View Full Version : Interesting vehicles found in Iraq
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Resize_of_churchill.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/12472/3942Resize_of_L35.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/12472/3942Resize_of_M-36_TD_roof_armor.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Resize_of_Resize_of_2004_0201_154309AA_JPG_stuff.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Resize_of_Resize_of_Resize_of_105_0567.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Resize_of_SHERMAN_RECOVERY.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Resize_of_T-34.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Resize_of_T-55_trainer.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Stolen_from_Kuwait.JPG
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942T-34.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942US_twins_.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942mlrs.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942MIG_Hauler.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942M24_another.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942M-8_Greyhound.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942M-36_rear_view.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942DSCF0073.JPG
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Brazil.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942ASIchurchill.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942ASIaml90.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/39422004_0201_152049AA.JPG
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/39422004_0128_155444AA.JPG
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942105_0545_JPG_S.jpg
ArmedPacifist
04-13-2004, 01:19 AM
They could start a musuem
mustamato
04-13-2004, 01:25 AM
They could start a musuem
Hm, I wonder if not most those tanks actually were museum stuff, and were
put out as "targets" for the US attack aircraft? Like the Serbs did with old stuff
when NATO bombed them.
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942mlrs.jpg
What is this? Yeah it´s a MLRS on a D-30 of course , but hm, someone
know more specifically what kind of MLRS?
Hellman109
04-13-2004, 01:48 AM
Allot seem like mechionised artillery or mortars.
Could ofcourse be allot of targets to lure in US aircraft.
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Resize_of_SHERMAN_RECOVERY.jpg
That's a sherman chassis and it's a recovery vehicle.
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/12472/3942Resize_of_L35.jpg
Mortar?
ArmedPacifist
04-13-2004, 01:51 AM
Ironic how a great many of them are American made.
Yard Ape
04-13-2004, 02:03 AM
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Brazil.jpg
Nice spare wheel on the EE-9. Must have run out of parts.
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Resize_of_churchill.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942ASIchurchill.jpg
The main guns have been replaced by MGs. Could these Churchills have been gun tractors?
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942M-36_rear_view.jpg
I belive Serbia was still using the M10 when NATO replaced the UN. I'd imagine this (and Serbias) had been upgunned (maybe to 100 mm?). Not surpriesed by it though.
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942105_0545_JPG_S.jpg
Good tank. Probably the best they had.
Yard Ape
04-13-2004, 02:20 AM
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Resize_of_Resize_of_Resize_of_105_0567.jpg
M47?
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942M24_another.jpg
I am surprised to see M24. However, it was included in UK inventories in small numbers.
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942US_twins_.jpg
Another M47 and an M60.
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942M-8_Greyhound.jpg
M8 Greyhound
Ironic how a great many of them are American made.
If you are hinting at something, there is nothing new enough to back it up.
RBull
04-13-2004, 03:30 AM
These tanks are definitely from tank museum display, note the T-54 with cutouts on the turret and hull and also the fact, that there is always only one sample from each type, including several prototypes (new turrets on older chassis). The chieftain is probably ex-Iran and the M-47 ans M-60 ex-Jordan. Not to mention the old Crocodille and Tankette...
http://community.webshots.com/album/124599660fVnKRb/1
I posted yesterday. More of strange vehicles now used by US forces in Iraq.
http://community.webshots.com/s/image8/0/68/90/124606890QIBJfe_ph.jpg
Obergefreiter
04-13-2004, 04:43 AM
Hellman, the second vehicle in your post is a Pre-WWII Italian CV-33 Cemovente (SP?) tankette. It only had 2 machineguns.
They were horrible in WWII, doubt they did much better now if they were used.
mattin
04-13-2004, 05:56 AM
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/12472/3942Resize_of_L35.jpg
Mortar?
No it's italian CV33/L3 tankette
Maciek
04-13-2004, 06:25 AM
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/39422004_0201_152049AA.JPG
BTR-50(OT-62???) with ET-90 turret[/quote]
flanker7
04-13-2004, 07:27 AM
[quote="Yard Ape"]http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Brazil.jpg
Nice spare wheel on the EE-9. Must have run out of parts.
That's the run-flat part of the tyre. The rest of the tyre must have came off when it was punchured.
Sirpad
04-13-2004, 07:45 AM
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Resize_of_Resize_of_2004_0201_154309AA_JPG_stuff.jpg
Is that also brazilian model? as i recall, EE-11 was also used by iraq, but i'm not sure if this is the one.
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/39422004_0128_155444AA.JPG
Sherman with panzer-3 turret?
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Resize_of_SHERMAN_RECOVERY.jpg
Sherman ACRV - was used by the IDF for many years. it is a factory-made model, and not iraqi invention.
Piotrek
04-13-2004, 07:57 AM
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Resize_of_Resize_of_2004_0201_154309AA_JPG_stuff.jpg
Is that also brazilian model? as i recall, EE-11 was also used by iraq, but i'm not sure if this is the one.
Hym..it looks rather like polish-czech SKOT
http://www.pancerni.to2.pl/transpkolo/skot-2.jpg
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942ASIaml90.jpg
That's a French AML-90
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Stolen_from_Kuwait.JPG
A German TM-170
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Resize_of_T-55_trainer.jpg
This T-55's armour looks cut to show the interior. Maybe was showed in a museum or used in a military academy.
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942DSCF0073.JPG
A BMD-1
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Resize_of_Resize_of_2004_0201_154309AA_JPG_stuff.jpg
That's not a Brazilian EE-11 at all. The Engesa EE-11 Urutu (wheeled APC) looks like a turretless EE-9 Cascavel.
Ritter
04-13-2004, 08:06 AM
Is that also brazilian model? as i recall, EE-11 was also used by iraq, but i'm not sure if this is the one.
Wrong. This is a czech-polish SKOT (sometimes called OT-64 in western sources). A local czech-polish alternative for russian BTR-60. Introduced into service in 1964. This type of vehicle was used also in Morocco, Indies, Cambodia, Sudan. And of course in Iraq.
Sherman with panzer-3 turret?
Panzer-3 ??
You mean PzKpfw III ?
A front of the turret is a little bit similar to PzKpfw V - "Panther".
But only a very little bit... ;)
In fact this is not the Sherman. This is a M36 with 90mm gun.
Look here: http://web.inter.nl.net/users/spoelstra/g104/iran.htm
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scoone
04-13-2004, 08:08 AM
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/12472/3942Resize_of_L35.jpg
Mortar?
No it's italian CV33/L3 tankette
This model was used during the spanish civil war (1936-39) by the Italina expeditionary force.
They could start a musuem
Hm, I wonder if not most those tanks actually were museum stuff, and were
put out as "targets" for the US attack aircraft? Like the Serbs did with old stuff
when NATO bombed them.
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942mlrs.jpg
What is this? Yeah it´s a MLRS on a D-30 of course , but hm, someone
know more specifically what kind of MLRS?
Way off if you are talking about the Russian D-30. This has NOTHING to do with that D-30. Perhaps a modified 105 gun. Anyway, it seems that most of this stuff was in a museum. Pity.
ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
04-13-2004, 02:34 PM
Looks like an autowrecker just with military vehicles :D
Magpie
04-13-2004, 07:35 PM
The Chuchills have the main gun removed (British 75mm) what you see is actually the armoured sleeve for the Besa machinegun. Now the M10's are actualy M36's they are armed with 90mm guns as opposed to the 3" gun of the M10 and the Sherman with the 'Panzer III' turret is a derivative of the M36
MaDuce
04-13-2004, 07:44 PM
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/12472/3942Resize_of_L35.jpg
Iraqi taxi??
haze99
04-13-2004, 07:45 PM
Actually, that one vehicle is an M-20 and not and M-8! (M-8 has a turret with 37mm gun)
usa320
04-13-2004, 08:34 PM
I see lots of Frankentanks.
After the reduction of the Iraqi tank force in 1991, im guessing they took anything that was useful and glued it on a chasis.
Yard Ape
04-13-2004, 11:00 PM
Actually, that one vehicle is an M-20 and not and M-8! (M-8 has a turret with 37mm gun)Yes. I see now . . .
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/images/usa/m20_01.jpg
The Tank Destroyer Command requested a vehicle that would be a command car, personnel and cargo carrier, and a AA multiple MG mount. The design took the turret off the M8 and had an open vehicle with a centrally mounted .50 cal MG for AA protection.
Truthsayer
04-14-2004, 12:41 AM
I see lots of Frankentanks.
After the reduction of the Iraqi tank force in 1991, im guessing they took anything that was useful and glued it on a chasis.
Actuallty, lookin at the link posted in the thread, I don't think most of them moved many meters on their own. Museum-material. Might have worked as dummys too...
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Resize_of_Resize_of_2004_0201_154309AA_JPG_stuff.jpg
That's not a Brazilian EE-11 at all. The Engesa EE-11 Urutu (wheeled APC) looks like a turretless EE-9 Cascavel.
That is OT - 64 SKOT http://www.specops.superhost.pl/SKOT/skot%20main%20title.jpg
Rammy
08-29-2005, 09:01 AM
RSk, you into scaled model kits too ?
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942Resize_of_Resize_of_2004_0201_154309AA_JPG_stuff.jpg
That's not a Brazilian EE-11 at all. The Engesa EE-11 Urutu (wheeled APC) looks like a turretless EE-9 Cascavel.
That is OT - 64 SKOT http://www.specops.superhost.pl/SKOT/skot%20main%20title.jpg
Isn't it SKOT 2AP? 2AP is version with turret. That is Polish-Czechoslovakian vehicle.
MARINO
08-29-2005, 09:38 AM
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/12472/3942Resize_of_L35.jpg
Mortar?
No it's italian CV33/L3 tankette
This model was used during the spanish civil war (1936-39) by the Italina expeditionary force.
And Spanish legion ;)
TuNeRsHaRk
08-29-2005, 09:57 AM
wow, so they used some of these for dummy targets,museums and institutions am i correct?
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/39422004_0201_152049AA.JPG
BTR-50(OT-62???) with ET-90 turret[/quote]
i think that the ET-90 is standing beside the BTR-50 (= because if you look in side the open door off the BTR you still see part off the original interior :)
garoco
08-30-2005, 06:46 AM
I'd LOVE to have that CV33 in the collection of the Australian War Memorial!
Roldwin
08-30-2005, 10:39 AM
More tank wreckage pic's from Diwaniyah
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v713/Roldwin/CEMENTERIODEELEFANTES.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v713/Roldwin/CHATARRA.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v713/Roldwin/HOLA.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v713/Roldwin/SOBRANLASPALABRAS.jpg
It was hard to take the last picture, aiming with a camera attached to the HK G-36 sight
Bryson C
08-30-2005, 09:09 PM
Wow, those are some very interesting pics.
b.scheller
08-30-2005, 10:16 PM
http://www.armorama.com/modules/photopost/data/500/3942MIG_Hauler.jpg
No wonder, they couldn't invade Kuwait properly, when you have these driving around, well, you can't really bomb anyone, can you?
rofl
I imagine it will all go under the torch instead of a museum or collectors. Shame.
Bluezoo
09-02-2005, 11:24 AM
Excellent pictures! woot
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