where is the end of the tunnel...?

[sierraone]

The clashes in Fallujah and elsewhere have left more than 700 dead. More americans have died since the 'end of hostilities' than during. A year and is there a light at the end of the tunnel?
They are making enemies faster than they are running out of them.
Tragically in Fallujah they found out that the people are not ready for democracy, freedom, elections and political parties and certainly not human rights. Those poor souls that were burned, mutilated and strung up wasn't done by terrorists, insurgents or baathists or whoever but the mob in the street.
Now we have to fight once again the people we came to liberate...history repeated eh? The seeds of an even major bloodbath have been sown.
Shiites are after an islamic state, sunnis want the americans out or dead preferrably the second and even factions are fighting between who is going to kill americans first.
Just as some hotheads here advocate we flatten 'em, nuke 'em, kill 'em all...till we run out of enemy. So everyone is dead eh?
If we can't teach them democracy we will kill them?

[Truthsayer]

Only the majority-group even wants democracy.

The trick is to split up all the large, closely bounded, groups to make them think they all can benefit from democracy.

[shrek]

Due to recent cutbacks in defense spending the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off!

[ExtraT]

The clashes in Fallujah and elsewhere have left more than 700 dead. More americans have died since the 'end of hostilities' than during. A year and is there a light at the end of the tunnel?


Of course there is. The enemy has shown itself, and now it can be killed. Isay it's good.



They are making enemies faster than they are running out of them.


Naa... Arab women are not that productive ;)



Tragically in Fallujah they found out that the people are not ready for democracy, freedom, elections and political parties and certainly not human rights.


And that's a very good thing. Maybe it will make them change their approach to the problem alittle bit.



Those poor souls that were burned, mutilated and strung up wasn't done by terrorists, insurgents or baathists or whoever but the mob in the street.


Funny. How do you differenciate between "terrorists" and "mob on the street"? Do terrorists have a big writing on their forehead saying "Shoot here" ? :cantbeli:



Now we have to fight once again the people we came to liberate...


No you have to fight the people that oppose you. it doesn't have anything to do with liberation.



If we can't teach them democracy we will kill them?

Who the f*ck cares about their democracy?

[duck]

Soon Arab lore will explain the killings and mutilations of Fallujah as another Jewish-American conspiracy to humiliate them. According to news reports the people of Fallujah are already accusing Marines of using Mosques as military bases. Not long before the Imams in all of Iraq will include this rumor in their Friday sermons and whip up further anger.

[sierraone]

Due to recent cutbacks in defense spending the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off!

....or worse it could be an oncoming train.

Even if the country is partitioned in the let's say sunni north and the shia south are the iranians and the syrias stay put? and what about the kurds? won't they want independence? that might attract the disdain of the Turks too. And the oilfields? they will have to be equally distributed in which case you will have another rich islamic state - the shias. Would the americans (or the west and russia) want that? I don't think so...

[rokus2595]

don't equate democracy with occupation. I'm sure all iraqis want some sort of democracy in Iraq, what they don't want are the americans occupaying them. To argue, like the Americans are doing right now that the Iraqis are incapable of self government is just silly, but that is the logic they use for continuing to occupy Iraq.

Is there a light at the end of the tunnel? i think it will only get worse first before it gets better, especially for the Iraqis (which are really the ones suffering here). It seems that the events of last week have galvanized the Iraqi population against the americans, either by lending support to the insurgency or by joining them.

But the americans are not leaving iraq anytime soon. More misery for the Iraqi people in the months to come.

[MaDuce]

Sell Iraq to Iran and Turkey.

[ExtraT]

don't equate democracy with occupation. I'm sure all iraqis want some sort of democracy in Iraq, what they don't want are the americans occupaying them.


So, when Americans declare their intention to withdraw their forces on June 30th, they start an uprising, so that American't stay there longer.

What kind of a twisted logic is that? Are you on crack or something?



To argue, like the Americans are doing right now that the Iraqis are incapable of self government is just silly, but that is the logic they use for continuing to occupy Iraq.


Of course they are incapable, they or on a brink of a f*cken civil war!!
Tell me, who do you buy crack from?



It seems that the events of last week have galvanized the Iraqi population against the americans, either by lending support to the insurgency or by joining them.


You are f*cken nuts man! you think that Shiites fighting coalicion forces together with Sunnis is a sign of galvanization??? These two hate each other's guts!!! Just a year ago, Sunnis were persecuting Shiites, and a couple of years ago - massacring them. You think this all just goes away??
I think it's a sign alright, but a sign of external support and direction of this uprising. It seems like Iran is trying to finally win the Iran-Iraq war.

[rokus2595]

So, when Americans declare their intention to withdraw their forces on June 30th, they start an uprising, so that American't stay there longer.

What kind of a twisted logic is that? Are you on crack or something?


Ignorance must indeed be bliss...rofl ...the americans are not withdrawing their troops on or after June 30th. They are there to stay indefinitely.

As for the iraqis having a civil war, very doubful; they seem now more united than ever against a common foe: the americans.

[ExtraT]

Ignorance must indeed be bliss...rofl ...the americans are not withdrawing their troops on or after June 30th. They are there to stay indefinitely.


Yeah? Really??? So, US army will be continueing to patrol Bagdad streets, Tanks will be deployed everywhere, US will be governing everything, and so on? Do you really think US is even remotely interested in that? Do you think that US has nothing better to do than to nurse these primitive f*cks?

Or maybe you were speaking of US Army bases that will be insatlled in Iraq? Of course they will be. But this is completely f*cken different.



As for the iraqis having a civil war, very doubful; they seem now more united than ever against a common foe: the americans.

You are one naive SOB. Even under SADDAM there was constant inter-clan war, and Saddam didn't f*ck around. Do you seriously believe that all this went away?

With your hate against US, you even let your most basic logic falter. Your hate must be really big. Tell me, were you bitten as a child or something? Or, maybe an American kid beat you up at school regularly? Or maybe he's still beating you up at school? rofl

[sierraone]

As for the iraqis having a civil war, very doubful; they seem now more united than ever against a common foe: the americans.

Τhat indeed must be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. That shows a deep ignorance of history. The worst civil war in Greece ever started immediately as the Germans were kicked out. In Afghanistan the civil war started as the Soviets pulled out or even before. And who do you think killed 200 shiites earlier in the year and 50 or so in Kirkuk I believe with suicide bombers?