Opening doors.....

[HELEX]

When Shotguns are used to open doors, what kind of ammo is used? Buckshot, Slugs any kind of explosive round?

[CX20]

On our unit we use Hatton rounds in our breaching shotguns (cut down Remington 870's). It's a simple solid slug round, which is very effective at not only destroying locks but also disabling vehicle wheels. On each team, one man will be designated the "Hatton Man". His job is just to do all Method Of Entry functions and he will carry just a shotgun loaded with Hatton rounds and a pistol. If we do a hard stop operation on offenders in vehicles, the Hatton Man will stand near one of the vehicle's wheels, and if the vehicle moves at all he will put a Hatton round straight through the wheel.

Simple and very effective!

[spectre5]

Masterkey all the way! :D

[tacticalmanta]

Slug.. sometimes 00.

Incidentally, the famed deset eagle .50 was designed as a door breaching weapon for spaces too tight to carry a shotgun.

[Flagg]

On our unit we use Hatton rounds in our breaching shotguns (cut down Remington 870's). It's a simple solid slug round, which is very effective at not only destroying locks but also disabling vehicle wheels. On each team, one man will be designated the "Hatton Man". His job is just to do all Method Of Entry functions and he will carry just a shotgun loaded with Hatton rounds and a pistol. If we do a hard stop operation on offenders in vehicles, the Hatton Man will stand near one of the vehicle's wheels, and if the vehicle moves at all he will put a Hatton round straight through the wheel.

Simple and very effective!

Thanks for that first hand info CX20

On a side note....would the "Hatton Man" as you call him, also carry less than lethal rounds(like bean bags for example)?

Or would another team member typically respond in a less than lethal force situation(due to unload/reload lag time in doing so)?

Thanks

[ibstolidude]

Water impulse. :D

[Beowulf]

Water impulse. :D

word!
"p" for plenty

[ibstolidude]

Water impulse. :D

word!
"p" for plenty
Get some beeeeeotches!

hahahaha I said beotch hahahahahaha

[Beowulf]

Water impulse. :D

word!
"p" for plenty
Get some beeeeeotches!

hahahaha I said beotch hahahahahaha

haha holy shyte dude...been drinking or what?

[Breacher]

Slants, Ovals and Ghostbuster's are incredibly effective. The power of water is also incredible....[/code]

[martinexsquaddie]

i always thought the eagle was designed to appeal to american shooters who wanted the most powerful handgun in the world.
next your be saying the .545 cascull was used for stopping cars by the SAS as someone who owned one told me once never shot it a ruger redhawk in .44 put me off big bore SA revovlers.
a mark 7 antitank mine with the fuse replaced with a blob of PE should open the door nicely or at least make a mousehole though as its a 35lb shaped charge might have to dig the bad guys out of the wreckage.
who said the uk can't do overkill :backhand:

[Zentrum Jagdkampf]

We use slugs or a special cartrige in which 10 balls are connected with a small chain.I don´t know the name for it.

[Erik_MAA]

We use the Def-Tec breaching round, I believe it's like the Hatton. It's a rather fine shot - almost like powder - loaded into the shell. It's very effective at opening doors but it's supposed to be unlikely to kill someone except at very close range.

A more realistic problem for us than doors is barricades. We use Haligan tools for tearing these down.

When I was working for the PD we used slugs, effective but dangerous at close range.

[Johnnyringo]

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We us the PRCE-3.... Fat guy with a boot.

[CX20]

On our unit we use Hatton rounds in our breaching shotguns (cut down Remington 870's). It's a simple solid slug round, which is very effective at not only destroying locks but also disabling vehicle wheels. On each team, one man will be designated the "Hatton Man". His job is just to do all Method Of Entry functions and he will carry just a shotgun loaded with Hatton rounds and a pistol. If we do a hard stop operation on offenders in vehicles, the Hatton Man will stand near one of the vehicle's wheels, and if the vehicle moves at all he will put a Hatton round straight through the wheel.

Simple and very effective!

Thanks for that first hand info CX20

On a side note....would the "Hatton Man" as you call him, also carry less than lethal rounds(like bean bags for example)?

Or would another team member typically respond in a less than lethal force situation(due to unload/reload lag time in doing so)?

Thanks

No, the Hatton Man is strictly limited to MOE work only. The only rounds he carries are breaching Hatton ones. It is also an SOP never to use the Hatton on a human where possible. On our team the MOE man carries a pistol for self defence, and a Hatton shotgun for breaching. He also wears a special frame backpack containing some bolt croppers, a sledgehammer and a hooligan pry bar.

With the advent of less lethal baton guns, that has forced us to restructure our team setup. One officer is now the designated baton gun man, who carries a pistol and a HK baton gun. We don;t use beanbag rounds in the UK, we went for our own special plastic baton round instead. :cantbeli: Every officer has their own personal ASP baton and CS spray anyway, but one officer carries a baton gun. We recently ended an armed siege by using the baton gun on an offender. He had some nasty bruises and had the wind knocked out of him, but he was otherwise ok.

[Brozozo]

When Shotguns are used to open doors, what kind of ammo is used? Buckshot, Slugs any kind of explosive round?

I don't know where you come from, but I use a f*cking doorknob to open doors! :lol:

[shrek]

In Afgh we used a 12ga slug made out of compressed magnesium (I think this is what the Hatton round is). It looked like a flat faced slug and, of course, went back to it's dust state once fired through a solid object. When I questioned the Ranger who was carrying it he said "yeah, but the doors not always locked, and I'm still the first one in, so guess what's in the chamber?" He said he was looking forward to the day when he could find out what it would do to a Tango.



P.S. Brozozo's avatar just gave me a chubby again!!!

[Brozozo]

P.S. Brozozo's avatar just gave me a chubby again!!!

Thanks for sharing :roll:

[SABER 2-3]

Un-securing a door w/ a shotgun is not only fun its also safer. The round that we use and the round that is the most common in the community, it is a 3", 12ga. filled w/ dental plaster and sharded metal. Not only does it unlock doors it kills bad guys dead as fuc*. This is a nice change from being the "most likely guy to die w/o firing a shot".

[Flagg]

In Afgh we used a 12ga slug made out of compressed magnesium (I think this is what the Hatton round is). It looked like a flat faced slug and, of course, went back to it's dust state once fired through a solid object.

Shreck.....is eye protection essential when using this type of round?

Does any of the disintegrated round remain airborne and present an eye hazard?

[shrek]

All the guys on the Ranger entry teams used some sort of eye protection most of the time, it wasn't always possible though. Didn't get to see when one in action so I don't know about blow back but I would definitely think that in the wrong situation it could be hazard!

[SABER 2-3]

Eye protection is a must for all tactical operations, certainly during any dynamic operation. There are bits and peices of all sorts when you employ propellents to anything.