Wearing 4 tourniquets?

[BronzeBow]

I was at a meeting and was told about the practice of preemptively putting un-tightened tourniquets on all four limbs prior to going on ops. (No, the meeting wasn't in Milan.) Have any of you seen or done this?

[Hydro]

Nope, but I've heard of Israelis inserting IV catheters before going on ops.

[jason82]

Nope, but I've heard of Israelis inserting IV catheters before going on ops.

nope, not done.

Think about it, i wouldn't trust an iv catherer that's been sitting in my arm for 3+ hours to function properly. Besides, it only takes a few seconds for a good medic to fix one up.

[Sabre]

I think someone was taking the p!ss mate.

Carrying a couple on you is good drills, also ensure you can access them easily with either hand. The new CATs are easy to mount on rigs or yokes for easy access.

[Hydro]

Fair do's, just commenting on what I've heard.

[lt tahoe]

What, they don't recommend 5? What if you're shot in the head?

[Zorro C9]

Amputation.

[Pete031]

I had one strapped around my leg and held on by my cargo pocket flap, but that was because it was easy access and in plain view if it was needed. Unless my leg was blown clean off I guess.

[BronzeBow]

I think someone was taking the p!ss mate.


Pardon my ignorance; you’ll have to interpret.

[Beowulf]

I suppose you could.....but they would be annoying, get in the way and slide down. Maybe....maybe if you were getting ready to do something high risk/short term like cqb stuff, but even then they could get caught on stuff.

It only takes a second to slap on a tourniqet, if someone was that paranoid to wear four, I probably wouldn't want them on my team.

I always have one in my IFAK, and I keep another in a pouch behind my chest rig, next to my notebook.

You can stop a lot of bleeding with curlex and bandages, without having to us a tourniqet anyway.

[bluffcove]

Ive hard of people going into battle on stretchers.

[Hydro]

Ive hard of people going into battle on stretchers.



Look I was tired, OK?

[Silent 6]

nope, not done.

Think about it, i wouldn't trust an iv catherer that's been sitting in my arm for 3+ hours to function properly. Besides, it only takes a few seconds for a good medic to fix one up.

Even in a hospital environment a catheter can get clogged in a matter of a few moments. Having recently assisted my father with his 6 weeks of IV antibiotics for MRSA there's no way you'd want to have one inside you in a combat zone that you weren't using at that very moment. The dang things get blocked up way to easy!


Now, for the tourniquets, have you seen any photos on this site that show any troops wearing them w/ their 1st, 2nd or 3rd line gear?

I haven't!

[Kaplanr]

Nope, but I've heard of Israelis inserting IV catheters before going on ops.

Never saw that. Jason82 is right on about it. What we did do sometimes, but only in bivouack when it was really hot (50+ celsius)and there were only a handful of us, was walk around with Ringer's solution as portable AC. We stayed hydrated without having to always do canteen drills.

None of us though would have gone out on even guard duty with a prepped IV in us.

[Hydro]

Never saw that. Jason82 is right on about it. What we did do sometimes, but only in bivouack when it was really hot (50+ celsius)and there were only a handful of us, was walk around with Ringer's solution as portable AC.


That sort of thing described could be where the wires got crossed, thanks.

[BronzeBow]

It didn't seem practical to me either, but that’s what we were told at a military trauma meeting at the Mayo Clinic. (It wasn’t a light-hearted meeting.)

[ibstolidude]

I used to go around already on a stretcher, and make guys carry me around everywhere.....

[Beowulf]

I used to go around already on a stretcher, and make guys carry me around everywhere.....

yeah, but why did you take all your clothes off?

I never got that.

[Beowulf]

@ stoli I just use my busted ruck sack straps as tourniqets.....

hydrate or die!

[ibstolidude]

@ stoli I just use my busted ruck sack straps as tourniqets.....
hydrate or die!

Hey, you made great time.....until then.
Then again, atleast blood didn't soak through your jungles.

[StukaJr]

Moors used to do that in the Phillipines when making their suicide attacks on the US troops - suicide attacks, mind you. Did I mention, suicide attacks? Wrapping their extremities up to cut off the blood flow and send all the blood to the head/torso, would make them perform various feats like being able to continue their attack while soaking up multiple 30-06 rounds or running up the bayonet one was stabbed with and still have the ability to kill the sentry...

Sick stuff,really... That's about the only instance that I know is accurate.

[Sabre]

Pardon my ignorance; you’ll have to interpret.

"Taking the p!ss" - British phrase meaning 'Making a joke at another's expense', eg: "You're taking the p!ss mate!". See also 'Taking the mick', 'Extracting the urine' and 'Extracting the Michael'.

[Beer Monster]

Moors used to do that in the Phillipines when making their suicide attacks on the US troops - suicide attacks, mind you. Did I mention, suicide attacks? Wrapping their extremities up to cut off the blood flow and send all the blood to the head/torso, would make them perform various feats like being able to continue their attack while soaking up multiple 30-06 rounds or running up the bayonet one was stabbed with and still have the ability to kill the sentry...

Sick stuff,really... That's about the only instance that I know is accurate.

??? Surely if they did this then their arms and legs would go dead and they wouldn't be able to move let alone do anything else!?!

........ or were you taking the piss* and I fell for it? Damn :oops:

*
"Taking the p!ss" - British phrase meaning 'Making a joke at another's expense', eg: "You're taking the p!ss mate!". See also 'Taking the mick', 'Extracting the urine' and 'Extracting the Michael'.

[California Joe]

The Moros, unlike the Moors, were always hopped up on goofballs anyway.

[Laconian]

The Moros, unlike the Moors, were always hopped up on goofballs anyway.

Moros, Moors...Listen, was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

[Beowulf]

Moros, Moors...Listen, was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

heh well played.

I think I had your poster on the wall in my dorm room.

[StukaJr]

??? Surely if they did this then their arms and legs would go dead and they wouldn't be able to move let alone do anything else!?!

........ or were you taking the piss* and I fell for it? Damn :oops:

*

No, I wasn't :)

Just think elastic bandage like wrap - enough to get some blood through but partially restrict the major arteries... They had more of an elevated blood pressure and flow of blood to the brain - reverse viagra effect :) This is to prevent the fainting and to assure that there is enough blood to still pump through the vital organs for those needed seconds.

Also, they weren't really doing much - sneak up on the sentry and charge him in bunches in hopes that one of them will make it through... It's sick enough when a human being sets himself on a suicide mission, it's even sicker when the same human alters his body to survive seconds longer on that suicide mission...

[James]

I used to go around already on a stretcher, and make guys carry me around everywhere.....

Now I'm thinking of how to make a stretcher out of kevlar and mount a SAW to it.

[bluffcove]

A sedan chair surely!

[UDTWOLF]

Info from a DOC..... I have seen but not have done because I always have pre-made tourniquets ready to go and it's not necessary to tie them on your body but if you are using simple ones such as cravats then they are easily tied around your body, head etc. to keep sweat out and are easily accesible to grab. Otherwise keep them in your cargo pockets along with pressure dressings is usually what I do. As for IV's that would be down right stupid to go into a situation with one in your arm, being the fact for infection possibility and the fact that it could be yanked from your arm which would not be good. However, if your dehydrated their is nothing wrong with getting one before hand, I'd hook you up within 60 seconds and it's as easy as that. IV's are not some super drug though that is going to help you in battle though, drink water!

[jason82]

Never saw that. Jason82 is right on about it. What we did do sometimes, but only in bivouack when it was really hot (50+ celsius)and there were only a handful of us, was walk around with Ringer's solution as portable AC. We stayed hydrated without having to always do canteen drills.

None of us though would have gone out on even guard duty with a prepped IV in us.


Sweet memories...

[Kilo Golf]

I was at a meeting and was told about the practice of preemptively putting un-tightened tourniquets on all four limbs prior to going on ops. (No, the meeting wasn't in Milan.) Have any of you seen or done this?


I heard about the same thing in a TCCC class. They said that the door kickers pre-positioned them so if they are shot you don't have to worry about wasting valueable time getting his tourniquet out of his pocket and putting it on. BTW these tourniquets are CAT tourniquets.
-GN