Identify this weapon

[He219]

ID This Weapon:

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040412/i/r2665710923.jpg

Brazilian policemen patrol the Rocinha shantytown of Rio de Janeiro, April 12, 2004. Some 900 police officers were patrolling one of Rio's largest slums after eight people were killed in shootouts between drug gangs over the past three nights, police said. (Sergio Moraes/*******)

And it's NOT a Bren ...

p-)

[RuSoKaR]

WWII stuff?

[mustamato]

Hm, a Madsen in 30-06?

http://ankkurinvarsi.com/jaeger/pk_M20.jpg
Madsen in 7,62 mm x 54R (hence the different magazine)

[Hydro]

Danish Madsen LMG. Seriously classic machine gun there.

[He219]

Yep, Madsen alright! Very fast there guys ...

http://www.rememuseum.org.uk/arms/machguns/armmg1/arm136.jpghttp://www.rememuseum.org.uk/arms/machguns/armmg1/arm136a.jpg

Oooold Skewl indeed!

p-)

[American Patriot]

What's the crank mechanism for?

[Hydro]

Good designs never die :)

Saw some pics of Browning .30's being used by Saudi security forces, and by South African special forces (mounted on a vehicle).

Crank mechanism - for cocking the weapon, it's a reeeeally old design (used by Russians in their war with Japan, and I'm NOT talking about the 1945 invasion of Manchuria ;))

[mustamato]

Good designs never die :)

Saw some pics of Browning .30's being used by Saudi security forces, and by South African special forces (mounted on a vehicle).

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-42039/10426.jpg

Well, Swedish Ksp m/39B, more or less a copy of the Browning .30, or well
a Swedish version of the M1919. Still in use today.

[He219]

What's the crank mechanism for?
What do you think; Charging lever perhaps? It's not for making sausages ...
;)


Good designs never die :)

Saw some pics of Browning .30's being used by Saudi security forces, and by South African special forces (mounted on a vehicle).

I've seen this one floating about lately:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040412/capt.sge.gkx27.120404164930.photo00.default-333x384.jpg

A Saudi soldier on guard against attacks. Gunfire and the thud of explosions were heard in an eastern neighborhood of Riyadh as security forces chased suspected militants, residents told AFP.(AFP/File/Awad Awad)

And I also remember that other one ...

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/2386218.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=9297369254B5E88245EE56787E5D13D6

Members of the South African special forces are pictured, 10 August 2003 in Monrovia. South African special forces arrived 10 August in Monrovia with their equipment to prepare for President Thabo Mbeki's upcoming visit to attend the transition of power in the war-wrecked nation. Taylor is expected to step down and hand power to Vice-President Moses Blah 11 August and to go into exile in Nigeria. AFP PHOTO GEORGES GOBET (Photo credit should read GEORGES GOBET/AFP/***** Images)

What's next? A Hotchkiss or something ...
p-)

[Hydro]

.30 cal was also used in limited numbers by the British Army in GW1, mounted in Ferret scout cars. Bren gun in 7.62 was used until just after GW1.

Hotchkiss, HE? Nah, though I've heard SFOD-D have purchased large numbers of Chauchat LMG's ;)

[He219]

Both of those are excellent weapons nonetheless! (Bren and Browning that is)
:D

It's just Hardcore to see the Brazilian Police with the Madsen ...
:lol:

[wholagun]

doesn't the clip abstract the shooters aimming view?

[thatguy96]

The sights are are offset to allow the shooter to aim properly around the magazine, as they are on the Bren and Japanese Type 99 for example.

[wholagun]

The sights are are offset to allow the shooter to aim properly around the magazine, as they are on the Bren and Japanese Type 99 for example.

uh huh i see.

[Backis]

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-42039/10426.jpg

Well, Swedish Ksp m/39B, more or less a copy of the Browning .30, or well
a Swedish version of the M1919. Still in use today.

Nope. :)

The Ksp m/39 is a development of the ksp m/36, wich was an improvement/adaption of the US M1917 watercooled MG. One could say tha the m/39 is a paralelle development to the M1919 from the same original gun, but it is not a copy of the M1919 at all, for instance, note the spade grips on the Swedish MG, and amongst other things, it is much easier to quickly change the barrel on the m/39.

It is finally going to be phased out by the ksp58c now... :hug:

[I love Rachael Leigh Cook]

Canada still used a 7.62mm version of the Browning as the C5 GPMG well into the early 90's, but knowing the state of Canada's army that's not much of a suprise.

[elguapo]

http://jbonline.terra.com.br/jb/papel/cidade/2004/04/12/cid1qua.jpg

another angle

[Uninen]

This has some style, yet its so funny.. rofl

But lets not make any mistake about it, if it fires and hits, it kills.. :P

[HappyCat]

Good designs never die :)


Crank mechanism - for cocking the weapon, it's a reeeeally old design (used by Russians in their war with Japan, and I'm NOT talking about the 1945 invasion of Manchuria ;))

wasn't that war in 1902? this gun dosn't date back then does it?

[Hydro2]

The gun was originally designed in 1896!

Hydro2 ---> Hydroquip until "Hydroquip" account gets "unassed".

[Garibaldi]

The madsen was a sale success in south america during the first half of the XX century, were it was sold to Argentina, Brazil, and some of them were purchased by Paraguay to be used against Bolivia during the "Chaco War" in the ´30s.
I didn´t know they were still in use in Brazil.