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moughoun
04-12-2004, 06:57 AM
GIs lose status as super-warriors in Iraq

BAGHDAD: A joke circulating in Baghdad says: “If you want to frighten an American soldier, shout ‘Fallujah’.”

The town where US troops have been blocked for seven days by insurgents fighting from street corners, rooftops and minarets — often using less than sophisticated weapons — has become a symbol of the changed attitude to the US-led occupation forces.s.

In one year, American GIs have fallen from the status of super-warriors to ordinary men in the eyes of Iraqis who have seen them fall victim to old rocket-launchers and home-made bombs.

A year ago, after the rapid collapse of Saddam Hussein’s regime and rout of his forces, the American army with its high-tech weaponry seemed invincible to many in the Iraqi capital.

“It had an image of incredible force. People attributed extraordinary powers to it, with some saying the tanks were so sophisticated they could deflect the course of incoming rockets. Its soldiers were viewed as supermen,” said Ouissam Taofiq, a geography teacher.

But then, the first patrols fell victim to explosions of home-made bombs or the bullets of 30-year-old light arms.

“The Iraqis realised that the Americans were not so sophisticated, that it was easy to hit their convoys or helicopters with old rocket-launchers and Kalashnikovs; that the soldiers were ordinary men, as vulnerable as us,” said the 60-year-old Sunni teacher. A year later, attacks against US troops have become increasingly frequent and murderous. Respect for them has evaporated. “They have shown weakness. Instead of getting rid of them, they freed ex-military men or Baathist paramilitaries, who have reorganised,” said a former Shiite commander, referring to the supporters of the former ruling Baath party.

“American soldiers have shown themselves incapable of ending insecurity here and have lost the respect of part of the population,” added Shamsi al-Zahawi, aged 70.

For others, the Sunni guerrilla fighters or the insurgents of the Mehdi Army of radical Shiite cleric Moqtada Sadr, who no longer hesitate to display their weapons, the thing that has vanished is fear.

“The ease with which American soldiers have been attacked for a year has encouraged the mujahadeen (warriors) and the militiamen of Moqtada Sadr,” according to Taofiq.

The culmination of this “resistance” is the battle for Fallujah, the Sunni town some 50 kilometres (30 miles) west of Baghdad where 2,000 marines have failed to crush resistance after a week of ferocious combat. “To see the most powerful army in the world incapable of conquering fighters equipped with light weapons in a small town like Fallujah, is a sort of victory,” said an official of the Baghdad journal Al-Manar. —AFP

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_12-4-2004_pg7_55


This crap is from those good friend's of the US...Pakistan

Kingpin
04-12-2004, 07:52 AM
Why do you call "crap" this article? Only because you don't like opinions expressed in it?
And note that it is not opinion of Pakistani reporter. He just compiled interview with ordinary iraqi.

Obergefreiter
04-12-2004, 10:02 AM
Hmmm, that's interesting. I was under the impression that the Iraqi and foreign losses in Falluja were boardering on being a massacre.

Vance
04-12-2004, 10:39 AM
Hmmm, that's interesting. I was under the impression that the Iraqi and foreign losses in Falluja were boardering on being a massacre.
They are. But us not being able to fully quell the insurgency is where the problem lies.

MaDuce
04-12-2004, 10:54 AM
If the troops took off the gloves they wouldn't be so mocking.

Spooky
04-12-2004, 10:55 AM
People see what they wish to and interpret things as their needs require. The American kill ratio in the Iraq war is probably about 5 to 1 (which isn't at all bad for urban guerilla combat) but it still shows that Americans are vulnerable. Out on the open desert or in any situation when American armor and air power can be brought in we're close to invincible, but the Iraqi resistance failed to recognize that we're still just a regular army on the ground and thus their success came as a surprise to them.

I think the article made some valid points and that it wasn't at all crap. There's not much that can be done about the problem, but it does highlight another one of the problems that American forces must contend with.

EDIT: and Duce, they CAN'T 'take off the gloves' because that would lead to civilian casualties. U.S. forces are not holding back and they're doing the best they can with limited numbers but urban guerilla warfare with a limited amount of troops is nearly impossible.

cut
04-12-2004, 12:22 PM
If the troops took off the gloves they wouldn't be so mocking.

the gloves are stapled on.