHoUQug/s1600/img103dotjpg

Thanks Askold!
Sry dude, that picture is unavailable :(

SR25
12-03-2008, 05:57 AM
How involved is NATO right now in helping the Ukraine modernize their military? Is there like a visible presence by NATO advisors and western military industry?

Larger amount Ukrainian offices frequently undergo training in NATO countries, SFs are cooperating with with western countries far more than they used to.
But you see, the whole trick is that although Ukrainian economy cannot pour huge amount of money into the armed forces (unfortunatelly), and all the corresponding programs, funds which are allocated are fairly sufficient for a not very big but noticable incremental improvements.
It is down to politics at this point.

Mormaeglin
12-03-2008, 07:50 AM
In my opinion army of Ukraina represents high level, and as You say improvements are sill underway. Besides Ukraina is know for manufacturing very good mili-tech especially if concerning radars and tanks.

VK-SF
12-03-2008, 08:48 AM
.... like Georgian forses before August :))
In weach way Georgia connected to this issue?
The fact that Presidents of Ukraine and Georgia "found each other",does not mean that ukrainian people support this friendship... But it is pretty clear that both of "revolutions" ran according tothe same scenario, and were financed by the same source....
All the people have to work off for on person's debt.

VK-SF
12-03-2008, 08:49 AM
How involved is NATO right now in helping the Ukraine modernize their military? Is there like a visible presence by NATO advisors and western military industry?
NATO participates by his best - money.After every such help somebody starts to build a newe house, or buys a new car. For itself, of course, not for the army. :-(

tommy00
12-03-2008, 09:00 AM
But it is pretty clear that both of "revolutions" ran according tothe same scenario, and were financed by the same source..

Great,...another "conspiracytheorist".....it's all CIA, Soros, Bush,....take your pic..k

Mormaeglin
12-03-2008, 09:17 AM
With all regards Tommy, VK has right, We all know what is going on (who supports who and why + who creates provocations or stirs between countries) but nobody would say it in public, and if he will do so, somebody will label him as conspiracy theorist. One such powers likes to play with fire (and almost everytime runs without being caught red handed) to gain as much control as possible and derail other powers by making everyone against them. It is only country that can declare war on someone and get worldwide support by labeling situation as "war with terror".

VK-SF
12-03-2008, 10:58 AM
Great,...another "conspiracytheorist".....it's all CIA, Soros, Bush,....take your pic..k
I always have felt envious of naive people.Their life is good, without any problems...

Jorez
12-04-2008, 03:56 AM
heavy cruiser "Ukraine" photos inside p-)
http://forum.glavred.info/viewtopic.php?t=5373&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90

SR25
12-04-2008, 06:53 AM
VK-SF (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=61463), you are entering a very dangerous territory throwing political stuff on the videos and photos only forums. Apart from that you just copied loads of BS from Russian forums and present it as some sort of point of view. Then you are calling other people naive...

VK-SF
12-04-2008, 07:09 AM
VK-SF (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=61463), you are entering a very dangerous territory throwing political stuff on the videos and photos only forums. Apart from that you just copied loads of BS from Russian forums and present it as some sort of point of view. Then you are calling other people naive...
It's my photos and my personally opinion!!!

Mormaeglin
12-04-2008, 07:11 AM
Bratja, lets turn the heat down, I am sorry for writing what I wrote anyways, as I started too running into politics.

SR25
12-04-2008, 07:19 AM
VK-SF (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=61463), dude, keep politics out of here. I also have loads of opinions.

VK-SF
12-04-2008, 08:35 AM
VK-SF (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=61463), dude, keep politics out of here. I also have loads of opinions.
OK.....OK.....

My new art:
"A"SBU

Mormaeglin
12-04-2008, 11:36 AM
VF, as a person who also draws, belive me, I am under impression! :)

_GDS_
12-04-2008, 12:06 PM
heavy cruiser "Ukraine" photos inside p-)
http://forum.glavred.info/viewtopic.php?t=5373&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90

Wow! Thanks for photos.
I expected that this Cruiser is in shape of Scrap-metal, exterior and interior...But I was wrog, while the exterior looks rusted, the interior is in good shape!

bogdan45
12-04-2008, 03:06 PM
OK.....OK.....

My new art:
"A"SBU
Left man is gay?)
Look at his left hand)

Mormaeglin
12-04-2008, 06:02 PM
Hahaha, You know how it is on war, or was among spartans tipa etogo ;)

Jorez
12-05-2008, 03:18 AM
Wow! Thanks for photos.

Not at all

Baron Harkonnen
12-08-2008, 04:38 PM
Heavy Infantry Fighting Vehicle (HIFV) of the type (BMPV-64)
http://btvt.narod.ru/3_eng/BMPV64/BMPV64_eng.htm

cbiwv
12-08-2008, 08:07 PM
Are Ukrainians and Russians that much different? It seems they are pretty much the same bloodlines.

shoora
12-08-2008, 09:25 PM
Are Ukrainians and Russians that much different? It seems they are pretty much the same bloodlines.
There no such things as ukrainans. They all russians. With some blend of turkish, hungarian, romanian, austrian (depend on which part of "country" are we talking about) and polish blood and mentality.
Nation "ukrainians" and ukrainian nationalism was invented not so long time ago - about 200 years ago, in austro-hungaria. Story of word "ukraine" even darker and younger. Until last 100 years, locals calld themselfs russians. Word "ukrainan/okrainets" ment habitant of Okraina (sounds wery close to ukraine). Which is only small part of modern state ukraine. Other parts was Malorossia, Slobozhanshina, Novorossia etc. Farmers in these regions spoke local dialects of russian or (in western parts) mix of old russian with polish. Urban areas all spoke almost perfect Russian.

After 1921 bolshevism, in name of "international friendship" propaganda, gave huge boost to idea of "great ukraine". It combined republic from many parts, drawn borders, created unified ukrainan language based on poltava village dialect. Added some rip offs from eastern european countiries (Lww, Galicia-Volhynia etc.) and, later, Crimea.

Ukrainian, used to be, is more like village exotics wonder then language to linguists. It's very poor. Of course, tons of nouns missed in village language. Communists, promouting 'ukrainan' language as state for U(krainian)SSR, naturally used variants of russian nouns. This approach is imcompatible with nationalistic ideology of UA. And now they accepted Galician dialect, which is closer to polish but (what's much more important!) uses fewer russian words. Linguistic sititutes working hard inventing new noun every day. Certainly with national folkloric colorite. People LOL after evry single word.
In private conversation people prefered over state 'mova' russian or 'surzhik'. Surzhik is, basically, russian polluted with sounding funny ukrainian village verbs and nouns.

So, despite all propaganda stuff, this state is nothing more than artificial product of geopolitics plus ambitions of local "elite".

p.s. just to avoid political discussions - I DO NOT WATCH TV, I carefully read on Internet CNN, BBC, some Russian newspapers ('state controlled', of course! :-). All of above I found very biased. For me, all state controlled ukrainian media (not to mention nationalistically concerned - 'svidomi' media) as unacceptable for "digestion". My ancestors (grand-grand-father) came from Lwow and spoke Polish, I assume. My parent, grand parents and relatives spoke russian and those, who lived in villages, spoke ukrainian village dialects of Kiev's region, Ternopol' region and Ivanovo-Frankovsk region's accordingly to their habitat. I communicate with people of many nations and can say, there is no significant difference in mentality between russians and 'ukrainians'.

cbiwv
12-08-2008, 10:19 PM
There no such things as ukrainans. They all russians. With some blend of turkish, hungarian, romanian, austrian (depend on which part of "country" are we talking about) and polish blood and mentality.
Nation "ukrainians" and ukrainian nationalism was invented not so long time ago - about 200 years ago, in austro-hungaria. Story of word "ukraine" even darker and younger. Until last 100 years, locals calld themselfs russians. Word "ukrainan/okrainets" ment habitant of Okraina (sounds wery close to ukraine). Which is only small part of modern state ukraine. Other parts was Malorossia, Slobozhanshina, Novorossia etc. Farmers in these regions spoke local dialects of russian or (in western parts) mix of old russian with polish. Urban areas all spoke almost perfect Russian.

After 1921 bolshevism, in name of "international friendship" propaganda, gave huge boost to idea of "great ukraine". It combined republic from many parts, drawn borders, created unified ukrainan language based on poltava village dialect. Added some rip offs from eastern european countiries (Lww, Galicia-Volhynia etc.) and, later, Crimea.

Ukrainian, used to be, is more like village exotics wonder then language to linguists. It's very poor. Of course, tons of nouns missed in village language. Communists, promouting 'ukrainan' language as state for U(krainian)SSR, naturally used variants of russian nouns. This approach is imcompatible with nationalistic ideology of UA. And now they accepted Galician dialect, which is closer to polish but (what's much more important!) uses fewer russian words. Linguistic sititutes working hard inventing new noun every day. Certainly with national folkloric colorite. People LOL after evry single word.
In private conversation people prefered over state 'mova' russian or 'surzhik'. Surzhik is, basically, russian polluted with sounding funny ukrainian village verbs and nouns.

So, despite all propaganda stuff, this state is nothing more than artificial product of geopolitics plus ambitions of local "elite".

p.s. just to avoid political discussions - I DO NOT WATCH TV, I carefully read on Internet CNN, BBC, some Russian newspapers ('state controlled', of course! :-). All of above I found very biased. For me, all state controlled ukrainian media (not to mention nationalistically concerned - 'svidomi' media) as unacceptable for "digestion". My ancestors (grand-grand-father) came from Lwow and spoke Polish, I assume. My parent, grand parents and relatives spoke russian and those, who lived in villages, spoke ukrainian village dialects of Kiev's region, Ternopol' region and Ivanovo-Frankovsk region's accordingly to their habitat. I communicate with people of many nations and can say, there is no significant difference in mentality between russians and 'ukrainians'.

Thanks for explaining that. That's pretty much what I have been told by other Russians.

Bird_of_prey
12-09-2008, 06:58 AM
Jesus f... Christ... here it goes again... Aren`t you guys tired of this ****? If you keep discussing who`s got the biggest **** - ukrainians or russians - and whether there is such nation as ukrainians at all, this thread will end up in a trash bin. There is such country as Ukraine, member of UN since 1945, anknowledged by at least 166 coutries, so just go with it! Don`t let the stupidity of some political leaders (if i may reffer to ukrainian politicians as "leaders", `cause actually they`re not) lead us to tensions :hug: And keep posting those nice pics!:)

cbiwv
12-09-2008, 10:57 AM
Jesus f... Christ... here it goes again... Aren`t you guys tired of this ****? If you keep discussing who`s got the biggest **** - ukrainians or russians - and whether there is such nation as ukrainians at all, this thread will end up in a trash bin. There is such country as Ukraine, member of UN since 1945, anknowledged by at least 166 coutries, so just go with it! Don`t let the stupidity of some political leaders (if i may reffer to ukrainian politicians as "leaders", `cause actually they`re not) lead us to tensions :hug: And keep posting those nice pics!:)

I asked a serious question.Watch your language.

Bird_of_prey
12-09-2008, 12:02 PM
Man, i don`t see how my language offended you. Neither did i mean to do it. Now, regarding your serious question: yes, we are pretty much the same bloodlines with the russians, we also share a big part of our history. But hey, making your opinion about Ukraine, it`s culture, language and history form what you`ve heard from "other russians" is just ridiculous, don`t you think so? It`s like asking an austrian to tell you what he thinks of Germany. And calling Ukraine an "artifical product"... well, according to you, shoora, such independent countries as Israel, Kazakhstan, Belorussia can also be considered "artifical products of geopolitics", or did i get you wrong? What would you propose them? Join some other country, which`s not a such "product"? `Cause that`s where we get to a certain collision - EACH and EVERY country is a product of geopolitics and ambitions of political leaders. So please, stay politically correct and think before posting provoking posts. Not to start another useless discussion here, you can allways PM me.

Hast2
12-09-2008, 12:11 PM
Guys, don't start this Russian-Ukrainian-Polish bull****, instead give us more of those awesome pictures:)

Bird_of_prey
12-09-2008, 12:32 PM
Found some on my HD:) Photos from a small museum, located right behind the National Defense Academy of Ukraine in Kiev (used to live nearby:))

1. A land-lease Sherman, hit by StuG-as of the SS-Division "Viking" near the town of Cherkassy
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=715&pictureid=8660

2. German PzKpfw III
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=715&pictureid=8662

3. Soviet IS-2
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=715&pictureid=8661

SR25
12-09-2008, 05:41 PM
I asked a serious question.Watch your language.

If you indeed genuinely accepted that retarded answer of shoora I feel really sorry for you. :slap:
Overall, STOP FCKN POLITICS AND HISTORY TALKs HERE.:bash:


To dilute this thread's page a little bit, here is the photo of the Ukrainian GUR SF I found some time ago on the web:

http://i36.*******.com/xof5medotjpg

Mormaeglin
12-09-2008, 06:13 PM
SR is right, lets get on topic! so Bratja I have question about two intersting designs of Fort that are now forgotten but in my opinion very intriguing, I am speaking about those two (I suppose designer was Tolkien or fantasy fan, hence the names ;) ) :

Very futuristic looking Goblin :
http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/3/12/9/f_goblinm_9b6f792dotjpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/12/9/f_goblinm_9b6f792dotjpg&srv=img03)

And more conventional Elf :

http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/3/12/9/f_elf2m_eae9b19dotjpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/12/9/f_elf2m_eae9b19dotjpg&srv=img33)

I like the idea of having spare mag in front folding grip, in some way it reminds me idea that was used in UD-42 and automatic CZ pistolet.

Ceriy
12-11-2008, 10:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/MzzgGdfsRaU&hl=en&fs=1

Marineshttp://www.youtube.com/v/rKxW9RxN3Xo&hl=en&fs=1

Mountain Infantry
Both videos were uploaded by zagrava. (http://militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=62472)

zagrava
12-12-2008, 07:44 PM
Ukrainian tank Oplot
62609

Mormaeglin
12-12-2008, 07:47 PM
Welcome on board! :)

zagrava
12-12-2008, 07:59 PM
No. They are ukrainians. VK-SF is real author photos.

Minotauro1
12-12-2008, 08:46 PM
So I've heard Ukraine will get 10 more new T-84 Oplot tanks next year. Those will go for the RRF, another 10 as we can see are the Bulats.

BTW, I've heard sad news that ukrainian army does not need Vepr bulpup rifle. It's been tested, but there are no plans to mass produce it.

New tanks? they can't even feed the army, where will they get money to buy new tanks?.

Mormaeglin
12-13-2008, 05:05 AM
With such attitude I do not see bright future before You on forum. Welcome on board but next time You write write basing on facts and wih different attitude.

Minotauro1
12-13-2008, 08:48 AM
With such attitude I do not see bright future before You on forum. Welcome on board but next time You write write basing on facts and wih different attitude.


Haha, it is based on facts, I was born in Krivoy Rog Ukraine, but Russian by nationality, I have NTV and NTV+ russian channels via dishnetwork, about 2 month ago the Ukrainian defense minister gave a speech to the duma saying the millitary would run out of money to feed the army by November of this year if there were no more funds allocated towards acquiring food.

So yeah my comment is backed by fact and personal knowledge of the current condition of the Ukrainian millitary, in fact the notion of Ukraine joining Nato is simply comical considering its no secret about how demoralized and poor the Army is in Ukraine. You don't have to look far to see the truth, inflation is going through the roof, food prices are on par with the United States yet personal income is also comical, the government steals money by the millions yet they are depicted as a beacon of democracy by the west and yet most American members on this forum think Ukraine would be a good addition to NATO. I guess its easy to market 100% pure propaganda considering no one in America will ever get direct information either from Ukrainian/Russian media or the people of Ukraine.

BTW, I've been viewing this forum for a while now, I'm well aware of the general consensus here on " trolls " and how the forum is has it's pro Russian and Pro west posters, but please don't confuse my facts with the dis-information you receive by western media, I for one am in a privileged position to analyze information from both sides.

zagrava
12-13-2008, 09:00 AM
special for Minotauro1
http://www.unian.net/ukr/news/news-284995.html
10 tanks "Oplots" now are testing in Harkiv. "Oplots" will based in Kryviy Rih. So, Minotauro1 may see its in future.

An-ti-pod
12-13-2008, 12:38 PM
special for Minotauro1
http://www.unian.net/ukr/news/news-284995.html
10 tanks "Oplots" now are testing in Harkiv. "Oplots" will based in Kryviy Rih. So, Minotauro1 may see its in future.
http://www.morozov.com.ua/images/t84-14ldotjpg
http://www.tankinfo.ru/Country/Ukraina/images/Oplotdotpng
http://novaya.com.ua/images/o-00000429-n-00000074dotjpghttp://www.aratta-ukraine.com/newsua/06102801dotjpg

An-ti-pod
12-13-2008, 12:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIBFwEhDEfg

VK-SF
12-13-2008, 12:58 PM
No. They are ukrainians. VK-SF is real author photos.
roflroflrofl

Mormaeglin
12-13-2008, 12:59 PM
VK, kak wsiegda fotki - klass! :) (Like always photos are great!)

Ceriy
12-13-2008, 01:04 PM
Haha, it is based on facts, I was born in Krivoy Rog Ukraine, but Russian by nationality, I have NTV and NTV+ russian channels via dishnetwork, about 2 month ago the Ukrainian defense minister gave a speech to the duma saying the millitary would run out of money to feed the army by November of this year if there were no more funds allocated towards acquiring food.

If the government would care about its military this wouldn't have happened. MoD has asked for increase of the defense budget more than once.


Welcome to the forums zagrava.

zagrava
12-13-2008, 01:05 PM
:cantbeli:

zagrava
12-13-2008, 01:08 PM
roflroflrofl
Sorry, I thinked that all photos on yours site about ukrainian SF.:cantbeli:

VK-SF
12-13-2008, 01:10 PM
:cantbeli:
Sorry, I thinked that all photos on yours site about ukrainian SF.
Ok my friend!ukrainian SF:)
ALPHA :

Mormaeglin
12-13-2008, 01:16 PM
An-ti-pod & Zagrava welcome ! :)

zagrava
12-13-2008, 01:16 PM
VK-SF,
Whether you know something about a presence in Ukrainian SF VSS "Vintorez"?

An-ti-pod
12-13-2008, 01:23 PM
An-ti-pod & Zagrava welcome ! :)
djakuju!:hug:

VK-SF
12-13-2008, 03:03 PM
VK-SF,
Whether you know something about a presence in Ukrainian SF VSS "Vintorez"?
"Vintorez" in Ukrainian"A"SBU:

zagrava
12-13-2008, 03:16 PM
ok, VK
thank you

zagrava
12-13-2008, 04:20 PM
For your attention my small videoclip about ukrainian Alpha's dogs
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=a_P5R3h_KQM

zagrava
12-13-2008, 04:31 PM
I cant atach videoclip from youtube to the post. Do you know why?

Minotauro1
12-13-2008, 07:40 PM
special for Minotauro1
http://www.unian.net/ukr/news/news-284995.html
10 tanks "Oplots" now are testing in Harkiv. "Oplots" will based in Kryviy Rih. So, Minotauro1 may see its in future.

Ochen samnivayus shto eti tanki pastupat v sluzhbu, yushenko nemozhet smeritsa s timoshenko, a ministerstva oboroni karmani dengami zabivaut.

Minotauro1
12-13-2008, 07:44 PM
If the government would care about its military this wouldn't have happened. MoD has asked for increase of the defense budget more than once.


Welcome to the forums zagrava.

It's not just that, its the fundamental corruption that's rampant in Ukraine, the people were given freedom after the SU collapsed and they ran wild like a bunch of wild animals.

It's amazing how the government can't even fix or rebuild basic infer structure yet they are acquiring new tanks?, what good are the tanks when the very people they are built to defend are breaking down morally and physically due to years of corruption and neglect. Besides who are these tanks supposed to fight? Russia? as if the Ukrainian forces would ever fight Russians, these tanks will end up being sold to georgia.

zagrava
12-14-2008, 06:54 AM
Ochen samnivayus shto eti tanki pastupat v sluzhbu, yushenko nemozhet smeritsa s timoshenko, a ministerstva oboroni karmani dengami zabivaut.
56 Bulatov zhe postupilo. Oploty zalozheny v budzhet.

DRA
12-14-2008, 12:42 PM
56 Bulatov zhe postupilo. Oploty zalozheny v budzhet.
Nope, 17 modified T64s and that is it for now. Malyshev is still waiting on the money...

zagrava
12-14-2008, 05:09 PM
Nope, 17 modified T64s and that is it for now. Malyshev is still waiting on the money...
Sorry, but your are lying. Now in 1 tanks brigade there are 56 Bulats. The last 20 tanks arrived on 27 november.
http://www.unian.net/ukr/news/news-287357.html
On 5 october 10 tanks arrived.
http://www.unian.net/ukr/news/news-276729.html

zagrava
12-16-2008, 08:53 AM
Projects of ukrainaian SF-uniforms
62791

Mormaeglin
12-16-2008, 11:50 AM
Zagrava dakuju za fotki of soldaty in various camo uniforms!

KoTeMoRe
12-16-2008, 11:56 AM
Ukrainian tank Oplot
62609

Isn't this the Yatagan... turret bustle under the tarp, looks like the STANAG version of the OPLOT.

shoora
12-16-2008, 04:56 PM
I there somebody's itching to test ukrainian forces in action? http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=47.739323,32.563477&spn=10.064176,26.938477&z=6 This time Romania (with Moldova) and Belorussia included as well.

Rotterdam1953
12-17-2008, 06:51 AM
Could anyone please post a picture of the Ukrainian "Sphera" helmet or direct me to a site/forum where I can find one. It would be much appreciated.
I recently bought a "Sphera" that does not quite look like the pictures I have seen of the usual Russian ones and someone suggested that it might be Ukrainian.
Thank you in advance :-)

VK-SF
12-17-2008, 10:57 AM
Could anyone please post a picture of the Ukrainian "Sphera" helmet or direct me to a site/forum where I can find one. It would be much appreciated.
I recently bought a "Sphera" that does not quite look like the pictures I have seen of the usual Russian ones and someone suggested that it might be Ukrainian.
Thank you in advance :-)
Ukrainian "Sphera" and "Kaska 1M" helmets:

Rotterdam1953
12-17-2008, 11:02 AM
Ukrainian "Sphera" and "Kaska 1M" helmets:

Thank you very much indeed :-)

shoora
12-18-2008, 05:42 AM
Ukrainian "Sphera" and "Kaska 1M" helmets:
The guy in helmet got from his mother stereotype face of soviet army praporshik (ensign):) BTW, many of them from ukraine.

http://uniformius.ru/index/world_news/w_n_2007/news_01_10/news_01_10_04dotjpg
Too bad for him, it would be difficult to sell stolen helmets on black market.rofl(Most or army jokes is about praporshik's kleptomania)
http://caricatura.ru/parad/ufer/pic/4305dotjpg
and humor...
http://caricatura.ru/parad/samsonov/pic/2875dotjpg
"boots must be polished to shine like cats ********s".

Jorez
12-19-2008, 04:51 AM
"Konstantyn Olshansky" many photos p-)
http://flot2017.com/ru/photos/1341

shoora
12-19-2008, 05:49 PM
Submarine Zaporizhzha - the only submarine ukrainian navi have.
It is, actually, dead welded to the pier. We can be sure this monument will not escape to junk yard.
http://i.podrobnosti.ua/upload/news/2007/03/07/403922_3dotjpg
http://www.og.com.ua/images/993dotjpg
http://flot.sevastopol.info/photos/photo_vmsu/zaporozhye_01dotjpg

~~~~
12-19-2008, 10:56 PM
Submarine Zaporizhzha - the only submarine ukrainian navi have.
It is, actually, dead welded to the pier. We can be sure this monument will not escape to junk yard.
http://flot.sevastopol.info/photos/photo_vmsu/zaporozhye_01dotjpg

so what's the sub on the left of the picture?

shoora
12-20-2008, 03:00 AM
so what's the sub on the left of the picture?
Ukraine assume city of Sevastopol is ukrainian teritory. So, Russian and ukrainian navi share Sevastopol bay and piers.
I think this is Russian Varshabyanka (Kilo). It is unlikely Russian Navi have nuclear submarines in Sevastopol.
Due to insufficient funding ukrainian half of Soviet Black Sea Fleet degraded dramatically. Russian half was also not properly maintained, but generally in much better shape.
Recent years ukraine started funding reconstruction of Zaporizhzha. Sure, because of militaristic ambitions of pResident UShenko.
Personally, I think it's stupid and crazy to throw money on reconstuction of Foxtrot class submarine, which is obsolete. Cost might be even higher then cost of new Kilo or Lada.

zagrava
12-21-2008, 03:43 PM
Ukrainian An-70 is a next-generation four-engine medium-distance transport aircraft.
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/RbG1HPDoN1Y&hl=ru&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/RbG1HPDoN1Y&hl=ru&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=RbG1HPDoN1Y

shoora
12-22-2008, 02:26 PM
Ukrainian An-70 is a next-generation four-engine medium-distance transport aircraft.
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/RbG1HPDoN1Y&hl=ru&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/RbG1HPDoN1Y&hl=ru&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=RbG1HPDoN1Y
Too bad the project is de facto dead. Victim of politics.

zagrava
12-22-2008, 03:51 PM
Oh, no my dear friend. This project is OK. This is last week video. Tests of this aircraft are proceed. Tests will completed in 2010. And there are 2 An-70 constructed in Kiev now special for Ukrainian army.

~~~~
12-22-2008, 03:53 PM
Ukraine assume city of Sevastopol is ukrainian teritory. So, Russian and ukrainian navi share Sevastopol bay and piers.
I think this is Russian Varshabyanka (Kilo). It is unlikely Russian Navi have nuclear submarines in Sevastopol.
Due to insufficient funding ukrainian half of Soviet Black Sea Fleet degraded dramatically. Russian half was also not properly maintained, but generally in much better shape.
Recent years ukraine started funding reconstruction of Zaporizhzha. Sure, because of militaristic ambitions of pResident UShenko.
Personally, I think it's stupid and crazy to throw money on reconstuction of Foxtrot class submarine, which is obsolete. Cost might be even higher then cost of new Kilo or Lada.



thanks for the answer :-)

Askold
12-23-2008, 12:38 AM
Police Day celebrations in Kyiv:

http://www.phl.ua/files/2008/12/20/34491/274509_largedotJPG

http://www.phl.ua/files/2008/12/20/34491/274510_largedotJPG

Germany presented Ukrainian internal troops with anti-riot equipment to be used during Euro 2012

http://www.phl.ua/files/2008/12/15/34330/272769_largedotJPG

http://www.phl.ua/files/2008/12/15/34330/272771_largedotJPG

http://www.phl.ua/files/2008/12/15/34330/272779_largedotJPG

P.S. Another troll on the forum? :bash:


shoora:

Ukraine assume city of Sevastopol is ukrainian teritory

pResident UShenko.

There no such things as ukrainans.

JBH22
12-23-2008, 12:46 AM
someone clarify this for me ANTONOv is it a ukrainian or russian firm?

Bolt
12-23-2008, 03:23 AM
It's Ukrainian

shoora
12-23-2008, 05:42 AM
someone clarify this for me ANTONOv is it a ukrainian or russian firm?
Design bureau located in Kiev, Ukrainian SSR/Ukraine. Aircraft AFAIK was build in Kiev, Kharkov (Ukraine), Ulyanovsk(Russia) and Samara(Russia). Kharkov plant built Cheburashkas and similiar aircrafts. There no sights of life in this factory for last 15 years. I think factory in Kiev have some work to do. I have no info about Russian plants.
In a time of Soviet Union this design bureau created world famous huge airplanes An-124 Ruslan and its bigger version - An-225 Mria (Dream in Ukrainan). An-225 is by some measures the largest airplane ever built.
There plenty of other great Antonov's aircraft served very well and will serve many more years to come!
So to An-70. Ukrainian army announced plans to by 2 or 5 An-70. As soon as craft will be ready, Chinese will start making clones. Hopefully, they'll pay some royalties.

shoora
12-23-2008, 06:08 AM
P.S. Another troll on the forum? :bash:
As a citizen of Ukraine (and recognized as native Ukrainian) I have any rights to express my opinion. president ushenko is very convenient figure for 100% corrupt political system of Ukraine. While he is in power, ukrainian tycoons have all means to legalize their money abroad. And certainly he is the best for his sovereign. Although it might looks like pluralism is very strong in Ukraine right now, situation is worse then before 2004. I hope you can understand why I have reasons to make this statement.
About territorial disputes - ushenko and his ObKom said that. Not Russia!
In a mean time Romania trying to get back tiny little piece of ukrainian territory. We'll see...
P.S. My nephew is in military hospital in a city at exactly this moment. He's caught cold in military barrack because they have no heaters. In a city, because medical branch in their military base have no heating also. Military base have no traces of tanks or fighter jets, as they used to have. Officers almost as many as soldiers. Tell me about "Ukrainan army STRRRONG!!!".

shoora
12-23-2008, 06:50 AM
http://www.airforce.ru/aircraft/tupolev/tu-160/book/tu-160_24dotjpg
Destruction of supersonic strategic bomber Tu-160 White Swan under supervision and with and equipment of fellow American friends.
Closest, but slightly weaker, counterpart is B-1 Lancer.
Demolition of one best in the world to date strategic bomber (estmated cost $300-400 million) is real bargain - only $1 million of the American tax payers money. BTW, paid in cash...p-)
The last one has been destroyed Feb 2nd 2001. One more is in disabled state is on display in Poltava airforce museum.
Total of 10 has been destroyed. Eight handed over to Russian in exchange to Gas debt.

bogdan45
12-25-2008, 01:59 PM
Я иногда удивляюсь , как граждани своей же страны , любят себя же поливать гавном.

Mi-24.Anti-terrorist trainings
http://spotters.net.ua/files/images/0000010127_small.jpeg

http://spotters.net.ua/files/images/0000010149_small.jpeg

jupiter
12-25-2008, 02:02 PM
nice pics!

savushka
12-25-2008, 02:18 PM
P.S. My nephew is in military hospital in a city at exactly this moment. He's caught cold in military barrack because they have no heaters. In a city, because medical branch in their military base have no heating also. Military base have no traces of tanks or fighter jets, as they used to have. Officers almost as many as soldiers. Tell me about "Ukrainan army STRRRONG!!!".

Ahhh, yes, such things are quite popular. A friend of mine served in Kiyv, and got pneumonia in the barracks during winter, because the roof was leaking, and the heating system was inoperational, thus making their room not only cold, but also very damp. :-(

shoora
12-26-2008, 12:53 AM
Я иногда удивляюсь , как граждани своей же страны , любят себя же поливать гавном.

You get me wrong. I don't like puppets in Kiev and I don't like nazi. Every time when somebody say "my nation" (you know the difference between "nation"/нация and "people"/народ) I have strong dj vu.
And changes that transformation, which is happening in Ukraine right now, will not make this country better and more respected.
http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/tupolev/160/images/300/tu160_ukrdotjpg
http://hiblogger.net/img/userfiles/2007/09/20/25508/Tu160Lastday/0000000433_small.jpeg
Last days of Ukrainian Tu-160. Note that tridents ("forks") on wings and tail washed out. Feeling of guilt, I hope?

Priluki AFB, UkrSSR
http://www.airforce.ru/aircraft/tupolev/tu-160/book/tu-160_19dotjpg
http://www.airforce.ru/aircraft/tupolev/tu-160/book/tu-160_21dotjpg
After first launch of cruise missile X-55.
http://www.airforce.ru/aircraft/tupolev/tu-160/book/tu-160_20dotjpg
Gound personal presented after each flight presented flowers to the crew.

http://www.airforce.ru/aircraft/tupolev/tu-160/book/tu-160_23dotjpg
Last graduates of training classes for Tu-160 in Priluki, Ukraine. Some of them will make second oath in their life to Ukrainian Flag and stay in Ukraine, and some made their decision to move to Russia.
To fill up Tu-160 you need 170 ton of kerosene or "only" 40 ton to make test flight over Ukraine. Should I say how many flights these beauties made in independent Ukraine? BTW, at that time not much more often in Russia.

savushka
12-26-2008, 07:20 AM
Damn, it hurts my hearts to see those Tu-160 go to their death :-( Such a beautiful, perfect aircraft, with such characteristics... God damn politicians.

shoora
12-27-2008, 04:59 AM
Damn, it hurts my hearts to see those Tu-160 go to their death :-( Such a beautiful, perfect aircraft, with such characteristics... God damn politicians.
Same with me. Ukraine has so good history being industrial country. I affraid, not anymore. According to official data 2% growth in industrial sector and 17% in agricultural. Realistically, I think it will be good if Ukrainian technological industry produces 1% of what we did in 1990.
Unfortunately, by conditions of joining the WTO, ukrainian agriculture doesn't have a chances to survive either.
Ukrainian military had "pleasant" surprise during last was in caucasus, that their antiaircraft rockets survived harsh (humid) weather conditions and was able to strike a few russian air "targets". Such a shame. especially, if you know past capabilities of Ukrainian part of military-industriual complex

bogdan45
01-04-2009, 05:18 PM
Air Forces
http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/event/2008-12-30-1893-8339dotjpg

http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/event/2008-12-30-1893-8340dotjpg

http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/event/2008-12-30-1893-8341dotjpg

http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/event/2008-12-30-1893-8342dotjpg

http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/event/2008-12-30-1893-8343dotjpg

bogdan45
01-05-2009, 06:57 AM
Mi-26
http://spotters.net.ua/files/images/0000011348_small.jpeg

http://spotters.net.ua/files/images/0000011364_small.jpeg

http://spotters.net.ua/files/images/0000011273_small.jpeg

bogdan45
01-05-2009, 07:08 AM
Be-12
http://spotters.net.ua/files/images/0000001300_small.jpeg

http://spotters.net.ua/files/images/0000003299_small.jpeg

http://spotters.net.ua/files/images/0000011367_small.jpeg

http://spotters.net.ua/files/images/0000002700_small.jpeg

Dark Avenger
01-05-2009, 07:13 AM
I Don't recall these having been posted here before, so enjoy some nicely camouflaged Su-25UB attack aircraft here (http://elhangardetj.blogspot.com/2007/11/su-25ub-ucranianos.html).

Askold
01-05-2009, 08:47 PM
As a citizen of Ukraine (and recognized as native Ukrainian) I have any rights to express my opinion. president ushenko is very convenient figure for 100% corrupt political system of Ukraine. While he is in power, ukrainian tycoons have all means to legalize their money abroad. And certainly he is the best for his sovereign. Although it might looks like pluralism is very strong in Ukraine right now, situation is worse then before 2004. I hope you can understand why I have reasons to make this statement.
About territorial disputes - ushenko and his ObKom said that. Not Russia!
In a mean time Romania trying to get back tiny little piece of ukrainian territory. We'll see...
P.S. My nephew is in military hospital in a city at exactly this moment. He's caught cold in military barrack because they have no heaters. In a city, because medical branch in their military base have no heating also. Military base have no traces of tanks or fighter jets, as they used to have. Officers almost as many as soldiers. Tell me about "Ukrainan army STRRRONG!!!".

- I couldn't care less if you are citizen of Ukraine or not. The kind of statements you make are offensive and provocative in nature. This is not a political forum but place for military photos, so keep your whinny opinions to yourself.

Askold
01-05-2009, 08:54 PM
Thanks for the link Dark Avenger, I'll post the pics here too:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2BBc6-JDVWY/R0PuJ3E0IVI/AAAAAAAABdY/ajgjOrYx8Ws/s1600/SU-25UB%2BUCRANIA%2B60%2BNUEVO%2BCAMO%2B1dotjpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2BBc6-JDVWY/R0PuKXE0IWI/AAAAAAAABdg/iGbwAHv1i3c/s1600/SU-25UB%2BUCRANIA%2B60%2BNUEVO%2BCAMO%2B2dotjpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2BBc6-JDVWY/R0PuKnE0IXI/AAAAAAAABdo/iKqOnez9l5c/s1600/SU-25UB%2BUCRANIA%2B64%2BPANTERAdotjpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2BBc6-JDVWY/R0PuLHE0IYI/AAAAAAAABdw/xNmJs0k0ogI/s1600/SU-25UB%2BUCRANIA%2B64%2BFRONTAL%2B2dotJPG

In my opinion the beige cammo scheme is the best option - I think blends well when flying over the burned out steppes.

Mormaeglin
01-07-2009, 05:04 PM
Slava! look bratja what i have found on wiki :

Ukraine: Yuriy Lutsenko, head of Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, announced on October 1 2008 that Israel Weapon Industries and the Ukrainian research and production company RPC Fort will jointly manufacture the Tavor T.A.R. 21 assault rifle, that will enter service with the Ukrainian military and police special units.[10]

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/3/1/7/f_TAV2m_ad960dddotjpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/1/7/f_TAV2m_ad960dddotjpg&srv=img32)

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/1/7/f_TAVm_696dd3cdotjpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/1/7/f_TAVm_696dd3cdotjpg&srv=img26)
Engraving on awtomat goes like that : "Wirobleno w Ukrajiny" produced by : NTS Fort MSW

Dark Avenger
01-07-2009, 05:27 PM
Thanks for the link Dark Avenger, I'll post the pics here too:
In my opinion the beige cammo scheme is the best option - I think blends well when flying over the burned out steppes.

You are welcome and why burned steppes? You mean in case of war, or due to brushfires?

Askold
01-07-2009, 08:19 PM
Excellent news brother! Thank you for the photos!

Askold
01-07-2009, 08:21 PM
You are welcome and why burned steppes? You mean in case of war, or due to brushfires?

I mean the burned out steppes from brush fires and extreme heat. In the Summer, Ukrainian steppes look more sandy brown from above - so such beige cammo blends much better then the forest green types.

Dark Avenger
01-08-2009, 07:18 AM
OK, got it, thanks.

Mormaeglin
01-08-2009, 03:28 PM
Excellent news brother! Thank you for the photos!

No problemo! if I will get any more info I will post it as soon as possible!

In mean time :

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/3/1/8/f_Negevm_98c0ceadotjpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/1/8/f_Negevm_98c0ceadotjpg&srv=img34)

Negev will be also produced under licence by Fort.

Dark Avenger
01-08-2009, 03:44 PM
Fort?!? Any relation to the company that produced a nifty little kit of the GAZ-67 jeep in 1/72 scale? I'm dead serious about the question, btw. Not kidding at all.

And sorry for the off-topic too.

Ceriy
01-08-2009, 05:05 PM
Fort?!? Any relation to the company that produced a nifty little kit of the GAZ-67 jeep in 1/72 scale? I'm dead serious about the question, btw. Not kidding at all.

And sorry for the off-topic too.
no relation to that company.

in Ukrainian http://www.fort.vn.ua/produkciya/kulemeti/

about company in English http://www.fort.vn.ua/about_enterprise/

Dark Avenger
01-08-2009, 05:52 PM
Thanks for the answer!

bogdan45
01-14-2009, 01:33 PM
Mission in Liberia
http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/event/2009-01-14-1908-8396dotjpg

http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/event/2009-01-14-1908-8400dotjpg

Dark Avenger
01-14-2009, 03:13 PM
Bogdan, is thet a GSh-23 cannon on that Hind? Any more pics of that configuration (and the Ukrainian designation, of course) please?

calimero2
01-14-2009, 03:49 PM
That's the Mi-24VP.

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/8300/mi24vpfd0dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dark Avenger
01-14-2009, 06:31 PM
Same as the Russian designation then.

zagrava
01-25-2009, 05:53 AM
Ukrainian SEAL
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/epo3sA1XMp4&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/epo3sA1XMp4&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epo3sA1XMp4

Ceriy
01-26-2009, 02:12 PM
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4031/20090126192984865733940kc9dotjpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3015/20090126192984875740356ax0dotjpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5917/20090126192984885747596si6dotjpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5749/20090126192984915786243ar3dotjpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8875/20090126192984905777019ok8dotjpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2711/20090126192984895766611tx0dotjpg

Commander of Multinational Task Force East, Brigadier General Larry D. Kay visited Ukrainian soldiers from POLUKRBAT in camp Breza, near Brezovica, Serbia.

Ceriy
01-28-2009, 12:09 PM
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9894/20090128193985261149836el4dotjpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9671/20090128193985285947058ds9dotjpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1/20090128193985275951066id8dotjpg

Ukrainian Medical Officers removed shrapnel from the leg of former Afghan General Абдула Салам Хан.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2296/20090128194185327396332tv2dotjpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/774/20090128194185337400427kv8dotjpg
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4726/20090128194185347404120qp8dotjpg

Training of Ukrainian Air Force logistics units.

Jorez
01-30-2009, 04:58 AM
marines - peacekeepers marshed at night 100 km (picture spread) p-)
http://flot2017.com/ru/news/2612

zagrava
02-05-2009, 06:12 PM
Brand-new ukrainian tank OPLOT M
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/VbWXXudl4CE&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/VbWXXudl4CE&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbWXXudl4CE

shoora
02-06-2009, 02:00 AM
Brand-new ukrainian tank OPLOT M
I heard this tank was build on top of body of T-84 with many upgraded components (most of them are made in Ukraine). And KhKBM have 9 more of T-84 to rebuild, in addition to this one. Is this true?
Is there any protection against piercing by depleted uranium shells?

HelmutStar
02-06-2009, 12:37 PM
which the engine power?

shoora
02-06-2009, 01:16 PM
which the engine power?

1400hp diesel

HelmutStar
02-08-2009, 07:47 AM
1400hp diesel

thanks. weight of the tank is known?

mr_ffox
02-08-2009, 09:24 AM
Guys any news about Ukrainian Tavors made by FORT ? Who will get them? How many Tavors will be at service ? (any plans for deeper replacement of AK or only for special units)

General Pacepa
02-08-2009, 10:11 AM
It is nice to see what our neibours have:)

Ceriy
02-10-2009, 01:11 AM
Guys any news about Ukrainian Tavors made by FORT ? Who will get them? How many Tavors will be at service ? (any plans for deeper replacement of AK or only for special units)
They are undergoing state testing.
http://zakon1.rada.gov.ua/cgi-bin/laws/main.cgi?nreg=101-2009-%F0
I think that Internal troops SF will be the first to get them. Alfa will most likely get them, HUR might get a few.

Askold
02-10-2009, 01:19 AM
Not sure if posted before but still an amazing video. Ukrainian coastguard fires upon, ramms and sinks illegal Turkish poacher ship..

diwnxB7PCZ0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diwnxB7PCZ0&feature=channel_page

Baron Harkonnen
02-10-2009, 08:53 AM
APFSDS shooting tests at Zaslon APS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiEc6TQ_i1s&feature=channel_page

Description of Zaslon APS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLCgD0m0R9s&feature=channel_page

Dark Avenger
02-10-2009, 09:14 AM
Whoa! The test gun is mounted on a tracked carriage of (pre-/and) WW-II vintage, used for the Br-2 (152mm gun) and Br-4 (203mm howitzer) pieces.

Anton_ua
02-10-2009, 01:36 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/053D6dh7Y28ln/610xdotjpg

Ukrainian soldiers, part of a Ukrainian-Polish peacekeeping battalion, shoot during a training course for peacekeepers at a military training centre, 100 km (62 miles) south of Kiev March 13, 2008. The battalion is due to take its turn of duty in Kosovo from April 1.
http://image30.webshots.com/31/3/17/17/245431717uxwuyQ_phdotjpghttp://image30.webshots.com/31/3/17/17/245431717uxwuyQ_phdotjpg

Baron Harkonnen
02-10-2009, 02:01 PM
Whoa! The test gun is mounted on a tracked carriage of (pre-/and) WW-II vintage, used for the Br-2 (152mm gun) and Br-4 (203mm howitzer) pieces.

Yes, it moves not far, but can be used with also various 152- 140 - 125 - 130 mm guns.

Dark Avenger
02-10-2009, 02:26 PM
It can certainly take the (hefty) recoil of those weapons, so, along with an inherent measure of mobility, it's an ideal test rig.

GTX-Typhoon
02-10-2009, 02:33 PM
Well hello!

I have a small question:

How does this (Ukrainian offcourse) Vehicle stack up to the likes off the BTR-90?:

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Hawkwood_777/Russian%20weapons/1205687871986dotjpg

And what for advantage does this settup bring in comparrison to a regular turret with ATGM's mounted to the sides?

Dark Avenger
02-10-2009, 02:58 PM
I'd say it's more comparable to the BTR-80A, but having the advantage of a revised entry/exit layout for the squad and the ATGMs. Other than that, it has the disadvantage of the one-man turret (the BTR-90 has a two-man turret with the attendant better overall situational awareness for the Commander). Plus, compared to Western equivalents as well as the uparmored versions of the BTR-90, the armor looks too light. Has to be to maintain amphibious capability.

GTX-Typhoon
02-10-2009, 06:19 PM
I'd say it's more comparable to the BTR-80A, but having the advantage of a revised entry/exit layout for the squad and the ATGMs. Other than that, it has the disadvantage of the one-man turret (the BTR-90 has a two-man turret with the attendant better overall situational awareness for the Commander). Plus, compared to Western equivalents as well as the uparmored versions of the BTR-90, the armor looks too light. Has to be to maintain amphibious capability.

Thank you very much!

Bit sad though about the situational awareness and the lack off armour because the vehicle looks good.

Baron Harkonnen
02-10-2009, 06:42 PM
I'd say it's more comparable to the BTR-80A, but having the advantage of a revised entry/exit layout for the squad and the ATGMs. Other than that, it has the disadvantage of the one-man turret (the BTR-90 has a two-man turret with the attendant better overall situational awareness for the Commander). Plus, compared to Western equivalents as well as the uparmored versions of the BTR-90, the armor looks too light. Has to be to maintain amphibious capability.

It has two man controlled turret also (like on BTR-3E1).

Dark Avenger
02-10-2009, 07:14 PM
Ah, you refer to the BM-3 Shturm station; I was referring to the Grom, as seen in the photo.

Askold
02-10-2009, 10:45 PM
Mormaeglin:


KLMK is one of the best camo patterns ever designed its power lies in simplicity and great color sample of green, for leto/wiesna there is no better in my opinion if something is effective it should be used, fact that it is old does not mean that it is bad (Many newer camo patterns cannot even match effectivness of old camos, such like those created in Soviet Union or WW2 Germany).

Dubok/TcKO looks just great in ACU style uniform, all in all it is still effective camo pattern, my dream is to have in one day uniform in TcKO

- I completely agree with you. I personally can't stand the present day Ukrainian cammo - I find it too just too dark. They should all switch to Ukrainian Flektarn (that russian copy of danish copy of ss) or MARPAT.

New example of walking out dress for enlisted men:
1. forrage cap is to be replaced by berret.
2. new berret cap emblem
3. new buttons
3. left shoulder would have a tag "Armed Forces of Ukraine"
4. right shoulder would have national coat of arms.
5. new collar devices

http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-411-1220881571dotjpg

right shoulder national insignia
http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-411-1220894710dotjpg

example of newly introduced collar insignias. I like the buttons with the cross in them :)
http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-411-1233579216dotjpg

DeonVDMerwe
02-10-2009, 11:05 PM
How does the Ukrainian Army compare to the Georgian Army in terms of training and equipment?

Askold
02-11-2009, 07:25 PM
I think Georgian Army had way beter US training and was more modernized and well equiped. Their only problem was their size. Ukrainian army being much bigger will take more time in modernization process.

P.S. Nice side pic of Oplot tank:

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1313/opl2syh9xs2dotjpg

Ceriy
02-11-2009, 08:41 PM
http://sammler.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=531102
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6804/mberet8057578ca1dotjpg

shoora
02-12-2009, 02:58 AM
I think Georgian Army had way beter US training and was more modernized and well equiped. Their only problem was their size. Ukrainian army being much bigger will take more time in modernization process.

According to Wiki Georgian military has 37,000 troops and Russian forces combined with Ossetians and Abkhazs is "at least 23,000 total". Considering famous modernization and training, I wonder why Georgian commandos was never seen on Red Square. Size was not an issue for Georgian army.

New Unirainian uniform looks similiar to this. Is this result of adopting to NATO standards or just coincidence?
http://www.uniformdisplay.com/pics/500/Image16dotjpg

AlexMartin2
02-12-2009, 03:35 AM
New Unirainian uniform looks similiar to this. Is this result of adopting to NATO standards or just coincidence?

Of course this is result of "adopting to NATO".

Well, I think that NATO uniform is very nice, but these copies look "unnatural". Dont know why, but I dont like it at all.

Askold
02-12-2009, 03:38 AM
I think every country including Russia is adopting so called "Nato standard".

http://xbradtc.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/2748508513_bfec53177e_odotjpg

Mormaeglin
02-12-2009, 03:58 AM
- I completely agree with you. I personally can't stand the present day Ukrainian cammo - I find it too just too dark. They should all switch to Ukrainian Flektarn (that russian copy of danish copy of ss) or MARPAT.


Dakuju za info :) and You have right current patern is way too dark, and the second variant is very brown (more like Russian "Butan" from 1981). Generally pattern in itself is good but colours arent suitable for all envrioments. Switching to Flektarn would be good thing to do, yet I think that German-like (There is Ukrainian version of German Flektarn, not exact copy but very similar) Flektarn would be more suitable during whole year, Flektar-D is truly great camo but suitable only for wiesna/leto as its colours are too bright for general use.

And little comparison :

Ukrainian Butan, dark variant :
http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/3/2/11/f_0UkrDubokm_2a47ddadotjpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/2/11/f_0UkrDubokm_2a47ddadotjpg&srv=img34)

Ukrainian Butan, brown variant :
http://img18.picoodle.com/img/img18/3/2/12/f_0TTsKOm_3d804c9dotjpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/2/12/f_0TTsKOm_3d804c9dotjpg&srv=img18)

German Flektarn:
http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/3/2/12/f_0Flecktarnm_3aed1d4dotjpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/2/12/f_0Flecktarnm_3aed1d4dotjpg&srv=img02)

Ukrainian/Russian Flektar:
http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/2/11/f_flm_fd4e5c0dotjpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/2/11/f_flm_fd4e5c0dotjpg&srv=img26)

Ukrainian/Russian Flektar-D:
http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/2/11/f_0FlekDm_4058ed2dotjpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/2/11/f_0FlekDm_4058ed2dotjpg&srv=img26)

shoora
02-12-2009, 04:07 AM
I think every country including Russia is adopting so called "Nato standard".

http://xbradtc.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/2748508513_bfec53177e_odotjpg
Sorry, but these numbers are good only to impress general public. Numbers on Wiki page is much closer to real potential that both sides could use.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetian_war

You must be absolutely right about adoption of NATO standards by Russia. Looks like in Russia, after military reform, they want to have army which organization will be very close to organization of US army/marines. But much smaller in size.
I think reform of Ukrainian army moving in same direction.


Well, I think that NATO uniform is very nice, but these copies look "unnatural". Dont know why, but I dont like it at all.
I remember, I saw once on street Vietnamese pilots - their uniform was like very cheap copy of Soviet pilots uniform. Was very "unnatural".
Ukrainian uniform looks fine to me. But nevertheless, it is aping.

Mormaeglin
02-12-2009, 04:22 AM
Prosze, Marpat is good general issue camo but it should be a little more pale. From digital camos the best one is in my opinion Canadian Cadpat and Finnish M/05 because like Woodland, Marpat has the same problems it looks good and esthetic but is not blending all that great (but for sure better than Woodland)

Finnish M/05 (it is more bright normaly) it is heavily inspired by WW2 German Eichenlaub pattern :
http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/3/2/12/f_0M05m_3ff7f8fdotjpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/2/12/f_0M05m_3ff7f8fdotjpg&srv=img02)

Like here :
http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/3/2/12/f_m05gj7m_0fc1abddotjpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/2/12/f_m05gj7m_0fc1abddotjpg&srv=img33)

Canadian Cadpat:
http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/3/2/12/f_Cadpat20TW2m_1b86a84dotjpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/2/12/f_Cadpat20TW2m_1b86a84dotjpg&srv=img34)

Best way would be to create something similiar to such patterns.

CYXAPNK
02-12-2009, 10:59 AM
Thanks for textures!

Mormaeglin
02-12-2009, 12:12 PM
Prosze :) No problemo.

Askold
02-12-2009, 12:18 PM
I think once Canadian cammo fades then it becomes quite good, but like you said - its better suited for heavy forested areas which we in Ukraine don't have that much of.

Mormaeglin
02-12-2009, 01:42 PM
Here for comparison :

Woodland:
http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/3/2/12/f_0Woodlandm_562e29bdotjpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/2/12/f_0Woodlandm_562e29bdotjpg&srv=img34)
This camo is very popular but not so effective as it was created for Jungle. In fact is is just updated version of ERDL camouflage designed during war in Vietnam. As You see it has a lot of brown.


Marpat:
http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/3/2/12/f_0MarWm_36c08bbdotjpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/2/12/f_0MarWm_36c08bbdotjpg&srv=img32)
Same problem is with Marpat, a way too much brown, but generaly this pattern is more effective than old Woodland especially after several washes.

tier_v_y
02-13-2009, 08:08 AM
А detachment of special training

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_25BE3oPj1gs/SZVdcasNhQI/AAAAAAAABZc/Pa8IDLFhtvk/19dotjpg
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http://picasaweb.google.ru/lh/photo/VPiYDJifeqKliqjLuWi0xA?feat=directlink

Askold
02-13-2009, 12:10 PM
Is it me, or the photos are not showing?

Mormaeglin
02-13-2009, 12:30 PM
I too do not see any photos.

tier_v_y
02-16-2009, 04:30 AM
sorry I'll try to fix it today...

tier_v_y
02-16-2009, 08:00 AM
http://sites.google.com/site/milphotoezin/Home/razvedrota-vdv/01dotjpg?attredirects=0
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http://sites.google.com/site/milphotoezin/Home/razvedrota-vdv/17dotjpg?attredirects=0

http://sites.google.com/site/milphotoezin/Home/razvedrota-vdv/18dotjpg?attredirects=0


http://sites.google.com/site/milphotoezin/Home/razvedrota-vdv/16dotjpg?attredirects=0

peter.pl
02-17-2009, 12:45 PM
My cusin is serving in Ukrainian Army, he is paratrooper but I don't know in what unit :roll:
Nice photos :D

Ceriy
02-17-2009, 01:29 PM
My cusin is serving in Ukrainian Army, he is paratrooper but I don't know in what unit :roll:
Nice photos :D
Do you know in what city he is serving?

VK-SF
02-17-2009, 02:44 PM
Police Special Team "BERKUT" and Ukrainean "Heros"

Musashi
02-17-2009, 07:35 PM
I was talking with his mother and you know.
"I'm so proud, my little son blebleble" :)
Nothing about unit and city, but I will ask them.

Does the airborne unit in Hyriv, close to the Polish border make sense?

zagrava
02-18-2009, 02:32 AM
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ndMJ44MFe7Y/SZsyN_b2BtI/AAAAAAAACPg/1CwNQXI3Pd8/s512/P1120649dotJPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ndMJ44MFe7Y/SZsyI6loaaI/AAAAAAAACPI/zb1tMcPLW1Y/s640/P1120645dotJPG

MILES system in 95 airborn brigade (Zhytomyr)

zagrava
02-18-2009, 05:59 AM
This is real gun. And shots are real too.

TakeIt
02-18-2009, 08:43 AM
Does the airborne unit in Hyriv, close to the Polish border make sense?
Impossible. Reformed from brigade to regiment in 1999, disbanded(moved to Lviv afaik) in 2004.

shoora
02-18-2009, 03:04 PM
This is real gun. And shots are real too.
I see... Only ballistic is not real, I presume. But this should not be a problem on short ranges.
Very clever thing - could save tons of money on ammunition.

zagrava
02-18-2009, 03:08 PM
There are 119 items in Zhytomyr. They cost 4 million dollars.

Red_Rage
02-18-2009, 03:34 PM
I see... Only ballistic is not real, I presume. But this should not be a problem on short ranges.
Very clever thing - could save tons of money on ammunition.


There is no ballistics - it works with blanks. It simply sends a laser pulse to the device on the helmet or body of a person you are firing at. On small arms, the pulse is sent from vibration caused by firing blanks. Not sure how MILES for vihicles works.

Generally the system is very inconsistent - it might not go off if you are firing point blank at someone, it might go off by itself with very annoying beeping . Recently we switched to much cooler system, where C7 entire forward reciever section was be replaced with a special kit that allows it to fire 9mm rounds with plastic paint tip (which look like rounds for "gas pistols"). Advantage is that you are actually putting "rounds" on target (similar to paintball hits, but hurt like hell if hit in unprotected part such as legs), unlike Miles' "imaginary" rounds. Disadvatages are fairly short range (mostly used for MOUT training) and no machinegun version (so miles is still used for MGs).

Dark Avenger
02-19-2009, 06:36 AM
Modified BRDM-2 seen at Kharkov. Can anyone tell me more about this variation?

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3650/3216449882b9f1d4fe14orq0dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

Note spare belly wheel at the rear.

source (http://www.flickr.com/photos/anzhei/3216449882/)

TakeIt
02-19-2009, 10:44 AM
Modified BRDM-2 seen at Kharkov. Can anyone tell me more about this variation? Considering side windows and exaust pipes i think it's a tuned privately owned vehicle.

Ronguild
02-19-2009, 10:52 AM
Considering side windows and exaust pipes i think it's a tuned privately owned vehicle.

X2.
Look at the fake radar antenna. The belly spare wheel is certainly a deco.

Ceriy
02-19-2009, 11:01 AM
http://eng.nmrp.com.ua/produkt.php
Interesting modifications by Nikolaev Mechanical-repair plant

GTX-Typhoon
02-21-2009, 02:51 PM
Hey there,

I got a question: When the SU 27's and MiG 29's are worn out, Will the Ukrainians buy the SU-35 and MiG-35? or are they gonna buy European stuff?

Askold
02-21-2009, 03:13 PM
Shoora is a typical troll and should be banned for posting non-relevent, offensive and provocative posts. I reported his post, hopefully something will be done.

Minotauro1
02-21-2009, 06:09 PM
Hey there,

I got a question: When the SU 27's and MiG 29's are worn out, Will the Ukrainians buy the SU-35 and MiG-35? or are they gonna buy European stuff?

The country is nearing bankruptcy, they won't be buying anything new for a long time.

GTX-Typhoon
02-21-2009, 07:10 PM
The country is nearing bankruptcy, they won't be buying anything new for a long time.

Nearing bankruptcy eh? Goddamnit what a tremendous fail on the part off the Ukraine...

No insult intended but damn!

old soldier juga
02-21-2009, 11:45 PM
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Hawkwood_777/Russian%20weapons/1205687871986dotjpg

Is this the picture of BTR-4 ?

Ceriy
02-25-2009, 03:09 PM
http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=livemobilitydemonstratidotjpghttp://img21.imageshack.us/img21/139/livemobilitydemonstratidotjpg

IDEX-2009
Hi-res:
http://www.idex2009.com/images/press/Live-Mobility-Demonstrations-2dotJPG

Mormaeglin
03-03-2009, 03:21 AM
Truly great fotki!! I see a lot of interesting camo patterns and eq. For first time I see Tigr camo used by Ukrainian specnaz.

Askold
03-04-2009, 03:34 AM
Great pics Anton, never seen them before.

soloxai
03-04-2009, 07:38 AM
Aviation museum in Lughansk, Eastern Ukraine

JohnnyWalker
03-05-2009, 02:12 PM
why are they being destroyed?

WHy? Because the govment of the EU are all ****holes.

Abanamat85
03-05-2009, 02:51 PM
why are they being destroyed?

Probably similar reason why they were destroying Tu-160s back in the day, they were paid by the West.

-Julik- 4.GdKp
03-05-2009, 03:16 PM
WHy? Because the govment of the EU are all ****holes.


Military base worker destroy Kalashnikov's at the Central artillery base of Ukrainian Armed Forces' western command in Ukraine's western city of Kamyanets-Podilsky Some 400,000 small arms should be destroyed within the framework of a two-year Euro 900,000 contract between Ukraine and NATOI think the US is to blame ...

CYXAPNK
03-05-2009, 03:55 PM
I think, we have to much AKs and ammo at all...

savushka
03-05-2009, 04:30 PM
I think, we have to much AKs and ammo at all...

Riiiight, so the best choice is to scrape em'. Bravo. :cantbeli:

Heh, those SBU photos are really interesting.

Minotauro1
03-05-2009, 05:50 PM
Riiiight, so the best choice is to scrape em'. Bravo. :cantbeli:

Heh, those SBU photos are really interesting.

I'm sure Ukraine will sign a deal with U.S to buy m4's shortly after scrapping the ak's, somebody has to pay for the budget deficit.

TOMMYJO
03-05-2009, 07:25 PM
Riiiight, so the best choice is to scrape em'. Bravo. :cantbeli:

Heh, those SBU photos are really interesting.

What do you want done with them? Not even the Ukraine government or military want them. They are surplus to requirements. Ukraine as a member of NATO's Partnership for Peace get NATO funding to destroy them.

http://www.nato.int/docu/update/2006/06-june/e0619a.htm

http://ec.europa.eu/external_relations/cfsp/fin/actions/ap_salw_ukraine.htm

The destruction of surplus and obsolete arms is also underway in other parts of the world.

http://www.state.gov/t/pm/wra/c3670.htm

CYXAPNK
03-05-2009, 11:57 PM
Riiiight, so the best choice is to scrape em'. Bravo. :cantbeli:

Heh, those SBU photos are really interesting.

Your proposition? What's wrong? We were paid for that...and what to do whith old amd out-of-date shells and missiles? They were produced in 80s for the war against the West...and imagine, now 1/3 of army budget is spending just on holding this amoount of armanment and ammunition, just to prevent self-explosions(like in Novobogdanivka or other warehouses, they blow up every year) and stealing. We need absolutely new weapon in every military branch, but government do nothing(remember what did Roosvelt in crisis of 30s, he built so much battle ships, it provided lots of workplaces, so why can't we do something same now? There are perfect conditions now...yeah, I know, corruption).

digrar
03-06-2009, 01:33 AM
Stop hotlinking pictures, use a host. This thread is under observation, no more warnings.

savushka
03-06-2009, 06:21 AM
Your proposition? What's wrong? We were paid for that...and what to do whith old amd out-of-date shells and missiles? They were produced in 80s for the war against the West...and imagine, now 1/3 of army budget is spending just on holding this amoount of armanment and ammunition, just to prevent self-explosions(like in Novobogdanivka or other warehouses, they blow up every year) and stealing. We need absolutely new weapon in every military branch, but government do nothing(remember what did Roosvelt in crisis of 30s, he built so much battle ships, it provided lots of workplaces, so why can't we do something same now? There are perfect conditions now...yeah, I know, corruption).

Well, first of all, those pictures show AK-74s getting scraped, not shells and missiles. They are obsolete... in what way? Our officer academies, even school classes, could you those a lot more(we studied using a wooden model of the AK, for christsake).
<sarcasm> Maybe these AKs are out-of-order? Like those scraped Tu-160s? :roll: </sarcasm>
And I disagree with you - we don't need to change something, that works. Normal uniforms, for example, would be a much better investment.
That's just my IMO.
But I'm probably *****in' too much, so yeah, whatever p-)

Anton_ua
03-09-2009, 01:14 PM
Українські снайпери з 8 окремого полку спецпризначення

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px7fFwd5ejw&feature=related


10 загін (спецназ ГУР МО України)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xQmd6kJrMM&feature=related

Anton_ua
03-09-2009, 01:28 PM
ЦСО СБУ (антитерор)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBGJ7t3Aa2g&feature=related


30 окрема механізована бригада Сухопутних військ Збройних сил України


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwzvj42HpLg&feature=related

Anton_ua
03-09-2009, 01:35 PM
УКРАЇНСЬКА МОРСЬКА ПІХОТА



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19cWzXPyrTM&feature=related

Mormaeglin
03-12-2009, 09:52 AM
Great movie clips Anton! long time no see Bratja!

http://img15.picoodle.com/img/img15/3/3/12/mormaeglin/t_00Flagam_9dea67edotjpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/3/12/mormaeglin/f_00Flagam_9dea67edotjpg&srv=img15)

I got this flag as a present from soldier who was in Irak. He got it from friends from Ukrainian contingent in exchange for polish one.

Ceriy
03-12-2009, 03:11 PM
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3393/20090312209991770426776dotjpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7255/20090312209991750458496dotjpg
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9141/20090312209991760434696dotjpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6250/20090312209991790463807dotjpg

Ukrainian Il-76 arrived in Greenland.

Ceriy
03-18-2009, 03:13 PM
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1715/20090318211992610190350dotjpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3586/20090318211992620182142dotjpg

Submarine Zaporizhzhia is moved to floating dock for 45 days of repairs.

Jorez
03-19-2009, 06:01 AM
Zaporozhye Submarine photos (http://flot2017.com/ru/news/4293) p-)

Jorez
03-20-2009, 08:05 AM
Ukranian in Aphganistan photos (http://flot2017.com/ru/photos/4338)

Baron Harkonnen
03-22-2009, 01:51 PM
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9357/img0078g.thdotjpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0078gdotjpg)

http://picasaweb.google.com/malakhov.v.a/KMDBOplotMBT#5314892456902219138

CYXAPNK
03-22-2009, 05:13 PM
Oplot-M? Anyway, tnx for picture!

Universals
03-23-2009, 02:27 PM
'hope this deal works out.

While the Macedonian Defense Ministry was not able to completely verify Interfax's account, a spokesperson did confirm that an APC purchase will be forthcoming in the near future.

The size of the reported order, however, is sure to draw criticism, since the Macedonian Army needs no more than 110 APCs to fill outs its ranks as the country tries to gain acceptance into the NATO Alliance. In order to comply with NATO requirements, Macedonia will procure 30 new APCs by the end of 2009, with a total of 80 in service by year-end 2015.

The Finnish Patria AMV, the Austrian Steyr Pandur, and the Swiss MOWAG Piranha are all preferred options at the moment. The BTR-4 is modeled after the Russian BTR-80, 12 of which the Army of the Republic of Macedonia (ARM) currently has in its service.

The Ukrainian deal seems to hinge on two things: good relations between the two countries, and the possibility of building a new plant in Macedonia where final assembly of the new vehicles would occur. Once this step has taken place and the requisite technical skills of the workers and proper infrastructure are in place, the plant would then move toward full production of the BTR 4s.


http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_1256.html