Army Combat School tests German soldier system

[Luno]

Interesting article from the Swedish army I love the pimped out G36 :hug:



The German soldier system, Infanterist der Zukunft, was shown at the Army Combat School Kvarn, Borensberg before transportation back to Germany.
The MARKUS study have tested the German soldier system Infanterist der Zukunft (IdZ) during 8 weeks this autumn. The trialperiod began in Hammelburg in Germany with an introduction to the soldiersystem for officers from the MARKUS study. The equipment were then transported to Sweden where trials were carried out at Amfibieregemente 1 (Amf 1) in Berga, Stockholm, with soldiers from the amphibius regiment.
Major Arne Lamberth initiated the trials with the German soldiersystem and the trials were carried out by testleader Major Magnus Hallberg. The goal of the trials are to messure if and how the capacities of the individual soldiers as well as the group change if a complete soldiersystem is used.
The results of the trials will be compared to previous trials done by the MARKUS study in 2002-2006. The final report of the IdZ trials will be completed in early 2007 and will also be presented to Germany.

http://www.mss.mil.se/index.php?c=news&id=34657




And here are the photos :)
http://www.mss.mil.se/images/local/dsc02083.jpg

http://www.mss.mil.se/images/local/dsc02093.jpg

http://www.mss.mil.se/images/local/dsc02096.jpg

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http://www.mss.mil.se/images/local/dsc02154.jpg

[Morboute]

they seem to have left their clips at home in some pictures p-)



But it looks awsome anyway. mmmmmm pimped out G36, were did i put the hand lotion...

[Macs.]

Buy buy buy !

IdZ-Gear in Congo Bongo:

http://www.youtube.com/v/OWL26FZezkQ

[51010]

Wow, really great pics, love that MG4......

[souljahP]

Wow, really great pics, love that MG4......

I hate it....MG3 Gunner for life.....

[dacanadianbomb]

I take it the MG4 is used in a SAW role ?

Call me a schwein, but I find the Flecktarn camo pattern absolutely hideous.Not that it was designed for liking :-)

I also see a Tactailor FB pouch in OD I think

[JoaMei]

I take it the MG4 is used in a SAW role ?

Call me a schwein, but I find the Flecktarn camo pattern absolutely hideous.Not that it was designed for liking :-)

I also see a Tactailor FB pouch in OD I think

No, it was designed to annoy canadians. p-)

[venom]

+1 on TT. looks like a smokeg. pouch

[VanLeeuwen]

I take it the MG4 is used in a SAW role ?

Call me a schwein, but I find the Flecktarn camo pattern absolutely hideous.Not that it was designed for liking :-)

I also see a Tactailor FB pouch in OD I think

Dutch army is also going to use flecktarn in the future, is what I heard, it's really effective! it has been around since WW2 for a reason :D
And the Dutch and German army work really close together, it's great :)
NL/GE Corpse FTW :P

[apm]

good pictures at the top, but who´s who there?! are those guys wearing swedish camo but flecktarn vests now swedes or germans?

[variable]

They're Swedes testing IdZ. The vests are part of the IdZ equipment.

[seventy6er]

Wow, that's great news. Hopefully the Swedes will provide us with helpful information about what they liked/disliked about IdZ. Would be great if other nations would choose IdZ. Would make further developments of the system easier.

[zulu261]

Wow, that's great news. Hopefully the Swedes will provide us with helpful information about what they liked/disliked about IdZ. Would be great if other nations would choose IdZ. Would make further developments of the system easier.

Definetly and the US will get pissed because theire future program is still under developement.

[ooo]

Ahaha CoRe, that´s hillarious! You know that the equipment of IDZ is on a level the US-forces gear reached a long time ago?! Not to mention that there are major failures in the design of the equipment. Why do the Brits/Marines/Aussies/Canadiens use the small but pretty good PRR and the Germans have to carry a radio that takes the upper part of the backside of the vest? Heavy and large, that´s all.

And well, when did the US-forces got the M249? Early eighties? We get the MG4 right now, so what? Didn´t want to desillusionate you, but had to!

[Icarus1]

IdZ looks promising. Saw it on the "Armeetage" and taht really could be something. Time to improve the infantry!

[MPNFL]

to quote borat: I LIKE!!

[silveykyle]

yeah nice pictures

[nickless]

I have to aggree with ooo - the IdZ definitely is an improvement over the old load-carrying equipment, but it's not revolutionary in any way. There is nothing there yet that justifies the word "future" in IdZ.

Also, the procurement officials have a tendency to botch things that used to be good ideas, like that crappy optical sight on the MG4.
Another example ist the strange 20mm-webbing on the load bearing vest - it makes it incomptible with PALS/MOLLE, the de-facto NATO standard, so one can only use the issued pouches. This way, the system becomes a dead end - whate made MOLLE so successful is the wide array of available pouches and platforms from different manufacturers and I just don't see that happening. Hell, there aren't even any machinegun ammo pouches availabe that I know of.

[Luno]

Some more photos :)

Can any one identify where the soldier on the far left is from

http://www.mss.mil.se/images/local/dsc02123.jpg


http://www.mss.mil.se/images/local/dsc02113.jpg

http://www.mss.mil.se/images/local/dsc02132.jpg




here are the Swedish made system

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/7753/marc1sr3.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4517/mar2ha2.jpg

[variable]

The flag looks Austrian. Maybe they have a new camo scheme? Away from the one-colored clothes?

[Navor]

They are Norwegians

[Thunder]

Good pics, though I wouldn't like to be the guy carrying the G36 with all the heavy attachments. :)

Dutch army is also going to use flecktarn in the future, is what I heard, it's really effective! it has been around since WW2 for a reason :D
I doubt it, the army already trialed Flecktarn in the 80's/90's, but went for the NL DPM instead.

[seventy6er]

more info on the system IdZ (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15920)

[dacanadianbomb]

Austria also has a new modular mounting system on their new KAZ, and it unfortunately also is not MOLLE/PALS compliant.

[axfax]

Yes - norwegian.
Austria has an olive green/unicolor desert BDU, shaped like the old french one.

[zulu261]

I have to aggree with ooo - the IdZ definitely is an improvement over the old load-carrying equipment, but it's not revolutionary in any way. There is nothing there yet that justifies the word "future" in IdZ.

Also, the procurement officials have a tendency to botch things that used to be good ideas, like that crappy optical sight on the MG4.
Another example ist the strange 20mm-webbing on the load bearing vest - it makes it incomptible with PALS/MOLLE, the de-facto NATO standard, so one can only use the issued pouches. This way, the system becomes a dead end - whate made MOLLE so successful is the wide array of available pouches and platforms from different manufacturers and I just don't see that happening. Hell, there aren't even any machinegun ammo pouches availabe that I know of.


Revolutionary? Shooting around corners and the whole ****load of Landwarrior stuff which doesnt function properly?

As far as I know US forces havent got GPS systems for every infrantry men and headsets for everybody within the group. Sure theyve got all of that equipment but you can watch plenty of videos and except the webbing + gun most of the guys carry nothing.

[axfax]

Revolutionary? Shooting around corners and the whole ****load of Landwarrior stuff which doesnt function properly?

As far as I know US forces havent got GPS systems for every infrantry men and headsets for everybody within the group. Sure theyve got all of that equipment but you can watch plenty of videos and except the webbing + gun most of the guys carry nothing.


I`m with you! No one needs all that fancy stuff out in the field! Learn the young men how to shoot fast and deadly, train them physically in intensive work-out sessions and intense marches and make their mind hard enough for combat!

[nickless]

Revolutionary? Shooting around corners and the whole ****load of Landwarrior stuff which doesnt function properly?

As far as I know US forces havent got GPS systems for every infrantry men and headsets for everybody within the group. Sure theyve got all of that equipment but you can watch plenty of videos and except the webbing + gun most of the guys carry nothing.

To get every squad member a working radio with headset, you just need to buy some PMR-type radios, as most deploying units do anyway. That solution would be a lot more functional, cheaper and weighs less.

GPS for every soldier in the squad - what for? I'm not sure what's planned for IdZ, but does every single soldier in the squad need to have that bulky and heavy PDA/GPS system?

I'm totally with you guys on the "train basics first" part. It's just that the way the system is marketed as the "first working future soldier system" is complete bull**** in my eyes - because there is nothng revolutionary about it.
It's just stuff that should be standard issue for Infantry anyway, with some additional crap that's not working properly while being heavy and overly complicated.

[Ratamacue]

Revolutionary? Shooting around corners and the whole ****load of Landwarrior stuff which doesnt function properly?

As far as I know US forces havent got GPS systems for every infrantry men and headsets for everybody within the group. Sure theyve got all of that equipment but you can watch plenty of videos and except the webbing + gun most of the guys carry nothing.The latest incarnations of Land Warrior that are in testing don't really have any problems with not functioning. There's even an Army battalion training and evaluating with it for possible deployment to Iraq next year. Battery power is still the major obstacle, as it always has been, so the unit that's been equipped with it is a Stryker battalion where logistics won't be so much an issue.

But is there really a need for your basic 18-19 year old grunt to carry a GPS and have a radio? It's just more crap for them to get trained on and distracted by. Even with Land Warrior, they're likely only going to issue the more advanced equipment to fireteam/squad leaders and above that can be relied upon to be able to train with the equipment and utilize it on top of the skills they already know.

[Thor]

http://www.forsvarsutbildarna.se/befal/befalinnehall/arkiv/nr3juni-2005/teknik/8798.html?view=0

About MARKUS in swedish. I'll try to translate later when there's time.

http://www.mss.mil.se/images/local/affisch_tumnagel_170dpi.jpg

[Praet]

To get every squad member a working radio with headset, you just need to buy some PMR-type radios, as most deploying units do anyway. That solution would be a lot more functional, cheaper and weighs less.
If it was just for giving them a simple headset, you were right.
Problem is, it's not like that. The comms subset allows to not only transmit voice, but also be used for data transfer from and to the individual soldier. Plus it allows for a higher maximum transmit power to allow for both higher ranges even in obstructed terrain and higher jamming resistance. Plus it offers better capabilities for secured transmissions as well as frequency/waveform agility.


GPS for every soldier in the squad - what for? I'm not sure what's planned for IdZ, but does every single soldier in the squad need to have that bulky and heavy PDA/GPS system?
GPS and PDA are NOT welded together. In fact, the average load of candy bars carried by the individual soldier is bulkier and weighs more than the GPS subset - which, combined with the comms subset, allows for transmitting position data for use with a C² system.
The PDA itself is used just for displaying and entering data such as maps, images, thumbsketches, various types of reports, as well as offering basic tools such as navigational aids, range calculations etc.