How Israel Destroyed Iraqs Nuclear Reactor

[born_to_kill]

An In detailed animation

http://www.alisrael.com/tamuz/


In June 1981, Menachem Begin, then Prime Minister of Israel, faced the same dilemma that had faced Iran concerning Saddam Hussein's Iraq. The Israelis had watched apprehensively for two years as Saddam appeared to be nearing a nuclear weapons capability. The centerpiece of his effort was a French-built Osirak-type nuclear reactor turning out plutonium at Tuwaitah. (Note 40) After considerable internal debate within the Israeli ruling circle, Begin ordered his aircraft to bomb it to derail the Iraqi nuclear bomb effort.

Ariel Sharon, part of the Israeli ruling circle, said that, "This was perhaps the most difficult decision which faced any (Israeli) government during all the years of the state's existence."

Begin and a number of other Israeli leaders have been very effective in dealing with terrorists and tough in making military decisions because they, too, were once urban guerrillas operating from relatively weak military positions. They understood the bottom line on fights to the death; hit first with maximum strength. Those who hesitate may die. No present Western national leaders have had this hard experience or appear to share the street fighter mentality that might be required in a confrontation with a nuclear-armed and hostile radical regime.

Israeli intelligence had followed the Iraqi military buildup in the late 1970s. Saddam Hussein had assembled an army of 190,000 men organized into 12 divisions, augmented by 2,200 tanks and 450 aircraft. Both the Isreali Labor government of 1974-77 and the Likud government of 1977-81 closely watched and debated what to do about the Osirak reactor then being constructed with considerable French and Italian help.




At 16:01 on Sunday, June 7th , 1981, the fighters - Eight F-16's and six F-15's took off from the IAF base at etzion in the Northern Sinai. The reasoning behind the IAF's choice of time and dayu was that The french scientists would not be working in the reactor on Sunday, and there lives would be spared. Approaching and Leaving 'tammuz 1' at last light would put the planes directly in front of the setting sun, making it more dificult for Iraqi air defence to see them. The flight path taken by the Israeli aircraft was planned in a way that minimized the chances of detection by Jordanian, Saudi, or iraqi radar.

[WolverineBlue]

I'm sure many innocent people's lives were saved by this attack. Again, we see how f****d up the French are and that they would sell their mother to make a franc. FRANCE -- you suck.

[G1]

I'm sure many innocent people's lives were saved by this attack. Again, we see how f****d up the French are and that they would sell their mother to make a franc. FRANCE -- you suck.

It seems WolverineBlue has a very selective memory. ;)

[Zentrum Jagdkampf]

Read this:"By Way of Deception" by Viktor Ostrovsky

[foxtrot023]

I'm sure many innocent people's lives were saved by this attack. Again, we see how f****d up the French are and that they would sell their mother to make a franc. FRANCE -- you suck.

Do you now that the nuclear reactor called Osirak, was jokingly called by everyone the O´Chirac (the same dude who is now the president of France). It became so embarrasing that before it was destroyed, the french were asking to change its name. And you are right, the french have no friend- germans beware

[G1]

I'm sure many innocent people's lives were saved by this attack. Again, we see how f****d up the French are and that they would sell their mother to make a franc. FRANCE -- you suck.

Do you now that the nuclear reactor called Osirak, was jokingly called by everyone the O´Chirac (the same dude who is now the president of France). It became so embarrasing that before it was destroyed, the french were asking to change its name. And you are right, the french have no friend- germans beware

France has a friend in me. :hug: Great country.

[morlick]

I'm sure many innocent people's lives were saved by this attack. Again, we see how f****d up the French are and that they would sell their mother to make a franc. FRANCE -- you suck.

Do you now that the nuclear reactor called Osirak, was jokingly called by everyone the O´Chirac (the same dude who is now the president of France). It became so embarrasing that before it was destroyed, the french were asking to change its name. And you are right, the french have no friend- germans beware

big sucker! :bash:

[aktarian]

I'm sure many innocent people's lives were saved by this attack. Again, we see how f****d up the French are and that they would sell their mother to make a franc. FRANCE -- you suck.

You seem to forget that Dimona was also built with French help....

BTW, this was second time Osirak was bombed. IRIAF bombed it 1 week after war started.

[WolverineBlue]

Warning: possible thread hijack

Has anyone else heard that perhaps Saddam was bribing certain countries' officials in order to undermine support for the coalition prior to OIF? Please share any links if you have them regarding this. I cannot find where I first heard this. Culprits mentioned were France, Germany and Russia.

[Sayeret]

This actually was posted before.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9529&highlight=

[UkrainianAmerican]

Read this:"By Way of Deception" by Viktor Ostrovsky
Or *** on your face instead.

[StarvingStudent47]

Read this:"By Way of Deception" by Viktor Ostrovsky

Protocols of the Elders of Zion is another very accurate book along very similar lines... :roll:

[Zentrum Jagdkampf]

Read this:"By Way of Deception" by Viktor Ostrovsky
Or *** on your face instead.

Very funny!

[G1]

Read this:"By Way of Deception" by Viktor Ostrovsky
Or *** on your face instead.

Very funny!

Yes, very childish...what's this book all about?

[spectre5]

Cool :D

[StarvingStudent47]

Yes, very childish...what's this book all about?

A guy claims to be a former Mossad agent and reveals all the "secrets" of how the Mossad has "terrorized the world" and the like. Most rational people don't take him at his word that he ever had anything to do with the Mossad, but how do you disprove a claim like that? It's not like intelligence agencies publish lists of agents who worked for them.

Let me put it this way. I am a crack agent for the KGB. I worked for them for many years, but now I am disillusioned and I quit. The KGB is the most evil organization on the planet. We arranged the assassinations of JFK, MLK, and even Kurt Kobain. We engineered the HIV virus and released it in the USA.

Don't believe me? Prove that I'm wrong. Prove that I'm not a member of the KGB. Prove that those things never happened, and I certainly didn't participate in them.

See how hard it is to prove that someone WASN'T a spy, and they DIDN'T do such things? That's precisely why people hate that book so much. It's a pack of inflammatory lies and fairy-tales, but due to its nature, it's very difficult to show the author as the complete fraud he is. But here's some food for thought for anyone who believes him...if he actually WAS in the Mossad, and they ARE as brutal and ruthless and bloodthirsty as he says, and he WAS actually about to publish all their deepest secrets (instead of just the ramblings of some drug-addled media whore), THEN WHY DIDN'T THEY KILL HIM. It seems to me that "the most bloodthirsty and brutal intelligence agency ever" might just be willing to knock of an ex-agent who was threatening to publish their deepest secrets, huh?

The best evidence that this book is a complete lie is the fact that it got published and the author is walking around today.

Which is why I mentioned Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Its author claimed to be a very important Rabbi. He showed alleged transcripts of a Rabbinical meeting where Jews drank blood and plotted to take over the world. But he wasn't a Rabbi, and there was no such meeting. He was just some schmuck trying to make Jews look evil. But lots of people believed the book anyway, which was one of the causes for pogroms in Tsarist Russia.

[IDFM203]

Ok I actually had a post about his book a while ago.

To SS47 I hate to disagree with you but actually I believe he was a Mossad agent though for only a short time and he was a low level agent.

Here is what I wrote in response a while ago to a forum member here that was surprised to hear that I actually enjoyed reading that book.



ok first a clear distinction needs to be made.

I like his books but not him personally!!

Let me explain,

I liked the book (or to be specific certain parts of it) for you have to understand how both of those books were written.

Basically half of what was written was the training and how the Mossad operates and the other half was about Mossad operations and some of his allegations of that.

Even though I felt it was wrong, being that it was published already (its not like me not reading it will prevent anyone else from reading it ) I thoroughly enjoyed reading it, especially the training and tactics part of his books. (Reading it was kind of like a “guilty pleasure” feeling)



Now I do consider him a traitor and opportunistic, be it the great financial incentives in writing these books or in his own delusional left wing agenda. What I mean by delusional left wing agenda is like that of Mordehcai Vannunu (for those of you who just love to follow all of “Israel’s wrongs” be it made up or not, will know who this person is) who felt he needs to damage Israel “for its own good” in reveling that Israel has nukes and reveling Israel’s capability in that field so that Israel would abandon them…….both of them are traitors in the sense that Israel has been fighting for its very existence for the past fifty years against astronomical odds against numerous enemies and to have fellow Israelis try to destroy from within by damaging the Mossads capability or Israel’s nuclear deterrent is a traitorous act to Israel’s very well being.

Now I know what he brought down and alleges can be argued that he is not a traitor but just someone that wants to see Israel change and while I disagree with that simplistic defense of him (for what he wrote went way past that mere objective), what cant at all be argued against him being called a traitor is him divulging how the Mossad trains and operates.

He broke some very clear and vital OPSEC rules that are very damaging to the Mossad and its ability to perform its vital security duties

He is a traitor for he gave out a lot of info on how the Mossad trains or how they operate and by giving out these unique “trade secrets” that have allowed the Mossad to become one of the most successful spy agencies in the world (for even if what he alleges in the other parts of that book are true, which again a lot of it is very unproven, the Mossad has done tons of positive acts over the years for the vital security of Israel that far out weight the few negative ones that he outlines there) and this is damaging to the agents in the field that were most defiantly compromised by some of the info that he spelled out in the book.


You see what’s for sure is that he was in the Mossad and as such the training and tactics parts of the books are probably true but a lot of other things in the actual operations parts of the books that he alleges comes into question being that he did not have the highest security clearance (I mean he was not a high official in the Mossad but merely just a regular agent) and also he was in for a short time period. The way the Mossad works (and I am sure the way other spy agencies work as well) is that a person knows very little outside of what he himself is doing. Meaning that just because you were in the Mossad doesn’t mean that you know everything about it’s history or what it has done in other operations or what other departments are doing even when you are in an operation yourself. For you don’t and you don’t know a fraction of it. So a lot of what he wrote he was not there and he is merely alleging based on no proof what so ever and that leads me to be very skeptical to say the least.


Shalom :D