11 russians kidnaped in Bagdad

[Marmot1]

OMG now 11 Russians were kidnaped :cantbeli: in Bagdad,

[Vance]

Let's hope the Russians show the Iraqis real 'hostage negotiations' ;)

[Soulhunter]

isn't it the occupation forces' job to provide security in this country? :roll:

[American Patriot]

Oh man those Russians can't catch a break. At least in Iraq they can blame it on us.

[Vance]

isn't it the occupation forces' job to provide security in this country? :roll:
For who exactly?

[RomanS]

Awesome, shows us how great those "freedom fighters are"
they don't care who supports them, they are in their own nasty world.

[Soulhunter]

for the country and its citizens in general?

[American Patriot]

Come on Russia, they have declared war on you. God knows we need more people on the ground in Iraq.

[Vance]

for the country and its citizens in general?
Russians are not Iraqi citizens. They came here on their own accord; they knew the risks. The Coalition should not be babysitting them.

[Russian Texan]

OMG now 11 Russians were kidnaped :cantbeli: in Bagdad,

Source?

[UkrainianAmerican]

Well at least the thugs dont discriminate.

[Soulhunter]

True, they are not the babysitters. But if there was security in the country, babysitters wouldn't be needed anyway.

I personally think anyone (civilian) who goes into Iraq right now is foolish and suicidal.

[Soulhunter]

I only found it mentioned here:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/82B928DF-E13A-4FFB-A33B-20DEEC583234.htm

[FallenAngel]

for the country and its citizens in general?

The "occupation forces" sort of have their hands full at the moment. And it doesn't help that a large part of the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps won't fight against the insurgents and the Iraqi police stand by and watch people burn and loot US Army vehicles.

Iraq is the size of California....there's no way in hell you could put a cop/ soldier on every single street corner and at the door of every building used by coalition/ aide people. If the Russians (who went there of their own free will) want protection, have THEIR government send down a contingent of troops to do it. I wouldn't be surprised if they refused protection by the US-- just like the UN and the Red Cross did and then bitched about the lack of security the US provided. :cantbeli:

And I don't know how in the world you come off criticizing anyways. How hypocritical can your liberal-oriented brain be? First you say we shouldn't have any troops over there at all since this is an 'illegal' war, and then turn around and criticize the fact that we don't have enough troops over there to protect anyone who isn't an Iraqi.

Christ....the US is f*cked either way huh? We remove a dictator slaughtering his own people and we're the assholes. Then, when we start pulling our forces out giving responsibility to the Iraqis who can't or won't do their jobs, we're at fault then too?

Make up your f*cking mind and stick to one position.

[Soulhunter]

Well, even US generals said there would be needed several 100'000s troops needed in Iraq but Rumsfeld dismissed that.

And now you've got the mess. And since you're there and followed Bush's plan, you have the responsability to provide security for the country and its people.

And if the Iraqi forces don't help you or turn against you, than your plan wasn't as brilliant as thought beforehand.

[Bulkowski]

Russia does not negotiate with terrorists, it annihilates them
;)

[Soulhunter]

FallenAngel: And removing a dictator slaughtering his people was NOT the first argument for Bush's war! That argument only came up later when the other arguments fell apart and the US tried to rally international support through pretending it was on a humanitarian mission now.

The US generally only interferes in other countries when it profits from it. Moral and ethic alone aren't enough. Otherwise the US would have, and have had, to attack lots of other countries too.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Oops some kidnapper is gonna get their legs and arms chopped of with a fire axe. ;)

[FallenAngel]

FallenAngel: And removing a dictator slaughtering his people was NOT the first argument for Bush's war! That argument only came up later when the other arguments fell apart and the US tried to rally international support through pretending it was on a humanitarian mission now.

The US generally only interferes in other countries when it profits from it. Moral and ethic alone aren't enough. Otherwise the US would have, and have had, to attack lots of other countries too.

Any country that goes to war has some amount of self interest involved. The initial reasons for the war is what everyone believed- including the Iraqis (gas masks issued to troops before the US invasion? Why would those be needed if Iraq didn't have anything???) Iraq had X amount of NBC weapons during the Gulf War. The UN told him to destroy is and prove he did. He did not. The UN tried for a decade to figure out why and what really happened to the weapons. They could not because the Iraqis would move stuff around before the inspections. Iraq has had ties with terrorists before and no proof that they no longer do. Based upon that evidence and more (something like over a dozen UN resolutions Iraq was violating) there was more than enough cause for war. The burden of proof was on Iraq, not America, Britian, et. al.

The reason the US has not attacked other countries is because the US is (contrary to liberal opinions) a war-mongering country. N. Korea can be dealt with diplomatically, as is the case with Iran and Saudi Arabia it is believed. We may yet still go to war with them if diplomacy fails. Syria/ Lebenon and Jordan have not been attack because, frankly, the US taking direct action in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict would cause a ****-storm of the first order.

Anywho, I do not feel the need to justify anything else to you in this thread. PM me if you're that concerned over proof.

I am interested in learning what the Russians intend to do about this- if anything.

[RomanS]

Its a bout time Russians send their troops to help American brothers

[FallenAngel]

Its a bout time Russians send their troops to help American brothers

Amen to that. Hell, it might even cool things down because the Russians, by comparison to the US, tend to take the gloves off and provide a certain degree of 'motivation' for such cowardly acts to stop immediately less Fullujah turns into Grozny

[Russian Texan]

Its a bout time Russians send their troops to help American brothers

I don't think it would happen....
Besides, Russian military is great at destroying things - not winning hearts and minds.
Can you imagine would become of Iraq if Russian troops with "chechen experience" come over.... :lol:

I can almost see the headlines:
"Bagdad - 4000 explosions per hour"
"European community is outraged by "zachistki"
"Iraqis: We want Saddam back!"

[RomanS]

Can you imagine would become of Iraq if Russian troops with "chechen experience" come over....

less iraqies :P

[mack pl]

Can you imagine would become of Iraq if Russian troops with "chechen experience" come over....

less iraqies :PAfter Russian visit in Iraq everyone could asked -Who the f**k was this Iraqis??...... it was a joke, no offense

[Russian Texan]

Can you imagine would become of Iraq if Russian troops with "chechen experience" come over....

less iraqies :P
Less Iraq for sure :lol:

I am yet to see video of "Buratino" in action, they say it is great in urban combat...

[SeanAshi]

These Iraqis are gonna piss the world off to no end, or have they already?

[Pooga]

Da heck is Buratino?

[Apogee]

My question is what were 12 Russians doing in Iraq? Were they part of an NGO? the media?

[UkrainianAmerican]

Da heck is Buratino?
This pinnochio pimp.

[MaDuce]

Awesome, shows us how great those "freedom fighters are"
they don't care who supports them, they are in their own nasty world.
Look who's back :D Anyways I am surer there are plenty of hired Russian guns that are proficent in fighting thease types..Chechneya vets prehaps.

[StukaJr]

Buratino is a multiple therbarium (air-fuel) warhead delivery system - multiple tube rocket laucher mounted on T-72 chassis... Single Salvo makes sure that nothing living can survive in a 200 meter radius - no conventional deffensive installation can protect from it, unless it's completely airtight... Being inside a building actually makes things far far worse for the receiving side...

Presence of those would be a detterent enough - and those in need of demonstration, would feel enough heat from the shoulder fired "flamethrowers"

[Russian Texan]

Da heck is Buratino?

The TOS-1 heavy flamethrower system is designed for combined destruction of targets due to the effect of high temperatures and excessive pressure.

The TOS-1 system can be employed in offensive and defensive battles for direct fire support of motorized infantry and tanks moving in their combat formations, to annihilate attacking enemy troops from protected and open positions, and set fire to terrain.

The system incorporates a combat vehicle, rocket projectiles and transloader.
Basic Characteristics:

Weight, t 42
Armament 30-tube launcher
Range of fire, m:
- minimum 400-600
- maximum 3,500

The combat vehicle is a launcher mounted on a tank chassis. It is comprised of a chassis, traverse platform with launcher tipping unit, servo drives, and fire control system.
The launcher tipping unit has 30 launch tubes for rocket projectiles mounted with a cradle in a common housing. It is linked with traverse platform levers via a trunion axle. Traverse and elevation of the launcher are effected by servo drives.

The fire control system incorporates a sight, quantum range-finder, ballistic computer and cant sensor.
The rocket projectile consists of a head with filler and fuse, and rocket with solid propellant.
The transloader is designed to carry rocket projectiles and load/unload the launcher. It is mounted on a truck chassis of high cross-country ability and a handling gear.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/russian-mrl.jpg

[Javehn]

Da heck is Buratino?

Be affraid , bastardo , russkies are comming , and pizdets is near to Iraqies . This is some serious pizdets :

http://combat1.hp.infoseek.co.jp/TOS-1.jpg
TOS-1

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/russian-mrl.jpg


This is also Buratino , by the way :

http://www.illustrator.ru/contests/contest/Vesku_Svetlana/Buratino.jpg

Buratino will beat the **** out of gay Pinokio .

[Russian Texan]

My question is what were 12 Russians doing in Iraq? Were they part of an NGO? the media?

According to the article they have worked for some energy company, it also said that two Iraqi policeman died defending them.

[UkrainianAmerican]

This is also Buratino , by the way :

http://www.illustrator.ru/contests/contest/Vesku_Svetlana/Buratino.jpg

Buratino will beat the **** out of gay Pinokio .
Yeah, and he gets more Bitches.

[Seraphim]

Also Chinese officials said that a chinese citizen has been kidnapped aswell.

[StukaJr]

DUBAI (*******) - Eleven Russians working for an energy company have been kidnapped in Baghdad after a shootout between the abductors and their Iraqi guards, Al Jazeera television reported, citing an unnamed Russian source.


The television said its correspondent in Moscow was told about the kidnapping by the Russian company for which the Russians worked.


The Al Jazeera correspondent told ******* the company is Interenergoservice, an energy services firm.


The company official said two Iraqi guards may have been killed in the shootout with the abductors, the television said.


A Russian engineer in Iraq (news - web sites) told Jazeera the 11 worked at power plants.

Too many unknows...

[SeanAshi]

I would rather go out in a hail of machine gun fire then being taken alive.

[Russian Texan]

I would rather go out in a hail of machine gun fire then being taken alive.

It is not always your choice...

Not in this case but alot of times people get captures when they are unconscious, wounded or simply have nothing to fight back with...

[Pooga]

Dude, Buratino looks like a fruit. Pinnochio could kick his arse anyday, rain or snow. Just call from 3pm to 7pm.

Oh, so it's basically a fuel-air bomb, but it's in the form of a rocket.

[hist2004]

Historical note:

During 1985 an unnamed terrorism group in Lebanon kidnapped 5 Soviet diplomats. You may remember that during the same period westerners and especially diplomats were prime targets for terrorist kidnappings. One hostage was killed. Well the story goes that the Soviets kidnapped the brother of the leader of that particular terrorist group and shipped him back apiece at a time. Needless to say those 4 soviet diplomats were released immediately and unharmed. No Soviet representatives were bothered again.

Regards,
Hist2004

[Elmo]

I would rather go out in a hail of machine gun fire then being taken alive.

Good for you. Why not take a flight?

I'd surrender...although it is very unlikely I'll ever meet an enemy which would have to stuff the Iraqis are doing to get attention to their cause.

[MaDuce]

Historical note:

During 1985 an unnamed terrorism group in Lebanon kidnapped 5 Soviet diplomats. You may remember that during the same period westerners and especially diplomats were prime targets for terrorist kidnappings. One hostage was killed. Well the story goes that the Soviets kidnapped the brother of the leader of that particular terrorist group and shipped him back apiece at a time. Needless to say those 4 soviet diplomats were released immediately and unharmed. No Soviet representatives were bothered again.

Regards,
Hist2004

Lol the good ole days before polictical correctness.

[-Max2-]

Russia does not negotiate with terrorists, it annihilates them

Yeah , i like the Vladimir Putin's philosophy... :lol:

I remember one of his quote:


Chechen terrorists should be killed ''even in toilets''

rofl

[intelligenzija]

sounds strange in english :lol:

[FallenAngel]

AH! I have an idea!

Step 1- all US and coalition forces pull out of Iraq as quickly as possible.
Step 2- Russians come
Step 3- Iraqis beg US and other coalition forces to return to repel Russians.
Step 4- US et. al. does not get involved to appease pacifist countries like Spain, France, etc.

The simplicity is wonderful! :D

[StukaJr]

Oh, so it's basically a fuel-air bomb, but it's in the form of a rocket.

Ummm... it's basically a fuel-air bomb(s) in form of a rocket(s), which is bad enough on its own - this one is designed to launch a whole shizload of them at once and evenly cover a 200x200 meter grid with fuel-air explossions... I'm not that well versed in physics, but I'm sure multiple fuel-air warheads multiple the overpressure/vacuum effect - taunting that as answer to uprising as like taunting nukes...

I'm sure that FSB pressuring release of hostages would be just as nasty as Buratino... Time for history to repeat itself.

[Brozozo]

AH! I have an idea!

Step 1- all US and coalition forces pull out of Iraq as quickly as possible.
Step 2- Russians come
Step 3- Iraqis beg US and other coalition forces to return to repel Russians.
Step 4- US et. al. does not get involved to appease pacifist countries like Spain, France, etc.

The simplicity is wonderful! :D

Now, here's a man with sense!

[StukaJr]

I think, in the next two weeks, Baghdad International Airport will see high number of male russian contractors from some bogus gas company arrive, sporting golf bags and strange elongated luggage... They will dissappear into the population and then messengers will have to work overtime, delivering parcels with body parts of prominant Shiite leaders...

Foreigh insurgents come to fight on the Russian Soil - I say it's about time russians return the favor :bash:

[DPGLAW]

Yeah, I don;t think it should be our (the US) responsibility to protect the foreigners that are in the country. Especially the Russians, why should we provide "bodyguards" to the citizens of a country that does not support us. If they want protection let Russia send Russian troops to Iraq then they can have all the security forces they want.....

We have all of the iraqis and our soldiers on topp of all the AMERICAN and COALITION soldiers and employees to worry about. We can't be worrying about citizens of those countries which flat out oppsed us. In addition to that the Russians gave Iraq and Saddam the weapons and training that they used to kill our soldiers. From the news reports I have read, this was going on all the way through the end of major combat. So this being the case I say too bad if you don't have security. I guess supplying Iraq with weapons and training to kill Coalition soldiers has backfired on Russia

[StukaJr]

Yeah, I don;t think it should be our (the US) responsibility to protect the foreigners that are in the country.

Actually, russians had Iraqi guards... As for offering protection - that's part of "rebuilding the Iraqi economy and infrastructure"

We can't be worrying about citizens of those countries which flat out oppsed us.

I'm glad your opinion is in the minority and has not been very popular since the 50's

In addition to that the Russians gave Iraq and Saddam the weapons and training that they used to kill our soldiers.

Unlike US that supplied Iraq with funds to buy those weapons... Or the biological weapons...

From the news reports I have read, this was going on all the way through the end of major combat.

I'm sure they print a lot of stuff on the back of the "Cracker Jack" box... And what cool stuff you find inside!

So this being the case I say too bad if you don't have security.

Ummm - they do... just not the best money can buy - oversight of the company, if anything

I guess supplying Iraq with weapons and training to kill Coalition soldiers has backfired on Russia

Kinda like putting Saddam Hussein in power of Iraq has backfired on US? Sure - bring up decades old history to back up your views...


Go back to your Fallout Shelter

[duck]

What is Mr. Primakov up to at the moment? He must be one of the leading Iraq experts in the world of politics. Any chance of him negotiating with the morons who must have thought they just bagged American contractors?

[Korth]

Oops some kidnapper is gonna get their legs and arms chopped of with a fire axe. ;)

And those parts will likely be fed to the hogs.

[usa320]

THey are doing a great job of pissing off the entire world...

Terrorists are so stupid. They thing killing innocents will further their cause. Instead it usually leads to their own demise.

Japan, South Korea, Germany, Russia, China, Britain, as well as the US have all had guards, reporters or contractors trying to rebuild the country killed or kidnapped by these fools.

And i would be shocked if Russia DIDNT do something.

Look at that chechen warlord in Quatar who got his car blown up.

:D

[GazB]

DPGLAW,

Yeah, I don;t think it should be our (the US) responsibility to protect the foreigners that are in the country. Especially the Russians, why should we provide "bodyguards" to the citizens of a country that does not support us.

Hahahahaha... yes, of course. These evil Russians working in a war zone to help the iraqi people fix their power supplies... what bastards. Let them die. The Russian government is not supporting the US in its invasion of Iraq so let all Russians be kicked out of Iraq. Let American technicians in to fix the Iraqis power needs.. much better then eh?

I can understand you being bitter and twisted at those who didn't jump on the band wagon when you invaded, but to direct your anger at some Russians that are actually helping you is pretty fking dumb.
Perhaps all foreigners should leave and let you do it alone?

BTW by taking out saddam you take responsibility for Iraq till it can govern itself. I realise nothing is every americas fault... you were molested as a child, innocent due to insanity, or the label on the bottle was too small and your lawyer can get you off and counter sue for a billion or two, but while you are in charge (and any brit soldier knows the UK ain't in charge of squat there) you are responsible!!!.

[SeanAshi]

The Russian government is not supporting the US in its invasion of Iraq Other countries have their reason for not supporting the war in Iraq, How much does Iraq still owe Russia? no more oil at a cheap price? ;)

[SR15]

Russia wont do anything about it, maybe few words , and thats it.

[Soulhunter]

It's the occupation forces' job to provide security. Of course, they are not supposed to be babysitters. But if the general situation was secure, there wouldn't be the need for babysitters anyway.

Most governments of those people kidnapped won't do (and can't do!) much although they won't admit to that in public. And even the people back home of those countries see this rather as as the failure of the US in Iraq than the work of iraqi 'terrorists'.

[RomanS]

They will be released soon. Hear my words.

The kidnapers don't want problems with Russia, we can change anyone's history if you upset us.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

I hope they release the Russians soon....
:|

[Kingpin]

3 already released.
And actually among the rest only 3 Russians. And also 5 Ukranians.

And will they be released or not depends of who catched them. If kidnappings performed by international terrorists groups I doubt they release russians. If by plain Shia or Sunny insurgents or militia i think they will be released soon.

Also 2 additional version:
- criminal kidnapping for ransom
- Provocation from pro-american Iraqis such as Chalabi.

[Kingpin]

Also, thanks god, my good old girlfriend wasn't in Iraq these days. She planned to visit this country (power plants machinery bussiness)

[droopy]

Russia wont do anything about it, maybe few words , and thats it.
First guy that tells the truth.

[Kingpin]

Russia wont do anything about it, maybe few words , and thats it.
First guy that tells the truth.

Russians already released. Now we can close this discussion.

As i properly guessed before it was plain iraqis rebels. They said they related with Iraqi communists.

[Russian Texan]

All of them are released.
As soon as Iraqis found out that they were Russians, they apologized, called for a cab and send them home.
Ex-hostages said that at all times they were treated well.
:)

[intelligenzija]

they were 3 russians and 5 ukrainians. But the iraqis didn't realized