Palestinian terrorists plan to use AIDS in a terror attack

[S'13]

AIDS-infected terror attempts stain Pessah
By MARGOT DUDKEVITCH

The Shin Bet and security forces succeeded in thwarting a number of suicide bomb attacks that were to have taken place inside Israel as well as others that were to have been launched against IDF forces and Israeli communities in Judea and Samaria.

Security officials believe that terror organizations led by the Hamas will attempt to perpetrate attacks as Independence Day approaches in retaliation for the killing of spiritual leader Ahmed Yassin.

Over the past weeks, over 10 perpetrators were arrested, and 5 major attacks have been prevented, including 3 suicide attacks. In one case, a Balata woman was forced to carry out a suicide attack after being discovered cheating on her husband. Tahanni Khalil, 25 was arrested on March 18, and told investigators she intended to explode in Tel Aviv, thus cleansing her name.

In another triple attack, terrorists were to attack a major city disguised as soldiers. And in another – a bomb was to be tainted with AIDS-infected blood that would infect all those not killed.

While there has been a noticeable decrease in violence, officials in the Shin Bet described the current situation as one of "imaginary calm." Officials noted that while the ongoing closure imposed on Judea, Samaria and the Gaza Strip assisted in hampering constant attempts by terrorists to launch attacks, the intensive operations conducted by the IDF, Shin Bet and other security forces in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip to arrest fugitives has succeeded in thwarting numerous attempts.

Details of some of the operations included the arrest of Rami Hafez Abdullah,24, a resident of a village in the Kalkilya area who revealed that the Fatah Tanzim infrastructure in Nablus had planned to launch a suicide attack in Israel with a bomb tainted with Aids-infected blood.

The same infrastructure also planned to abduct an Israeli resident of one of the communities in Samaria and also launch a bomb attack on the Kalkilya Nablus road by placing explosives inside a dead donkey that would be placed at the roadside.

The arrests of a number of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip on April 5 thwarted plans by the Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Fatah Tanzim to launch a triple suicide bomb attack in Israel. Said Tsalah, 19 who was arrested by security forces at a Gush Katif roadblock revealed that plans were underway to smuggle three suicide bombers posing as Israeli soldiers through a tunnel from the Palestinian-controlled part of Rafah into Egypt, where they were to infiltrate into Israel from the Sinai.

Another arrest on the same day of two Islamic Jihad fugitives at the Rafah crossing revealed plans to launch a suicide bomb attack in Beersheba or Tel Aviv by dispatching the bombers in a similar fashion.

The arrests of other fugitives by security forces in the West Bank revealed that Islamic Jihad and Fatah Tanzim cells based in the Balata refugee camp in Nablus planned to launch a number of suicide bomb attacks also inside Israel and an attempted infiltration into the community of Emmanuel in Samaria using an explosive-laden bus.

Officials noted that the same Tanzim cell, based in the Balata camp, and other cells in Nablus were responsible for numerous attempts including the dispatching of the female suicide bomber who was arrested on March 18.

A joint suicide attack targeting an Israeli restaurant was thwarted thanks to IDF Shin-bet cooperation that led to the arrest of Matkal Shohanna, 20 from Kalkilya, who was to serve as the suicide team's dispatcher.

Officials also noted that between March 28 and April 11, security forces arrested ten fugitives and three suicide bombers, including Tamer Hawira, 16, that were dispatched by the Nablus infrastructure, the same terror network that dispatched the two Palestinian minors last month, arming them with bombs that were to have been detonated near troops deployed at the Hawara roadblock outside the city.

On Monday morning, soldiers began combing a building near the A-Najakh University in Nablus for fugitives believed to be hiding there. After surrounding the building, the army called upon inhabitants to evacuate it and then began to search the building.

Overnight Monday, security forces arrested 17 Palestinians in the West Bank: 2 were arrested in El Arub north of Hebron, 2 in Al Aida north of Bethlehem, 2 in Silwad east of Ramallah, 4 in A-Labed east of Tulkarm, 3in En Bet Ilma north of Nablus and 4 in Mizra A Sharkiya north-west of Ramallah.

Israeli troops exchanged fire Tuesday with Palestinian gunmen holed up in a five-story apartment building in the West Bank city of Nablus, witnesses told Associated Press. Smoke rose from the building as troops surrounded it, and some reports said soldiers also fired tank shells.

And in the Gaza Strip, Israeli troops demolished a three-story building near the Jewish settlement of Netzarim early Tuesday, witnesses said. The army had taken over the building about three years ago, at the start of fighting, but families had continued to live in the first two floors. According to the report, late Monday, the Palestinian residents were evacuated and Israeli bulldozers toppled the building.

source: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1081748016646

[Truthsayer]

In another triple attack, terrorists were to attack a major city disguised as soldiers. And in another – a bomb was to be tainted with AIDS-infected blood that would infect all those not killed.


:cantbeli:


According to medical data the HIV-virus is only alive some 5-6 seconds outside the human body, and it has to come directly into an open wound that isn't bleeding to transmit the HIV-virus. (I'm not counting ****** transmitting, since, well...)

The only way would therefor to send HIV-infected suicide-bombers, not just bombs tainted with the blood...



Btw, you forgot the link to the source.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

a bomb was to be tainted with AIDS-infected blood that would infect all those not killed.
I dunno S13 I don't think this one would work considering the temperature of the detonating explosives, although if the bomber was infected it is possible that enough blood and tissue could be dispersed that could carry blood borne pathogens. I think it would take a large amount of blood and since security is tight in Israel I think that such a load would be noticeable. Probably the media at work again. :)

[Ichhabe]

And in another – a bomb was to be tainted with AIDS-infected blood that would infect all those not killed.


Well, if the heat from the detonation does not raise above, let's say +40 Celsius. But is that possible? :D

[S'13]

According to medical data the HIV-virus is only alive some 5-6 seconds outside the human body

So how do you explain the fact that people get the virus through blood transfusions or by the sharing of needles between drug users? The virus can survive as long as it's in some sort of bodily fluid.

And even if it wasn't going to work, don't you think that the fact that they were planning to do this sickening enough?

:bash: :cantbeli:

[Truthsayer]

According to medical data the HIV-virus is only alive some 5-6 seconds outside the human body

So how do you explain the fact that people get the virus through blood transfusions or by the sharing of needles between drug users? The virus can survive as long as it's in some sort of bodily fluid.

And even if it wasn't going to work, don't you think that the fact that they were planning to do this sickening enough?

:bash: :cantbeli:

Bloodtransfusion isn't done with open jars, stooopid.


I dunno how you do it in israel, but we have the blood in sealed plastic bags.


Incase you didn't know - oxygen is a posiones gas.


The whole story, even if it was only a small paragraph in the long article, sounds like an myth anyway.

And even if it's not: don't worrie - you won't get infected.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

So how do you explain the fact that people get the virus through blood transfusions or by the sharing of needles between drug users?
Usually because its tranmitted under ideal conditions, smack users cook up the herion and then inject usually within a minute of each other so the virus has not been exposed to unfavourable conditions long enough. I think Hep C and A would be a better blood borne pathogen for this task as it could be implanted in shrapnel and survive the detonation Hep is real scary as well.



And even if it wasn't going to work, don't you think that the fact that they were planning to do this sickening enough?
Yep its pretty sick and it seems like a story spread to inspire FUD.

[S'13]

Bloodtransfusion isn't done with open jars


I dunno how you do it in israel, but we have the blood in sealed plastic bags.

You wrote and I quote:
"According to medical data the HIV-virus is only alive some 5-6 seconds outside the human body"

Looks like how blood transfusions are done in Israel isn't the only thing you don't know...

Next time please phrase your sentence mor precisely.

BTW didn't it go through your mind that the terrorist were planning to use these same plastic bags in order to transport the infected blood?


The whole story, even if it was only a small paragraph in the long article, sounds like an myth anyway.

And even if it's not: don't worrie - you won't get infected.

I'm so happy I have your confirmation that it's not true and an expert such as youself has approved that I won't get infected :roll:

[Javehn]

Yes , i hear about this . It's the thought that counts , but as i read , the structure of virus will disintagrate after a blast , in a denaturation of virus polimer to monumers . Don't know if that's based or not .
By the way , that was one of 10 attempts of suicide , that Israeli Shin bet security stoped during the hollidas of Passover .
The plan was known to Shin Bet security after an arrest of young Palestinian Rami Abdallah , from Qalquilia , that was a part of the "suicide team" .

[scoone]

So how do you explain the fact that people get the virus through blood transfusions or by the sharing of needles between drug users?
Usually because its tranmitted under ideal conditions, smack users cook up the herion and then inject usually within a minute of each other so the virus has not been exposed to unfavourable conditions long enough. I think Hep C and A would be a better blood borne pathogen for this task as it could be implanted in shrapnel and survive the detonation Hep is real scary as well.



And even if it wasn't going to work, don't you think that the fact that they were planning to do this sickening enough?
Yep its pretty sick and it seems like a story spread to inspire FUD.

that's absolutely right, it's easier to become infected by the HCV than with AIDS, most infected are usually infected by HCV and also in many cases they don't have any symptoms. "Transfusion-associated cases occurred prior to blood donor screening; now occurs in less than one per million transfused unit of blood."
Surivivng a detonation is quite strange if not impossible.For me one of the worst virus in the Biological warfare is the smallpox.A sample is Kept only in 3 labs' in the world.

[S'13]

Usually because its tranmitted under ideal conditions, smack users cook up the herion and then inject usually within a minute of each other so the virus has not been exposed to unfavourable conditions long enough.

For a nail with infected blood on it shouldn't take long to enter the body after an explosion, don't you agree?




I think Hep C and A would be a better blood borne pathogen for this task as it could be implanted in shrapnel and survive the detonation Hep is real scary as well.

It allredy happend, in a suicied attack in Natania the sucied bomber was infected with hepatitis and pieces of his bone were found in some of the wounded, however they were treated for the disease and didn't get sick.
Anyway experts in Israel for AIDS say it's a small risk getting infected via explosion but still posible.

[scoone]

If anyone is interested: Researcher in Kyoto University Japan and in other laboratories have created ‘SHIVs’, hybrids between the human and monkey AIDS virus containing human interleukin genes that suppress immune response against viruses, in order to investigate the role of the interleukins in AIDs disease

"Kosyrev, Miura T, Haga T, Kuwata T and Hayami M. Construction of SIV/HIV-1 chimeric virus having the IL-5 gene and determination of their ability to replicate and produce IL-5. Arch Virol 2001, 146,1051-62."

[scoone]

So how do you explain the fact that people get the virus through blood transfusions or by the sharing of needles between drug users?
Usually because its tranmitted under ideal conditions, smack users cook up the herion and then inject usually within a minute of each other so the virus has not been exposed to unfavourable conditions long enough. I think Hep C and A would be a better blood borne pathogen for this task as it could be implanted in shrapnel and survive the detonation Hep is real scary as well.



And even if it wasn't going to work, don't you think that the fact that they were planning to do this sickening enough?
Yep its pretty sick and it seems like a story spread to inspire FUD.

that's absolutely right, it's easier to become infected by the HCV than with AIDS, most infected are usually infected by HCV and also in many cases they don't have any symptoms. "Transfusion-associated cases occurred prior to blood donor screening; now occurs in less than one per million transfused unit of blood."
Surivivng a detonation is quite strange if not impossible.For me one of the worst virus in the Biological warfare is the smallpox.A sample is Kept only in 3 labs' in the world.
Double post , please delete this one :oops: :oops:

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

It allredy happend, in a suicied attack in Natania the sucied bomber was infected with hepatitis and pieces of his bone were found in some of the wounded, however they were treated for the disease and didn't get sick.
They should consider themselves lucky its easy to get and harder to get rid of if not treated in time, I think most paramedics, police and docters are inoculated against Hep in the UK?

[citizen-k]

In another triple attack, terrorists were to attack a major city disguised as soldiers. And in another – a bomb was to be tainted with AIDS-infected blood that would infect all those not killed.


:cantbeli:


According to medical data the HIV-virus is only alive some 5-6 seconds outside the human body, and it has to come directly into an open wound that isn't bleeding to transmit the HIV-virus. (I'm not counting ****** transmitting, since, well...)

The only way would therefor to send HIV-infected suicide-bombers, not just bombs tainted with the blood...



Btw, you forgot the link to the source.

Palestinians allreday sent sick suicide bombers (icterus etc) in order to infect victims... its not new. (the use of HIV is new, but useless cause catching icterus is much more likely)

I don't have a link (only hebrew if you want) but I promise you he is not making it up - these were the headlines of all the newspapers today.

It's surprising how "defensive" you are, even when something so sick is brought up against your Pals. (working or not - its still twisted and sick to plan it)

[scoone]

It allredy happend, in a suicied attack in Natania the sucied bomber was infected with hepatitis and pieces of his bone were found in some of the wounded, however they were treated for the disease and didn't get sick.
They should consider themselves lucky its easy to get and harder to get rid of if not treated in time, I think most paramedics, police and docters are inoculated against Hep in the UK?

Very lucky indeed. Long time ago a very good friend of mine ( who works in a virology lab in the University ) was about to trash some needles used in research on HCV when one of the needles passed trough 2 latex gloves reaching her finger.She was very scared so tested herself and fortunately she was negative on infection but I can still remember her face of panic until she got the results.Very creepy. I was on my first PhD year and after that day I bought myself a pair of special gloves to avoid this situation.
The CDC says that Healthcare/public safety workers should use a test only after known exposure.And btw I think that there is no vaccine to prevent hepatitis C.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I bought myself a pair of special gloves to avoid this situation.
Yeah scoone the nitrile gloves are good they are pretty tough.

[duck]

Those responsible for this plan deserve no jail term-just a short painless needlestick injection. Then they can walk free.

[Ichhabe]

Those responsible for this plan deserve no jail term-just a short painless needlestick injection. Then they can walk free.

Yeah, give them the ammuntion.

[ExtraT]

BTW, for the information of all the local "Pal" lovers - what's being described here is called "Biological warfare". You can draw your own conclusions, if you still have a shred of conscience and decency left.

Also, this practice is not new at all. A lot of suicide bombers get infected with Hepatitis B/C or AIDS before they go out on a mission.

BTW, what kind of a twisted or drugged up character would come op with an excuse like "oh, it will never work. So it's nothing" ? Don't you know that attemped criminal act is counted as crime?

Or, maybe since it's directed against Jews, it's not a crime at all??

[Ichhabe]

ExtraT said:


BTW, for the information of all the local "Pal" lovers - what's being described here is called "Biological warfare". You can draw your own conclusions, if you still have a shred of conscience and decency left.


What are you implying here? Specially this: if you still have a shred of conscience and decency left,


Also, this practice is not new at all. A lot of suicide bombers get infected with Hepatitis B/C or AIDS before they go out on a mission.

So this you know first hand?


BTW, what kind of a twisted or drugged up character would come op with an excuse like "oh, it will never work. So it's nothing"

It is something that is called "common sense". What was said originally, was that they wanted to make a bomb with blood conteminated with HIV or AIDS.
I know, from personal experience, that when you detonate TNT or Dynamite or whatever explosives it generates heat.
That heat as an interesting side effect. That side effect is called: very hot.
That is why we questioned it, and if it at all could be effective for other reasons than create extra fear.


Or, maybe since it's directed against Jews, it's not a crime at all??

Of course it is a crime, daaaaaah!

[usa320]

This one is fiction.

[ExtraT]

Don't worry, Ichhabe, I wasn't talking about you.

As for wether it works or not - I don't really care. Their Kassams haven't killed anybody (yet) also, does it mean they are irrelevant?

ABout infecting the SBs - it's a commonly known fact. There are ton's of sources saying this.

[ExtraT]

This one is fiction.
And you know it from?...

[tacticalmanta]

suicide bombers with AIDS is fiction?

Um, no it's fact.. there have already been suicide bombers with hepa**** and other diseases.. the bombs have a layer of nuts, bolts, or nails to ensure infection transmission.

Actually, there has already been one suicide bomber with HIV several months ago.. this is kind of old news.

[Ichhabe]

This one is fiction.

I will burn in hell for this joke, but I take my chances. Excuse me Javehn and IDFM203: I just have to say it cause it is burning at the tip of my toungue. :D


It is not fiction,...it is zionce fiction. ;)

[tacticalmanta]

If you had a zion, you would not make such silly statements.

http://www.aegis.com/news/re/2002/RE020762.html

[Javehn]

Unlike Arab media , that usualy has very "formidable" information (like o say 67 : "We driving the Jews into the middetaranian sea those minutes" , 82 " Syrian aircraft planes have massivly retaliated against unprovocked attack from Israel , and shoot down a great number of Zionist planes " , the great victory over Israel in 73 , or the sci-fi story of Jenin massicre) , Israeli media has it's standarts , and perhaps even if the story is blown out of proportions , it's still happened (and i saw the story allready in 6 different news sources ) .


There were also some tries to poison Israeli main water conductor , in the 60's . The first action of Fatah , if i wasn't mistaken , was to poison Israeli main water conductor , but they failed .

[tacticalmanta]

heck, I quoted ******* and they are intensely anti-semetic, but even they had to report on this biological warfare.

[usa320]

The AIDs virus dies within seconds of being exposed to air.

The chances of anyone getting infected would be slim to none.

And why use AIDs when there would be other things they could use that would be more potent.

[tacticalmanta]

1. The AIDS virus would not die when transferred at the speed of bolt from a suicide bomber to a victim.

2. They have a large population of people with AIDS, and/or HEP B and C willing to die for Allah. It's a resource.

3. It is less overt than other forms of biological terrorism

[ExtraT]

The AIDs virus dies within seconds of being exposed to air.

The chances of anyone getting infected would be slim to none.

And why use AIDs when there would be other things they could use that would be more potent.

Are you stupid or something? Who the f*ck cares that it's "ineffective"!!!

All we care is that they are ready to use any means to kill as many Jews as possible! It means that if they were to get their hands on sarin or, say, anthrax they wouldn't hesitate for a second to use it.

Why are you posting these excuses for their actions? Are you completely f*cken retarded?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Also, this practice is not new at all. A lot of suicide bombers get infected with Hepatitis B/C or AIDS before they go out on a mission.
This is the first I have heard of this type of act in this ongoing conflict.


BTW, what kind of a twisted or drugged up character would come op with an excuse like "oh, it will never work.
Me:)If your talking about AIDS infected blood with a explosive device, I think Warfarin or a contact anticoagulant would be better its fairly easy to get your hands on.

Don't you know that attemped criminal act is counted as crime?
Yes.


Or, maybe since it's directed against Jews, it's not a crime at all??
Your taking this a little to far though to be fair there are a few in this forum that think that way, and they are not all from Europe. ;)

[S'13]

There were also some tries to poison Israeli main water conductor , in the 60's . The first action of Fatah , if i wasn't mistaken , was to poison Israeli main water conductor , but they failed.

A mor recent example for an attempted mega attack is the terror attack in Ashdod which was aimed at destroying tanks filled with hazardous material...

Palestinian terrorists have also been using rat poison for a long time in their suicied attacks, I wonder if the Europeans here know exactly why...

[Javehn]

The AIDs virus dies within seconds of being exposed to air.

The chances of anyone getting infected would be slim to none.

And why use AIDs when there would be other things they could use that would be more potent.

Our bodies aren't exactly world wide known on the wast ammount of Phd's from their community ;) And terrorists ussually aren't the brightest minds on the planet .

[tacticalmanta]

If they did this in London, there would be an international outcry. Since it is Israel, the world turns its head as usual.

[scoone]

There were also some tries to poison Israeli main water conductor , in the 60's . The first action of Fatah , if i wasn't mistaken , was to poison Israeli main water conductor , but they failed.

A mor recent example for an attempted mega attack is the terror attack in Ashdod which was aimed at destroying tanks filled with hazardous material...

Palestinian terrorists have also been using rat poison for a long time in their suicied attacks, I wonder if the Europeans here know exactly why...

Rat poison? , no , I don't know why.And btw, I don't find any reason to fear a suicide with Hepatitis B/C or AIDS in his/her blood.I'll be more afraid of the explosion.
To get contagiated with AIDS or HCV in that way if quite difficult.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Palestinian terrorists have also been using rat poison for a long time in their suicied attacks, I wonder if the Europeans here know exactly why...
Its easy to obtain. Does this European get a prize.

[UkrainianAmerican]

BTW you people do realise that this definitively fallls into the category of Bio-terrorism.

[S'13]

There were also some tries to poison Israeli main water conductor , in the 60's . The first action of Fatah , if i wasn't mistaken , was to poison Israeli main water conductor , but they failed.

A mor recent example for an attempted mega attack is the terror attack in Ashdod which was aimed at destroying tanks filled with hazardous material...

Palestinian terrorists have also been using rat poison for a long time in their suicied attacks, I wonder if the Europeans here know exactly why...

Rat poison? , no , I don't know why.

The poison is an anti-coagulant that causes survivors to bleed uncontrollably from their wounds.

[Ichhabe]

If they did this in London, there would be an international outcry. Since it is Israel, the world turns its head as usual.

You are so not right. Whenever there is a suicide attack in Israel, it is announced first on the News, ALWAYS. Even if we found our King with bleeding hemmoroids uncounciouss in the back streets of Oslo.

So don't come around here with such stupid remarks.

[tacticalmanta]

yes.. and then it is followed by 1 hour of commentary why Israel "had it coming". Or a comment about "both sides" or how many people the IDF shot over the past 10 years in order to "balance" the situation.

[scoone]

There were also some tries to poison Israeli main water conductor , in the 60's . The first action of Fatah , if i wasn't mistaken , was to poison Israeli main water conductor , but they failed.

A mor recent example for an attempted mega attack is the terror attack in Ashdod which was aimed at destroying tanks filled with hazardous material...

Palestinian terrorists have also been using rat poison for a long time in their suicied attacks, I wonder if the Europeans here know exactly why...

Rat poison? , no , I don't know why.
The poison is an anti-coagulant that causes survivors to bleeduncontrollably from their wounds..

I didn't know it. But I tihink that the emergency services can provide the victims with anti-inhibitor coagulant complex.

[Ichhabe]

yes.. and then it is followed by 1 hour of commentary why Israel "had it coming". Or a comment about "both sides" or how many people the IDF shot over the past 10 years in order to "balance" the situation.

Bollocks.

[Javehn]

If they did this in London, there would be an international outcry. Since it is Israel, the world turns its head as usual.

I wouldn't say that , it's indeed the first thing in the news . Israel do recieve inormouse ammount of attention to it's size . But the problem is , like you said , the explanation "why we had it comming" , the attempts to enter inside the minds and hearts of the bomber terrorists , and the root of hate , that's apparantly originated from Israeli side . And , a casualties from Palestinian side are presented in the better way , to accuse Israel (trust me , this one i know PERSONAL ) .


bollocks

Why bollocks ? We don't have cables , and we don't recieve CNN , BBC , Fox-News , Sky-News , Al Jazeera , those French channels with hiddios accents ?

[UkrainianAmerican]

yes.. and then it is followed by 1 hour of commentary why Israel "had it coming". Or a comment about "both sides" or how many people the IDF shot over the past 10 years in order to "balance" the situation.

Bollocks.
No, not Bollocks.
"Pro-zionist propaganda CNN" does it every time. I am sure the Eouropean "neutral" networks do it as well.
After Yassins assasination, I remember CNNS "political analysts" complain how it wasnt nice that Israelis wasted an invalid.....bla bla bla bla bla.

[Ichhabe]

If they did this in London, there would be an international outcry. Since it is Israel, the world turns its head as usual.

But the problem is , like you said , the explanation "why we had it comming" , the attempts to enter inside the mids and hearts of the bomber terrorists , and the root of hate , that's apparantly originated from Israeli side .

I can assure you Javehn, that when the news in Norway reports from a suicide bombing in Jerusalem, or Tel Aviv: They wount in that report explain "that you had it comming."
And if you don't belive me; Then call the Israeli ambassadour to Norway and ask him.
If that is true after all that the news reports says that you had it comming, while you stand there in your greef and sorrow: I personally will walk to Jerusalem myself and give my appologies. Amen!

[Javehn]

Allright . I don't talk about Norway news then . ;) They are fine by me , if you say so :D .
But have you ever saw BBC ? I was one time particulary enraged , when after another suicide bombing they had a weekly program "Hard Talk " , and which i watch from time to time . In the program "Hard Talk" they talked about the Israeli actions , and how they are causing the violence that comming from Palestinian side . They had an interview with Saeb Arekat , that basicly talled them the regular load , it's Jewish fault from the beggining , the opressing , how the Palestinian just want peace . And the program was aired like 5 minutes after a bus explosion in Jerusalem , i bellieve (By the way , irony , that Jerusalem translates as "the city of peace" ) .

I don't want to even start with CNN .

[ExtraT]

You are so not right. Whenever there is a suicide attack in Israel, it is announced first on the News, ALWAYS.


yeah, really. Now tell me, how many times did BBC use the term "terrorists" in connections with these attacks? Every time it's either "gunmen" or "militants"!

How many times BBC interviewed Rantissi and Yassin?

You remember the story about a retarded boy who's "Shaheed belt" didn't work? In the coverage, BBC's correspondent was very upset that she "couldn't get the boy's side of the story".

In one of the recent attacks, BBC showed an interview with a mother of an Israeli teenager that was injured. I distinctly heard her say (in Hebrew) that the boy's Uncle got killed in a terrorist act a couple of years back. BBC's translator skipped that part, and put in some crap about "The boy is strong, he'll be OK" instead.

These are just a couple of examples I witnessed myself. There are tons more.

[Javehn]

BBC's translator skipped that part, and put in some crap about "The boy is strong, he'll be OK" instead.


It's not the translator , it's the editorial . But i saw the bigest crap on CNN . Specialy when some guy from a debate show in CNN arrived to Israel .
Ok , found it , i allready wrote this one time on the forum (To Nielsen , offcorse, who else :roll: ) :

Let's start talking about the PR and media war . It's all different , and opposite type of war to conventional. While in conventional war , the one with tanks , the planes , bigger number of soldier wins . In media war , the little kid bits the hell of trained soldier , and a tank looses to a stone . There is no army in the world , that was considered so much how it will look on media , and restrained itself in so massive way , until redicoul (3 hours anounce before attack on targets , planes circuiling over the targets - to warning and allow everybody escape ) - IDF wanted to throw from him the Goliath vs. David image , but without success . Palestinians very much love that image , and they tried numerous times by many means stop the video of Soldier linch in Rammalah (like sewing all the Italian crew that filmed that moment , and then warning that they can't air the video , and so on ) .

After watching foreign network station , it's obvios that somehow the world view of them , and Israeli press is very different . There are 2 options . Or the media publicly lies to Israeli nation , or the foreign networks are pretty much twisting the information . After feeling that on my experience , i can very much say , that the blame falls on foreign networks , that only look out for media scoopes , and twisting peaces of information , that it lookes like everything , except the truth .

The wrong interpritation of soldier deads is also taking places . Civilians , and cameraman are always somehow shure , that all the deads soldiers doing , consirn directly to those civilians , and done by soldiers to make them suffer . This way , simple military drill that soldier doing , becomes to this civilian / cameraman as a personal threat on him . Example : Italian (again them) TV crue infiltrated the city of Beith Lehem during the operation "Defence Wall" . They pooled up on 3 roadside charges , that was placed by Pal. fighters again IDF APC's , and cought up in the middle of firefight between IDF and Pal. fighter . The TV crue was so shure that - a) Road side charges - Israeli tank fired on them in purpose to kill the TV crue . b) The firefight-IDF soldiers shoted at them , trying to kill again the TV , sence they didn't secceded before . They formed they opinions very quickly on the matter, one of them published book on that matter , and later it became a Italian movie "Borned in Beith Lehem" .

Now , about PA media . As someone that had the look to watch perversive pile of crap that they produced (i bellieve some clips from it possible to see in this forum , in "Real Terrorism" thread) , i can tell that it's perhaps the most biased , most idiotic , most uninformative piss of Media in the world . It's also make one wonder, do we have real partners to peace , while they National TV and Media look like that ? The propaganda level on the National PA TV was in so high levels , that they actually integrated Propaganda pisses in the news , making every action of IDF on territories look like another massacre of thousand inoccent Palestinians , killed by Shaytan himself in the form of evil devil IDF soldiers . It didn't took much to convince people , that it was actually footages of IDF in action .

Ad now about foreign press . One of the things , that made our position looked so f*** up , is unwillingness of Israeli figures to debate on foreign press , or to participate on it , while Palestinian figures do it regulary . CNN - on 12/10 P.M Barak was on CNN . In the bottom of the creen were so typical subtitles , superficial , the fact theat they haven't understand half of what Barak said - in the bottom was written : Barak said that Palestinians are the initiators of violence in the West bank . 'Barak opposes an international inquiry by the UN' . But the message was instant , and cachy , making people to form immidiate view . When Saib Arikat was interviewed later , again his words take so simpliffied meaning , making the whole conflict sounds like scattering between 2 boys in the naighbourhood . The CNN didn't wanted to bring some order in the info , and didn't asked for CIA advisors that visited in Israel that time , because it would bring some order in chaos . They didn't wanted to .

On 11/10/00 Ted Copel maded his "Nightline" show in Jerusalem . It was debate between dr. Hanan Ashrawi , Saib Arikat , and Azmi Bshara from one side , and from another side Ehud Olmert , Efraim Sne , and Naomi Hazan . This program became so f*** up entirely , and had very strong pro-Palestinian side during all of the show . Why ? Copel wanted to air the show on West Jerusalem , and the jews crowd was affraid to get there (Yes , that's right . What , never heard that Palestinians intimidating Israelies ? Can it be you don't know half of the **** ? Can it be , Nielsen ?? ) . The crowd that did got there - Palestinian and Jewish Pro -Palestinian crowd (i don't remember hearing of any strong Arab pro Israeli side those days . No , no , don't remember . Do you remember , Nielsen ? ) . Copel was criticized over and over again , he was asked to do the show East Jerusalem , where both Palestinians and Jews were welcome (Yes , what a surprize , Nielsen . Palestinians don't afraid to come on Jewish side . Interesting , ha ? ) . But he turned down the proposition over and over again . He aired the show there . The Israeli side recieved a strong "Boo" , while Palestinian side with a smile explaining the bruthality of Israelies , the IDF . During the show , 2 girls stoud up from the crowd , Israeli Pro-Arab , and Palestinian girl . Jewish girl asked : - "Mr. Efraim Sne , how the hell in the world can you explain the death of innoccent Palestinian child on Nezarim ?? How ?? " . They failed to ask , or critisize the smilling Palies side. The Pali side smiled again , from ear to ear , and began to spread the propaganda **** - "The boy was cought by Israeli troops , entering the Nezarim . They cought him , cough his hands , blindfalled him , shoot him couple times in the head after . " , and so on and so on , Zionists are satan , IDF are satan .
Israeli side was so embarrased - no home court , no home audience (Israeli audience is preaching to it's own politics !! At list preach something to other "Angel side" !! ) . They were so embarrased , that they started to mamble some regrets , sorries , the boys wasn't suppose to get there , and we sorry that he did , and so on ...
Everybody were pleased in audience . Pali side infront of cameras were pleased . Ted Copel were mighty pleased . Next day , suicide kill ...

CNN went to families of wictoms , and the suicide terrorist (that was a girl ) family , to interview they feallings . Apparantly they liked so much the suicide girl family , that they aired only the interview of suicide bomber family , while the head of the family gloriffying stories of her deeds , and telling the atroccities done by IDF .

After linch in Rammalah , Palestinian side tried to stop in every way possible the airing of the video tape . Israeli side helped them with that . Government decided , that perhaps it can help the PA side of Israel , but to show the type is just to much disrespectfull to the soldiers , and they families . Apparantly PA didn't had that stopings . Good for them ..

[Truthsayer]

I wasn't protecting my friends the "pal" [sic!] - I was questening the article - or more precisly, the subjectline of the topic.

The article had this info in an small paragraph of one sentence - and it was a kinda long article. Yet the topic is of this 'fact' only and this thread seem dedicated to it. If it was such a main issue that the 'terrorist on purpose infect themselfs before going on suicidemission' there would be a longer article and some facts consearning it, no?

Now it sounded like an 'I heard it from a friend/I remember hearing something about it' by the journalist. It might and it might not be accurate.


'Anywho'...the usage of HIV-blood on the bomb would be futile. Even infected blood _in_ the suicidebomber would most likely be an futile attempt. You know that there isn't as of yet an documentet case of anyone being infected from kissing an HIV-infected person?

The days of the 80is when holding hands was enough to be infected is long gone. If they really wanted to do some damage, they could choose much better things. Choosing HIV would be an PR-stunt only.

Btw, since ******* is anti-semite [sic!], wich news-companies are ok to use? Jerusalem Post and FOXNews? Any other?

[tacticalmanta]

Your point is lost because kissing is not a blood barrier. It would take gallons of saliva to infect a person. However, a blood coated bolt is more than enough to infect someone with AIDS. It's not futile, it genius and it works.

[ExtraT]

For all the people who are interested in media bias:

http://www.honestreporting.com/

Read and learn.

[Truthsayer]

For all the people who are interested in media bias:

http://www.honestreporting.com/

Read and learn.



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You where saying?

[Ichhabe]

Javehn said:


I was one time particulary enraged , when after another suicide bombing they had a weekly program "Hard talks " , and which i watch from time to time . In the program "Hard Talk" they talked about the Israeli actions , and how they are causing the violence that comming from Palestinian side .

I can fully understand that you got angry for that.
We also have such programs in Norway were they debate the the ongoing conflict in Israel and the occupied territories.

In those programs, both sides get to have their say. Usually I don't watch them, because specially the Palestinian spokesman, hardly ever can keep himslef "on topic". (Heeeey! Like in here!!!)
So it almost always end up in accusations being thrown all over the place.

But on the Norwegian Broadcast Corporation(NRK), in the news and documentary programs, there are corespondents that have been in the ME-area for 30 years or more. ANd what they say, is normally balanced and worthy being seened.

By the way; Yesterday on NRK there was a French documentary about an Israeli colony and a Palestinan camp on the other side of a road crossing.
The documentary was about about what happened there and how an Israeli soldier and Palestine man was killed in that incident.
Both parents and friends to those two men were interviewed and all got to have their saying.
The documentary was called(translated from Norwegian to English) "A road cross on the Gaza-strip"
A very interesting documentary I must say.

[Truthsayer]

Your point is lost because kissing is not a blood barrier. It would take gallons of saliva to infect a person. However, a blood coated bolt is more than enough to infect someone with AIDS. It's not futile, it genius and it works.

Then you don't mind posting the facts and links to attacks that did this.

[big_les]

ExtraT, the reason people are saying this is 'unlikely' 'ineffective' and so on is not because they disrespect the victims of real terrorism, but because like many people with the common sense they were born with, they can see that this is simply scare-mongering and almost certainly not a real tactic that has ever been used. It's warfare alright, but not biological. Its psychological, and given your panicked aggressive response, it seems to be working. Chill out, for the sake of your blood pressure.

[Truthsayer]

ExtraT, the reason people are saying this is 'unlikely' 'ineffective' and so on is not because they disrespect the victims of real terrorism, but because like many people with the common sense they were born with, they can see that this is simply scare-mongering and almost certainly not a real tactic that has ever been used. It's warfare alright, but not biological. Its psychological, and given your panicked aggressive response, it seems to be working. Chill out, for the sake of your blood pressure.

Exactly - a PR-trick at it's best.

That DOESN'T MEAN I SUPPORT TERRORIST-ATTACKS!


jebus..

[usa320]

TACTICAL MANTA:


The AIDs virus dies within seconds of being exposed to air.


Getting hit witha shred of metal coated with AIDs infected blood wouldnt infect the victim, because as soon as the virus leaves the body and is introduced to the air, it dies. It wouldnt even be possible to coat the fragmentation with the virus without it dying.

[tacticalmanta]

I posted a link. I didnt' say it was successful but you really are ignorant concerning AIDS if you don't know how it is transmitted. That is pretty sad for the 21st century.


If I dipped a needle in AIDS and stuck it in you, you have a good chance of getting AIDS. Now a lot more blood can be coated on a bullet and having it embedded in your body is certain to be more effective than a needle stick.

MORON

[tacticalmanta]

TACTICAL MANTA:


The AIDs virus dies within seconds of being exposed to air.


Getting hit witha shred of metal coated with AIDs infected blood wouldnt infect the victim, because as soon as the virus leaves the body and is introduced to the air, it dies. It wouldnt even be possible to coat the fragmentation with the virus without it dying.

No the AIDS virus does NOT instanteously die when exposed to air. It just cannot survive for long outside a host. The split second it takes for a bolt to embed itself in a person is not enough time.

[usa320]

no, you moron, you miss the point. Aids infected blood in a syringe is alot different than Some guy taking AIDs infected blood and trying to coat bomb frag with it in his makeshift lab in his garage in Gaza.

The second the **** is exposed to the air, it dies.

So even if they did do it, when the bomb blows, the stuff will either die from the air, or from the imense heat of the blast.

[usa320]

No the AIDS virus does NOT instanteously die when exposed to air

It dies within seconds of being exposed to the air.

Which means from the time it is pulled from the body to the time it is fired or blown into another, a matter of hours or days, the virus has died.

[tacticalmanta]

What are you smoking?????

The suicide bomber has AIDS.. the Bolt passes through his body and into another person in less than a second!!!!

[big_les]

This reminds me of that classic urban myth about the guy who's shot in the ********, the round striking a woman's womb behind him, making her pregnant.

:roll:

I say again, all that was said was that it was unlikely that;

a) This would even be attempted.
b) That it would have any more than a tiny likelihood of success.

It has all the hallmarks of an urban myth, which are the psychological weapons of society; wartime is no different.

[tacticalmanta]

McFly..hello, Mcfly

Did you read the link? It was already tried.. several times. It sucessfully transfered Hepatitis. AIDS could absolutely be transferred this way.

[ExtraT]

USA230, what about all these scandals about people getting infected from transfusions? Blood for transfusions is usually stored for months outside a host, in a plastic bag.

Cant you imagine somebody taking a normal transfusion bag full of infected blood, putting it on a bomb that is laid with bolts, ball bearings and such?

Also, it's all a statistical function. There are lots of AIDS infeciton cases where it's incinclusive how the infeciton occured. Couldn't you for a second imagine that a controlled lab experiment is one thing, and a real life situation is another.

And, again, I don't give the f*ck. And no, it's not a PR-stunt. It';s a genuine attempt to cause more death and suffering.

[Backis]

And how does the virus survive the overpressure and heat from the explosion?

Delivery of biological agents is just not this easy...

[big_les]

McFly..hello, Mcfly

Did you read the link? It was already tried.. several times. It sucessfully transfered Hepatitis. AIDS could absolutely be transferred this way.

:) Kudos for the Back to the Future quote...

You mean this link I take it?

http://www.aegis.com/news/re/2002/RE020762.html

It's already getting a little hard to find on the multiple pages so I repost it here.

My jury is now out on the issue...need to find someone with a biology degree.... :)

[S'13]

It has all the hallmarks of an urban myth, which are the psychological weapons of society; wartime is no different.

Urban myth? Usually urban myths are not the headlines of the newspapers here, as citizen k has already mentioned...

[Truthsayer]

USA230, what about all these scandals about people getting infected from transfusions? Blood for transfusions is usually stored for months outside a host, in a plastic bag.

Cant you imagine somebody taking a normal transfusion bag full of infected blood, putting it on a bomb that is laid with bolts, ball bearings and such?


You Do realise that closed plastic containers aren't over jars, right?

Time to go back to biology-class perhaps?


The bomb is not gonna work like you describe.

[tacticalmanta]

Well part of my degree included biology and biochem on the graduate level. Heat and pressure generally do not affect viruses.. since it's been established the Hep-B was already transmitted this way, the comments are a little pointless.

Do people not seem to understand AIDS infect blood is coarsing through the bomber's viens!!!!!?

[Truthsayer]

Do you even know the difference between HIV and AIDS? :]

[tacticalmanta]

Do you even know the difference between HIV and AIDS? :]

That's a loaded question since several scientists, including one of my microbiology professors, assert there is no difference.

AIDS is the syndrome caused by the HIV virus. Not everyone infected with HIV has (shows) AIDS (according to those who wish to separate). Yet, AIDS is caused by the Human Immunodeficeny Virus (HIV).

However, for this discussion it is moot because it's the transmission of the virus which is being discussed.

[Truthsayer]

Then please refere to the virus with it's proper short'name' of HIV, not the syndrome, to avoid any confusion and hopefully no-one else will pick up any wrong info.

Heat and pressure DO effect viruses. I would rather propose that some bacterias are in the long run the more resiliant once between the two, but that is an other argument. ;)

However, since I would like to define the chance of being infected with HIV from an infected HIV-sucidebomber (not one carrying bombs coated with blood...) to less then 1 out 100 within the blastarea, the 'threat' isn't the virus, it's the bomb. The virus, if any, is PR. It's enforcing fear in it's enemys, even if they would never use it. (Assuming the info is fully accurate and not propaganda from a newspaper with an agenda.)

[tacticalmanta]

******* has an anti Israeli agenda so that last comment was vacuous.

Second HEP-B was transmitted in this manner, so it's reasonable to expect that HIV could have similar results.

Thirdly, since they have AIDS/ HIV infected people volunteering for said mission, it's worth noting.

It is bioterrorism. Plain and simple.

This has the same tone as Shoah deniers.

[LtHearn]

I agree with the PR stunt comment. I don't see there being any reasonable chance of this tactic having wide success, given the hot blast and what not. But, as far as being a statement of intentions and will, it sure packs a wallop.

I'm surprised no one's mentioned though the idiocy of infecting your neighbors with a life-threatening and contagious disease. Leave it up to those retards to dream that one up... :slap:

[IDFM203]

If they did this in London, there would be an international outcry. Since it is Israel, the world turns its head as usual.Indeed…..anywhere else but Israel this would be a huge international story or for sure a much bigger story with a large international outcry.

Listen yes it gets reported but it is not on a scale that if it happened in other places and when it is reported it is almost immediately followed up with what tacticalmanta said.


yes.. and then it is followed by 1 hour of commentary why Israel "had it coming". Or a comment about "both sides" or how many people the IDF shot over the past 10 years in order to "balance" the situation.



Bollocks. Bollocks.

Now that we both canceled each others Bollocks ;) , what tacticalmanta said stands!!



This one is fiction.

I will burn in hell for this joke, but I take my chances. Excuse me Javehn and IDFM203: I just have to say it cause it is burning at the tip of my toungue. :D


It is not fiction,...it is zionce fiction. ;)hehe ;) I am cool with that one.

Now I don’t think its fiction but your phrase isn’t that bad.

Believe me there is a lot worse with the term Zionist that people make up stories with and all sorts of lies and that is a problem.


I mean when it is so far out there and ridicules and not taken seriously then I am not that outraged, I mean check out my location to see that ;)

Shalom :D

[obd]

An AIDS infected bomb? Now thats got to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard.........but maybe useful as a terror tool even though its highly unlikely it would ever even work........

[Javehn]

BTW : To those who think how our brothers catch strange *** deseases . There is pretty famous tape in Israel , most of Israelies that served in last couple of years know what i am talking about . The tape was filmed in one of Israeli survailance cameras . It's catching Syrian soldier . And a donkey . Doing the nasty mc'nasty ;) . I been in the place where it was videotaped , and saw it , unfortunatly . :| :| :| :| :| :|
It appears that Sweden is not alone ;) .

[LtHearn]

:lol:

Classic.